Tim Tebow Over Josh Freeman
August 15th, 2013
In one of Joe’s worst, diabolical nightmares, an opposing team led by misplaced fullback/quarterback Tim Tebow leads said team to victory over the Bucs and roundly outplays Bucs franchise quarterback Josh Freeman.
(This nightmare isn’t as bad as the one Joe has experienced prior: a world without beer.)
Coincidentally, Joe read the Twitter feed of Woody Cummings of the Tampa Tribune who, from Bucs-Patriots joint practice in Foxborough yesterday posted this most unsettling information.
@RCummingsTBO: The most effective QB wearing the number 5 out here today has been Tim Tebow. By a mile. Not a good day for Josh Freeman
Joe had to do a double-take. Joe thought, naively perhaps, that Freeman may have put his Six Flags days behind him. The past two weeks he had been mostly exceptional. But to be roundly outplayed by Tebow of all people, Freeman must have hit rock bottom.
Yes, Joe did think Freeman had gotten past this. But maybe this is just who Freeman is and who fans can and should expect. Six Flags. The highest of highs, and then getting shamed by Tebow, if you can imagine such a thing.
Let’s hope that big ol’ rollercoaster gets stuck at its peak.
August 15th, 2013 at 7:15 am
Call me Thomas, because I highly doubt it…What is it with the Tampa press, (first it’s the TAMPA press; What couldn’t get hired on in a bigger market?) I don’t think I’ve read one beat writer ever actually write anything positive about this team, and if they do, it’s quickly followed by a snarky comment in the next paragraph. I’m in a media market where NFL franchise has literally sucked the Jets bathwater with a straw for years, that how bad they are, but you’d never know it watching or reading the local press.
August 15th, 2013 at 7:19 am
All running backs look good in practice because you’re not allowed to hit them.
August 15th, 2013 at 7:22 am
We’ll see in tonight’s preseason game.
Just remember winner know how to win and influence those around them to win too.
Tebow is 1-1 in the playoffs
Freeman is 0-0 in the playoffs.
Just think we could have had Tebow on the team for next to nothing when we picked up Revis!
August 15th, 2013 at 7:29 am
mr lucky tebow will be out of nfl in a year, then he can be a winner in the arena league.
August 15th, 2013 at 7:35 am
@Mr Lucky:
The game is tomorrow night.
August 15th, 2013 at 7:38 am
@mr lucky
Why would we want Timmy Te-blow?
August 15th, 2013 at 7:48 am
@Mr Lucky
What? Lol.
August 15th, 2013 at 7:50 am
@Mr Lucky
You seriously just compared Tebow to Revis, I have to clean my monitor ’cause I just spit a mouthful of coffee on it…
If, and it’s a big IF, you ever had any credibility, it’s gone….forever
August 15th, 2013 at 7:55 am
Tebow is a good football player and was widely considered the best football player ever in college. It’s possible his game has improved since with the patriots this offseason. Hate him all you want but the guy is a winner. It is not a reflection on Freeman if Tebow beats the bucs defense. That’s a reflection on the bucs defense. Conversely if Freeman can’t beat the pats D that is a reflection on their D. Stop with all the Tebow and Freeman hate. Besides it is just practice.
August 15th, 2013 at 8:21 am
I haven’t seen any practice notes from yesterday on any of the Bucs outlets that I frequent. The writers at the Tampa bay times are perpetually cynical and overly critical of the Bucs because they feel that’s how they get a rise out of their readers to get people to there site. That’s one of the big reasons i frequent Joe Bucs fan, because there is also focus on good things and stories beyond freeman and Bowers about people working hard or doing good in the community.
August 15th, 2013 at 8:30 am
Tebow sucks as a QB, period. NE may be his last gig. I’m sure we’ll see plenty of him on Friday. Cummings “interpretation” of how the two QB’s compared is meaningless. IMO he is frequently off the mark.
August 15th, 2013 at 8:35 am
Dudes, PRACTICE . . . we’re talking about PRACTICE! lol All players have good days and bad days of practice depending on the circumstances. Let’s hold off on the “six flags” talk until after the real games start and see how he does then.
August 15th, 2013 at 8:40 am
I wish i could read about practice instead of opinions and tom brady.
August 15th, 2013 at 8:52 am
Oh tequila, I turn to you like a long lost friend.
August 15th, 2013 at 8:55 am
It seems the fans commenting on here are SO much more grounded than Roy Cummings, the Tribune’s NFL beat writer! C’mon already with this nonsense, now we should all get into a panic because the Tribune’s lone beat writer brings us the news that Tebow has just outplayed Freeman in a scrimmage that means absolutely NOTHING, way to go Roy, you just proved to us all that it doesn’t take much to be a beat writer for a metro newspaper which really says a lot for print media, please work on bringing us some REAL news will ya?
August 15th, 2013 at 8:58 am
Perhaps, according to Cumming’s stupid asinine comment, we should trade Freeman for Tebow? I’m with the rest of the other posters here. Why does our local media keep slamming the Bucs? Cummings had to know by saying that, it would be controversial, but he did it anyway.
Let me reverse it a little. Do you think the NE media is constantly taking verbal misguided swipes at the Patriots. No, because they respect Kraft. Do you think that NE would happily trade Tebow for Freeman? Yes, without a second thought.
August 15th, 2013 at 9:01 am
@DallasBuc
According to Jim Miller ex-QB and host of SiriusXM’s Red Zone, who has seen Tebow during camp, Tebow’s mechanics are worse than they were last year.
August 15th, 2013 at 9:10 am
Why does everyone think Freeman will be better because he is in the same system this year?
It’s his awful mechanics, which is the primary cause for his accuracy issues and the ongoing mental lapses.
He’s the same guy we drafted.
August 15th, 2013 at 9:17 am
Alright, I was there yesterday with about 5 to 6,000 Patriot fans and not one of them was impressed with anything Tebow brought to the table yesterday. He went out there for maybe 3 2 minute drills and one led to a TD. (and that was after he had a turnover on that same drive, but they let them continue). In one on one drills (wr vs cb) he was atrocious, with no accuracy whatsoever. Yes Josh struggled quite a bit (especially in the 2 minute drill) but to say Tebow out played him is a false statement.
August 15th, 2013 at 9:19 am
heard Rick Stroud this morning mention that JF5 struggled yesterday because of constant pressure up the middle being allowed by our back up guards that can’t block.
Go back to last season and Freeman started struggling after Nicks went down. If we don’t have Nicks and Joseph, he’ll go six flags on us again this season.
August 15th, 2013 at 9:23 am
so, now Freeman is on a roller coaster because he had a rough day of practice against another defense which is basically his 1st non bucs competition?? Its articles like this that get all the idiots stirred up. Freeman better learn to be perfect because he will be ambushed after his first missed pass.
August 15th, 2013 at 9:24 am
Regular season needs to start already.
August 15th, 2013 at 9:25 am
Sully has designs to move Freeman’s launch point. PFF had him ranked in the bottom 5 for batted balls.
You can blame some of it on the guards, but Freeman doesn’t read and release quickly.
Still telegraphs plays and stares his primary target down too.
August 15th, 2013 at 9:26 am
This Tebow/Freeman debate is pure nonsense. Freeman is ours and Tebow is theirs and thats the way it is.
A bad day in practice is no more important than a good day in practice….they both happen. Lets wait & see our real team on Sept 8th.
August 15th, 2013 at 9:29 am
Jvato24
Freeman is on a roller coaster because of inconsistent play.
It’s been years dude.
Same old.
Same old.
Try not to dribble beer on your Free jersey.
August 15th, 2013 at 9:30 am
@Biff Barker
So in keeping true with the context of this article, and with your public disdain for Freeman, you think the Bucs should trade Freeman for Tebow? Or is it you just couldn’t resist and took this opportunity to stick more forks in Freeman? …unbelievable.
August 15th, 2013 at 9:36 am
Strummer- who cares?…my point was that Tebow is a winner and he beat our defense, not Freeman. And it was practice. What’s your point?
August 15th, 2013 at 9:49 am
Media and joe just trying to gain public interest. Typical. Nothing to see here. Just another post to get all the fans bickering about their opinions. I can’t wait till week 1.
August 15th, 2013 at 9:54 am
What’s next, is Cummings going to right that Schiano said Freeman was “brutal” yesterday?
August 15th, 2013 at 9:55 am
write…. guess I should start working for the Trib
August 15th, 2013 at 10:00 am
I often wonder how many bar fights get started down there, that begin with a freeman debate. Like if realist and 1987 met in bar and started talking about the team, then it quickly escalates into a brawl. Or even in walmart or jiffy lube. chucking salsa jars at eachother. These are the things I day dream about. Total anarchy in the Bay when Freeman is mentioned out-loud in public
August 15th, 2013 at 10:06 am
Thoroughly off-topic, but were any PFT watchers out there pissed when Kuselias and Florio first incorrectly reported emphatically that Revis was not going to play in the pre-season (which the team never stated), and then basically called the team liars when Dominik said he may play in week three?
August 15th, 2013 at 10:29 am
We have the worst beat writers of any city. They always overreact any negatives and downplay the positives. Also, I wouldn’t trust Roy Cummings’ to evaluate any talent.
August 15th, 2013 at 10:32 am
WAIT! Is Roy Cummings a Gator fan?
August 15th, 2013 at 10:36 am
I often wonder how many bar fights get started down there, that begin with a freeman debate. Like if realist and 1987 met in bar and started talking about the team, then it quickly escalates into a brawl. Or even in walmart or jiffy lube. chucking salsa jars at eachother. These are the things I day dream about. Total anarchy in the Bay when Freeman is mentioned out-loud in public
Chef Paul….roflmao. I crack up a lot when my name gets mentioned in here. Chef that’s friggin hilarious!
August 15th, 2013 at 10:41 am
Biff “Sully has designs to move Freeman’s launch point.”
That would be a good idea. Move him around a lot back there so defenders are kept off balance, and even if he is staring down a certain target it will be hard to tell which one it is. They’ll fix him Biff.
August 15th, 2013 at 10:46 am
Tim Tebow outplays JF….. Nothing shocking about that if you’ve been paying any attention to JF play… If it were possible for just anyone to make it to “elite” QB status then the NFL history would not be so filled with busts…. It is a possibility that JF has played his best football!
August 15th, 2013 at 10:46 am
Anyone that has any questions about Roy Cummings or Freeman vs Teblow need to scroll up and ask this guy Nick B he was there too.
August 15th, 2013 at 10:52 am
Roy Cummings also told us the other day that Brady was picking the Bucs DB’s to school. Then Joe posts an article about N.E. media contradicting what Roy had to say. OMG I’m seriously going to skip over anything Joe posts on here with the name Roy Cummings in it.
Couch Fan and WestCoast will be in here soon and this thread will balloon to over 150 comments.
August 15th, 2013 at 10:54 am
Hey Biff why dont you enlighten me how many qbs have been to the probowl by 24??
Im just sayin lets judge Freeman in the Reg season, not practice
August 15th, 2013 at 10:58 am
Freeman to me isn’t going to shake those roller coaster rides. He’s always been up and down and 2 weeks of solid practice without bullets flying isn’t going to change that considering josh is terrible under pressure.
August 15th, 2013 at 11:00 am
Cummings says one thing and the NE media says something totally opposite. Nuff said.
August 15th, 2013 at 11:01 am
@Dallas
“Strummer- who cares?…my point was that Tebow is a winner and he beat our defense, not Freeman. And it was practice. What’s your point?”
Again, according to people who know, Tebow has not gotten any better, and he actually seems to have regressed after his year with Sexy Rexy and the J-E-T-S, Jets, Jets, Jets…As far as beating our D, he did it once and that was after he had already turned the ball over during the set of downs. Timmy just needs to admit to himself what even the most casual of fans seems to know, he’s not an NFL caliber QB.
August 15th, 2013 at 11:03 am
Tebow and Gosh are mirror images of each other as far as mechanics. Tebow is not afraid to run and is a lot smarter than the Buc QB.
If the Bucs were to trade, Mallet would be the one. I would gladly trade Gosh for him.
If Nicks, Joseph and Revis don’t make miraculous recoveries, it will be another last place finish for the former Rutger’s coach. Then the correct move would be to tank the season for a shot at Jadaveon Clowney and hire a real NFL coach.
August 15th, 2013 at 11:05 am
Maybe you should get that Jeff guy to line up all the Tampa Reporters just to punch them in the face.
August 15th, 2013 at 11:06 am
And im not seeing where all this “hate” is coming from. All the man said was Tebow was better than Freeman on that particular day.
All the Freeman groupies get there panties in a bunch when anything negative comes out about their boy. Just sad…
August 15th, 2013 at 11:12 am
Buc1987 thinks Freeman has shown a lot of improvement in the offseason. You know who’s in my corner to back me up on this?
Schiano, McNulty, Sullivan and Dominik. I think Buc1987 is in good company. As for the rest of you doubters, meh why bother with ya?
August 15th, 2013 at 11:18 am
Now let’s get the WestCoast and Walter vs.Couch Fan and Stevek tag team match going and this thread will take off to over 200 comments.
August 15th, 2013 at 11:20 am
Keep reminding yourself of that when regular season comes around.
August 15th, 2013 at 11:22 am
It was just 1 practice, i see no need to defend or jump on Freeman for just 1 day of practice. This is silly and way to much over reaction because of Stroud’s opinion of that particular practice. Makes me laugh.
August 15th, 2013 at 11:22 am
Freeman going in to a panic under pressure is old news. Just about about every poster here has said that for 3 years. Put him under pressure and he is like a cat that see’s it self in a mirror for the first time.
August 15th, 2013 at 12:04 pm
I don’t have to remind myself Couch Fan I’m sure you’ll be here to do it for me right?
August 15th, 2013 at 12:07 pm
You do enough talking to yourself as it is. I’m sure you dont need my help. Lol
August 15th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
funny thing about pressuring the QB, Tom Brady doesn’t look so hot when he’s under duress.
Not saying JF5 is anywhere near Brady’s level but there isn’t an offense in the NFL that’s efficient with constant QB pressure, especially up the middle
August 15th, 2013 at 12:11 pm
Seriously though, it seems lately with every article that comes out, “The sky is falling”… Nicks, Joseph, Bowers, now josh havin a bad day… a lot of over reaction in the bay these days.
August 15th, 2013 at 12:20 pm
Seriously though, it seems lately with every article that comes out, “The sky is falling”… Nicks, Joseph, Bowers, now josh havin a bad day… a lot of over reaction in the bay these days.
^^^ yup
I’ll let Freeman prove my points, Schiano, Dom’s and Sully’s too. That have been made over the summer on the field this season. I won’t need to remember a dayum thing that was said by me. I’ll just remember what the doubters said. Hell some of them are saved in My Documents.
August 15th, 2013 at 2:09 pm
Yeah. Wow.
1)Again, Freeman’s guards are out. We saw the marked change in Josh’s play once Carl & Davin left last year. Nothing to see here. It’s just sad we’re paying so much money to two guys seemingly made out of paper. IMO, Nicks is too big & Davin is too small.
2)Tebow took over the 2nd worst team, & the next year had them in the playoffs. Freeman took over the 17th worst team, & in 5 years still hasn’t made the playoffs. I like going straight chalk with my QBs, so I think Freeman right now is a better player (79.8 for Freeman vs 75.3 for Tebow)…but I’m not sure how you look at a difference in 4 points in the ratings & a disparity in winning %, & think Freeman needs a 50 million dollar deal & Tebow needs to be kicked out of the league.
August 15th, 2013 at 2:12 pm
Given Freeman’s impending free agency status, you can easily see a scenario where the Bucs part ways if Freeman has a poor year and sign a veteran QB to come in and compete with a 2014 draftee and Glennon. Tebow seems to fit that mold; he’d move the needle and he’d have the Bellicheck seal of approval, something Schiano values. You have to think Tebow is looking at this week as important to both his 2013 job prospects (he hasn’t made the Pats yet) but also his 2014 prospects. Tampa Bay has more UF graduates than Jax, the usual destination people assign to him.
August 15th, 2013 at 2:19 pm
Tebow made one pass, the Denver D is what got them to the playoffs…please stop talking about L’il Timmy like he’s a real NFL caliber starting QB, he’s not, not by any measure, if he was he’d still be on Denver’s roster listed as the number one QB. Going back to last season, only the teams that did not have a valid number 1 starter we’re interested in Manning, Denver was on the top of that list, Elway, one of the ELITIEST OF THE ELITE QBs jettisoned Timmy as soon as he could. That right there should tell you something, damn, for Christ’s sake he couldn’t beat out Sanchez for the job in NY.
August 15th, 2013 at 2:39 pm
I don’t know why Tebow wouldn’t be a great backup on a read option offense. If Wilson went down in Seattle, Tebow should be able to pick it up fairly easy. The read option would utilize his limited skill set. Running the ball is his biggest asset. He may not be as accurate a passer as Wilson or RGIII but that type offense fits his skill set better. He’s not a true pocket passer like Braid-y and he certainly doesn’t fit that type of mold to operate that kind of system.
August 15th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
I didn’t read all of the comments, but joe stummer, I believe mr. lucky was saying we could have got Revis and Tebow !!!!!!!
August 15th, 2013 at 2:49 pm
@BUCSLEGENDS
I wouldn’t take on the Tebow circus if UF offered to still pay his salary
August 15th, 2013 at 4:55 pm
Tebow went 4-12 for for 55 yards. Not last year…last week!!
August 15th, 2013 at 5:06 pm
If Tebow ever puts on a Bucs jersey I will vomit pretty much every time I see him in it. It may also be bad for my eyes too like staring at a light bulb or the sun.
August 15th, 2013 at 5:49 pm
I’m with you on Tebow never putting on a Bucs jersey !!!!!!! I was just clarifying mr.luckys comment.
August 15th, 2013 at 7:08 pm
Strummer…how dare you disparage a great man with your uninformed opinion…& I mean Joe, not Tim ;o)
*Denver’s defense ranked 24th in 2011*…how the hell did that get them to the playoffs. Please explain.
& Tebow sure helped get Denver to the playoffs, especially since they were the 2nd worst team before he started in 2011. & once he got there, he threw for 316 yards against the #1 pass defense. So you’re saying he threw one pass for 316 yards?
& John Elway didn’t draft Tim Tebow, & Peyton Manning magically came upon the free agent market…every GM including Tebow himself would take a veteran Peyton Manning over a green Tim Tebow.
& Elway is high-end elite? He has a QB rating 5 whole points above your bum Tebow, & had a worse rating thru Tebow’s level of experience (16 starts).
& if you’re gonna defend your point with “He couldn’t beat out Sanchez”…of course not, Sanchez was drafted #5 overall by that coach, won a few playoff games for that coach, was given 40 million last year by that coach, & has his # tattooed on that coach’s skin. Tebow would have to be an Elway/Manning hybrid to even think of beating all that out. The vitriol this guy get is astonishing, & it’s usually from guys who have exactly zero facts to base it on (other than 47%).
August 16th, 2013 at 12:41 pm
Look, it’s really simple. GMs will sign just about anyone who is not currently incarcerated. Tebow sells jerseys and brings in all sorts of extra viewers. If were even servicable, he would be starting somewhere.
And please put the glue down, putting Tebow and Elway in the same sentence is tantamount to brain damage. I don’t care what the QB rating says. If you ever actually watched those guys play (did you?), it’s clear which one is an ALL TIME great NFL QB, and one that is an ALL TIME great college player with no business behind center in a passing league.