Would Bucs Pass On Dee Milliner At No. 13?
April 11th, 2013
Ahh, the silliness of draft season. This year is one of the most unpredictable in years. Joe loves it, but it can be maddening.
Russ Lande worked in scouting for the Rams and Browns, and he’s media now pumping out draft stuff for NationalFootballPost.com. In a recent mock draft Lande pegged cornerback Dee Milliner falling to the Bucs at No. 13 and the Bucs snatching him. But in his latest prognostication, Lande believes Milliner will fall even farther because the Bucs will go defensive tackle.
12. Miami Dolphins: Cornell Carradine, DE, Florida State, Senior: As the Dolphins continue making the move to a 43 defense they must find a pass rusher who can play opposite Cameron Wake. Despite tearing his left ACL in November, Carradine is expected to be ready for the start of the 2013 season and should make a big impact opposite Wake.
13. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Sharrif Floyd, DT, Florida, Junior: Gerald McCoy is in the verge of becoming a superstar, but the Buccaneers need someone next to him after losing Roy Miller in free agency and having Brian Price’s injuries end his time in Tampa. Floyd is a strong and explosive interior force who would give the Bucs four excellent young defensive linemen for the future.
Sure, the odds of the Bucs going defensive tackle are good, especially after DaQuan Bowers escaped the wrath of the New York City penal system this morning.
But would the Bucs really pass on Milliner at No. 13? Joe wouldn’t wager on that happening; Lande has Milliner going to Pittsburgh at No. 17.
If the Bucs did find themselves with Milliner on the board at No. 13, Joe suspects they’d find a willing trade-down partner and make that move.
April 11th, 2013 at 2:07 pm
I would agree they would trade back, but not far.
DL is the pick, Richardson, Star, or Shariff.
April 11th, 2013 at 2:10 pm
Id rather see the Bucs grab Shariff Floyd over Millner. Floyd has that aggressive/athletic style just like GMC. The thought of those two inside with Bowers and Clayborn on the edges is flat out scary. Establish your line for years to come and worry about the secondary/linebackers with the rest of the draft. I think you focus on all defense this draft and only grab an offensive player if he’s a steal in whichever round it might be.
With that said I think this guy’s draft is way off and neither Floyd or Millner will be there assuming the Bucs stay at 13.
April 11th, 2013 at 2:20 pm
it doesnt matter anyway cuz Milliner will be off the board long before we pick. i say put a package together thats not as steep as the package for Revis and trade up to draft Milliner, i know thats a long shot but until draft day is over i can wish. BUC IT IM OUT!!!!!!!!!!!
April 11th, 2013 at 2:23 pm
OMG this guy is way off….3QB’s in the top ten?? Austin at 6?? Both FSU ends in top 12??
April 11th, 2013 at 2:26 pm
LOL all you have to see is that Lande has Tank Carradine going ahead of Sharrif Floyd to know it is a pile of manure. Slow news day?
I’m sure I can find some darts, we can throw them onto guys projected to go in the 1st round and talk about what it would be like if those players actually were picked where the darts landed and have just as much fun. “The New England dart landed on Geno Smith…now who are the Pats going to trade Tom Brady to?!”
April 11th, 2013 at 2:35 pm
I hate this time of the year with all of the predraft scenarios.
April 11th, 2013 at 2:36 pm
It’s extremely unlikely that Milliner or Floyd will be available at 13, and it’s downright impossible they would both be there at 13.
If I needed to make the pick in that Fantasy Land of a draft, and assuming no other Top 5 likely prospects fell, I would take Floyd over Milliner too.
April 11th, 2013 at 2:37 pm
LOL Floyld will be gone in the first 10 picks 100% most likely top 5.
April 11th, 2013 at 2:44 pm
Shariff Floyd won’t get out of the top ten. That’s almost laughable. But Dee Milliner staring the Bucs in the face and they don’t get him? WOW, just wow.
April 11th, 2013 at 2:45 pm
I think Jeff is on the money. First need is a pass rush. Any of those 3 DTs could be a huge help on the DL.
April 11th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
Thanks Joe! A nonsensical draft article that we can laugh or yell about that doesn’t feature Fatty Small Hands King!!!
April 11th, 2013 at 2:56 pm
Joe, usually Freeman puts together some sort of training program for the team in the off season. Have you heard word of anything happening this year?
April 11th, 2013 at 3:04 pm
Trade next years 1st and 2nd for millner and draft a DT this year then were set!
April 11th, 2013 at 3:05 pm
I would be estatic is floyd fell to us but doubt it
April 11th, 2013 at 3:11 pm
I don’t think Milliner or Floyd will be there at #13. If Milliner is there, I wouldn’t be surprised if Dominik trades down, per the article. Dominik likes extra draft picks and the top of the first round is fairly weak. It’s probably more likely they draft a defensive lineman with the 13th pick if they stay put.
April 11th, 2013 at 3:13 pm
Stranger things have happened but I can’ t see either being there.
Rare that so many here agree.
BPA, if it is a tossup, go DL.
April 11th, 2013 at 3:27 pm
Cornell Carradine? You mean the same guy “Tank” or “Cornelius”? Looks like Lande isn’t doing his homework but merely throwing darts at the wall.
Milner being there is a stretch, Milner and Floyd being there is ludicrous. Lande has lost about 80 mph off his fastball since leaving the NFL.
April 11th, 2013 at 3:38 pm
@Nate
that’s a horrible trade…
April 11th, 2013 at 3:40 pm
Heck, I never would have believed they could be stupid enough to pass on ( soon to be perennial all star) Mo Claibourne! But sure enough- we draft a Safety that can’t cover- and Boom!! Cellar dwelling AGAIN.
So, yeah- I absolutely expect dim would pass on Miliner. He only drafts extremely fragile CBs ( Mommies boy Myron -rd 3) in the first 5 rounds. He prefers to draft CBs in the 6th and 7th round. They will suck, and fail. But at least then he doesn’t have to hear us call them bust! 6 or 7 th rd picks are supposed to suck.
The guy can’t draft or appraise CBs. If he doesn’t draft a DT on the first round( probably one that is injured- his other trade mark), then he will draft another damn safety
April 11th, 2013 at 3:44 pm
@BuccaneerBonzai — The Bucs report back as a team on Monday. During the lockout, Freeman was very involved in setting up non-team workouts, and just casual stuff with receivers in other years.
April 11th, 2013 at 3:48 pm
No way does Sharrif Floyd fall to 13! Cmon what are these people thinking with these mock drafts!!! I doubt Milliner will fall to 13 as well! I can only hope that the Bucs are in a position where they have to make that decision between those 2 players
April 11th, 2013 at 4:09 pm
Floyd and Milliner will be gone…
1. we will either draft a Dt @ 13
2. move up and get milliner
3. or move back and get Eifwrt
book it
April 11th, 2013 at 4:23 pm
Capt angry is everywhere. lol
April 11th, 2013 at 4:26 pm
Who is this Denver WR Eric Page (Toledo) we signed today?
April 11th, 2013 at 4:31 pm
For two years the Bucs need corners and for two years they ignore the draft need. It would be a stupid, ill-advised move. Roy Miller is very replaceable.
So for that reason I wouldn’t be surprised if the pop star Dominik makes the move and picks something other than a corner. They blew it picking Barron last year. They will blow it again this year. Trade for Revis. At least e is a proven commodity.
April 11th, 2013 at 4:46 pm
I agree with you guys that Floyd will not be there, unfortunately. however this article is an interesting debate in fantasy land, would you take Floyd or Milliner given our situation? thats a tough question to answer. on the one hand the D Line is the most important position on defense, on the other hand CB is our most urgent need…
April 11th, 2013 at 5:00 pm
Seriously? Blew it picking Barron? You are out of your mind!! Who would have played safety for us last year? You forget that we had to take a CB last year and move him to the other safety spot!! Barron was a solid pick and someone who the bucs will have for many years, “he cant cover” he was an f’n rookie!!! Claiborne would have been a good pick last year but his numbers were slightly worse then Barrons so please explain how that was dumb pick? Capt Tim I think you have spent too much time out on the water and in the sun because we didnt have the option to get Mo Claibrone he went to the Cowboys at the 6th pick, so what did ya want us to trade up to get him and not get Doug Martin???
April 11th, 2013 at 5:01 pm
Milliner is good but not great. Can definitely see us passing in him. Keep in mind if he’s that good why would he fall to 13 after being highly rated by media.
Tavon Austin is our guy. Pound for pound probably the best player in the draft. The kid is explosive in 2 out of 3 phases of the game. A true game changer at multiple positions. Hope Dominik forget about the scrutiny and pick the best player in the draft.
April 11th, 2013 at 5:24 pm
@Capt. Tim,
So what did Mo Claiborne do last year that would lead you to believe he’s a perrenial All-Pro? Did the Cowgirls make the playoffs and I somehow missed it? Let’s chat in a few years and see who has more trips to Hawaii between Mr. Wonderlik and Barron. But like always, you’ll just disappear when proven wrong. You used to be the most positive poster on this board. You and I both supported Raheem, and we were both proven to be idiots. But you know what, I really don’t care. I’d support you if you were the coach. Now you are worse than Thomas 2.2 and Eric combined. You need to lighten up and smile a little bit. I guarantee you one fact: Mark Dominik knows more about football than you. He’s a better GM than you could ever be. That’s not a shot to you (I’d probably be worse than you), but just reality. I really think its time you come to grips with that fact.
April 11th, 2013 at 5:55 pm
It would be flat out stupid to pass on Milliner at #13 (he WONT drop that far, TRUST ME!!), especially if no Revis yet, and still no FA CB who even has a heartbeat. The kid is NFL ready! He’s going to be a stud….go back and watch the tape, watch the combine, and watch the sports science vid. Im ok going for DT if he isnt there, but the draft is also DT deep.
April 11th, 2013 at 5:58 pm
i would love one of the top d-linemen i n draft! but i would take millner first if he fell that far.
April 11th, 2013 at 6:06 pm
KMAC, just so you know, we could have drafted Morris, and most thought we would, be we traded back and then Dallas traded up in front of us to get him (they were rumored to pick Barron). Theres lots of articles on it…some say we blew it, some say Dom didnt want to draft Morris and Barron was his guy the whole time.
April 11th, 2013 at 6:21 pm
“but” not be….sorry, shouldve proofed it.
April 11th, 2013 at 7:39 pm
Man, what happened to the captain? He used to be a positive voice, now it’s just trash :0(
April 11th, 2013 at 7:55 pm
Hopefully Director of College Scouting Eric Stokes, can rebuild our secondary in a similar fashion that helped; propel Seattle as one of the better units in the league.
(Examples)
Richard Sherman
Drafted: 2011: 5th Rnd, 154th by SEA
First Team All-Pro (2012)
PFWA All-Rookie Team (2011)
2013 Pro Bowl Alternate
IMO Good late Round Prospects
Terry Hawthorne CB Illinois 6-0 195 (5th Round Pick)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lmfnt6dREE
Marc Anthony 6-0 196 (6th Round Pick)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juRUxgLVWbQ
Aaron Hester CB 6-2 198 (*”The Great”-Carnell Lake was his position coach) (6th Round Pick) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un0phrLViCk
*Thinking outside of the Box
Patrick Watkins 6-5 200 (CFL)
switched to corner and made the All-Star Game
April 11th, 2013 at 9:30 pm
Personally I think Dee is going to be fantastic in the NFL. Rhodes is has the potential to be great but he can be had late first early 2nd in most drafts.
If Dee is there I hope they would not pass on him…. BUT Floyd is pretty intriguing. He is a beast in there and swallows up double teams. IF they trade next years 1st rounder and get REVIS……. Grab Floyd and a CB in round 2 or 3.
April 11th, 2013 at 9:47 pm
Cannon- no. I tell the truth . Dom has continually allowed our secondary to be trash.
Go check the archive post. I’ve been saying how bad our CBs are, and that we couldn’t win without an upgrade- for THREE OFF SEASONS!! Back when Dom refused to sign FAs, and Raheem was forced to play a 4-2-5 defense, to cover up for our bad secondary. The only exception being the Great Ronde Barber – who can’t be asked to carry the secondary at his age.
I argued how bad this secondary was, when some people thought it was a strength.
And for 3 years- it has gone unaddressed!! And we keep losing, and keep being in the cellar. Our horrible, drug addict secondary has prevented our talented D-line from racking up sacks. It gives away games on long, last drives. It is so bad, it has prevented this team from winning! And we have the talent to win. Our secondary is such a weak link, it makes the entire Chain useless.
And our GM has been a huge part of it. He continued to keep players that were mentally unstable, and undependable, and talentless, and drug users.
An idiot could see that Aqib would never be mature/intelligent enough to anchor the secondary. He had at least one major incident every year!!
Tanard continued his drug addiction- suspension after suspension. Yet Dim resigned him, and still kept trying to plug him in- long after any fool could see it was pointless.
Eric is a talentless CB. He is another head case. He screwed up at UCLA, and had to transfer to UNLV. He was terrible in Detroit. Yet Dim signs him to a gigantic idiotic contract/ which amazingly, wright throws away, because he can’t stay off the dope!! He manages to start 10 games, and get us last place in the league in Pass defense- mere yards from worst in History!!
Contrary to the KMac, who must have the memory of a gnat- mo Claibourne was ours for the drafting! Dim tried to be clever, and trade back- confident that the next 4 people drafting did not need a CB.
As always happens- dim got outsmarted – Dallas traded up. We scrambled around and picked Barron. Barron would not be in the top five safeties in this draft.
I am not angry. I am disgusted! We have real talent on this team. Freeman is the best QB in Buc history. Stats prove it. V. Jackson, M. Williams, Martin, Penn, McCoy, Clayborn, Bowers, David!
This team should have been moving up the ladder already. But dims inability to assess CBs, love of Drug users, and refusal to spent more than 70% of pay scale- means we are wasting years of our window of opportunity.
Until he learns how to find CBs that have talent, and aren’t addicts- this team is wasting its time
We will be in the cellar, until Dom is replaced
April 11th, 2013 at 9:58 pm
Passionate and valid post Capt. Tim! I get frustrated too….and if Dom doesnt deliver us a high powered CB in the draft, or somehow land Revis w/o so much cost, then like you said, its a small window. Thats why I’d much rather trade up for Milliner and grab a NT 2nd or 3rd to put beside McCoy…then we need DE depth.
April 11th, 2013 at 10:00 pm
KMAC… using that pick on Barron was a reach. The Bucs could have gotten Barron’s numbers from a decent FA safety. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – if Barron isn’t Ronnie Lott, the pick was a reach.
April 11th, 2013 at 11:38 pm
Uh Barron is a stud… Give him more than a rookie year for …jimminy Christmas !
April 12th, 2013 at 2:40 am
@Capt. Tim
Slow down on Eric Wright- The kid, grew up in a strong household and Attended an all boys Catholic School (Was an honor roll student his entire time there) Wright transferred from USC to UNLV after being charged with rape. That charge was later dropped.
And I know this might not be saying much, but he was a projected first-rounder by many (NFL SCOUTS)-Chosen by Cleveland in the second round with the 52nd pick. Now he’s bounced from Cleveland-Detroit-Now here; because of little nagging injuries-and inconsistencies in play. With all that said, did we over pay for him originally; of course. But can we utilize his services for one more year-Of course.
Mark Barron is a Beast (period)-Would take Barron over Claiborne any day! We’ve found a gem in Leonard Johnson. All we have to do now– is bring in 3 to 4 defensive backs (2013 Draft-UDFA-Jun 1st cuts) And we will be fine. Especially with a Dashon (TheHawk)Goldson roaming the middle, and Barron’s indoctrination into the system.
April 12th, 2013 at 9:26 am
MadMax- thanks
I think anyone who post here frequently, is a passionate Bucs fan. And I respect that. But being a fan doesn’t mean blind loyalty. It means you have expectations for something you give your loyality( and money, and tax dollars) to.
If you really support our players( I do), then you want them to have a fighting chance.
When the GM refuses to spent more than 70% of the allotted salary money- he is sitting the players up for failure
When he refuses to address a gaping, glaring weakness- he is sitting you up for failure.
When he allows tatters from the Number one run defense to leave, over money, with no plan to replace them- he is thinking money, not wins.
And rookies aren’t the solution. Rookies take years to be learn the NFL game. Very few positions can play well their first year. Miller had just come into his own. A rookie DL player( or CB) will take several years to be a successful NFL player. Even with McCoy’s limitless talents- it’s taken time.
Dom likes defective players( drugs/injuries) , so that he can low ball them on contracts
We want this team to be competative.
After 4 years- be wants this team to be paid as cheaply as possible- to make max money. He’s proven it to many times.
Dom’s team is the Tampa Bay Dollarbills. And that’s how he runs the team
April 12th, 2013 at 12:26 pm
If the bucs did not trade down with the Jags to the 7th pick we would not have had that extra 4th round pick to trade to the Broncos for Doug Martin, so lets look at this way, we pick Mo Claiborne he would have had a decent CB last year, still doesnt solve our secondary issues and we probably would not have had Doug Martin last year….Stop complaining and acting like yall know better, there is a reason these people have these jobs and you dont!!
April 13th, 2013 at 1:57 am
Much BIGGER picture going on Capt. Tim….you’ve got to read between the lines and read into everything. Im not saying you’re not, maybe just a different interpretation from me. But we are on the verge of making the playoffs (even w/o Revis this year) as long as we stay healthy and get NFL ready rookies. I know not all of them jump right in ready, but some do (hence Milliner and Eifert)……
Keep in mind Doug Martin and Lavonte David, in their rookie year 🙂
April 13th, 2013 at 1:42 pm
You realize you are quoting a mock draft that has Matt Barkley and Ryan Nassib going before Geno Smith? This guy is clueless…why would you even quote him?