From “Self-Inflicted” To “Outplayed”
October 25th, 2013
The theme of Gerald McCoy’s postgame comments in the WDAE-AM 620 audio below are all about how the Bucs took a thorough beating last night to the Stinkin’ Panthers.
In past weeks player commentary was often about the Bucs beating themselves, but it seems McCoy, as well as Greg Schiano in his postgame comments, believe the latest thrashing was more about not being good enough.
This is troubling. The Bucs were bad, but now they’re getting much worse. The Bucs haven’t sniffed a good chance to win a game in their past three.
October 25th, 2013 at 8:12 am
At the beginning of the season the bucs were in some games. They beat themselves against the jets. The rest of their losses were from being out coached. The time has come and for the love of God I’m begging the Glazers to pull this plug. This season is lost and I can’t stand Schiano standing up there with his empty pressers. What I find funny was immediately at the beginning of last nights game they had Revis in man to man but after a while reverted back to the crap they’ve been doing with him in zone. We still have 2 more very very good defenses to go against in Seattle, and SF. While Glennon didn’t make many errors he just doesn’t have the staff or pieces around him to get wins for the bucs. Good kid looks decent enough but this team is bad, can’t get off the field on 3rd downs, cant sustain drives and is being out coached on every level. PLEASE END THIS GLAZERS!!
October 25th, 2013 at 8:17 am
Hey Bucs, you better turn it around soon. You can’t have our first pick.
October 25th, 2013 at 8:25 am
WGAS. WGAF.
October 25th, 2013 at 8:26 am
Before the season I predicted 13-3. Obviously I was way off, but to me our record doesn’t reflect the talent that this team has. It reflects on coaching. Coaching at all levels.
Also I like the way Glennon throws the ball. I counted 5 legitimate drops last night. Over a 4 game span against some decent defenses Glennon is on pace for 3988 yards 24 TD and 12 INT. Not too bad for a rookie. He just needs to work on his pocket presence. Takes way too many sacks that aren’t necessary. But shows promise. If he continues to develop and we keep losing, we might be able to take Clowney #1 instead of Bridgewater.
October 25th, 2013 at 8:32 am
If this happens in Seattle – Schiano can just stay in Washington state and apply for college jobs.
October 25th, 2013 at 8:40 am
On hand, I agree that coaching has contributed greatly. On the other hand, when I look at talent, I think it’s been overrated. Especially the depth of the team is terrible. Once again, they are basically playing guys off the street.
I can’t believe that most people want Schiano’s head on a stick, but, don’t say spit about the Teflon Dom.
This is the guy who hired Schiano. This is the guy who signs off on the roster. He is the reason there is no speed at DE. He saw a career blocker and “hoped” Crabtree would blossom in a passcatcher. It goes on and on.
Clear house.
October 25th, 2013 at 8:44 am
When you evaluate the team from top to bottom, here is how I see it.
offensive. I know everyone wants a QB with the 1st pick but we have real glaring needs elsewhere. Penn is an adequate left tackle but is probably better suited on the right 1st pick would be the left tackle anchor for years to come. Nicks probably won’t be back and we need a quality center in the worse way. We also need a tight end with hands that can block and stretch the field. We need help at the receiver. Without these things, what good is picking a QB with the #1 pick. I think if you give Glennon good coaching, a line and receivers, he is very serviceable. We cannot keep paying Revis 16 million a year, so we need 2 quality corners. We also need a safety to replace Gholston because at 6 million, there are better options. Then there is the need to address backups and least we forget, we need help on the front line. So I would jettison Gholston, Revis and Jackson for draft picks and start a real rebuilding process. I also would get rid of Banks to someone in need. He was a bad pick to begin with.
October 25th, 2013 at 8:48 am
@Joe. another suggestion. see if you can find DVD’s, game by game of the 2002 season. Then on Sunday we can watch real football and feel good about the buc’s
October 25th, 2013 at 8:48 am
I think glazers should take some of blame here to they hired this coach now fire his ass.
October 25th, 2013 at 8:49 am
@pass the buc
“We cannot keep paying Revis 16 million a year, so we need 2 quality corners. ”
So, there’s goes a First round pick for minimal service. That’s another absolute waste by Dominick. 1st round picks should be your teams foundation for many, many years. I said when the trade happens, he needs to contribute at a very high level for a minimum 5 years for that trade to be worthwhile.
Teflon Dom needs to go with all the coaches.
October 25th, 2013 at 8:51 am
@Dee
There’s a chain of command. The GM hires the coach. Fire Dominick.
October 25th, 2013 at 8:52 am
Dom is not important right now. The rest of the season, Dom wont do any more damage. If they can him at season end, so be it. I’m sure no one would complain. Right now is the time to worry about Schiano. He’s the biggest problem. Schiano will do nothing but damage this team on a daily basis until he is gone. When there is a dead cow laying in your yard you clean that up before you worry about pulling the weeds.
October 25th, 2013 at 8:55 am
@Chef,
Now or end of season makes no diff to me. I just don’t want him hiring the next guy.
I’d say he’s a lot closer to a second dead cow then a weed. But, either way, clean house. This season is done.
October 25th, 2013 at 8:55 am
@Oil Derrick Brooks. I don’t disagree. However when you make a bad choice, you don’t need to live with it. I would consider eating the balance of his salary
for the remainder of the year in exchange for a 1st round pick in 2014. My philosophy is to spend 3-5 years and do it right. Maybe the Ray’s or Lightening owners could pry the team from the Glazers and do it right.
October 25th, 2013 at 8:56 am
I agree with passthebuc clean house and just start over.
October 25th, 2013 at 9:02 am
@oil Derrick Brooks
I agree nobody should be safe
October 25th, 2013 at 9:07 am
@pass
My absolute dream would be for them to sell the team. Lightning owner would be good, but, I had always hoped it would be Eddie Debartolo. I think he had already show interest (maybe someone could confirm this). I know that he would be committed to building a winning pro football team.
October 25th, 2013 at 9:14 am
I agree. I don’t want him hiring the next guy eother
October 25th, 2013 at 9:16 am
Bye Bye Rockstar, Bye Bye Schiano. Today or at the end of the season, they are all gone.
Last night, for the first time, it looked a little like a Rah game. The just gave up the booty last night on national TV.
October 25th, 2013 at 9:16 am
@Oil Derrick Brooks. Debartolo would be a great choice. He understands football and business. He came from a family of no nonsense developers. If Eddie is anything like his father it would be lights out.
October 25th, 2013 at 9:18 am
Problems with the Bucs: There are SO MANY…
Bad scheme on defense- The 2 biggest plays of the game where Cam ran for the 1st down and TD, Clayborn ran a stunt, literally, to the other side of the defensive line. Absolutely no contain on the outside. Against Newton, you can’t just play contain some of the time. You have to contain him the entire game.
Defensive Line Playing Horrible
1. Teo-whatashame gets a clear opportunity to plaster Newton and Newton throws a half-ass stiff arm that puts the DE on his back like he was hit by a Bruce Lee drop kick.
2.Clayborn had multiple opportunities to sack Newton and kept getting tackled by the grass.
3. ZERO pass rush. Newton had ALL NIGHT to throw the ball. If the Bucs weren’t blitzing, there was absolutely no pressure on the QB. U can’t expect the secondary to defend for as long as they are.
4. Inability to get off the field. Carolina offense had the ball for way too long. Both the players and coaches were to blame for that.
Offensive Issues
1. The offensive line play is horrendous!!! There is no push from either of our lines actually. Davin is holding more that Kate Upton’s bra, and we can’t even get a clean shotgun snap on 3rd down. Until this offensive line gets it together, this offense has NO CHANCE. Good luck getting on track in Seattle.
2. CATCH THE DAMN BALL!!! The amount of drops from VJ and company is embarrassing!
3. 50 throws a game?!? Really!?! I thought Mike James was balling! He started doing really well so the coaching staff had to make sure to go away from him.
4. Glennon has to recognize where the blitz is coming from and throw to the open spots left open by the blitz. There was many times when the Panthers were lined up to blitz and Glennon did not do any audibles or hot routes. Stop staring down VJ. There are other people on the field.
Coaches & Front Office
Schiano needs to go (obviously)
Dominick needs to go too. His results as a GM speak for themselves.
October 25th, 2013 at 9:19 am
Guys, is it even an option to have Dom pick the next guy. We are a laughing stock right now under his watch. 5 years is long enough to show you don’t know what you are doing.
Some people, like Joe, are still defending Rockstar but with games last night where we are clearly blown off the field by a better team at home, I don’t think there is anyway that he stays.
October 25th, 2013 at 9:21 am
Such a good point Nate. The stunts… OMG. How many times did we get gashed on run plays while our front 4 is doing cartwheels in front of their o line.
October 25th, 2013 at 9:27 am
“Some people, like Joe, are still defending Rockstar”
It’s hilarious. I’m still waiting for a real evaluation of Dominick. Let’s list his successes and his failures, side by side. I’m still waiting for that article by Joe.
5 year rebuild and this team is ghastly thin in many, many areas. He wasted his big splash first round pick of QB, by listening to Rah (who has zero personnel experience).
You have to laugh to keep from crying. Bad coaching, and bad GM.
October 25th, 2013 at 9:31 am
Oil Derrick…. Its funny, I was sitting with a scotch last night on the laptop laughing my ass off at comments. I don’t think I am even angry anymore… I’m numb.
October 25th, 2013 at 9:40 am
The fact that this team has somehow gotten worse every week as the season has gone on is astonishing to me.
October 25th, 2013 at 10:35 am
I have been a season ticket holder since 1976. I am now in my 70s and wonder if I will live long enough to see my team a winner again. I have moved from the Tampa area and now travel nearly 200 miles to attend games.
Frankly, its no longer fun. I am embarrassed to tell friends and family I still support the Bucs.
Who is to blame for the state of affairs? First, the Glazer boys. They need to be more demanding and more selective.
Secondly, Dominick. His performance is deplorable. Wasted picks and glitz free agent signings have left this “built to win now team” too thin and too deficient in too many areas. Dominick must be gone NOW! Let him go to Washington with the other assclown. Frankly he reminds me of Brian Cashman signing the highest price free agent big names available. Revis it seems isn’t worth 1 mill a game and a no. 1 pick to boot (panic move). Goldston is a crushing hitter in a game which is evolving to finesse and penalizing the big hitters. Nicks…was he damaged goods when we got him?
Coaching staff, absolutely no consistency from your team. Same mistakes over and over. Bad schemes, no adjustments, too many on field breakdowns. It’s a wonder the team hasn’t quit at this point. That’s the most positive thing I can say.
Perhaps, like me, their glutton for punishment,
October 25th, 2013 at 11:02 am
@upthegut
I feel your pain. We need a new everything, from owners down.