Hard To Pass Up A Defensive Lineman
April 19th, 2013
Would Utah defensive tackle Star Lotulelei be enough to make Bucs general manager Mark Dominik to briefly forget the gaping holes at corner?
Joe knows Bucs fans are hoarse from screaming for Bucs rock star general mananger Mark Dominik to draft a corner with the No. 13 pick. Their hands are bruised and raw from slamming their fists on bars so much and so hard.
And Joe understands their cries.
But with the Bucs thin as the toilet paper at the Stadium on Dale Mabry Highway on the defensive line, Stephen Holder of the Tampa Bay Times believes Dominik must think twice about not drafting a defensive lineman at No. 13. There should be talented linemen available, so Holder typed in a Bucs chat today on his newspaper’s site today.
Comment From Guest: Any thoughts on d-linemen they’re looking at in the draft?
Stephen F. Holder: Yes… I think a really good one could fall to the Bucs, and then they’d have a tough decision to make (e.g. Star Loutelelei). That’s a deep position at the top of the draft.
IF the Bucs think there’s not much dropoff to the corners available in the second round, I think you could see them put the corners on hold and grab a stud DL with No. 13. That helps the secondary to an extent anyway, so the logic makes sense.
Sure the Bucs need a corner. Desperately in fact. But Holder’s argument surely holds water. And if the Bucs get a guy who can rush the passer consistently at No. 13, shouldn’t that help out the beleaguered secondary?
Joe sure senses a tough decision for Dominik Thursday night.
April 19th, 2013 at 3:29 pm
A stud playing next to mccoy would make our secondary look a lot better
April 19th, 2013 at 3:32 pm
Star is the only D Lineman who should even be in consideration for the #13 pick…besides Rhodes and Eifert…and possibly Austin but I doubt it.
April 19th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
i’m looking forward to seeing what our d-line can do when healthy for a whole season playing together. whoever they can get to line up next to McCoy will only make the rest of the line that much better…
inb4 stevek’s proclamation of “playoffs or bust”
Go Bucs!!!
April 19th, 2013 at 3:45 pm
Star or Richardson at 13, then (maybe trading back up to) nab a CB I think serves us better in the long run. I’m all for Revis, I just think it’s (rumored) to cost too much.
April 19th, 2013 at 3:46 pm
This guy is a STUD. If Bucs could get him at #13, it would be a steal. I know it’s a deep DT draft, but this guy is by far the best.
April 19th, 2013 at 3:47 pm
I watch 10 or more mocks every few days and I’ve noticed that everybody has been mocking Shariff Floyd to the Raiders. This week that is not happening, Lotulelei is rising and Floyd is falling. I saw two mocks where the Bucs passed him up. Star is not going to be there at 13. But if Floyd was there, would the Bucs pass on him? I thought he was pretty good. And of course, the mocks can have it wrong!
April 19th, 2013 at 3:53 pm
Celly,
Thanks for the shout out. 🙂
I am all for drafting the BPA, Star, Ansah, Richardson, Austin, etc…
Playoffs in 2013 is going to happen for the Bucs! We are destined for a top 6 finish in the NFC, we can do it!
April 19th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
Finally some sense! I have been a believer of keeping the 1st round pick and getting DL line. Look back at Sapp days, we had no name corners who got a name due to the D line. Once the DB’s left Tampa for greener pastures they flopped since the Dline was not the same (See D Abraham, D Swmith, D Jack). If our D line is disruptive it iwll force the QB to throw in less than 3 sec instead of the current time where they get to check their texts and then throw the ball.
April 19th, 2013 at 4:12 pm
SteveK- man, I hope you are right about the playoffs.
With a top 15 pick-it is never a bad idea to draft QBs,DT,DE,and left tackles- they are hard to get.
I hope we get a Great DT or CB with the first pick. As desperate as we are for a TE- Tyler Eifert isn’t a bad idea, either.
April 19th, 2013 at 4:14 pm
We’re not “desperate” for a TE. but we could definitely use an upgrade.
April 19th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
TE isn’t valued in our offense – doubt it happens, I would be shocked.
Not saying we can’t use one, just saying it isn’t going to happen…not at #13
April 19th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
Too many more pressing needs to take a TE in round one. Address other needs then use a 3rd or so on escobar or one of the other top rated TEs. Just too many other holes to justify taking Eifert
April 19th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
I’m on board with this idea and it makes total sense. D tackle at 13 to shore up the line and help the secondary with pass rush. I wouldn’t mind trading back with Vikings if we can get their 1’st and 2’nd picks for 13. I don’t think they will give up 23 & 25. I’m sure others are saying this, sorry for repeat.
Happy Friday Everybody.
April 19th, 2013 at 4:52 pm
Good points Tim and Celly,
Corner backs and tight ends are deep in this draft. We are strongly at a position of: trading for Revis (better than any draft pick this year, draft a top 10 talent that falls to 13, or trade back and acquire a ton of picks just go crazy on the TE, CB, and BPA talent remaning.
If we don’t land Revis, than we better draft Tyrann Mathieu in the 3rd, this year’s Janoris Jenkins..
I wouldn’t mind grabbing a LB early, if it falls that way. Foster could easily move back to SLB or remain at MLB.
Thank goodness for LaVonte David, we now have a solid player on the D-Line: GMC, and in the LBing corps: David.
Now, we have Goldson and Barron.
We should really throw in all our chips for Revis. We are damn close to making some noise. It would be a darn shame to not trade for Revis, keep the cap space, and then miss the playoffs.
We need to go for it, on Revis. Listen to Mike Mayock, dude knows football and “team”.
I promise it will be worth it to trade for Revis. We are ignorant, naive, and too damn proud to admit we need Revis. We suck, our owners have sucked (so much that the NFL had to change salary cap rules), and we are blacked out.
We are at the bottom of the barrel, my friends. It is time to wake the eff up and make this trade for Revis.
Trading for Revis would also let us figure out what we have with Josh Freeman. Having a servicable D to support him will allow for “no excuses” for inconsistencies. We can see if Freeman is a playoff QB with a serviceable defense. I think he can do it, but where he wants to do it is the question. To be an NFL QB (from my damn couch), it takes the utmost dedication, determination, and team awareness to be successful. Either you are “all-in” or your suck, there is no middle ground.
Josh Freeman looks like a winner, does he believe in himself to take the next step with some consistency?
If not, we can draft a “youngry” QB in the later rounds.
April 19th, 2013 at 5:10 pm
@stevek
If Dom did whatever it takes to get Revis then what happens when he tears an ACL in the first pre season game? Then what? We have no other help because we mortgaged the future on one guy and didn’t have the opportunity to draft depth. I know you think Dom botched free agency despite all the players he picked up but there is obviously a plan in place for him not to pursue a known need position. It is just not clear right now so it is hard to say anything other than to have a little faith.
I want Revis too, just not at the “any cost” level that you do.
Lets just wait and see how the draft shakes out first. Getting Revis now as opposed to later (before training camp) doesn’t make much of a difference.
April 19th, 2013 at 5:15 pm
I’m on board with this. There is a good chance either a DT or a DE will be the best player there when we pick. We shouldn’t reach out of need.
April 19th, 2013 at 5:17 pm
West Coast Bucs Fan,
Simple solution: Revis, CLayborn,and Joseph sit out the pre-season. New Buc rule, no pre-season comebacks from ligament/tendon tears.
If your ligaments or tendons get re-tore, it better be in meaningful football.
April 19th, 2013 at 5:17 pm
Floyd and Star will both be long gone well before pick number 13, but it will not matter, so will our number 13 pick.
Revis is a once in every 10 years player, and we will lock him up this year.
But, it is fun to speculate:)
April 19th, 2013 at 5:23 pm
@stevek
I like it! Actually, I love it! If that happens then by all means, go balls out for Revis. Three first rounders if necessary!
I feel your pain though. To lose Bowers and Joseph before they ever played a snap of real football really hurt. I dropped an “out-loud” F-bomb at work when I read the diagnosis for Joseph the next day. Then Clayborn goes down then Nicks soon followed early in the season. All that potential that was never realized…
April 19th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
Star Loutelelei? Hmmmm Gains Adams somehow comes to mind! What da hell, Draft him. He should last at least as long as Shiano will! (Two more seasons)
April 19th, 2013 at 5:50 pm
Need a new gm
April 19th, 2013 at 6:23 pm
Can’t wait for the draft to put all this speculation to rest. Last year at this time, we were all arguing over Trent Richardson and Morris Claiborne. Can’t wait to see what crazy stuff happens. Most likely it will be something none of us have even thought of!
April 19th, 2013 at 7:02 pm
SteveK- lol- now that’s a great idea! Sit on the bench, til the games count!! Lol
April 19th, 2013 at 8:28 pm
I’ve warmed to the idea of picking either Lotulelei or Richardson if they are there. I don’t think there’s much chance of Star being there when we pick, I wouldn’t be suprised if Richardson is gone too though.
We’ll either have to trade up to get who we want or reach for a need. The only other option is to hope for a trade partner and move back a few picks. I personally don’t think Trufant is much of a reach at 13, others will disagree. I still think we’ll ultimately end up going CB-DT-CB-TE. I won’t say which round because I think we’ll be moving up and down in the first 3 rounds, but I think that’s the order we’ll take those positions because that’s where I think the value=need.
April 19th, 2013 at 11:48 pm
Please draft in first round Defensive tackle or if geno smith is still there draft him.. please!
April 20th, 2013 at 12:27 am
@braheem
RIP Gaines Adams….but to compare a DE to a DT like star is ignorant.if he’s at 13, take him no matter what even if revis trade is on the table.you don’t pass up potential like that.all other players,Austin, cbs or eiffert are expendable at 13
April 20th, 2013 at 12:28 am
Definitely aren’t grabbing geno or any other qbs in the first three rnds
April 20th, 2013 at 7:29 am
Been saying this for weeks. Star and Hayden would be the bomb. Schematic changes too.
Generate pressure without all the BS stunting.
The best way counter Brees, Ryan and Cam is to put them on the ground.
April 20th, 2013 at 8:42 am
IMO DT should be the priority in this draft. We can collect 4 corners in rounds 3-7, but with that #1 we should be taking a DT that can finally help McCoy become the manbeast he so clearly is.
Don’t reach with the pick, thats all i’m saying.
April 20th, 2013 at 10:01 am
braheem, you’re lower than whale sh1t for making that comment!!!
April 20th, 2013 at 9:15 pm
B.P.A. @ a position of need (DT)