Bucs Gave Up On This Season
November 29th, 2012
The Bucs can put up a good showing in Denver, says former Bucs quarterback Shaun King, but to do that Sunday the Bucs will need to survive the first quarter and not get overwhelmed early. But as for the Bucs’ playoff prospects, well, King’s confident Bucs management gave up those weeks ago.
One of three QBs to lead the Bucs to the NFC Championship, King said on WDAE-AM 620 today that the Bucs threw in the towel on 2012 at the trading deadline and the inevitable gutting of the current secondary is something they welcomed.
“I go back to this. I said something when we traded Aqib Talib. I said, ‘You know what, we’ve given up on this season,'” King said. “When we made that trade, and I know everybody was happy because we got a fourth-round pick in return, but we made that trade knowing that Eric Wright was going to go on suspension for four games. And we knew, even in a playoff hunt, if we lost Eric Wright, and I don’t think he’s a great player, where we would be at cornerback. I mean, hopefully these [cornerbacks] can try and improve and get a little better, but I kind of think that was our nail in the coffin as far as this year goes making the playoffs.”
Joe only partially agrees with King. Sure, rockstar general manager Mark Dominik and Greg Schiano knew they’d be better off down the stretch against Matt Ryan (twice), Peyton Manning and Drew Brees with Talib playing cornerback.
However, Talib’s history off the field and on the field (injury) left no reason to count on him for the remainder of this season. And the fourth-round pick was a steal for an unreliable guy who behaves like an idiot. Then, there was that little matter of Talib hardly playing at a Pro Bowl level in 2012.
Yeah, the Bucs would be better Sunday with Talib on the roster, but Joe still would make that trade in a heartbeat.
November 29th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
We weren’t that much better with Talib. He was overrated. It was a good trade.
November 29th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
And making moves for the future doesn’t mean giving up on this season. I do not believe for a second this team has given up. Just look at last year if you want to see what giving up looks like.
November 29th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Have to agree with King. But I still like the trade.
November 29th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
King is all mouth!! Talib wasnt playing any better than these young guys we have playing now (neither was Wright). The coaches moved on to see what we have in the younger ranks (because Wright and Talib werent playing well) so that they know if they need to draft a CB in the first round or even pick another one up in free agency. Talib and Wright were in the Giants game and we got spanked by Manning. We are no worse off than we were before and at least we can gage the young guys to see what we have. If kings hands were as big as his mouth than maybe he would of had more than one good season.
November 29th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
HOW exactly is trading TALIB a steal??? we gave up a 7th round to trade him. ALSO, when talib would have left in free agency we would have gotten a 5th or 6th rd compesatory pick. so we basically trade talib, a 5th, and a 7th to probably the last pick up the 4th rd. I would rather have talib and the picks.
November 29th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
‘You know what, we’ve given up on this season,’” King said between cheeseburgers.
November 29th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Let’s see here 32nd in pass D with talib. And let me look this up on my stat sheet here… 32nd i pass D without talib. Yea he’s sorely missed. God King is an idiot. I like the way he just says it to with no stats or reasoning to back his claim. Joe, is that shaun king in the picture or the hamburgler? I can’t tell. And stop saying he led us to an NFC championship game he was just the turd we had playing QB at the time. In all honesty Joe what you should say is the only QB to ever get benched in favor of the great rob johnson, its more accurate.
November 29th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
If we had Talib, Julio Jones would have had 2 80 yards TD’s.
Glad he’s gone.
November 29th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
We didn’t give up on this season.
Aqib Talib and Eric Wright did… As soon as they took adderall.
Screw Aquib, he is a headache, and I am thankful he will no longer hurt our program. As for Wright, screw him too. He should’ve known better, they both should have.
So Mr. Shaun King, you are wrong on this one. Eric Wright and Aquib Talib gave up on the Bucs when they put down the Flinstone Vitamins.
November 29th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Honestly, it looks like he has given up……but i sorta thought the same thing when we traded Talib. If the Bucs make good use of that draft pick (like trading up to get Khaseem Green) then it’s worth it
November 29th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Here goes spoiled grapes running his mouth again, the Talib trade makes perfect sense. He was way overrated, oh he got pick six. So what he also gave up two scores the same game. The secondary has played at exactly the same lvl now as did with him. Mike I’m sorry to inform you, but you math on the value of the pick is way off. A 4th rd pick is much more valuable than a 5th and a 7th. The fact of the matter is that Gruden could not pick talent, just how many of his picks are still around just 3 yrs after his firing? Raheem, did not help us any either. For being known as a secondary coach he should of seen how then we were in the backfield, but he did nothing. Likely the only corners from this years team to next years will be Gaitor and Johnson.
November 29th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
There wasn’t a difference with having Talib on the field to me or pass D was still gettin burned
November 29th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Shaun King gave up on physical fitness. Just how fat does he intend to be?
November 29th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Someone remind Shaun King what the Bucs record is with and without Talib recent history.
Joe?
November 29th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Yeah Joe,
I can stomach the “RockStar” for Dom, just barely.
King did not “lead” us to the NFC Championship…. He got in the way of our first potential trip to the Super Bowl.
He Held on the for the ride, and that is a FACT.
November 29th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Every time you post something that Shaun King says, it makes me less likely to want to read your blog. Seriously, this blowhard is still around trying to make a career out of his asinine opinions? He’s an idiot.
November 29th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Does this guy ever say anything positive about the Bucs?
November 29th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
King is Clueless….He should be working at a Burger King drive thru window.He might be able to handle that without looking like an Idiot.
November 29th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
What the heck is wrong with this guy?!! Get this guy away from a camera, ive never seen somebody look at EVERYTHING a team does in a negative way. We our pass D sucked with Talib, so keeping him around and getting nothing out of him would be ridiculous.
November 29th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
King would know a lot about “giving up”. Afterall, he gave up on his career when he got so fat in the off-season.
November 29th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
They didn’t give up on the season. King must be having flashbacks to the Raheem era. That’s when the team gave up on the season.
They simply gave up on Talib. Rightfully so, I might add.
November 29th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
With the #1 rush defense anything is possible. Just sayin, the Bucs will drop wright and next season will draft a CB 1st round, and maybe be aggressive again in free agency towards acquiring a #1 corner. Keep the staff together, and the Bucs will be dangerous next year. I still think they are this year, and I will be at the game Sunday when they beat Denver down!!
November 29th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
How many times have we allowed 500 passing yards without Talib? King seems to forget that this secondary was already the worst in the NFL even when Talib was here…it’s really not much worse now than it has been all season…If we get pressure, they’re serviceable, but if we don’t the scheme allows these kids to get toasted left and right…that’s what happens when you leave corners on an island against modern-day NFL receivers.
November 29th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Management made those decisions with the future in mind, as they should. This team is being rebuilt for the long haul, but at the same time, has enough pieces to win right now and make the playoffs. Talib’s value is being way overstated, all it takes is one look at our pre-Talib and post-Talib defense.
The coaching staff has this team fighting hard week in and week out despite a plethora of injuries, and as a result we have a winning record and a legitimate shot at the playoffs. What more can you ask for?
November 29th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
karl Says:
November 29th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
King is Clueless….He should be working at a Burger King drive thru window.He might be able to handle that without looking like an Idiot.
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They would never trust Grimmace to work at B.K. He’d eat all the Whoppers and shut them down.
November 29th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
mike Says:
November 29th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
HOW exactly is trading TALIB a steal??? we gave up a 7th round to trade him. ALSO, when talib would have left in free agency we would have gotten a 5th or 6th rd compesatory pick. so we basically trade talib, a 5th, and a 7th to probably the last pick up the 4th rd. I would rather have talib and the picks
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You don’t know how free agency compensation works, apparently. It is based a formula of players lost vs. players gained and money given to lost players vs. money given to incoming players. It is extremely likely we would have not gotten ANY compensation for Talib as we would also likely make acquisitions of our own plus Talib is NOT going to break the bank anywhere. You never know, we may bring back Talib AND still get New England’s 4th round pick.
November 29th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Snook Says:
November 29th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
King would know a lot about “giving up”. Afterall, he gave up on his career when he got so fat in the off-season.
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This isn’t true. King only gave up being a QB but he hasn’t given up on football. He’s trying to follow the Keith Traylor mold and eat himself into a space-eating 2-gap DT. He’s almost there.
November 29th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Whats our record without Talib?
Shut up King
November 29th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
and here it goes……KABOOM!!!! It’s called SHOCK JOURNALISM….a Shaun King is dropped here when the site needs a “jolt” regardless of accuracy or relevence, and it works everytime. Cant argue with it, the method, I mean. King, well, he’s IRRELAVENT!
November 29th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
The same Talib that was made a b**ch by a gimpy Hakim Nicks!
Shaun King is such a never-was, loser d-bag!
“keep it locked!”
November 29th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
As a fan, I see how the bucs look this year as compared to last year and I trust the decision makers. Talib and wright gave up on us when they decided to take a drug that was not perscribed to them. With selfish actions like these, they were not going to be part of our winning equation. We are two corners away from being a SUPER BOWL contender. Trust the process. I see king’s point but the long term picture with Talib looked bleak.
November 29th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Shaun King…. Patrick Ramsey… JP Losman…. ALL former Tulane QB’s that did not “lead their team” to squat… All 3 were bums.
November 29th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
It’s hard to believe that someone who has no trouble stuffing their mouth can open it so wide.
November 29th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
joe, stop posting stuff from Shaun King
November 29th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Shaun King just wants to be important, unfortunately he just shows how small he is by his constantly sniping.
November 29th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
@J 2.0
So Hilarious. King must have also given up on grooming. Check the uni-brow out on that dude.
I just can’t take anybody seriously who takes that bad care of themselves. Even the 2 bit hacks on all the major networks at least look the part. King can’t even be bothered to do that. He has the look for radio and the voice for silent theatre.
November 29th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Does anyone take King seriously? Thanks for the laugh Joe.
November 29th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
@Joe
I have to say King did NOT lead us to a “NFC Championship” our DEFENSE did.
November 29th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Absolutely right about that, Shaun king is all mouth cant u tell…doesnt even look like him anymore
November 29th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Y do u think he never wears ties cant button shirt cause of that turkey neck lol
November 29th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Shhh……do you guys hear that sucking sound?
November 29th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
I partially agree with King, but not for the same reasons. It seems as though the team is just using this season as a big-ass preseason for next year. It seems as though Schiano is trying to put the team into learning situations each game, so when they are trying to go somewhere next season, they get there. If they somehow make the playoffs, I think a different team will take the field, one that is hell-bent on getting and keeping a lead.
November 29th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
You guys keep asking why Joe posts comments from Shaun King, the answer is simple: It’s generating traffic, looks how many comments have already been posted.
November 29th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Never was a King fan, still not one either! GO BUCS!
November 29th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
JOE here,
@Ian – WRONG! Joe doesn’t post King stuff for traffic, or anyone’s comments for the sake of traffic. Joe finds King credible, and when King says something Joe finds interesting, then Joe will write it up. That’s really the only standard used on JoeBucsFan.com. If Joe was writing for “traffic,” as you say, Joe could sit here all day banging out copy and rumors and quotes from a hundred sources and garner a lot more page views and make a lot more money. The fact is Joe writes about what Joe finds interesting. That’s always been the standard. Always will be.
November 29th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
It doesn’t matter if you have pro bowl cb’s back there if you
don’t get any Pass Rush. A very good pass rush will make
a suspect secondary look good. Just ask the NY Giants. Talib
was getting burned every game this season. Good trade in
my opinion!
November 29th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Joe, no doubt you could easily turn this blog into TMZ and get tons of hits but lets be real. King has consistently made polarizing comments all season and even when he was with 1010 Sports you made sure to post them as they get us commenting.
I come to your site everyday (I truly enjoy it) but there is a reason you post negative comments from Ian Beckles and Shaun King on a weekly basis……..
It stirs the pot and drives traffic
November 29th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
King is disappointed, last week he picked the Bucs to lose by double digits and it didn’t happen.
November 29th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
The Honey Badger just declared for the draft! I know he has problems, but what is the thought on The Dom picking him up in the draft and Schiano molding him into a Buccaneer Man? Remember, he was thought by most to be better than Morris Claiborne.
November 29th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
@Bucs4821,
We have a winner. It seems some analyst like King would rather they be right than make good evaluations. It’s not just King lazy sports writers are the same. It hurts their cred when they are wrong week after week.
November 29th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
King has been a Buc Hater since he got benched by Dungy for Brad Johnson. When he had his local radio show all he did every day was bad mouth the bucs. He forgets he wasn’t a very good QB, he was overweight & overhyped. When he left here he flamed out in Arizona and couldn’t make the Colts as a Backup QB with Dungy as Head Coach. He’s all mouth with no substance to back up what he says.
November 29th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Haha we are not taking the honey badger unless he falls into the 6th round or later and even then I doubt it. The guy got suspended for doing stupid stuff. Then gets arrested for doing more stupid stuff. He wasn’t even that good of a cover corner.
King is not a good analyst, he’s shown it time and time again. But in a way he’s somewhat right. While I highly doubt Schiano and the organization gave up on the playoffs I think they new what getting rid of Talib would do. It was a good move though because even with Talib I doubted we would make the playoffs and now we have another draft pick, a lot of cap space depending on what happens to Wright, and we got rid of a problem player.
They made a good longterm move and I like it.
November 29th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
@ Joe,
“King is credible”…. LMAO! Yeah, ok, uhuh, hahahaha.
November 29th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
King is showing the same form behind the mic that he displayed on the field. A wannabe hack being carried around by fat guys – only now, he himself is a fat guy…..
November 29th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
The starting cornerbacks for the Bucs “gave up”, or “loafed” on the season when they decided to cheat.
November 29th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Who among us expected this team to be where they are without Joseph, Nicks, Talib, Wright, Trueblood, etc? A win in Denver would be great but a competitive loss is more realistic. Let’s hope they can keep playing better than most of us expected on Week 1.
November 29th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
I think this guy is the true king of turds. Or at the very least a prince of turds!!
November 29th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
I agree with King for once. Out team had not givien up, however management has given up. Talib for basically a 5th rounder. ( New England Late pick if not the last of 2 fourth round pick) is ridiculous. Everyone seemed to be so happy right? We will see how funny it is when we just miss the playoffs because of the Qb’s we will face in the coming weeks.
November 29th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Gentlemen:
Joe finds what Shaun King has to say about the Bucs compelling. Sometimes Joe agrees; sometimes he doesn’t. Apparently, other high-level media outlets like NBC Sports and Clear Channel radio find King’s insight relevant as well.
Please raise your hand if you were a starting quarterback in an NFC title game. Or, please raise your hand if you were a starting quarterback on an undefeated college team.
That’s what Joe thought. None of us have.
And for those who choose to live in denial that King did not lead the Bucs, unless Joe was dropping shrooms that season, it sure as hell wasn’t Trent Dilfer or Eric Zeier.
Shaun King in 1999 put up better numbers than Doug Williams did in 1979. Yet Joe has never, ever read or heard anyone claim Williams didn’t lead the Bucs to the 1979 NFC title. Rather, many claim Williams should be in the Ring of Honor, but want to line King up against the wall in front of a fire squad. Williams has said far worse things about the Bucs than King, yet people want to canonize Williams.
Joe just doesn’t get the hate for King, a homegrown, hometown guy.
November 29th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
When I first saw the picture of Shaun King Dingaling, I thought it was Vince Wilfork, but Vince is a little thinner through the face.
November 29th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Perhaps s. king is taking adderall , smoking some of tanard jackson’s stash and trying to eat himself to such a weight he will be eligible for disability . If not , find another team to bash cause you SUCK !
November 29th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
King Your a Morrrrrrrrrron DUD. You have a problem with the bucs we all can see this but, why do you still put your 2 sens in.. Like we all care what you say
November 29th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Oh, Joe, Joe, Joe…
Where should I start? I’m just curious…does a person have to have played pro football in order to criticism Shaun King? What about all these commentators that are paid by the NFL, ESPN etc? Not all of them have played Pro Ball.
You inferring that we never did what Shaun King did is weak. Are you saying that because we didn’t play pro ball we deserve no say? That our thoughts count for nothing?
I’m sorry, but anyone that has ever put money into the team through merchandise, tickets or taxes should have their opinion respected.
How many weeks are we into the season? In ALL of those weeks, Shaun King has had something positive to say ONCE. Just once. Shaun King failed at being a starting quarterback. He failed at being a backup quarterback. He failed at being a TV personality. He failed at having his own radio sports talk show. He failed at staying in shape.
Shaun King is nothing BUT a failure. He knows it, and he is bitter. He is still trying to fake at being knowledgeable, just as he tried to pretend he was a starting QB, a backup QB, a TV guy and a radio guy.
Frankly, anyone that takes anything he says with more than a grain of salt is questionable themselves…at least on a level of comprehension.
November 29th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
And on Doug Williams, I love the guy and respect him, but he wasn’t nearly as good as people like to claim. He played a role in history and for that I respect him. He brought this team and us fans a winning season for hte first time.
But that’s as far as it goes. Ring of Honor? Maybe, maybe not. I think not. I think there are others from that era that deserve it more, who stayed with the team.
November 29th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Oh, and I love how new names are suddenly showing up to comment. Pretty big coincidence to Shaun King’s benefit.
November 29th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
Two things: why do the guys that seem to only do interviews in between birthday challenges and running batches even put this fat fluff on their show every week? Based on the majority he continues to piss people off and he has no credibility.. 2nd Joe.. Why do you put anything he says as an article? I know it creates ratings and eyeballs but enough already. Fluffy is irrelevant and his opinion is worthless. Joe why don’t you ask Schaino face to face if the team mailed it in. Players, coaches, mgmt would probably throw you out on your arse. Fluffy offers nothing and I don’t want him talking about my football team. I quit listening to 620 from 9-12 as soon as the new station came on board. Joe if you would do your part and quit his worthless comments on your site I would never have to know what this out of shape blow hard ever says.
November 29th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
Wish I could fail like King. King has greater insight than most of us but his take is still opinion. Who knows what parameters the management had with Talib. All I know is the players on the field have not quit on this season and if it takes getting rid of some bad apples, then I am for it. I really hated what I saw on the field last season. Management seems to have a strong direction and they are sticking to it. Talib quit on us by forcing managements hand.
November 29th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
@joe and King didn’t lead anyone anywhere but to the front of the Buffett line. Saying he had anything to do with Bucs winning any games is just not watching close enough. Whoever gave Dilfer credit for the Ravens Superbowl? Umm no one.. He’s an afterthought. And King was worse which is why we didn’t win a Superbowl with him. Joe your site is great and I will always come here for my Bucs info but your love for The Pop Star and the King is just perplexing to all of us. I find myself smh and asking why?
November 29th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Damn Shaun got fat!!
November 29th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Is he upset about the bucs giving up or Hostess?
I know Talib had the physical tools to be a good corner but can anyone tell me the last good game he had? Anyone? Beuler? Beuler?
November 30th, 2012 at 12:19 am
Making the playoffs this year was a outside shot at best. I say play for the future.
November 30th, 2012 at 12:45 am
lol…another new name pops up…another coincidence? Really, King…don’t embarrass yourself.
November 30th, 2012 at 1:16 am
I only read the posts about King for the fat jokes lol
November 30th, 2012 at 1:16 am
The simple fact is that King is a jerk. I mean the guy has a lifetime ban from Tampa Bay Downs for being such a jerk at poker. That is why the community doesn’t respect his opinion. He is usually negative and not the kind of person this community wants to hear talk badly about our team because we don’t value his opinion. Being an average NFL quarterback 10 years ago doesn’t make you an expert on the sport. I guarantee you that most fans would love to hear the opinions from ex-players that we actually respect. ex. Brooks, Lynch, Dunn, Ronde (one day), Alstott, Brad Johnson, Dexter Jackson. Not a marginal NFL player that washed out early in his career and struggled to win every week even with one of the greatest defenses of all time. He keeps his name alive by saying outlandish things for attention. It really is sad. Maybe he should go back to school and find something he is good at.
@Kay and others, please refrain from making statements of alleged fact that can not be proven, like King being “banned from Tampa Bay Downs for life.” Joe is responsible for the content here. Joe’s not interested in being sued. And unless you’re Tampa Bay Downs owner Stella Thayer, then you really can’t have any knowledge of the accuracy of that assertion, which means you might be lying and misrepresenting. Second, perhaps you could actually identify what King said in his quote above that is “outlandish.” It’s actually very reasoned commentary, even if you disagree. — Joe
November 30th, 2012 at 10:01 am
@joe.. Saying you don’t put King articles on the site to draw fans even when you know it’s negative is like an athlete saying he didn’t sign the new contract for the money. Come on now your readers are smarter than that. How can you stick up or agree with anything King says. Everyone else has noticed he never has a positive comment about the team and should be a major red flag to you that the dude has a deep rooted issue with the team.
I do think its funny you say you don’t put articles from Ian and Ling on here for eyeballs.. It’s just a coincidence you get more comments from these Debbie downers everytime? Come on Joe
November 30th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Joe I don’t care if King won 3 Super Bowls and played better than manning. If he doesn’t back his statements with facts he is no better than anyone else just shooting off random opinions. He is saying a team that loss to a team with a 10-1 record by one point is giving up(they were suppose to get blown out from his “analysis”) this makes no sense what so ever. Yes the team is building for the future. NAME ME ONE TEAM THAT ISN’T BUILDING TOWARDS THE FUTURE. This is why I think King is not credible. See how I backed my argument with facts. That alone makes me more credible than King.
November 30th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Joe
How does a QB who only played in 37% of the season get the whole credit for ‘leading’ his team to the NFC Championship? Dilfer was 7-4 before your great and humble King took over.
BTW Dilfer was winning the Seattle game when King replaced him due to injury. Do you really think we wouldn’t have made it to the NFC Championship with Dilfer? I believe many QBs could have ‘lead’ that team you know the one with that GREAT defense!
November 30th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Also you must have meant the 2000 season when King had better stats than Williams? That 2000 year King did lead us to a wildcard playoff game, where Philly gave us wood-shed-whooping!
November 30th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
So King is credible because he played in a championship game? With that as your logic – anyone who ever had an contract with an NFL team is a credible source of information. I’m sure half the backups in the league would have played better in that game than Burger King. He says whatever crap comes to him to provoke phone calls. The guy is as clueless on the air as he was on the field. I don’t listen to any of the chumps on that station anymore – the only time I’ll tune them in is on a gameday.
November 30th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
We got Joe …Pete….Ian all hammering away..all we need is Steve from buccaneers.com and it would be one big bucing family…Lol