Is Jerry Angelo Stirring The Pot?
October 31st, 2013
Longtime NFL scout and personnel executive Greg Gabriel now writes for NationalFootballPost.com, where he has penned a piece that calls for his former boss with the Bears — Jerry Angelo — to replace rockstar general manager Mark Dominik in Tampa.
Hmm, Joe can’t help but wonder whether Gabriel checked in with Angelo to confirm his interest in the Bucs job before lobbying for his guy on a national stage.
Tampa Bay
Greg Schiano’s struggles in Tampa Bay won’t get much sympathy from members of the NFL scouting community. When Schiano was Head Coach at Rutgers, he would often make scouts watch practice from a small area at least 30 yards from the practice field. To make matters worse, a scout was lucky if he got to watch practice for more than about 10 minutes. It made evaluating players very difficult.
Tampa Bay is obviously going to make changes in the coaching staff and front office. Whether or not it’s in the near future or after the season remains to be seen. In my opinion, the best person to get Tampa Bay on track is living just a few miles from the Buccaneers offices. Former Bears’ General Manager Jerry Angelo lives in the Tampa area. Having worked for the Bucs before he went to Chicago, Angelo knows the Tampa Bay ownership and fan base, which gives him an advantage over any other candidate. Angelo has experience in a similar type situation. When he came to Chicago, the Bears were horrible. He’s had experience dealing with a group of overpaid, underachieving players. Most importantly, he has experience running a team and winning without a franchise type quarterback. The Bears won two division titles and got to a Super Bowl with Rex Grossman as the quarterback. There will be other candidates, and we will cover them in a later post, but Angelo is absolutely the right person to turn that situation around.
Angelo surely had huge ups and downs as Chicago’s general manager, but his teams collectively had a winning record. He hired a head coach, Lovie Smith, and he got to a Super Bowl. Angelo was the Bucs’ pro personnel director from the later 1980s before taking the GM gig in Chicago in 2001.
Joe’s not calling for Dominik’s head or endorsing Angelo. But this story is an eyebrow-raiser for Joe, given that it comes from a guy who worked for Angelo for many years.
October 31st, 2013 at 1:27 pm
We could do a hell of a lot worse than Angelo. I wouldn’t be disappointed if the Glazers decided to hire him as GM. Not a rock star, but someone who knows how to WIN in this league. Something the current organization is sorely lacking.
October 31st, 2013 at 1:31 pm
Polian would be another good, experienced choice who knows a thing or two about winning in the NFL.
October 31st, 2013 at 1:34 pm
2nd round pick for Gaines Adams anyone?
October 31st, 2013 at 1:35 pm
The Bucs owe this guy big time for taking Ganes Adams off their hands and Brian Price among others.
The Glazers better hire him or they may wake up with a decapitated horse head in their beds.
Long live the Little General!!!
(JCP)
October 31st, 2013 at 2:03 pm
Whats worse? us who drafted gaines adams or this loser who then took him of our hands knowing he stunk for a second round pick? We never strive to think big with these hires and that is why we will always be second fiddle to the other teams in the NFC.
October 31st, 2013 at 2:04 pm
Didn’t Dom fleece Angelo several times? Also, how many years did Angelo spend in Chicago and why were they never able to find any good receivers or offensive linemen in that time? Pass.
October 31st, 2013 at 2:04 pm
@joe no reason for you to state that your not calling for dom’s head. We all know you will never do that!
October 31st, 2013 at 2:17 pm
Interesting, not sure if Angelo is the guy, but it is glad to see that our problems are being looked at in totatlity, and not just blaming the Lil General.
Our problems ove the past 6 years, 24-47 in that time, need to be looked at completely.
It would be easy to pin Schiano, and use him as the sacraficial lamb, but we should not do it that way.
Package deal, GM and HC, no more letting the “Media Star” let us loose. If Schiano is ousted, so should the GM, as he traded up for Freeman, hired Schiano, overpaid O-Lineman, and has been terrible at brining a pass rush to the Bucs.
Reasons for a new GM:
– Lack of pass rush
– Worst O-Line in the NFL, for the money
– Lack of TE
– Lack of overall depth
– stubborness with holding onto BUST draft picks too long
Why was Reejus Benn, Myron Lewis, and Josh Freeman allowed to stay on the Bucs for so long? Oh, because our beloved “Media Star” drafted them in rounds 2,3, and 1.
If the Bucs think just throwing Schiano under the bus will suffice, they are sorely mistaken. Dom and Schiano are a package deal.
I heard one of the Joes mention on Big Dog’s show, “GMs are typically alotted two head coaching hires, and Raheem was not appointed by Dom.”
Ok, Joe, if you are understanding enough to give Dominick another HC choice, after 24-47, then why can’t you give Schiano his own QB? Why was Schiano forced to put up with Gosh Freeman for two years?
Schiano is going to ultimately be fired from his job because he was our 5th choiice, and we had no time to assemble assistants.
What gives? Schiano may suck, but Dom sucks with him and they will suck together on the route to extermination.
I doubt we get our first four choices as HC this time around, should Schiano be fired and Dom remains.
October 31st, 2013 at 2:29 pm
@SteveK
I disagree with the last sentence IF we fire Schiano during the season. If we wait til the end of the season, well we’ve all seen how long the Glazers take to make up there minds on who they want. But doing it now they can take there time to research and look for the right guy.
Sadly, I just dont have the faith they will choose the right guy. It sucks being so loyal but It’s a Bucs life for me til I die.
October 31st, 2013 at 2:34 pm
Lol. I hope he knows what he’s in for. Fans will be calling for his head after one season.
October 31st, 2013 at 2:39 pm
I think the Glazers are making the real GM decisions and Dom is effectively the head assistant. If so, don’t look for any real change(s).
October 31st, 2013 at 2:48 pm
I would love if we hired Polian
There has been speculation about him as well.
With this hire would Lovie seem like a greater possibility?
Mike Lombardi
Eric Decosta
Holmren, maybe?
There are some names out there.
October 31st, 2013 at 2:56 pm
Reason and logic will get you nowhere in the comments, sir.
October 31st, 2013 at 2:58 pm
Ssshhh! That will ruin a perfectly crafted “Dominik sucks” rant. Please avoid reasoned analysis in the comments. It mucks things up.
October 31st, 2013 at 3:01 pm
Angelo is bitter because Dominik had repeatedly stolen draft picks from him in his Chicago days. Gaines Adams for a second-round pick? BUHAHAHAHA.
October 31st, 2013 at 3:02 pm
Most people thought Gaines would be successful prior to being drafted
The latter part of your statement is the one you need to worry about.
He was already proving to be a bust when this guy traded for him.
No good at all.
October 31st, 2013 at 3:20 pm
@ Joe
please keep avoiding the fact that Dom is 24-47. I mean are you on that guys payroll or something lol
October 31st, 2013 at 3:28 pm
Dom didn’t fleece anybody, we traded that same 2nd rounder we got for Gaines Adams to New England who selected Gronkowski, after the Bears(Angelo) used the leverage gained from that trade to bring in none other than Jay Cutler, what’d Dom get out of he 2nd round in 2010? A trade with Oakland to draft Benn? Price? Angelo built a pretty solid and competitive roster in Chi-Town, can we say the same for Mark Dominik? Martin, Barron, and David are recent successes, but Dom’s pension to swing in miss on more than enough of his draft pick is well documented. 2-4th rounders on Luke Stocker? Gone. Wheres Mike Smith? Drake Dunsmore, hell FA has been shaky as well Gabe Carimi? Kevin Ogltree? Dom would probably screw picking his nose
October 31st, 2013 at 3:32 pm
Jerry you lost me at Gaines Adams and Brian Price. Sorry but if your out of work this long there’s a reason. Go ahead and enjoy the warm weather and beaches Jerry.
October 31st, 2013 at 3:38 pm
Joe,
I am not sure if Angelo is the guy for the job, but I know that Dominick has not made us a better team, today, then we were when he was appointed GM.
We had one 10 win season, three years ago, and that season represents 10/24 of Dominick’s victories as GM.
If Dom is to stay, then he better reach his 25th win before he reaches his 50th loss. IMO. 1:2 W-L ration DOES NOT CUT IT.
In conclusion, how can you justify Dominick getting a second head coaching hire, while Schaino can’t even get one swing and miss at a QB?
Please elaborate, and I understand the answer of “typically GMs get two coaching hires”.
What about Schiano? Did Schiano or Dom make us go into the year with Freeman?
Dom traded up to draft Freeman.
The Gaines Adams (RIP) trade should have never happened. We should have used the 7th selection to take Adrian Peterson, Patrick Willis, or Darrelle Revis….
Surely the last two drafts have been “better”, but why don’t we have a competent roster, depth, a TE, a SLB?
October 31st, 2013 at 3:39 pm
Not sure about Angelo. As the article states, he had is ups and downs. If you compare Dominik and Angelo, there’s not much difference in my opinion. Dominik coerced a 2nd round pick for Adams. I guess there’s your tie breaker.
October 31st, 2013 at 3:40 pm
Joe and crew,
If Dominick is retained, how many coaching candidates turn us down?
Was Schiano really the 5th choice?
Do we plan on extending a search for a HC, well into January?
We need to get better, we need to get a new regime…..
October 31st, 2013 at 3:45 pm
Get the QB guru in here as head coach mike holmgren
October 31st, 2013 at 4:05 pm
I’m not saying hire him.
But rather just want to point out this.
Angelo – 95-79 for a win % of .546 win %.
Or
The Teflon Dom – 24-47 for a win % of .338.
There are other talented people out there. There’s talent working under other proven talent. If the Glazers are lucky/smart enough to find THE right guy, then TB might have a shot at true greatness. Right now, mediocrity is being accepted at the top of OBP.
October 31st, 2013 at 4:08 pm
I agree, Ted Thompson has to go, his last four 1st round picks are Bulaga (injured all the time), Derek Sherrod – bust, Nick Perry – just a guy and Datone Jones (1 tackle all year) FIRE TED THOMPSON
Oh wait…wrong website
October 31st, 2013 at 4:17 pm
http://www.chicagonow.com/chicago-bears-huddle/2011/12/jerry-angelo-a-complete-draft-history/
Lovie had a nice win-loss record, but helped by who?
October 31st, 2013 at 5:07 pm
Whoever was responsible for the improved drafting in 2012 and 2013 should be retained, at least in a draft-scouting capacity. Dominik? Someone else? A combination? Only the Glazers know exactly who that was.
There’s no denying, though, that Dominik’s free agency record and early draft record are horrendous. Even Joe can’t spin that.
October 31st, 2013 at 5:10 pm
Actually Dominik blew the second round pick by trading it for Winslow, who is off the team.
Give me a guy who has managed a team to a Super Bowl vs. Mark “losing streak” Dominik.
Not sure if he is the best candidate but his body of work is head and shoulders over what we have now.
A winning record? Unheard of around here. Losing streak? Got it covered.
October 31st, 2013 at 5:34 pm
I’ll say this to preempt Joe from trying to spin Dominik into a special, or even competent, GM, and before he tries to drop recognizable names like Nicks, Jackson, Revis, etc, to give Dominik an aura of respectability: name one player that Dominik signed in free agency who lasted the full length of his contract and who equaled or exceeded the expectations surrounding said player’s signing. VJax may, with an emphasis on may, be the first to fit that description but we can’t say that yet until the length of his original contract is up. Anyone? The silence is deafening, Joe.
I’ll make it easier for you Joe. Do the same thing with any draft pick of Dominik’s. Come on. Let’s see what you’ve got. Mike Williams you say? Bingo. That’s the only one. McCoy may be the next but we’re not quite there yet. Anyone else? Again the silence is deafening.
Face it, Dom’s record is probably the most unimpressive of any GM currently employed in the NFL. His few hits don’t outweigh his many, many, many misses. Try spinning that if you can.
October 31st, 2013 at 5:44 pm
We have been on the winning side of a couple deals with this guy for sure. But he certainly seems to have overseen a pretty great turnaround from that franchise that ended with them being a dominant team for a number of years.
Can’t say the same about Dom. Just sayin….
October 31st, 2013 at 6:11 pm
@CBG says:
“Dom didn’t fleece anybody, we traded that same 2nd rounder we got for Gaines Adams to New England who selected Gronkowski, after the Bears(Angelo) used the leverage gained from that trade to bring in none other than Jay Cutler, what’d Dom get out of he 2nd round in 2010? A trade with Oakland to draft Benn? Price? Angelo built a pretty solid and competitive roster in Chi-Town, can we say the same for Mark Dominik? Martin, Barron, and David are recent successes, but Dom’s pension to swing in miss on more than enough of his draft pick is well documented. 2-4th rounders on Luke Stocker? Gone. Wheres Mike Smith? Drake Dunsmore, hell FA has been shaky as well Gabe Carimi? Kevin Ogltree? [and he is 24-47 compared to Angelo who won titles, and went to the Big Show]”
My response to CBG – “Ssshhh! That will ruin a perfectly crafted ‘Dominik’s a rockstar’ rant. Please avoid ‘second, third, and fourth level analysis’ in the comments. It mucks things up.”
Sorry Joe, I am not a fan of Angelo, but still could not resist. : )
October 31st, 2013 at 7:03 pm
@FLBoyInDallas
Perfect assessment of the pop star aka skid mark.
November 1st, 2013 at 12:28 am
Zero.
Next coaching candidate likely gets to pick his own quarterback in a quarterback-filthy rich draft, and said quarterback already has a couple of weapons. On defense you have solid linebackers, solid players in the secondary and a Pro Bowler in the middle on the defensive line. The cupboard is hardly bare.
This may be the most coveted gig out there, unless a playoff team loses a coach for some reason. Oh, and the lack of Florida state income tax is a factor as well.
November 1st, 2013 at 12:29 am
🙂
November 1st, 2013 at 12:47 am
I’ll take bill polian please is committed to the 4-3 and is a great drafter while being one of the most respected men in the league something this team needs some respectability after this season debacle and all the rumors and everything bring in a proven winner a who built a team to two Super Bowls he makes the most sense give me him and his son let them pick the coach Joel and Bryan no need to get involved your last two proved that!
November 1st, 2013 at 12:51 am
Joe I like dom as well and feel they could easily keep him at gm but I believe they will do like they did with McKay in Atlanta move him to a knew role within the orginazation which I would like great cap guy like his contract designs, his player personal decisions idk about though feel he has been to inconsistent.