“You Can’t Load The Entire Roster In A Two-Year Period”
September 23rd, 2013
Joe was a big $10,000 Pyramid fan when he was a kid. And for those familiar with the game show, the above quote would fall under the category of Things An NFL Head Coach Shouldn’t Say.
Unfortunately, Greg Schiano uttered just those words tonight to TJ Rives, host of Total Access on WDAE-AM 620.
Joe nearly had a seizure.
No matter the context, the words “you can’t load the entire roster in a two-year period” just can’t be spoken, especially when your 0-3 team is stocked with eight Pro Bowl players 30 years old and younger, plus emerging stars and/or first-round talents like Lavonte David, Mark Barron, Mike Williams and Josh Freeman, and your team is sitting on a pile of salary cap room.
It sounds like making excuses.
Does Schiano really believe the Bucs don’t have enough talent? A few days ago he said the Bucs had all the “components” to win now. Surely he knows his predecessor won 10 games in his second season with the same quarterback, and a lot less talent and a record number of rookies.
The Bucs had the ninth-ranked offense last season and added two legitimate superstars to the defense in the offseason. The roster is loaded in many areas. And in other areas rockstar general manager Mark Dominik and Schiano decided they’d rather sit on salary cap room than, using Schiano’s words, “load the entire roster.”
Joe hopes this was a just a slip of the tongue by Schiano, but sadly Joe suspects Schiano really believes what he said.
In the win-now NFL, coaches like Schiano don’t get a third year to “load the entire roster” while their team is getting worse. Owners typically prefer to let a new commander handle those duties.
September 23rd, 2013 at 9:13 pm
I can agree that Schiano has made some questionable coaching decisions and hasn’t prepared the team well enough for the last 3 weeks……but it’s pretty hard to win games when your “franchise” quarterback is only completing 46% of his passes.
September 23rd, 2013 at 9:18 pm
Maybe not but Seattle was not a powerhouse two years ago.
September 23rd, 2013 at 9:19 pm
Yeah, it’s not like there were no options at slot WR and TE this offseason. I’m pretty sure Martellus Bennett would be more helpful than Luke Stocker, regardless of how little our offense uses the TE. I could go on and on, but there’s no point. The money was there, the holes were obvious, they chose to do nothing. Maybe the guys that were available weren’t “Buccaneer Men”, but it’s going to be awful hard to build a team if you can’t bring in anyone who has an edgy personality (which is apparently what they don’t want to do). Hell, at this point Kellen Winslow would be a great addition. The fact that Schiano had the nerve to say that really bothers me. I can’t imagine any of the players being happy with that statement.
September 23rd, 2013 at 9:21 pm
Joe, the team in 2010 was playing the easiest schedule in the NFL. Our team this year before week one was projected to have the 3rd toughest schedule. The combined record of our opponents so far is 8-1. I don’t even think that was accounted for when they predicted us having the 3rd toughest schedule. I however agree, we have plenty of talent at every position except for Tight end. You don’t get to have everything in the NFL. A great QB would be nice but how many teams have a legendary QB I guess?
September 23rd, 2013 at 9:22 pm
4 times in 19 games- Schiano gave points to the other team at the end of a half. All four games were losses.
He’s not a good coach.
September 23rd, 2013 at 9:24 pm
Hawaiian Buc…….I agree with you on Winslow. Kellen Winslow may be kind of a dick head, but the guy produced like he was supposed to and actually had leadership qualities in the locker room. We haven’t won anything since he left so nobody can say it was a good decision letting him go. Clark was serviceable, but we let him go as well. Why does Dominick get rid of all our tight ends?
September 23rd, 2013 at 9:24 pm
Let’s see
We won 10 games with Josh- and nobody else
Last year- we had the 9th ranked offense- which is pretty good, unless you are a Glennon zombie.
This year- we are 32, with better personnel, and a year in the system.
Um- I think a coach is supposed to make players better? Why are ours so much worse! Josh, Martin, Jackson all look worse than last year. That’s on the coach.
Meybe he meant” it takes more than two years, to load the roster up with Rutgers players!” Load knows he’s trying.
Not exactly a ringing endorsement of Dom’s 5 years of building a “lasting contender”. Sounds like Schiano thinks he stuck with a bunch of slobs! Lol
September 23rd, 2013 at 9:24 pm
We are running out of excuses, time will tell.
September 23rd, 2013 at 9:25 pm
Good lord, this is one more thing. The Dolphins made ” BIG” free agent moves, and seem to be paying off. 49ers were MUCH better once they got their coach. Damn this sucks.
September 23rd, 2013 at 9:27 pm
This just keeps getting more pathetic
September 23rd, 2013 at 9:28 pm
Sounds like someone should start looking over their shoulder for a bus. Lord knows someone is going get thrown under it.
September 23rd, 2013 at 9:29 pm
Not a Schiano fan. But I listened to the show and felt like he was speaking more to the depth in response to that caller’a question. Commenting on his perceived lack of depth. Which is true, IMO.
September 23rd, 2013 at 9:30 pm
Could also be because NFL D coordinators have figured out Sully the QB coach turned OC’s vanilla playbook.
September 23rd, 2013 at 9:32 pm
Warrenfb12…so what your saying is Joe took this out of context? Schiano was talking about depth issues? If that was the case. Then I agree with the coach.
September 23rd, 2013 at 9:36 pm
Hahahaha Capt said Martin looks worse? You no longer should be able to comment.
In a way Schiano is right. This team wil never be any good no mattwr who the coach is if we keep changing every two years. The bucs were a horrible team all around during the morris years. Schiano had to change a culture, a defense, and offense. So far the he’s gotten the culture and Defense looking pretty good. But he needs to be able to do the same with the offense.
Firing him this seasin will do nothing but set the team back another 3 years.
September 23rd, 2013 at 9:37 pm
I heard Schiano say this and I think it’s very tellling. How many years you need, Coach? Feel free to let us know.
YOU JUST LOST TO A TEAM WITH GARBAGE RECEIVERS, AND THEIR LEADING RUSHER AND CORNERBACK WERE GUYS YOU THREW AWAY.
September 23rd, 2013 at 9:38 pm
If you guys think about it, Gruden really wasn’t that bad in Tampa. Did pretty good considering that Bruce Allen and the Glazers gave him little talent to work with when he was here. The major thing he messed up on was not drafting Aaron Rodgers (or getting a franchise quarterback). Also, did we ever see constant undisciplined football under him? Nope, he demanded the best out of the players and if you refused to give him your all, he chewed your ass out! That’s the kind of coaching we need here again. Obviously, Gruden won’t ever come back here again, but we need that kind of style enforced.
September 23rd, 2013 at 9:40 pm
@Keith……Michael Clayton could’ve been one of the Patriots receivers and they still would’ve beaten us. If Tom Brady is your quarterback, you are always in a position to win, regardless of who your wideouts are. That’s what makes him the great QB he is.
September 23rd, 2013 at 9:41 pm
Keith Says:
September 23rd, 2013 at 9:37 pm
“I heard Schiano say this and I think it’s very tellling. How many years you need, Coach? Feel free to let us know.”
Probably more than 1 year.
September 23rd, 2013 at 9:41 pm
I believe he was referring to depth, Joe #2.
September 23rd, 2013 at 9:44 pm
rCS,
Nah. He’s had 4 drops, and 140 less yards. His yards per carry are down by 1.9 yards
But, nah, he’s greatly improved- especially the “can’t catch” thing
The Stupid is strong with this one!
September 23rd, 2013 at 9:44 pm
“Josh, Martin, Jackson all look worse than last year. That’s on the coach.”
If you don’t like Schiano, I guess I can see how it’s on the coach. Otherwise, how so?
September 23rd, 2013 at 9:48 pm
Hahaha Capt I mentioned martin and you come back with stats for Jackson….
I wouldn’t throw that stupid word around about other people.
And please explain to me how a player dropping passes are a coaches fault?
September 23rd, 2013 at 9:50 pm
Barron, David, Watson, Foster, McCoy, Clayborn, Williams all look better than last year. That’s on the coach.
September 23rd, 2013 at 9:51 pm
The roster isn’t loaded.
Plus the rockstar was the one who orchestrated this Schiano fiasco. His fingerprints are all over it. He’s the one that found the guy. That he expected it to work shows the depth of his football knowledge.
Horrific GM. Need to clean house totally. Like they should have done when they let Rah go, instead of putting rock in charge of finding a coach – with the predictable heinous results.
Until that happens the road to recovery can’t begin.
September 23rd, 2013 at 9:52 pm
Hey, it’s not like the Colts or 49ers were able to pull it off in just a couple of years. We’re probably just a few Rutgers alumni away from making the roster the way Schiano wants it.
Seriously, at least Raheem had one winning season. If we’d waited a year, we could’ve hired a real NFL coach like Lovie Smith or Andy Reid.
September 23rd, 2013 at 9:55 pm
If anything put the blame on Dom and the Glazers to a degree. Not all of the blame of course, but like Joe said there was more cap money to be spent. Could have picked up that backup QB, a decent TE or a 3rd WR. I’m not saying the Glazers are cheap, just saying they could have spent more money on the team. I’d gladly give back that throwback flag they gave to me with my season tickets this year if they would have spent more money.
September 23rd, 2013 at 9:55 pm
Marty ball for 3-4 years guys. Let him stabilize this team and get us back to playoff caliber. Then when the guy gets too old, move him to the front office and just hire a coach who can keep it going.
September 23rd, 2013 at 9:55 pm
This is the order of fault
1. Glaziers…they’re still spending bare minimum needed to maintain new cbo
2. Dominick…many years of bad draft picks
3. Freeman….worst QB in the NFL
4. Shiano…using outdated schemes and poor game time adjustments
September 23rd, 2013 at 10:00 pm
That Guy – you got to be kidding me using the 49ers….
They were loaded when Jim got there they didn’t add anyone major and you can’t use Kap because he was drafted and if Smith never gets injured he’s still just a wild cat QB.
The colts also added the best rated player to come out if college football in the last 20 years (Freeman is not that)
September 23rd, 2013 at 10:00 pm
I’m a Dom-Schiano guy. But I’m losing faith in both. Schiano for not benching the quitter Freeman. Dom 24M per for Goldson and Revis could have be spent on Welker,both Bennetts and one or two of those 5M corner’s. Both player’s have been a dissapointment. Revis in a Zone is a joke. It’s like Nnamdi in Philly. 16M for a jjob that can be done for 5M
September 23rd, 2013 at 10:02 pm
Actually a good QB makes his receivers better. See Brady. We count on the receivers to make the Moron better.
September 23rd, 2013 at 10:02 pm
Sounds like loser talk to me…
Hope they can figure this s**t out with the quickness, or the whole damn thing gets blown up IMO. Too many high priced vets in their primes; can’t waste time with a roster like this.
WIN now!
Go Bucs!
September 23rd, 2013 at 10:09 pm
Schiano was responding to a question about depth.C’mon Joe.Don’t you think if Schiano or any other coach were given a blank check to spend as much money as the league allowed, he would not do that. The Glazers and Dom have control of spending. You know that.
September 23rd, 2013 at 10:13 pm
Joe’s just getting prepped for this week’s lapdog anti- Schiano routine on BD.
September 23rd, 2013 at 10:21 pm
Years ago I used to listen to the ”Saints Show” on WWL on winter evenings, & in the midst of a string of losing seasons, host Buddy Ditillier exclaimed one night, ”Jeez, the Saints are halfway through a 20 year rebuilding plan!”. The Bucs are starting to look something like that, sad to say.
September 23rd, 2013 at 10:22 pm
Whatever seasons over. I’ll still watch the bucs from first to last play each week even of its 41-0 and we go 0-16. But I’m still looking at scenarios for next year.
September 23rd, 2013 at 10:23 pm
Watching the Broncos demolish the Raiders.
There is a stacked roster.
Not ours.
Ours is sucky.
September 23rd, 2013 at 10:25 pm
@Capt. Tim,
Doug Martin is the second leading rusher in the NFL. He is absolutely not down 1.9 yards per carry. Not sure where you got that stat from. He averages 4.1 yards per carry, down from 4.5. Pretty good if you consider the fact that we can’t complete a pass and teams are stacking the box even more than last year. I’m not really arguing with your overall point, but our problem starts with coaching and Freeman, and I’m not even sure in what order. I don’t even know if a TE would really help, because Freeman can’t make a throw to anyone at this point. Problem is, I don’t think we have anyone that can make it any better.
September 23rd, 2013 at 10:28 pm
@Eric,
Yes and no. They had a very similar roster with Kyle Orton and Tim Tebow, and were 8-8 (and even that was due to some miracle finishes). They have an excellent QB (captain obvious I know) and a very good scheme (probably mostly due to their excellent QB). Last year, they had absolute garbage on their interior defensive line, and they still aren’t a team without weaknesses. However, a great QB can sure make up for that.
September 23rd, 2013 at 10:30 pm
Eric , there is nothing wrong with our roster. Our problem:
1. No qb in a qb driven league. If freeman was just average like Alex smith we’d be golden
2. Coaching staff lacks adjustments and adapting the scheme to player strengths. Need to elude the stunts and play more man. Revis isn’t a zone cb. If you brought him here to do that you’re wasting what you’ve given up for him.
3. Depth at wr, te, and dline.
September 23rd, 2013 at 10:31 pm
You can’t sit here and tell me that with a coach like Lovie Smith and a halfway decent QB we wouldn’t be at least 2-1. I know that’s a big if, but it shows that our roster isn’t “sucky”. Our QB and coach are sucky.
September 23rd, 2013 at 10:32 pm
Broncos lost their starting LT one of the best in the league. Don’t see anyone complaint. Lost starting center. Von miller. Don’t really have an elite weapon at rb. Manning makes everyone better.
September 23rd, 2013 at 10:38 pm
You know whats sad! The Raiders Offense looks better than the Bucs,, and they look bad.
Guess who the OC is? Hint,, ex Bucs OC
September 23rd, 2013 at 10:40 pm
That was a big-time Freudian slip by Schiano. We’ve witnessed his utter lack of leadership in handling his team, in not making in-game adjustments, and now this amateur slip of the tongue. If there was ever any doubt this guy is NOT an NFL level Head Coach, he’s opened his mouth and removed all doubt. Perhaps the pressure has become to much for him.
September 23rd, 2013 at 10:42 pm
Right now our team is 0-3. So everyone is grasping at straws in here and there is going to be some bickering going on back and forth. I for one am STILL looking forward to this week’s game. I’ll be there in my seats being just as loud as I was in week 2. This is my team. It’s 0-3 and thing’s look gloomy. I don’t care anymore. I’ve been through this crap before. I’ll get through it again. I say Go Bucs!
September 23rd, 2013 at 10:43 pm
Howard Bass…he was talking about the depth on the team. Joe just left that out of the article.
September 23rd, 2013 at 10:47 pm
Does it suck having your team go 0-3? Of course it does. Welcome to the 80’s Tampa Bay Buccaneers. You are a fan of the Bucs, get used to the sucking.
September 23rd, 2013 at 10:47 pm
By the way, why does “Joe” speak in third person? Weird……..
Yes, there is talent. If players executed every play the way it is conceived then this would bea blog topic. Reality is, no team executes all of its plays. When teams don’t execute plays should we cry and blame the coach?
Dominic hasn’t addressed right end successfully. Third and forth receivers are a fleeting weakness at this point. The Bucs have 3 studs and a good o line. Schiano is right; need deeper roster. What was there was not good. Look at who they’ve released, Stovall, Parker, Benn. Where are those guys? Be patient you ADHD freaks!
September 23rd, 2013 at 10:50 pm
Wait a min ! so that question he was answering was about building depth on the team?
Come on Joe? you can’t leave that out of the story that changes everything about his statement. he wasn’t commenting on winning, he was commenting on something that is entirely true, it takes years to build depth on an NFL team Esp with FA…
September 23rd, 2013 at 10:50 pm
Howard Bass, if you didn’t hear it don’t say such things. Joe took it out of context. It’s Monday after a loss, so he’s still venting.
September 23rd, 2013 at 10:51 pm
@Buc1987,
If that’s the case, it makes it a little more excusable. However, still a really stupid thing to say. Why exactly couldn’t they build depth? Do they not have more money to spend? Depth has not been our problem in my opinion.
September 23rd, 2013 at 10:51 pm
RCS…
Warrenfb12 Says:
September 23rd, 2013 at 9:29 pm
“Not a Schiano fan. But I listened to the show and felt like he was speaking more to the depth in response to that caller’a question. Commenting on his perceived lack of depth. Which is true, IMO.”
September 23rd, 2013 at 10:53 pm
I wish I ADHD then maybe i could get some good stuff from the DR. to help with the Bucs losses.
September 23rd, 2013 at 10:54 pm
Hawaiian Buc…Schiano does not write the checks.
September 23rd, 2013 at 10:55 pm
SOUNDS LIKE A NOTHER PEANUTBUTTER AND JELLY SANDWICH
WE ARE OUT OF THE PLAY OFFS AND HELL , I USE TO LOVE WATCHING THE DRAFT BUT TAMPA CAN’T EVEN DO THAT RIGHT ANYMORE…….
September 23rd, 2013 at 10:56 pm
Like I said earlier…the Bucs still had cap money to spend…you place the blame where you want to from there.
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:01 pm
Hey JBF, I get that Schiano may not be a good game day coach but at least he’s improved the defense and running game despite the QB. You’re hangin on his every word to try to find some smoking gun. We should all be barbecuing Sullivan for terrible play calling and no adjustments. The receivers, especially Jackson have cost us points and first downs at crucial times. Jackson could be the second coming of Alvin Harper if he keeps it up. What good is all that talent you mentioned if they can’t catch the ball. C’mon man! When are the players going to be accountable for their lousy and dumb play.
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:03 pm
@1987,
That’s completely irrelevant in this situation. He said it can’t be done. I don’t believe for one second that it has anything to do with who writes the check. We are paying a CB $16M to play zone. We pay our WR $11M. We just signed our #2 to a fat contract. We pay our punter more than most teams pay their punter and kicker combined. Goldson is the highest paid safety I believe (or at least very close). I don’t believe money had anything to do with us not signing Bennett. Obviously money had nothing to do with us getting rid of Winslow, Talib, Blount, or Dallas Clark. Those were at minimum influenced by Schiano, but more likely ordered by him. Again, that’s all fine and I think we have some great guys on the team. However, this is the NFL, you can’t just get rid of people because they don’t respond well to you treating them like they are on the JV football team.
If he were coaching our team in the glory years, he would certainly get rid of Sapp, Simeon Rice, and Keyshawn Johnson. Probably a lot more than that. I love to have nice guys on the team, but I’ll take an arse hole or two if it’s going to help us not be 0-3. But maybe that’s just me.
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:07 pm
Listen, I’ve read a zillion articles here about our lack of depth and you think it’s strange Schiano would make that comment?? I don’t think it’s an excuse….I think it’s a fact.
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:08 pm
This team was expected to be a winner this year. We all did, including Schiano. There’s no way you could argue that. If he felt he needed something else, he would get it. There’s not a doubt in my mind about that. You don’t think if he wanted to keep Dallas Clark they wouldn’t have? You think he wanted Michael Bennett back? Of course he didn’t. That’s on him, as well as Mark Dominik. You can’t continue to give Schiano a pass on everything, all the while blaming everyone else around him. You can’t praise him for our improved offense, yet blame Sullivan for our offense. You can’t give Schiano credit for 2 pretty good drafts, yet blame Dominik or the Glazers for not bringing in more depth. Everyone definitely deserves some blame, especially Schiano.
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:10 pm
“However, this is the NFL, you can’t just get rid of people because they don’t respond well to you treating them like they are on the JV football team.”
Hawaiian Buc..He can do whatever he wants to do. Gruden was a hard ass too. No I’m not comparing him to Gruden either. Just saying it’s the same demeanor.
“I had a guy on SportsCenter say he couldn’t get along with me the other day on TV,” Gruden said. “So I know how it feels. You’ve got to have some thick skin, and you’ve got to know when things get tough there are going to be some negative things said.” – Jon Gruden speaking about Keyshawn.
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:11 pm
Agree with Joe that this was a telling quote regardless of context. Schiano got rid of plenty of players and has a hand in picking them. You start making excuses and you’re soon to be toast.
Just win Schiano. Just make the most out of the talent you have and coach better.
The Bucs have been outcoached in three straight games
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:12 pm
“This team was expected to be a winner this year. We all did, including Schiano. There’s no way you could argue that.”
Hawaiian Buc…well I did for sure, but not many “experts” did. Joe himself called for an 8-8 record.
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:13 pm
Kennedy…yep and out-quarterbacked too.
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:16 pm
Hawaiian – You think the team he was given he could build DEPTH with in 19 games?
and I ask because I don’t think that you can. This team had no one when he took over GMC, Clayborn, Davin, and Williams… (and you can ague Penn) 4 or 5 guys out of 53 isn’t very good if you ask me.
Schiano put his prints all over this defense and while you may not like how he’s using Revis it’s working the Defense when given the field position and rest have been lights out. it’s not until they have been on the field for long periods of time do they breakdown.
Schiano needs to be able to put his prints on this offense.
and when it comes to getting rid of those guys it’s not like they wasn’t on their way out anyways.
and I am so over people talking about Bennett. This guy saw one on one matchup’s all season (because GMC, and Miller were being doubled) and he won all of 8 matchup’s in 16 games ! other top DEs are getting chipped and doubled and still posting double digit sacks. Bennett was not as great as everyone wants to make him out to be.
and no Schiano wouldn’t get rid of Sapp or Rice (the fact you even mention WHOshawn ! is funny) because they were hard nose players who produced and backed up their talk.
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:17 pm
Hawaiian Buc …I don’t give Schiano a pass at all. I just don’t want to see him fired. He blamed himself in yesterday’s presser.
Look the median average for the “experts” was around 6 wins. I don’t believe in the experts of course, but maybe I’m too much of a homer then.
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:18 pm
smh at all the excuses you people make for his excuse. blind loyalty. why?? I’ll never know… he’s now 7-12 as our HC.
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:19 pm
@1987,
But you see, you are comparing him to Jon Gruden. You can’t just say you’re not, but then do it. Gruden was an NFL coach, not a college coach coaching in the NFL. You have to treat professional athletes like men. There’s a difference between yelling at them and telling them they have to put their toes on the line. A huge difference. Did you ever see Gruden tell his players to bum rush the kneel down? I never did. More importantly, did Schiano ever win a Super Bowl, or even a division title? Therefore, your point is completely moot.
As for the experts predicting a poor record, that’s because they knew we had obvious holes. Hell, 95% of the fans here knew it. I knew it too, I just thought perhaps we could get a decent showing from our QB and be able to get past our holes. Again, that’s the very problem. They either didn’t think we had holes or knew we did but chose to do nothing about it. Either way it’s bad, and either way Schiano deserves some of the blame.
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:21 pm
All I said was it’s the same demeanor. Gruden did tell yell at grown men in training camp.
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:23 pm
Its true that we have no depth at TE and WR. But why doesnt he pick up Underwood, who caught 450 something yds last year. He knows the offense. Then once Crabtree returns, things should start looking better. (I know, Crabtree is unproven. But I GUARANTEE he’s better than Tim Wright, Nate Bynham and Jeff Demps!)
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:23 pm
All the “experts” were not sold on FREEMAN before the season. None of them made mention about the coach. That is WHY they made those predictions. Because of Josh Freeman. That was the MISSING link. Was it not?
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:23 pm
@RCS,
Again, Depth is not our issue. Our issue is QB, TE, and slot WR. Can he not find someone better than Luke Stocker in 19 games? And that was supposed to be our starter! We had Dallas Clark here last year, is he not better than Stocker, Noble, or Tim Wright? Pretty sure he is on one leg. Why did we cut Underwood and keep Ogletree? Was that a good move? It has nothing to do with depth. Maybe when the injuries build up in October or November that might be the case, but it sure isn’t now.
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:24 pm
Wish we had P.Manning 136.7 QB rating so far and 31 for 36 just ridiculous
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:25 pm
Every time an “expert” would come out and make a prediction for the Bucs to win 6 games this year. They made mention of FREEMAN. Period.
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:26 pm
“Why did we cut Underwood and keep Ogletree? Was that a good move?”
I did not like that move either. Maybe it’s because Underwood is from Rutgers.
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:27 pm
@1987,
No, many experts wrongly liked Josh Freeman. I can’t tell you how many “experts” on ESPN and NFL Network speak highly of Freeman. He broke franchise records last year, did he not? And yes, many are very critical of Schiano and his college ways. Apparently you don’t watch much NFL Network. But once again, if Schiano knew that Freeman isn’t the answer, then why is our backup Mike Glennon? Why not trade for Carson Palmer or another starting caliber QB? Because he either didn’t think we needed to, or thinks Glennon is the next Russell Wilson. There’s no other reasonable explanation.
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:28 pm
@’87
I dont see how he reminds you of Gruden. When I watch his pressers, he reminds me of ‘W’. Greg W Schiano. Now with the slip of the tongue…..THATS a W trait.
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:28 pm
Schiano has had plenty to work with but he’s getting rid of guys who question the system and their role in it. “Shut up and do as you’re told because I’ve been doing this for 26 yrs” doesn’t work for long in any organization, least of all in one where the employees you’re telling it to are paid several times more than you. He’ll be gone soon but probably not soon enough.
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:29 pm
Hawaiian Buc..so now you want me to look up the predictions and what they said after they made them? Your going to play the denial card?
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:30 pm
“Why not trade for Carson Palmer or another starting caliber QB? Because he either didn’t think we needed to, or thinks Glennon is the next Russell Wilson.”
He’s had a hard-on for Glennon ever since he failed to recruit him out of high school.
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:32 pm
So Dom has no responsibility in signing players and bringing them in? How do you know they were not QB shopping in the offseason?
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:33 pm
We had depth at cb but he dumped wright which is lightyear better than LJ.
We had depth at dline but he let go our top sacker Bennet and stated that Bowers was going to have a double digit sacks year
We had depth at TE with winslow then Clark but he dumped them too
We had some kind of 3rd wr in Underwood, not flashy, not great YAC stat but way more reliable than ogletree.
These choices are the coaches choices.
We need to tell Schiano that the no fly zone apply to the other team, not the Bucs!
The only players he’s clearly capable to motivate are the ones he throws away and that plays against the bucs.
Schiano was handed an above average talent team and there’s absolutely no sign of improvement that the team is progressing. Yes individuals are making splash plays but there’s regression at almost every level on the field and on the sideline
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:33 pm
@RCS,
And I didn’t say Bennett was great. But he was serviceable, and certainly one of our best pass rushers (which just so happens to be a position where we have no depth). It has been reported all over (and never once disputed by anyone in the organization) that they wanted to give Bowers the job. How did that work out?
And yes he would get rid of those guys, especially Rice. What volatile personality do we have on this team? Absolutely no one. Do you not realize how bad Rice was? He got kicked out of the Pro Bowl because his behavior was so bad. Was Winslow not a hard nosed player? How many games did he miss with the knees of a 70 year old? And you can laugh all you want about Keysawn, but we don’t win a SB without him. If you ever watched a game back then, you would know that. If you are 16, then you won’t know. Take a gander over at his stats for that year if you are 16.
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:35 pm
Pat Kirwin 6-10 prediction:
There’s something about this team that is not in harmony. I like the skills of quarterback Josh Freeman, but he’s as inconsistent now as he was last year.
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:36 pm
“Hawaiian Buc..so now you want me to look up the predictions and what they said after they made them? Your going to play the denial card?”
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Am I typing English? Are you reading what I’m typing? So you think Schiano thought we were going to be a terrible team? Do you believe he wanted more players but wasn’t allowed to get them by the organization? Is that really what you believe? Who exactly is using the denial card?
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:36 pm
I can pull up all the predictions if you like. Most of them made them because of Freeman though.
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:38 pm
Hawaiian Buc …there was cap room. The Glazers did not spend it.
Did you not expect a winning season with Freeman at QB? Of course you did. So just say yes.
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:38 pm
So Dom has no responsibility in signing players and bringing them in? How do you know they were not QB shopping in the offseason?”
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So shopping for a QB in the offseason is good enough for you? As long as we try, it’s ok? We can land Revis and Goldson, yet we can’t find a way to get a decent QB? Sure buddy, keep on living in whatever world you’re living in.
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:39 pm
“Do you believe he wanted more players but wasn’t allowed to get them by the organization?”
I’m saying there was cap money left. The Glazers spent the bare minimum like someone made mention of earlier.
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:40 pm
Did you not expect a winning season with Freeman at QB? Of course you did. So just say yes.
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:42 pm
I’m saying YOU and I don’t know if they were shopping for a QB or not. I’m not saying that they were or were not. Either way they were still on the hook for Freeman’s contract. Freeman is Dom’s boy. In case everyone forgot…
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:43 pm
@1987,
I feel like I’m speaking to someone who is not comprehending a word I’m saying. They didn’t spend it because they didn’t think they needed it. I promise you if Schiano wanted anyone, they would have gotten it for him. They went for it this year, as well as last year. It’s been reported that they didn’t want Abraham because they were concerned about his personality in the locker room. Really, in the effing NFL!! Funny I don’t hear Arizona’s locker room falling apart. Never heard of him tearing up Atlanta’s locker room, did you? Fact is, he doesn’t want anyone that is not going to bow down to his “Buccaneer Man” philosophy. He’s said that himself.
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:46 pm
Ha ha ha it’s funny that you think they will just open their checkbook for Schiano when they did not spend sh!t on players in 2009 2010 and 2011. They spent the money on the team because they had to under the new CBA rules. The bare min.
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:48 pm
I am really blown away by how people are so blind with their love for one particular person (whether it be Freeman, Schiano, Dominik, etc.) that they will blame literally everyone else on the team except for their guy. Kinda sad to be honest.
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:48 pm
“Fact is, he doesn’t want anyone that is not going to bow down to his “Buccaneer Man” philosophy.”
And that’s fine by me. Last I checked pass rush is not of great need right now.
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:49 pm
I might somewhat agree with Schiano if the team was improving, but they have gotten worse as a whole. You have to score some points. It really is time for Schiano to go. Play calling is atrocious. True colors is what he is showing.
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:50 pm
@1987,
They have the highest paid players at their position at like 5 positions!!! They have gone on a free agent spending spree over the last 2 years (not just this year when it was required). They weren’t going to spend money the prior years because they weren’t good enough and it wouldn’t have mattered. The team is now good enough, and anybody they don’t get is a direct result of Schiano not wanting them, or them not wanting to be here because of Schiano. Spin facts all you want, that is the honest truth. But I know you will never admit it. We can be 0-14 and you’ll be blaming the fans, media, and the weather for all the losses before you’ll give an ounce of blame to Schiano. So I’m just not going to waste my time arguing.
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:55 pm
Hawaiian Buc …I’m not going to sit in here and argue about something the two of us are obviously NOT going to agree on. Schiano signs the checks. He calls all the shots. Your right, I’m wrong. He should of got Abraham cause the Bucs need more sacks. Yeah your right. The pass rush sucks. He cut Underwood because he hates Rutgers players too.
I will however go and look up all the “experts” predictions prior to the season and see if anyone made mention of Schiano in their paragraphs as the reason why the team will go 6-10 or did they mention Freeman as the missing link. See ya.
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:57 pm
BigMacAttack…have fun in here. I’ll remind you though Schiano is a defensive minded coach. Sully needs to go. Good night.
September 23rd, 2013 at 11:57 pm
I blame Schiano because the rate of the leader determines the rate of the pack. I gave him all that I could and he let me down. Everything below Schiano is a symptom of the problem, which is him.
Idiots like Schiano don’t realize how much this means to us fans. We suffer and celebrate as the team does. We are in this every bit as much as they are. Our role is different but that DumbA$$ takes the fans for granted. He puts himself on pedestal and rambles on while blowing smoke the whole time.
After the Cards beat them (a sucky team) maybe the Glazers will pull the plug. Enough is enough.
September 24th, 2013 at 12:00 am
@Buc1987
Makadumazz left you some good material to copy to your clip board on the Demps article. Apparently Freeman struggles are all my fault LMAO. I’m still laughing over that one.
September 24th, 2013 at 12:00 am
1987 then he needs to get a job as a DC. Then he can run prevent defense and lose games while another HC gets the blame.
I’m a Buc Fan and Schiano is destroying a very talented group of players.
September 24th, 2013 at 12:07 am
If nothing else at least let Schiano and Josh share a bench together. They both are a problem and put Sullivan on a leash. An offense that doesn’t need a TE is an inept offense that doesn’t take advantage of all tools available.
This whole we don’t need a TE concept is stupid. Graham just slayed you but Payton and the Saints don’t know about offense. Buc coaches know more. We are the laughing stock of the NFL and I doubt this team could even beat the Jags, with this coaching.
September 24th, 2013 at 12:08 am
@Hawaiian, (sorry to throw you under the bus 87)
Buc1987 Says:
September 20th, 2013 at 9:50 pm
Tampabaybucfan…you’ll get absolutely no arguments out of me when it comes to Schiano. I’m fully drunk off his kool-aid. I like the guy VERY much. It’s Joe I’m wondering about.
September 24th, 2013 at 12:12 am
Couch Fan Says:
September 24th, 2013 at 12:00 am
@Buc1987
Makadumazz left you some good material to copy to your clip board on the Demps article. Apparently Freeman struggles are all my fault LMAO. I’m still laughing over that one.
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again, moron. I was actually complimenting you, that as the founder of the MGM, you might have singlehandedly started the hate and controversy that surrounded Freeman which contributed to his demise (in Tampa at least).
Dumb azz ‘neck cant even comprehend what he reads. Baby Dicc havin Triler Trash Inbred.
September 24th, 2013 at 12:16 am
Holy sht @ BigMac
Someone else finally makin sense?? Damn, I just gained back a tiny bit of hope for humanity.
September 24th, 2013 at 12:18 am
yes yes blah blah. Your fooling nobody. Your to immature to compliment. Your also to immature to debate without name calling. At least be honest.
September 24th, 2013 at 12:19 am
“This whole we don’t need a TE concept is stupid.”
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After spending almost $150 on Revis & Goldson, they couldnt afford to sign a starting TE, so they gave us that line. And got Crabtree for cheap. I just hope he can get at least 30 catches, a few hundred yards.
September 24th, 2013 at 12:19 am
I single handedly RUINED Freemans career!! YES! Start Glennon!! GO BUCS!!
September 24th, 2013 at 12:24 am
I WAS being honest, baby dicc. As consistenly mad as youve been for the past summer, I guarantee you have a small unit! All angry guys do.
But yeah, I was complimenting you on your persistence at being the biggest most hate filled d-bag.
Damn..cant even take a compliment. smh
September 24th, 2013 at 12:24 am
there you go!!!
September 24th, 2013 at 12:26 am
You seem awfully curious about my “unit”…. anyways. I am writing a list of who’s next of careers to ruin. Justin Bieber is right up there, Lady Caca to, I cant stand that b!tch. Maybe Oprah?
September 24th, 2013 at 12:28 am
Oprah?? lmao. We finally agree on something!
September 24th, 2013 at 12:32 am
But yeah, I was complimenting you on your persistence at being the biggest most hate filled d-bag.
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I STRONGLY disagree with that statement. I’ll take credit for everything else though
You ever hear of Free’s a boob? What about Robert? Or the Buc Realist? I got nothin on those guys. All my negativity has been directed towards Freeman and only Freeman and my opinion has been strictly about his on the field play as opposed to off of it like the others I just mentioned
September 24th, 2013 at 12:39 am
whatever.
September 24th, 2013 at 12:39 am
holy sht. why am I still here??
September 24th, 2013 at 12:42 am
“Whatever”
That’s all you got to respond with? You must be getting tired. Go cuddle up to your #5 life size teddy bear and have a good night.
September 24th, 2013 at 1:12 am
I am having a hard time understanding the logic behind the “Mike Sullivan s offense doesn’t accent the tight end so we don’t need a good one” way of thinking. Why does a coaches system dictate the amount of weapons that we deploy every week? Isn’t that a huge disadvantage if we don’t take advantage of the tight end position? Didn’t we draft Barron as a top ten pick to neutralize the tight ends that we potentially face and view as a threat? How can we put both values on the tight end position? I see it as a coaches system should bend to meet his players strengths, if he is s good coach. Also, if tight ends are worth a top ten pick to stop, then we should invest in having a weapon on our side as well.
September 24th, 2013 at 1:51 am
“1987 then he needs to get a job as a DC. Then he can run prevent defense and lose games while another HC gets the blame.
I’m a Buc Fan and Schiano is destroying a very talented group of players.”
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End of discussion, everyone drive home safely. Great post as always BigMac!! If people like myself and BigMac are saying Schiano is doing a terrible job, then that’s pretty bad news. Both of us were supportive of Raheem (to a fault) up until the wheels literally fell off. We have done the same with both Schiano and Freeman, but enough is enough. Maybe he’ll turn it around and be the greatest coach in the NFL, but the job he currently is doing is nothing but a big pile of sh!t. Bottom line is he and Dominik screwed up by not bringing in at least average players at critical positions. We literally have the worst TE, slot WR, and QB in the league, hands down. I knew it, you knew it, even my wife knew it, but nothing was done to fix it. People in la la land can blame whoever they want, but that falls on them. To make matters worse, he has been absolutely terrible as a game manager. Worse than Raheem. Yeah, let’s throw 15 yard out routes with 17 seconds left in the first half on our own 30. That’s perfect. Let’s give Drew Brees another opportunity to move the ball against our dog tired defense. Let’s put Leonard Johnson on the other team’s best receiver, and put our $16M corner on a rookie who hasn’t caught a pass yet. Let’s rush 3 and play prevent defense against a rookie QB who hasn’t been able to handle the pressure all day. But as I think about it, that’s not Schiano’s fault. That’s the fault of Sheridan. The times our defense plays well is because of Schiano. When it plays poorly, its because of Sheridan. After all, Schiano is Dungy 2.0 when it comes to defense. He’s also Jon Gruden 2.0 because of the way he deals with players. He’s like 2 Hall of Fame, Super Bowl winning coaches all wrapped up in one. He’s like a super human coach, taking the best traits from the best coaches.
September 24th, 2013 at 2:13 am
I always get insomnia when its football season.
I saw something on Michael Bennett, how he’s already got 2.5 sacks in 3 games and 7 tackles. And his Seahawks are 3-0. Well I did some fckin around, and came up with this GEM of an article from, JBF:
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Bennett explained why he’s skeptical of New Schiano Order tactics and said he doesn’t believe it’s an ideal method for grown men
“The coaches are very different. You know, Coach Schiano is more hard-nosed, military-type guy. And Coach Carroll is so laid back, it gives the guys chances to not be on their back but still coach them at the same time,” Bennett said. “Because I think a lot of players, they’re adults, too, and when you treat them like kids they get offended by that. You know what I mean? Because players, you know, they got their mortgages, they got their kids, they got wives, they got family, they got things they can do.
“So they know it’s their job and they know when they make mistakes. But it’s a coach’s job to keep them honest, you know what I mean. But when a coach is just too much on them, I think the players rebel. Because, you know, they’re going to be like, ’Why is he on me like this? It’s my fifth year in the league. I know more than him.’ Guys are just like, you know, it just becomes a big conflict, I think.”
None of this surprises Joe. However, Joe is troubled hearing it come from Bennett, who is a very level-headed guy. Bennett also appeared to be the textbook Buccaneer Man under Schiano. He was hard-working, versatile and he played through an injury and took on a tremendous number of snaps.
Current Buccaneers surely share Bennett’s attitude. But Joe has no problem with that. You don’t have to love your boss. Numerous hard-nosed NFL coaches have achieved greatness, including Tom Coughlin winning two Super Bowls recently. Schiano’s tactics can work. Joe’s more skeptical of Schiano’s ability as a game-day coach. (You can hear the Bennett audio below.)
https://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=94365
September 24th, 2013 at 2:18 am
@Hawaiian, I’m tired as fck right now, so correct me if Im wrong, but that last part was a bit of sarcasm right?? As far as the rest of it, I couldnt agree more.
September 24th, 2013 at 2:19 am
@Makaveli,
Yes, absolutely sarcasm. Laying it on as thick as I possibly could.
September 24th, 2013 at 2:22 am
Greg, If youre like me and still up right now, really take a good look at that post, and what Bennett is saying.
And just assume that every single player thinks the same way. Then maybe you can re-evaluate your own tactics, and just maybe, save this season.
September 24th, 2013 at 2:27 am
@Makaveli,
Great post about Bennett. The problem is, many fans don’t understand that thought process by Bennett. They don’t understand that these guys are grown men and this is their jobs. They think he has a bad attitude, and fail to realize that this is a business – it’s not a game, not at this level. It’s a game to the fans, but to EVERYONE who is actually employed by the NFL, it is not a game. It’s not college. It’s not high school. There are millions of dollars on the line, and most fans simply fail to understand that. They don’t understand why a 28 year old accomplished NFL player doesn’t want to have a coach come in and treat him like he’s 19. Funny thing is, most of these same guys are the very ones that would never stand for their boss treating them like that. But I guess in their mind, the players should just put up with it because they make so much money. It’s a really stupid and naive way to think about it, but they’ll never get it. Their pop warner coach probably told them to put their toes on the line,so they think that’s the key to success in the NFL. Pretty sure Vince Lombardi didn’t worry about where his players placed their toes.
September 24th, 2013 at 2:28 am
got it. well take it easy Hawaiian. good to know that there are rational fans on JBF like you, Big Mac, WCBF, Kryq.
September 24th, 2013 at 2:29 am
Now the team meeting makes alot more sense. Gregs got alot of soul searching to do if he wants to win back his team.
September 24th, 2013 at 2:32 am
I’m gonna have to repost that article a few more times tomorrow to get it through those thick headed naive fans. And hopefully Greg takes notice too.
September 24th, 2013 at 2:35 am
The toes on the line thing has to be mocked by the players. It’s no different than having a boss that demands that your computer keyboard be lined up precisely with the monitor. He’d say it would help you to be neat and organized, thus producing better results at work. He would also make you wear a wrist brace to prevent carpal tunnel (as Schiano makes the QB’s wear knee braces). You would probably do it if you wanted your job, but you would laugh at it behind his back – because you are a grown arse man that knows that it has absolutely nothing to do with how well you do your job. It’s the exact same thing, and it’s pretty laughable.
September 24th, 2013 at 2:38 am
I think our drop off in defensive production vs NE might have been the first sign of them not buying in anymore.
just a hunch.
September 24th, 2013 at 2:39 am
well take it easy Hawaiian. my azz needs some rest! peace brotha..
September 24th, 2013 at 2:42 am
@Makaveli,
Good luck getting through to 1987. 3 weeks ago, he was in love with Freeman. Now, he’s a Schiano guy through and through. I admire his loyalty, but it’s amazing how blind he is to actual facts. I’m about as positive of a fan as you can possibly be, but even I see that Schiano is doing a horrendous job. I’m not saying to fire him, I’m not saying it’s ALL his fault, but I can’t believe that anyone that has ever watched football and followed this team can’t give him a huge portion of the blame. He’s coaching like a college coach from the Big East. In the NFL, when you have the opportunity, you step on another team’s throat. You don’t play conservative and let them come back and beat you, because the QB’s at this level are actually pretty good. You treat your players like men, and you don’t make them do stupid stuff that has no bearing on their performance. You don’t get rid of players unless you can replace them with someone better. You can stop worrying about what temperature the room is, and start worrying about how you are going to prepare your team in case the headset goes out in the QB’s helmet. All that toes on the line, room temperature, and other meaningless rah-rah crap is fine at Rutgers, but in the NFL you just got to coach the damn team. Hopefully he’ll figure that out before we are 0-10.
September 24th, 2013 at 2:47 am
lmao @ “I admire his loyalty, but it’s amazing how blind he is to actual facts.”
dude is loyal as fck. blind loyalty!
but Ive given him enough sht for turning so quick, but that guy is set.. he wont budge. no matter how much reason you make. he’s got some kind of reasoning deflection force field around him.
September 24th, 2013 at 2:59 am
^LMAO, that he does. The force is strong in that one.
September 24th, 2013 at 6:08 am
Hawaii 50 Buc19lazy7 and Crackaveli the Con Yall some b!tch bots. Everyday!
50 you grammer cop you bit a chunk off what I said on joes article about doug martin. The one where he is trying to catch that pass over Hightower. Stole my post he just worded it diffrent you fudge boy. Go back and check that 87. YOU SLUGS!
Yall show favor to your homer posters then bite my style while calling me stupid.
Fakes
September 24th, 2013 at 6:16 am
I hope your buddy miguel is reading this!
September 24th, 2013 at 6:43 am
Can I get a translation on whatever the hell Sacbucs just said? And what is a b!tch bot? Fudge boy? I think you’ve been dropped on your head about 25 times too many.
September 24th, 2013 at 6:45 am
Even Aqib Talib thinks your grammar is messed up.
September 24th, 2013 at 6:54 am
Schiano radio addresses are beyong ridiculous at this point. It doesn’t take 2 years to fill your roster. It takes commitment which the Bucs front office has none of. Does Schiano realize he is year 2 WTF. This is NOT ever going to change until there is an entirely new GM and coach with NFL caliber scouting.
September 24th, 2013 at 7:49 am
I was listening to the radio segment when Schiano had the “load the roster” comment. I think Schiano was originally referencing the depth of the roster. That was my interpretation anyway. I hope he wasn’t talking about the caliber of starting talent. If that’s the case, what does he want? A team full of Hall of Fame players?
Schiano has talent to work with. It’s up to him and his coaching staff to maximize the talent. At this point, the results aren’t convincing.
September 24th, 2013 at 9:30 am
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September 24th, 2013 at 9:45 am
Thx HawaiianBuc brother, I’m with you as usual and great post.
Now it’s Tuesday and I’m 2 days removed, much calmer and not upset. I do hope we beat the Cards and didn’t want to sound otherwise. I just hope Schiano is listening and turns it around, or the Glazers make a move ASAP.
We have totally supported the guy but he makes more excuses than _______ and has a reason/excuse for everything, none of which are good enough. Results is all that matters and he needs to learn that now.
Schiano says he is working 75-80 hour weeks, but I don’t see it. I honestly am starting to think he lies about things and I don’t trust anything he says. I’m just a fan and can only imagine what his players think. Watching Sunday, I totally believe Schiano has lost the team, locker room, coaches and the entire shootin-match.
Nevertheless, I’m still hanging with the team, hoping for a turnaround, but definitely not holding my breath.
September 24th, 2013 at 12:55 pm
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