Shaky 2012 Tight End Class Forced Stocker Pick
March 1st, 2012
The market might be ripe for a trade of No. 82
While Joe’s pretty confident productive and cost-friendly Kellen Winslow will return to the Bucs in 2012, Joe’s now wondering about Winslow’s potential trade value.
Brad Biggs of the Chicago Tribune, and other scribes, have written about how the 2012 class of free agent tight ends is weak along with this year’s draft class of tight ends.
Even rockstar general manager Mark Dominik isn’t impressed by the TEs out there in the draft, so much so that he recently told Movin’ the Chains on SiriusXM NFL Radio that he made the bold move and forked over a fourth round pick in 2011 and 2012 to the Eagles to draft Luke Stocker last year because this year’s crop is so thin.
“So last year, that’s why we traded up to get Luke Stocker, because we didn’t feel like this year’s draft class was going to be a great tight end draft class,” Dominik said. “You always try to forecast forward what are the strenghts and weaknesses of the next year’s draft class. That’s really why we went and got Luke Stocker last year.”
So Joe has to wonder, with good tight ends tough to find now, whether Dominik might sniff the market’s interest in a trade for Winslow. He might fetch a second- or third-round pick.
If the Bucs score a legitimate No. 1 receiver in free agency and commit to pounding the running game, like Greg Schiano claims he wants to do, all of a sudden Winslow doesn’t seem as a valuable.
March 1st, 2012 at 6:46 pm
You want a tight end, just watch the basketball games at tournament time.
March 1st, 2012 at 6:47 pm
I’d gladly fill the hole @ this years 4th round (missing) draft pick for heads up trade for WinSlowCan’tPracticeNeverDroppedaPassThat Wasn’t ThrownToMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
March 1st, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Winslow isn’t valuable regardless of what we do. He can’t practice, can’t block, can’t separate and gets nothing after the catch. A 2nd or 3rd round pick for Winslow would easily be the greatest trade of all time, which is why it won’t happen. Why would anyone give anything up for him?
March 1st, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Simple just trade out 1st round pick to the Steelers for Walace – there’s your WR. Then shop Winslooow and can’t block on the market for a 2nd round pick. I LIKE!
March 1st, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Heard Ben Mcdaniels may have been hired as QB coach from coachingsearch.com and thats a legit source
March 1st, 2012 at 7:10 pm
I realize it was just 1 season, but Stocker looked awfully GMC-like (often injured and unproductive) to me.
I admit that I was in favor of the Stocker pick before the season. I think you would have to say that it looks like another boneheaded pop star move to trade up for Stocker at this point.
This area just has bad luck with Stockers: the d rays took Kevin stocker over Bobby abreu and others with their inaugural expansion draft pick.
I will be rooting for Stocker but he will need to make major gains this year.
Please, please, please get rid of Winslow – all remnants of RahRah need to be excised ASAP or disciplined winning football cannot commence.
March 1st, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Put Winslow in at safety … Dude can hit!
March 1st, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Our leading receiver for several years is useless. Our only real mismatch.
That’s funny as hell
March 1st, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Thomas- root all you want. He had Hands of stone at Tennessee- has them here.
Meybe we can transplant winslows hands on him- only way he’s gonna be any good to us. Poor blocker also
March 1st, 2012 at 8:15 pm
If we trade Winslow this year, I see us drafting Trent Richardson as a real possibility. You have to replace what Winslow gives us with something, which would be a fast dude to catch out of the backfield.
It would transform us into a run first team which can pound it, drop it off and run, or take the shot down the field. I’m not in favor of getting Richardson that high though… so let’s keep Winslow, who’s productive, and call it a day since we can’t easily replace him
March 1st, 2012 at 8:30 pm
OK, so get rid of Winslow. Who’s his replacement?
If there’s no one in FA, and no one in the draft, at the TE position, who is as good as – or better than him, then why drop him. If we sign a better TE in FA or via trade, then let him be gone.
But in the meantime, why get rid of the guy if he doesnt put a dent on the payroll, has been Freeman’s bailout for the last few seasons due to lack of protection and WRs who couldn’t get open if their lives depended on it?
I say we keep him for one more year, in the meantime finding his succesor for 2013.
March 1st, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Thomas- all remnants of Raheem? Guess Freeman, Blount, M.Williams, Briscoe, Parker, Lorig,Clayborn, Price, Bowers, Foster, and Grimm all better pack it up!
But wait- isn’t that the entire”Core” that yer new hero- Tinyville U coach,is so excited about transforming into a “consistant contender”
Plus you don’t wanna purge that sweet 10-6 record he gave us! Tied for fourth best ever in the Bucs 37 year history!
If we purged all that- Schiano would be stuck with yer hero Gruden’s boys- TrueBlood, Quincy Black, Gino Hayes, Aqib Taliban, Smokey Jackson, Skid Mack
Wow- we barely canned that lil guy in time! He didn’t leave us nothing but a full trash bin ta throw out!
Or did ya mean-” clear out all the remnants of lil Chucky, or we’ll never win!”
Cause it seems like that bunch of quitters are the bad apples!
Volley to you, sir. I believe that might be an ace!
March 1st, 2012 at 9:01 pm
I see your point Jrock. I guess we’ll have to see how FA goes first.
I love the ‘armchair GM’ time of year.. But I’m sure that March 13th will be met with fear by the Gla
March 1st, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Wow Dominik is trying to sound like he looked that far ahead and landed a miserable TE in the process. It might be best if Dominik takes the approach Schiano is taking with Freeman. Just erase the past and start fresh. You might not want to highlight more blunders Dominik. I also don’t get your reasoning of getting rid of Winslow Joe. If this years draft is weak, if FA is weak, if who we drafted last year was weak, why in the hell would we make the position weaker by trading Winslow? That makes zero sense to me.
March 1st, 2012 at 9:19 pm
If the Bucs get rid of Winsno they better get somebody productive to replace him. As bad as he has played at times. Hate to say it but he was one of the only bright spots on the offense most Sundays. If that doesn’t tell you how bad the rest of the offense was last year. I don’t know what does.
Winsno can’t practice which keeps him from developing a rhythm with Freeman. His “likes to fight guy” BS after ever catch makes me crazy and the untimely stupid arse penalties all add up to more negatives that out weigh the small amount of positives Winsno brings to the table.
March 1st, 2012 at 10:31 pm
It was one season.
When are you people going to give these guys 2-3 healthy seasons to prove themselves?
And someone please explain to me why so many of you want to throw some of the Bucs WRs, RBs, & TEs under the bus when YOU are the same people to point out that the offensive play calling sucked?
Shouldn’t some of this very young players in years 1-3 get more of chance that that?
Shouldn’t they get a chance to show what they can do in a different offense?
I get they need Stocker to step up and need to find someone to replce K2 SOON.
I get they need a speedy RB complement.
I get they need a fast outside WR threat.
But all that is just extra to add. I don’t see any of the main youngsters on offense as needing to be thrown out already.
March 1st, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Right On!, Captain!
We need to keep Winslow, but his no practice during the week, expecting to play on Sunday MO! Will not sit well with coach Schiano or coach Sullivan. I hope we get better play from Stocker this season, we do have a few unknown back ups.
March 1st, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Thomas? You out there?
{crickets}
March 1st, 2012 at 11:05 pm
What do you think, Rustyrhino? Did we finally leave ole Tommy speechless!
He ain’t got much defense for that load of losers( except for Trueblood- who improved a lil this year)
March 1st, 2012 at 11:16 pm
Dave I think being Coached is what all of our players need, young and older…
March 2nd, 2012 at 12:30 am
Agreed Rusty and Tim, Schiano will make him practice. Winslow is not going anywhere and neither is Talib (assuming he doesn’t go to jail). They are inexpensive. Sorry Joe, you missed on this one. If someone is willing to give us a 2nd round pick, they are retarted.
March 2nd, 2012 at 1:12 am
K2’s not going anywhere. We need his passion and NFL veteranship. K2 can catch and is one of our only playmakers. Sure he’s getting up in age and has bad knees but you don’t cut your hand off b/c of some splinters. K2’s not the problem. Bad playcalling, poor offensive line production, other receivers’ inability to get open, way too many 3rd and longs, a piss poor defense and constantly playing from behind with a young QB who wasn’t used to knowing what to do after losing week after week was/is the issue.
March 2nd, 2012 at 8:40 am
We missed getting the TE we needed in 2010, during what is being called the best TE class ever. They better do something in free agency bcuz their drafting continues to be weak. How about under the radar free agent TE Joel Dreeson from Houston.