Report Claims Bucs After Trent Richardson
April 26th, 2012
The smokescreens, nonsense and outright lying that is circling each and every team as the hours countdown to tonight’s NFL draft seems to be continuing.
One of the countless reports about movement of teams comes out of Cleveland where one of the most respected NFL writers in the business, Mary Kay Cabot of the Plain Dealer, claims via league sources Bucs rock star general manager Mark Dominik is attempting to swap picks (and other presents) to Minnesota to acquire the No. 3 pick.
And what, per Cabot, would Dominik do with said pick? Draft Alabama running back Trent Richardson.
Bucs, Jets like Richardson? The Tampa Bay Bucanneers at No. 5 are very interested in Richardson and might consider trading up to No. 3, league sources said. The Jets at No. 16 are also interested, but might not be able to afford it.
Joe’s not going to go all crazy as he’s trying to keep his blood pressure down and knows too many Bucs fans lust over Richardson like Joe does Rachel Watson.
Joe will offer two comments:
1) If Dominik really is trying to spend a No. 3 pick (which won’t be the only ransom) on Richardson, this guy better be the reincarnation of Jim Brown. That’s an insanely high price to pay for a running back in a passing league when your defense is so porous.
2) Save the draft picks Mark. Draft the best player available who falls in your lap tonight (Morris Claiborne, Matt Kalil or, yes, even Justin Blackmon), draft Nebraska linebacker Lavonte David with your second round pick tomorrow night, and use your third round pick in a trade to the Giants for Osi Umenyiora (and be like the Giants where you have an overpowering defensive line).
Then load up on running backs Saturday.
April 26th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
I’d be ecstatic if they ended up with Doug Martin in the 2nd Round instead of Richardson, personally. Too many holes on defense to spend a first-rounder on a RB (although I wouldn’t complain if Matt Kalil fell into our laps at five, as at that point I’d trade down to 10 with Buffalo and get Kuechly).
April 26th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
yus.
April 26th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
I was just telling Rachel this morning over breakfast, that we should draft Richardson …
April 26th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
This would be up there with taking Burflict at number 5
April 26th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
i think kuechly will be gone at nine to carolina
April 26th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
Right on Joe,
Richardson is the exception to the rule.
If we trade up for him, we won’t regret it.
Hails from Derrick Brooks hometown, expect this kid to have a “Derrick Brooks” type impact on this team.
He would instantly be our most talented player.
Richardson is also lauded for a tremendous work ethic, let’s trade up and get our guy.
Hope it just costs an additional 3rd round pick.
Our recent 3rd rounders (post Ronde): Chris Sims, Roy Miller, Quincy Black, Myron Lewis….. Not exactly picks well spent.
It would be very advantageous and SMART for Dom to trade up and get “our guy”.
We should have traded up for the Megatron pick.
Time to execute, and right the ship.
April 26th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Don’t settle for anything less then the best, even if you need to trade up.
Make this happen, and rejoice Buc fans bc we now have a “COMPLETE/ELITE” offense.
used the remaining picks on the D.
Besides, nothing to worry about! Dom is not so good at mid round picks. He makes his money on the UDFA/waiver wire.
April 26th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
The best move for the Bucs is to let Cleveland take T Rich after Minnesota takes Claiborne, then trade down with Buffalo so they can select Kalil. Then With the 10′th pick the Bucs select Mark Barron, Luke Kuechly or Dont’a Hightower to fill a glaring need. You can’t run an effective defense without a good MLB, which the Bucs don’t have right now. They also need a great safety which Barron is. That is what the Bucs need to do, Period.
April 26th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Sure….we won’t regret it. We’ll have an offense like Carolina! Boy were they fun to watch! Man they could put the points on the board! They won it all didn’t they?? NO?? You’re kidding me!! With that offense?? Two 1st round RB’s and Cam Newton… Steve Smith as a WR and they STILL went 6-10??!?? Oh yeah…that’s right….you have to stop the other team from scoring too don’t you…..hmmmmmmm. I guess defense DOES matter.
April 26th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
I think Richardson will be fantastic, but I don’t want to see us trade up for him. If we’re handing picks out lets trade back into the first for Doug Martin, and take the bpa at the fifth overall.
April 26th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Maybe the Bucs are tired of seeing impact players drafted one pick prior…I know Gruden turned down an offer to jump to #2 for Calvin Johnson and I know the team passed on Adrian Peterson as they had Caddy (which back then was a justifiable move). I think if Dom pulls off a trade for #3 this would be the cherry on top of the offseason for the average fan who has been disgusted with the product as of late. I’m not saying it’s for the best to sacrifice draft picks when the defense is in need of players, but this guy could be very special and for the short term it may be a bit rocky, but long term it could be the piece that pushes this team over the top.
As long as the Bucs retain their number two or number three pick, which I think will be used on a CB with a LB coming in at number five. Grab a safety at six and take a flier on someone at seven and maybe the new regime sees a group of young players who were mostly coddled by the previous coach and they feel that a new philosophy will result in a change for the better.
If they don’t make the move, perhaps Claiborne is still there, and if not, I’m just fine with Luke Kuechly or even Matt Kalil. The Bucs are picking at five and they have plenty of options, as a fan I’m excited to welcome in the best RB prospect since AP, or a stud CB or LB. This team is getting an impact player in less than nine hours and I can’t wait.
April 26th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Bobby,
We were 4-12. 6-10 with a rookie QB was darn good.
The Panthers were also a much better “watch” for fans.
We sucked in all aspects of the game.
Our Offense is predictable, and Trent’s addition would improve upon the FA investments.
V-Jax and Winslow run wild if Trent is here to pass protect and provide a believable Play action.
Blount is great at producing a highlight run, and good YPC. However, he is 1 dimensional and it limits our offense.
Bottom line,if: Schiano, Dom, Butch Davis want to make a splash with this new regime, then go for it!
Time to let loose and take a chance.
April 26th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Trade up, trade up, trade up. Get the most elite player you can and do settle for “what falls in your lap”. Gaines Adams and Gerald McCoy “fell in your lap” when waiting in the past instead of giving up lower picks that did not pan out when you could have have Calvin Johnson and Suh. Yes it is a passing league but we do not have Manning, Brees, Brady or Rodgers as our QB so we must have an elite rushing game to open it up for Freeman to throw on the PA to Jackson, Williams and Benn.
Also CB’s are easier to find in FA while in their prime than a RB. Mo Claibourne might be elite but elite RB’s are much harder to find. Any other RB we get is a 50% or better chance of being a bust including the kid from Boise St that played again sub par competition most of the season.
April 26th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Only post today as I head out the door to the Trop, Joe, if Dominik trades up to get Richardson at 3, will you continue to call him a Rockstar?
April 26th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
The Richardson fan boys have lost it on here if they believe mortgaging our draft to get to 3 for this guy is a smart idea. I don’t want Richardson at 5, not with all the statistical data backing up that elite single workhorse RBs don’t win super bowls or considered the elite in today’s league.
April 26th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Agree 100% with R Cantrell and thegregwitul,
Just as the Commish pointed out, let’s not watch an impact player get picked right in front of us. Trade up, and add some instant star power.
No more settling for odd and ends, trade up, give up a few picks and snag the big fish we so desperately need and want!
You only live once, and time to pull out all the stops and turn the Bucs fortunes around.
April 26th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
However, I’m willing to bite the bullet & hope for the best if we do decide to draft him at 5 if he’s there. I’d prefer Claiborne or Kuechely, or trade back then take LaMicheal James or Dough Martin in round 2 before T-Rich but I can stomach him at 5 if need be & the organization believes in him.
This rumor that we’d “trade up” to get this guy & force us to be even thinner in our back 7, with no talent to infuse is just INSANE! We don’t have the team/talent/depth yet that’s able to give up picks for one key addition. As usual I think any “leaked” information from sources before the draft is total BS & smoke screens, no one tips their actual hand to “reporters” it just makes no sense to do so. It’s all misinformation. C’mon Richardson fan boys think logically, I want Claiborne but I’d be equally pissed if the Buc’s traded away picks to get him. Desperate=Dumb in the NFL DRAFT.
April 26th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Draft the best player available who falls in your lap tonight (Morris Claiborne, Matt Kalil or, yes, even Justin Blackmon),
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HUH?
Draft the best player? Doesn’t this totally go against what you’ve been saying all along when it was looking like the Bucs would be choosing between Claiborne and Richardson?
I understand underestimating the impact of RBs in today’s NFL. But in doing so, you also have to admit that having top CBs means absolutely nothing without a strong pass rush. The Falcons will prove that this coming season.
I’m all about taking the BPA. And since Kalil and Richardson will be gone, the Bucs should (and will) take Claiborne.
This trading up stuff is NONSENSE. Ain’t happening.
April 26th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
J 2.0:
Joe will indeed have to reassess.
April 26th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Snook:
Joe believes Claiborne is a better player.
CBs over RBs each day, every day and twice on Sunday.
April 26th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
I want the Bucs to draft TR but trading up for him is out of the question.
I guess we’ll just take a defensive back instead– one who’s not even the consensus pick as best at his position….
*sigh*
Bucs get screwed again by a draft order coin flip.
April 26th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Star Power? What is this a stupid reality Tv show!? Who cares about Star Power??! I want the Buc’s to win games, challenge for championships, and be a perennial playoff contender. You don’t do that by mortgaging your draft to get a player whose position has been marginalized in the last decade. Star power?! Go find another sport if that’s what is important to you!
April 26th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Joe believes Claiborne is a better player.
CBs over RBs each day, every day and twice on Sunday.
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Ok. We’ll agree to disagree on that. TR immediately upgrades the offense – in the running AND passing game.
MC will just be running around chasing WRs as our D-Line gets no pressure.
April 26th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
We need immediate impact from this #5 pick.
TR would do that. But he’ll be gone.
I’d rather have the LB from BC at #5 than Claiborne.
April 26th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Bucs have needs all over so if they feel like Richardson is going to have a huge impact then go and get him. Don’t listen 2 everyone saying that’s to high to draft him.
April 26th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
@ Joe, even if you like DB over RB you know finding a RB in their prime not through the draft is MUCH harder than DB. Every year it seems the top FA is a DB.
Also for those that think trading and losing players cost us from suring up other areas remember the person you get rds 3-7 are bust over half the time. You can still add FA’s and pick up from the waiver wire. Don’t let an elite talent pass you by b/c you want to hold onto 3rd picks. Bucs fans will regret not getting Trent in 1-2 years just like they do with Calvin Johnson if they sit on this pick. MC better be a year in and year out Pro Bowler.
April 26th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Joe believes Claiborne is a better player.
CBs over RBs each day, every day and twice on Sunday.
I agree with this Joe,
But is Morris Claiborne Terrence Newman or is he Charles Woodson ?? I have not seen Claiborne be very physical and we the best run stoppers possible regardless of Defensive Position.
If Patrick Peterson was in the draft I would beat the drum for him all day over TR.
April 26th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
I think we lost this one to the Browns by strength of schedule. Last one was coin flip, which is a stupid way to decide a draft order.
April 26th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
I think I’m going to start banging the table for a Blount and Richardson backfield. The two would be our tailback, fullback/flanker on the field together. The offense would be dynamic.
April 26th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Matthew,
Star Power = Super Star in the NFL. A guy with immense talent, and the mental makeup to put it all together and execute.
This is not reality TV, this is Football.
Trent Richardson is the BEST Football Player we could add in the draft.
Trading up a few picks to get the guy who could have the biggest impact on our upcoming season would be the best move.
Morris Claibourne is not on the same level as Trent Richardson.
Richardson is a rare and elite talent. We are in dire need to get Freeman’s carreer back on track. Put the best offensive weapon (since Adrian Peterson) next to him and watch them grow and flourish.
The rest of our draft can go to Defense.
April 26th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Jim Brown said on Espn first take today that richardson is like emmith smith and is not worthy of being picked in the the top 3.. Although if we do get him i will welcome him.. I just dont think hes worth it..
April 26th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
I really hope Miami trades with us…would work out perfect for the Bucs.
April 26th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
@Matthew…unfortunately there are those who don’t care about winning as a ‘team’ they only want to watch us score points like Carolina, only to lose because the other team scored MORE POINTS. Carolina had a top 10 offense. Fun to watch but I think I’d rather have a defense that can shut them down along with a good offense that scores enough points to win. Kind of the way we did it when we won the Super Bowl. Trade up for Richardson…..absolute and total insanity. I don’t care if he’s Adrian Peterson….we can’t stop any other teams offense unless we get some Defensive help and we can’t give up this years draft to take a RB at #3. If that happens we will regret it and I will start calling Dom an idiot like everyone else.
April 26th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
The rest of the draft can go defense if we trade up to get Richardson???? What ‘rest of the draft’?????? We’ll have to give up the rest of the draft to get him unless you think being left with a third, fifth, sixth and seventh will get the D back on track….
April 26th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Why does everyone want immediate impact and results from the #5 pick tonight? Does anyone truly believe that the Bucs are going to WIN the Superbowl this year? I would love to see if happen, but it’s not going to.
Pick the best player available who will help the team over the next 6-8 years. While I agree that TR will be an outstanding player, the Bucs have bigger needs and can fill RB in later rounds. Just ask other successful teams like the Packers, Patriots and others where they found their RB’s.
In a perfect world I would like to see MC at pick 5 or trade back to 10 with Buffalo if MC is already taken. Use the 10 pick on Keuchly or Barron and grab and extra pick to get another CB in the process.
End up with either a potential star in MC or two very good starters on a D that needs to fill many, many holes.
Defense wins championships.
April 26th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
You can say with a straight face that Taking Richardson at #3 and giving up our second round pick is going to make us better as a ‘team’ than taking Claiborne and getting the best RB available in the second round??
April 26th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Laughable
April 26th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
One thing I HAVE TO get off my chest is the Complete Falacy that its a passing league and RBs dont matter. WTF is that ???
A good Running Game in general in QB kryptonite … How the Hell he gonna make plays standing by the water cooler ?!??
April 26th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
@ Larry, you cannot compare the need for an elite RB with teams that have Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers. How about asking Eli and Big Ben how mush having a great running game helped them win multiple superbowls? (And Pitt’s starting RB is a 1st rd pick).
@ Bobby moving up two spots would not cost a 2nd rounder. It would cost us our 3rd and one of the bottom 3 picks we have later. So I can say with a straight face that is more than worth it for Trent. Again I am saying this believing Richardson is the elite player with Luck in this draft.
April 26th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
I wouldn’t trade up, not because TR isn’t worth it (he IS), but because giving up more picks this year could really hurt. That said, giving up a pick next year is not out of the question.
I’ll keep beating what I’ve said for months – if T Rich is available to the the Bucs, where ever we pick, he’s a Buc. You can write that down.
April 26th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Blount + Richardson + our offensive line= Beast Mode
April 26th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
I’d really not rather trade up for TR, however, a solid running game can be a defenses best ally by keeping the other team off the field.
April 26th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Switch it up Mark, the wait your turn build through the draft crap has you near the edge of Jettisonville.
Be Irresponsible!
April 26th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Moving up 2 spots for next years 3rd and a low pick this year or next – maybe. Money is no longer an issue with the rookie cap. If I’m Mark, I’m going to shop Winslow or Briscoe to the Vikings and lessen the sting on picks.
Remember, this is a win now league and Mark feels pressure.
April 26th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
agreed ! ^^^^^^^^^
April 26th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
@ Larry:
“Defense wins championships.”
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Not necessarily.
In the Super Bowl, the Giants and their 27th overall defense faced the Patriots and their 31st overall defense.
Its funny how the same people who question the impact of RBs in today’s NFL still think defense is king in the NFL. All of the elite teams have explosive offenses. PERIOD.
April 26th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
I like the idea of Richardson, but DON’t trade up! Let the draft come to you, play some poker. We’ll get him at #5 or we’ll get Claiborne – fine either way. If they’re both gone, who cares, you’ve got Kalil or trade down. Heck, if Bills give you #10 and #41 for Kalil, consider it our lucky day. We get Barron or Kuechly, plus 2 high 2nd rounders and a high 3rd to pick up LB’s or DB’s and a RB.
Our futility in picking talent in the 3rd round does not make that pick worthless, we need it and we need it to be a good player for a change. Remember, our only decent LB was a 3rd rounder last year!
April 26th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
I think the best thing the bucs can do is draft MC if he falls to us!! and doug martin in the 2nd.. and trade our 3rd round for Osi Umenyiora to the giants.. His leadership can teach our young Dline how to play. Our team will be way better this way! We get two instant starters on defense and a new playmaker on offense!
April 26th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Hey Joe,
Just found myself in Manhattan overnight about 8 blocks from Radio City. Will you be at draft? If so, have any room in the Bucs cheering section?
April 26th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Win now Rock.
If you don’t not even Joe’s effervescent man crush will save you!
April 26th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
The Bucs are in position to get an elite player at 5. Why waste picks to move up to pick a RB? In my mind, this would be the only way the Bucs could screw this pick up.
April 26th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
April 26th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
I was hoping cam newton would have won the madden cover so the curse would be on him.
April 26th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
I love TR3, would love to have him on the squad, but logical it doesnt make sense to trade up and get him because the leaky defense of ours. I believe there is enough RB talent in later rounds. Our best bet is to stay put and draft BPA and or trade down.
April 26th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Dominik has moved up to get the ” Franchise ” Freeman when no one else was even sniffing around Josh Freeman. So don’t be surprised if we move
April 26th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Bummer. As much as I enjoy tormenting the T Richardson crowd, if we had signed Asante Samuels( or Grimes , Etc), I would have been hoping we signed Richardson! He will be a great back.
But our need on defense is so great. And Claiborne will be a pro bowler for tears to come. He’s that good!
April 26th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
I agree with snook I would rather have Luke Kuechly than mo.And Luke is not anoyher Ruud he is far far better.
April 26th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
I was just reading the comments to see if anyone was working on the roof of the the owners or GM’s house and heard the inside scoop. I can’t wait to see who ‘rock star’ Dom and coach Sherman pick.
April 26th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
I have been on the Mo bandwagon for a while but I just thought of something. if this has already been said I’m sorry for repeating.
With the pass happy league that we are seeing more of the defenses are built to stop the pass and are therefore smaller and less able to stop the run. I think we will see the great success of running backs in the coming years as defenses look to improve secondaries. Richardson could be the right pick when i take that perspective.
April 26th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
The only way I would trade up to #3 is if I would then re-trade the pick to a team like the Jets. We could get plenty of value for that trade and still be at #16. We could look at Kuechly, Hightower, Barron, or Upshaw. But that will never happen. So enjoy the 5th pick in the draft and take Mo when its our turn. LB/S in 2nd and RB in 3rd.
April 26th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Trading up to get Richardson is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. If it does I will openly admit I know nothing about football because to me that would just be dumber than hell.
April 26th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
I was just cleaning my own roof when a strange voice told me who the bucs were going to pick.Wow it was our gm he talkes to roof cleaners.Ha ha ha ha.
April 26th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Nate, was that a joke?Emmitt is only the all time rushing.leader. Oh to all of you about the short shelf life for rbs. How long did Emmitt play? More than ten years right? And what were the Cowboys before Emmitt came there? A 1-15 team with a good qb.
April 26th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Nice roundtable mock draft video with most of the NFL Network staff making the teams picks over on nfl.com. Interesting choices and good banter as well.
April 26th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
I still laugh at everyone that wants to trade out or not trade up to hold onto lower round picks. THOSE ARE GOING TO PAN OUT LESS THAN 50% OF THE TIME!!!!!!!!! TR, IMO, is elite. So with that thinking I would give my #5 pick and my 3rd pick plus a 5th or 6th to go get him. Each draft only produces 1-3 “Special” players and I personally think TR is one of those. Kuechly and MC might be good players but TR is better.
Also I would love to see them be really bold if Kuechly slides to mid round 1. I would trade our #2 this year and #2 next year to go back into rd 1 for him. Even if we only came out of this draft with two players how sweet would it be to get an elite RB and possible stud ILB in one draft.
If you look at any teams past draft they may pick 6-9 players but only 2-3 actually pan out anyway.
April 26th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
@R Cantrell,
Understand your logic, but your odds are much better of finding 2 players that pan out out 6-9 players than it is from 2 players. Miss or have an injury in either player and you just wasted another pick and lost the opportunity to make up for with the selections you gave up to get them.
April 26th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
@ Bobby,
No need to openly admit it, we already figured that out. LOL Just kiddin’ man. lol
April 26th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
I’ve got a question…
Joe always seems to bang on PR for using unnamed sources.
How is this any different? She claims this is from “league sources”.
That’s pretty vague.
April 26th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
@ R Cantrell
Aren’t you aware that we can find talent like Allen Bradford, Myron Lewis Roy Miller and Kyle Moore in later rounds?
Why would you want to trade those chances away?
April 26th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
@ Snook, yes I forgot about all the talent that is consistently drafted in later rounds! And people its not just the Bucs, go look at the years past 3rd picks and later. Sure their are some gems but that is the exception not the norm. Rd 1 is the only round that has consistently produced top talent so get as many picks and as high of picks as you can in rd 1.
Quantity is not better than quality in the draft.
April 26th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Drafting TR will make our offense better, yes. However, the top offenses in the league all were out of the playoffs before the superbowl last season with the exception of one, and that team was lead by Brady and Belichik. No matter how much the league moves to a pass-first one, it still takes a defense to win a championship. For those saying Claiborne won’t help the defense until we get a pass rush, CBs help pass rushers out by covering their man and forcing the QB to hold onto the ball longer, resulting in more sacks and turnovers. The FO needs to sit tight and see who falls to them (hopefully Claiborne), and then determine whether a pick or a move back should be made. Trading up in the first should be out of the question.
April 26th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
@ FlBoy84
Your right but round 1 produces the least amount of “missed” picks. Also remember that I personally think TR is much more elite than CM or Keuchly. If you do not think TR is that elite then that is a seperate arguement all toegether.
April 26th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
JUST MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Joe hates TR and thats fine but there are others who love this kid and want to see him dawn the Pewter and Red!!!! i hope Dom can make it happen. only 5 1/2 more hours to go (im in St. Louis btw)!
BUC IT IM OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 26th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Can you imagine what it’d be like had we traded away our 3rd round pick last year? Yeah, the one that netted us Luke Stocker and lost us our 4th round pick?
We’d be lost without Stocker.
April 26th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
I just figure out why this writer can use the vague “league sources” and Joe doesn’t think twice about it.
Its because she looks like this:
http://media.cleveland.com/avatars/3460.png
Glad I figured that out.
April 26th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
I think the need of the team and the value of the #5 pick to Minn should and could make this trade happen. The need for the Buc’s to get a immediate impact player to change the way other teams defense perceives their offense and to not be passive again and not let a Calvin Johnson type impact slip away are all viable logic to go get him. It is really amazing what one super stud can really do for an organization. If the Buc’s show me this and go get him, I will then be a future season ticket holder…
April 26th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
5 hours and 20 minutes…
April 26th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Did anybody ever think just because you add TR we are automatic to control everything?? And you know we will NOT score every time. You pick on Blount but forget Freeman FUMBLED 9 TIMES. So we give the ball back to the other team then OMG OUR DEFENSE is on the field. We already know how fast they can be scored on. So exactly where do we need to beef up. Offense?? Me thinks not.
April 26th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
@BucFan20
Just a heads-up:
The worst part of our defense is not going to be around in 2012.
And that’s Raheem Morris.
April 26th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Richardson will have more impact than any other option with our 1st round pick.
In order to get this franchise to the next level, we need to go out on a limb, and try something unconventional.
Time to start a new era in Tampa.
New Coach, New Attitude, New Super Star RB. Well worth the cost of moving up.
April 26th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
I love guys like RCantell that just state things like “There are only 1 to 3 elite talents in every draft”. How convenient that tailors into your argument about trading up to #3! Only problem is, that it is a MADE UP STATISTIC! ALERT! MADE UP STATISTIC! This is just patently false.
Besides the Buc’s need for one “Elite player” at whoever we draft first, we need starters at several other positions safety, CB, LBs, & 1A RB. Everyone citing 3rd round picks don’t matter is just fooling themselves. You need several picks so you can attempt to find your Tom Brady’s, Stevie Johnsons, Adrian Fosters, and on and on the list of talented guys who get picked late or not at all. The end of the day “No one really knows” it’s speculation T-Rich, Luck, Griffin, Claiborne, Kallil someone will be a bust for sure, the odds almost gurantee it. Thus, the more picks you have the better chance to offset a potential miss. Anyone claiming otherwise that a player is a 100% can’t miss prospect, is a liar & a fool.
April 26th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
@BucFan20
Oh and with TR, we’d get rid of the slow starts we watched for 3 seasons under Tweedle-Dee and Tweedle-Dumb.
You know what really helps a defense?
Actually scoring points in the 1st quarter. Hell, even getting first downs would help.
April 26th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Bobby,
Please don’t pidgeon hole the Bucs’ decision with something your mind, knowledge and opinion refuse to accept.
Anything is possible, all of us here are discussing our views bc bottom line none of us know what in the heck the Bucs are going to do.
April 26th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
I can’t post it in the other story, but damn that pork shank looks great.
April 26th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
We should’ve traded for Samuels and not signed Wright. Then we could’ve gotten Richardson! I agree with Capt. Tim!
April 26th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
@Matthew:
I don’t think anyone is saying TR is 100% can’t miss.
But he’d be a lot more beneficial and impactful to this offense than Luke Stocker was last year. And we gave up a 4th to draft him earlier in the 3rd. So the Bucs essentially used 2 picks to draft Stocker.
Would you trade Luke Stocker (2 picks) to move up and take TR?
April 26th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Me likey Snook’s sarcasm.
Trade away late picks for the best position player in the draft, and best RB since Adrian Peterson.
Yes Please!
April 26th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
I can’t wait for the draft tonight. Hope to be at the Draft Party with Joe and Justin this evening, and finally get closure on who Tampa will draft in round one.
April 26th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
The anticipation leading up to this draft is most exciting.
Lets hope Dom can deliver.
April 26th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Its a good thing we didn’t trade up to get Calvin Johnson.
Who knows what the Buccaneers franchise would’ve done without Arron Sears, Sabby the Goat, Quincy Black, Tanard Jackson and Greg Peterson.
That’d be all of our picks from Round 2-5 in the 2007 draft. Hell, throw in Kenneth Darby and Chris Denman from the 7th round too.
April 26th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Snook,
You have really improved with your analysis.
We need a list of the anti – TR contingent – because if the Bucs land him – you will be the first ladies acting as if you we dying for him.
Stop acting like Blount is anywhere in the same universe of player as TR – nobody with any sense agrees. Blount is a below average NFL RB. If he wasn’t cheap he would probably not be on the team if the team acquired a real #1 like TR or a tier 1 or 2 free agent.
April 26th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Snook easy there arm chair QB. Anyone can play the result with hindsight. Let’s try your game, would you trade up for Trent Richardson giving away Darrell Revis (1st round) and Tom Brady (6th Round pick)? The point is T-Rich is not above and beyond Claiborne despite what the posters on here say. They are very close in regards to elite talents at their positions. No one knows if one or the other will be a bust or pro bowler. To say you know otherwise is to be disingenuous.
April 26th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Keep it coming Snook!
Oh Capt. Timbo!!! Quit watching Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory and get on here.
Let’s go!
April 26th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Nevermind, we don’t need TR. The name Kenneth Darby reminded me that you can find quality RBs in later rounds. Let’s not forget about Cory Boyd either.
April 26th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Trading up for a running back.
I swear, either you folks don’t actually like this team are you’re more interested in it being “entertaining” than actually filling holes.
We’re a crap team and mortaging the farm on one player is the best way to maintain being a crap team.
April 26th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
MAtthew,
C’mon MAN!
WE dont have Bellicheck and Pioli calling the draft shots.
Get REAL!
Chris Simms, Quincy Black, Myron Lewis, Roy Miller….
Solid 3rd rounders.
We are not good enough at drafting players later in rounds. It would be money better allocated to buy up and take an impact plater.
April 26th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
@ Thomas
You’ve lost me. Are you attacking me or agreeing with me?
April 26th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
in2007 we passed on Adrian Peterson to take Gaines Adams (RIP) and traded Adams away 2 or 3 years later, so would you risk doing that again since NOBODY in ANY draft is a guarantee??? Peterson is a game changer and Richardson draws a ton of comparison to his skill and ability…. i just dont think you can let this guy slip through our fingers, dont make the same mistake that we did in 2007. NO DISRESPECT TO GAINES ADAMS!!!!!! BUC IT IM OUT!!!!!
April 26th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Thomas quit pretending to have insider information. Trent Richardson hasn’t played a down in the NFL, you have as much personal experience that he’s an elite RB in the NFL as you do for what the ground on Jupiter feels like.
I’m in the Anti Bucs-pick Richardson camp (not anti Richardson as a guy/player), so make your list all! I’ve also gone on record that I’d GLADLY be wrong “if” we pick Richardson, as I’m a Buc’s fan/season ticket holder first and foremost. So if they take him, I’ll hope for the best & root for the guy because we will have invested a high pick in him. Can you say the same if the Buc’s draft Claiborne or take Kuechely?
April 26th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
@Matthew:
Brady is an exception to the rule.
Brent Bowden, Geno Hayes and Bruce Gradkowski are more like regular 6th round picks.
April 26th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Snook past results are not proof of causality. Based on your theory we should have never drafted Freeman as we have always drafted terrible QBs in the first round! C’mon man, we disagree but at least use sound logic to make your argument. Have we missed on draft picks under Dominik of course! But go look at the “gifted Polian, belichek, pioli” they’ve had TERRIBLE drafts too but they get masked because they lucked into Elite guys like Brady, Manning, ect. You may change how you scout or approach the picks but you don’t stop making picks & mortgage your draft for ONE GUY simply because you’ve had a bad few previous drafts. Under your logic we should be terrified the Buc’s want to place all our chips in Richardsons basket since they drafted so poorly previously! Thanks for proving my argument.
April 26th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
I’ve always wanted TR. At first, I was against trading away picks to do so.
But after looking at how horrible our franchise is at drafting solid players in later rounds, I’m actually hoping the Bucs do trade up.
But I doubt it’ll happen.
Instead, we’ll get a cornerback who’s not even the consensus best CB in this draft. He’ll look great on our defense chasing WRs around as our D-Line gets no pressure. But at least he’ll be there!
April 26th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
I say we pick up Richardson. You can’t rebuild a team in a year, but with a pick up like that it’s one heck of an off-season! VJ, Carl Nicks, Eric Wright, Trent Richardson…I’d say that was great. Hopefully we’ll push off Aqib Talib to Minnesota in the deal. I’d look strongly for LB or CB in the remainder of the draft. Another possibility would be to pick up a TE. Russell Wilson is worth a hard look as well. I don’t think Orlovsky is gonna cut it, but there’s a passion behind Wilson that cannot be denied!
April 26th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
@ Matthew:
I’ve said nothing about the Bucs’ results in the 1st round. And comparing the Freeman pick to anything I’m talking about is pretty stupid.
I liked the Freeman pick. And as I remember, I was in the minority on that one. Oh, by the way, didn’t we trade up for Freeman?
Thanks.
April 26th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
@Snook
John Lynch 3rd Round
Ronde Barber 3rd Round
Justin Tuck 3rd Round Pick
Jared Allen 4th Round Pick
Terrell Owens 3rd Round Pick
Jason Taylor 3rd Round Pick
Frank Gore 3rd Round Pick
Lance Briggs 3rd Round Pick
Jason WItten 3rd Round Pick
Brian Westbrook 3rd Round Pick
Steve Smith 3rd Round Pick
Joey Porter 3rd Round Pick
Hines Ward 3rd Round pick
Do you need me to list more???
April 26th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
I desperately wanted a defensive pick but then i saw this video and said “oh-hell no!” If there’s a slight chance to get this guy then go for it! He’s special…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abk3HgvwEeI
check the move at 3:42, not many RBs in the NFL can pull that off!
April 26th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
@ Matthew:
Comparing our two theories… you keep mentioning Brady. He’s the EXCEPTION to the rule.
Your theory is garbage.
Using 2 picks to get Luke Stocker is proof enough.
April 26th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
@Matthew
That’s a great list.
Now list all of the 3rd round picks that haven’t done ANYTHING.
Its 20 times longer.
April 26th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
I would try just our 1st and 3rd this year. If that didn’t work, go with our 1st and 3rd this year, a 3rd and 5th next year for their 1st and 4th round picks this year.
Everybody seems to forget that this defense is the same one that went 10-6 in 2010. There is 1 difference and that is Barrett Ruud and he did not in any way make our run defense any better. Actually our defense was better with GMC and Grimm on the field. Both years, our defense started to decline when those 2 got injured.
With a better offense this year, GMC + Price + Grimm returning from injuries, a real defensive coordinator and a real HC. I believe the defense will be better this year. Remember we’ve added Rennie Curran who was a very good LB at Georgia and added another CB than we had last year.
We need TR to complete this offense, Doug Martin is not going to cut it. Whoever said that we should take LMJ in the 2nd, that is worse than trading up 2 spots to take TR.
We could even trade Aqib Talib after his trial if he is found not guilty and after he serves his suspension issued by NFL warden/commissioner GODell.
April 26th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
@ Matthew
Bucs 3rd round picks since 2002:
Marquis Walker
Chris Simms
Marquis Cooper
Chris Colmer
Maurice Stovall
Quincy Black
Jeremy Zuttah
Roy Miller
Myron Lewis
Mason Foster
What a list of superstars!!!
The only one worth a crap is Zuttah and the jury is still out on Foster.
We done here?
April 26th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
@Snook we are just using your logic that you stated of “The Bucs are bad at late round picks, based upon previous drafts (your evidence) so they don’t matter and we don’t need them”. This is your philosophy & belief. Thus, just apply to QBs, according to you Freeman was a mistake because the Bucs were HORRENDOUS at drafting QBs. I disagree with your original point; that the past 100% predicts the future. The more picks the Buc’s have in a consensus by actual talent evaluators “LOADED DRAFT”, the better chance we have to find 1 maybe even two elite football players to help our team win. We just disagree, and that’s fine.
April 26th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
How in the #@!% DOES ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT LUKE STOCKER??!!
The guy barely played last year and was injured. I don’t know if he’s good or bad and neither do you. He could turn out to be a helluva TE or he could turn out to be a bust but it’s waaaayyyy too early to put a label on that kid.
April 26th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
@rdbucfan
Swapping 1sts and giving Minny our 3rd round pick in 2012 and 2013 would get it done according to the old points value chart.
But then we might miss out on the next Luke Stocker or Roy Miller.
April 26th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
“The guy barely played last year and was injured.”
Exactly.
He made quite an impact.
April 26th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Jim Brown is not impressed and also thinks it’s a QB/passing driven league. It will be mere few minutes from this post until people say they know more about RB’s then the great JB.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/26/jim-brown-not-impressed-with-ordinary-trent-richardson/
April 26th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
whoa ! wasn’t Reidel anthony a 3rd rd pick……
April 26th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
@ Matthew:
The point is that the chances of the BUCCANEERS (not anyone else) finding a starter in the 3rd round aren’t very good.
I’m not quite sure why you keep going back to the Freeman argument. I’m not comparing certain positions in certain rounds. I’m just looking at the quality of players in general.
If you look back on the recent Bucs drafted in the 1st round, I’d say they’ve done pretty well. So I wouldn’t argue the Freeman thing you keep bringing up.
And you didn’t acknowledge the fact the Bucs actually traded UP to secure Freeman.
April 26th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Jim Brown is a senile , old , WIFE BEATER
April 26th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
And a hall of fame RB. What’s your creds?
April 26th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
@ALSTOTTMART!
I don’t really care what Jim Brown has to say about current players. Is he a GM of a successful franchise? Or even a scout?
With your argument, Michael Jordan would have the Charlotte Bobcats in the NBA Finals every year.
April 26th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
if someone can show me how a ‘third round pick next year’ and a low round pic this year adds up to the number 3 over all pick using this, what GM’s use ill stop laughing at you
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/draft/draft-trade-chart/
April 26th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
All of this talk is nonsense anyways, people.
The draft is going to fall in place exactly like it was predicted weeks ago.
This is all just to create a buzz about a boring, predictable Top 5.
1 – Luck
2 – RG3
3 – Kalil
4 – Richardson
5 – Claiborne
We’ll talk in 3 years and compare our later draft picks to what TR does in the NFL.
April 26th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
No one’s arguing about trading up thus there is no reason to address it. I’m arguing about not drafting Richardson. The reason I keep bringing up Freeman is just extrapolating your argument against the Buc’s and applying it to other areas/rounds. Let’s try one more time “You are using past Buc’s draft histories of the late rounds to prove your point that we shouldn’t care about holding on to our late round picks”. Your argument’s entire structure is based on the past determining the future. All I’m doing is applying your Argument/Use of Logic to the Freeman pick. According to you, you would have not drafted Freeman due to the Buc’s PAST inability to draft/scout a talented QB. I disagree with this line of thinking/logic. I loved the Freeman pick, and I’d like the Buc’s to collect as many picks as possible in this “supposed” loaded draft, as we have several holes on the team and adding a single RB will (Elite or Not) won’t fix that. Again, we just disagree on how the Buc’s should proceed & that is fine. All analysis on players in this draft by you, me, thomas, McShay, ect is purely speculation, no one knows anything for sure till they actually play in the league.
April 26th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
@ Snook
I didn’t see Morris on the field when they were getting their A$$ run over.
April 26th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
I take his opinion with a lot more merit then the armchair GM’s of JBF, that’s for sure.
And, sure, Jordan. There are scores of great NBA players who have become great coaches and GM’s…Phil Jackson? Kupchak? Jerry West? I would need more time to make a list.
The thing is, I don’t dislike Richarson. I just think we need far, far, far greater help elsewhere, and can get RB in later rounds as well as next year.
April 26th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
@ Dan
Minny’s 1st rounder – 2200
TB’s 1st rounder – 1700
TB’s 3rd rounder – 245
TB’s 3rd rounder in 2013 – 190 (using an average of the 3rd round points)
That’s 2200 for 2135. Pretty close. Trading future picks isn’t an exact science because you don’t know order.
Pretty sure Minnesota would take 2 free 3rd rounders to move down and still get the guy they want (Kalil).
But its not happening.
April 26th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
“I didn’t see Morris on the field when they were getting their A$$ run over.”
————
I did. He was there on the sidelines coaching them. And looking clueless each and every week.
And he was all of the (non) practices last year, too.
Are we saying coaches don’t matter now?
I guess it was all the players in back in 2002. Kiffin gets no credit?
April 26th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
@ALSTOTTSMART:
I’ll let the Bucs know that they need to only hire scouts/GM/coaches who were superstars in the NFL.
April 26th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Bucfan20,
No, Morris wasn’t on the field he was just the guy who orchestrated that hot mess we called a defense the last 3 years. He was the guy who called the plays that left every single defender we had on the field out of position and so spread out that making gang tackles was absolutely impossible.
April 26th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Matthew:
And who says this draft is “LOADED”?
And I’m done arguing over this “past results” crap.
We’ll get together in 3 years and evaluate the crappy guys we took in rounds 3-7.
April 26th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Have a nice night, guys.
And let’s remember, all of this talk is for nothing anyways.
The pick tonight at #5 is Claiborne.
We’ll just have to look back and think “what could’ve been” when we see TR light up the league like Calving Johnson.
Oh well.
April 26th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Bucfan20,
Are you trying to say that Morris is not to blame for anything that happened on defense the last 3 years?
Was Greg Williams on the field while the Taints defenders were allegedly trying to injure other players?
If that is the case, call Roger GODell and tell him to reinstate Greg Williams immediately because the defensive coordinator is not responsible for anything that happens on the field.
April 26th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Calving Johnson?
I meant Calvin. Hahaha
April 26th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Tim dont even try to save face and say trent is going to be good, we all know what your take on him is, and we will be rubbing it in your face for years,go away troll
April 26th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
the thing i keep hearing though is that ‘we give them a third next year and a late round this year’
not doable it would probably be 2 picks this year a 2nd and a 6 or a third and a 5
April 26th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Just a few hours till Draft time and here’s my final guess owhat we’ll see the Bucs do:
ROUND #:
1. Claiborne or Kuechly (if Claiborne is already taken)
2. Jenkins or beast available LB
3. Lamichael James or Isiah Pead
I think I’d be pleased with any combination of these…especially if we got Kuechly and Jenkins and James….three players who can impact the team positively right away!!
April 26th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Nice try. Never said the coaches had nothing to do with it. But I watched them get pushed around like RAG DOLLS. What were you watching??
April 26th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Are we going to keep harping on this for the next four hours?
April 26th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
And Williams was not on the field when the Saints were trying to hurt people. But at least they were playing physical football. And before you ask somethig stupid like that again, NO I do not approve of the actions of Williams.
April 26th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Sorry Bobby. Lets try a new game. What exact time will we find out who the Bucs pick??
April 26th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
@ bobby YES !
April 26th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
why all the hate toward the next Chuck Noll?
April 26th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
id be ok with trading picks to get richardson, dude is a monster. we’d give up maybe 3 rounder? thats ok with me
April 26th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
lets skip to round seven, who is this years blount? herzlich?
April 26th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Vikings are trying their best to put fear in Dominick. Because he panicked in the past and traded up, they are trying to trick him into trading up again.
I stay stay pat or trade down a few spots.
April 26th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Snook Says:
April 26th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
I’ve got a question…
Joe always seems to bang on PR for using unnamed sources.
.
That’s because PR is well known for making things up and attributing it to sources, and when they are wrong they remove the content from their site.
April 26th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
@ dan Burfict
April 26th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
No way Burfict comes to the Bucs while Schiano is coach. We may as well bring in Janoris Jenkins too. We need to stick with high character guys.
April 26th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
If the Glazers want to sell tickets and put some genuine excitement back into the franchise, then they will indeed trade up and snag our “bell cow”.
April 26th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Trying to get Dom to panic is like trying to get RahRah to say something unintelligible or Gerald getting hurt during disappointing play – it is a given.
Thankfully we finally have a football man in Schiano, and also Sullivan etc.
I suspect that they have professionally told Dom – “sit down boy the men are going to take care of this.”. Dom can handle the kickers and the salary cap.
T Rich = explosiveness.
Mo or Kali = little impact for 2012-13 even if they play well.
April 26th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
@BigMackAttack on trading back with the Bills and drafting Kuechly or Barron…
Amen Brother Amen….
April 26th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
KEUCKLY!!!!!! people you got dbs and a rb thats serviceable, you got 3 LBS that werent and missing one of them and no replacements, wake up retards. We are trading down or taking him at 5 if we cant, write it down
April 26th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Yeah Thomas…..that’s gonna happen. Coaches tell GM’s what to do all the time in the NFL. After all….coach>GM right? NO wait….I guess not. Another classically stupid post. You’re good for at least two a day.
April 26th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
@ben…..ehhhhhh….no, we’re not taking Kuechly at #5. If we can’t trade down then it will be either Richardson or Claiborne..whichever one is there.