Bucs In Ultimate Bargaining Position
January 25th, 2012
With news today of the Colts and Raiders filling their head coaching vacancies — both with guys apparently off the Bucs’ radar – the Bucs now sit as the lone NFL team without a head coach.
Joe couldn’t imagine Team Glazer sitting in a better bargaining position than where they are right now. Any potential head coaching candidate that really wants an NFL coaching gig (not like flip-flopping Chip Kelly) has lost all his leverage. There’s only one gig left, and that’s in Tampa.
Team Glazer and rockstar general manager Mark Dominik have even more time now to scrutinize their remaining candidates and negotiate a Bucs-friendly deal. The later start to free agency this season takes even more pressure off the Bucs.
Though Kelly surely would have broken the bank with the Bucs job, Joe expects the actual head coach to have no such luck.
January 25th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
i hope so..
January 25th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Why in hell do you think they’ve waited so long? Now they can go back to their penny pinching ways while we stare ANOTHER 3-13 season in the face!
January 25th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
That’s sounds all fine and dandy. But what quality coach whom will want to hire their own staff will want to work for this GM? I believe the lack of talented candidates is limited due to our pop star. Until the Glazers realize this we will be forced to hire the likes of Sherman who won’t care who the GM is. Fire this bum before its too late and bring in a real rock star to turn this franchise around.
January 25th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
I was really behind these guys but they’re losing me fast. I’ll still go to the games, but man I ain’t a happy camper right now. Get a clue guys.
January 25th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
I believe now what there doing is having all the coaching canidates put all there names in a hat. Whoevers name is pulled is the next HC. Lol
January 25th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
The only Sherman I would be happy with right now is William Tecumseh Sherman. He’d burn One Buc Place to the ground and then head across the street.
January 25th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
I disagree. The bucs are at a disadvantage because filling a staff is slim pickinga.
January 25th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
The Glazers have done the right thing. There were no slam dunk head coach prospects this year and now they have all the time in the world to vet their candidates. Other teams have made knee jerk moves to hire “the guy” in a year when there were no obvious “guys”. Now the Glazers and dom can sit back and intelligently weigh all the options.
Not to mention that those options now include both coordinators from a Giants team that has seemed to massively overachieve and may now potentially beat the invincible Patriot machine for a second time.
Thank god we arent run by the guys that run the Raiders. Who is their new head coach? Did anyone else even interview him? Im sure he will be fired after one or two seasons at most as per pretty much every Raiders coach since Chucky.
January 25th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
They gotta have this wrapped up by the weekend. I Pray they do anyway.
January 25th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
@beckles. I hope they do that but the fact they’re having second interviews is a little concerning especially when Sherman is one of them. That guy shouldn’t have been on any list.
January 25th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Just man up and give Cowher whatever he wants and let’s get on with it .
January 25th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
The only reason fans want a coach hired already is because the average fan is the average consumer. Cant wait to save the money to buy what they want. Put it on credit and live with never ending debt right?
Well not me. And apparently not the Glazers. Consumers=fans and money burns a hole in the pockets of consumers\fans.
You kneejerk fans cant live with the fact a coach hasn’t been hired yet for the same reason you can’t stop yourselves from pissing away every penny you get the moment you get it.
Oh wait your an intelligent, financially responsible person? Then im not talking to you. Or you want to get on your little horse and pretend you are while in reality your looking for your next painkiller fix.
Patience- does that word even exist in sports fandom?
Too bad we didnt hire Jeff Fisher just because that was the ONLY name the average kneejerk fan IMMEDIATELY recognized the moment Raheem was fired. Now everything is RUINED FOREVER. The Bucs will never win another win another game.
January 25th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
I’m beginning to think (hope) that Sherman is not the guy. Making that move contradicts what the Glazers stand for (secrecy). Everybody and their mother is making that prediction but they are all just guessing albeit educated guesses. The Glazers may be a lot of things but hiring Sherman would add stupid to the list. Money matters and asses in the seats matter. It doesn’t take the Rockstar or billionaires to realize that.
January 25th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
I fully expect the Bucs to wait until after the Super bowl now so they can interview Fewell and\or Gilbride. They made the right move. No other team had the patience and now those teams may miss out on the best head coaching candidate. Perry Fewell has worked wonders with that giants 4-3 defense at times and make no mistake he would know what to do with our young and talented d-line and that may be the most important quality in our next head coach as our most talented unit is not Josh Freeman at QB but the accumulated young talent we have at d-line(Clayborn,McCoy,Bowers,Bennett,Price how can you argue that?).
January 25th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Arent the bucs allowed to interview superbowl team’s coaches this week as it is their off week?
January 25th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Im starting to believe that Sherman and all these other guys were all just a smokescreen. I now believe that Kelly was choice #1 from an offensive mastermind perspective and Perry Fewell from the Giants is the Glazers #2 choice as defensive mastermind.
I firmly predict that Perry Fewell will be the Bucs next head coach.
January 25th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
cant remember when we were in better position than this.
pure genius.
January 25th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
I do the same thing after the holidays…See what is left on the shelf and pick it up at a bargain.
I’ve found that strategy usually works if you are willing to take a chance on not getting what you really want or seeing the best items sold before you get your shot.
The question is….are the good ones all gone and we are picking the holiday leftovers to get a bargain. Or is there a wild card out there that we haven’t heard about yet. Hopefully the later and not the former.
January 25th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
May have jumped the gun on that. IF the Bucs want to interview Gilbride(with good reason TONS of experience) then I would understand them wanting to hear his philosophy before deciding on him or Chudzisnski\Clements as an offensive minded head coach.
January 25th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Hey Eric- Sarcasm? Cant tell. Your a mastermind yourself at disguising whether or not thats your aim.
January 25th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Eric….pure genius or pure cheapness?
And if it is someone we could have picked up already, I would say it is cheapness. If it is someone that would be “hard to get” but would drive the cost up in a bidding war, you still have to wonder why the Glazers wouldn’t outbid another team. We will see who we sign…then we will know….genius or cheapness.
January 25th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Oh wait a minute. Your ALWAYS sarcastic. Shouldn’t be though. Unless you think the Giants suck. Seriously though- they might win there second super bowl in half a decade. Would there be another sports team that has over-achieved that much in history? They would by definition have to be well coached and by more than just Coughlin.
January 25th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
@BecklesHeartsRuud is Marty Schottenheimer’s record isn’t good enough, you have to high of standards. Who cares that he is old! He’s won 200 games in his career and turned every team he coached for around. As a franchise we’ve only won 222.
January 25th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
True, although the HC position in Tampa is the only one left, the staff positions are fading fast. At this point, great OC and DC and a good HC is fine with me. Unfortunately, not that many are around.
Bring Marty ball to Tampa!
GO BUCS!
January 25th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Good point, joe.
January 25th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Um…….the Bucs didn’t even hire Jon Gruden until FEBRUARY 18th!!!!! FEB. 18! That coaching search was a total embarrassment. We got lucky when we got Gruden, but we also had to give up our next two drafts….just showed you the Glazers were in desperation mode.
Hire a damn coach already! Fewell sucks, I’m not impressed with him at all. Wow…..now another 2 weeks? Pathetic.
January 25th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
i was thinking tbe genius part was not telling anyone they are eliminated so they are available for coordinator positions.
and continúe stealth operations.
sometimes its best to start over.
trestman is a damn good candidates imo.
January 25th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
@beckles. If the Bucs want Fewell they will interview this week. I hope they’re interviewing somebody besides Sherman and they said Chuz at end of week. Why so much down time. I’m not in a hurry but I hope they have interviews set up we don’t know about..I’d look at Vic from 49’s over Fewell and he can bring Leavitt as D coordinator.
January 25th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
Joe,
That is like saying that it is an advantage having the last pick in the draft bc the last player drafted has no bargaining power.
Every other team has hired the person they deemed the best candidate, meaning they have NO interest in the candidate the Bucs hire.
The Bucs wanted a 2nd interview with Philbin, he cancelled it per reports, we know Kelly backed out. So, our third choice at best puts us in the best position – I guess that is true if all you are looking to do is save glazer money.
January 25th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
yeah, lets keep waiting to hire a coach then the only cordinators availible will be bate , jags and jery glanville
January 25th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
I just don’t get the position and value of us actually hiring Sherman. I mean he was the first unimpressive candidate that we called. So why wait this long to hire him if thats who we wanted if we didn’t get kelly. I just don’t think we will end up hiring him and believe this is another smoke screen. Of course there’s no more smoke screen because every other team in the league has their hc now.
January 25th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
The Glazers and Dom are smoke screens. And btw fewell sucks. Id rather have an offensive minded coach. Ala sean payton/ Mcarthy
January 25th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
We need an offense minded coach and hire a good dc.
Billick
January 25th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Thomas- Or maybe the Glazers get a shot at Fewell after he potentially wrecks a brady\belijerk super bowl party for the second time in five years. You going to argue with that?
January 25th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
@beckles Steve Spagnulo was the d-coordinator for the Giants in the first superbowl. Fewell was with the Bills. Please no Fewell, id rather have sherman!
January 25th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
Marty won’t come here because of Dominick. Dom has too much power and he will f’k this up. I actually was slightly in favor of keeping him weeks ago, but I almost wish we had fired him now.
January 25th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
+1
January 25th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
It’s not going to be Marty Schottenheimer. He’s a good coach with a good track record and he’d be decent but he’s too old. We don’t want someone that’s going to be good for two years and then we need to replace him again. We want someone with the upside possibility of being good and good for a long time.
I was excited about Kelly but I’ll be excited with whatever non-Childreshermanheimer HC we select, too. 😉
January 25th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
Kelly was way to risky. He may be exciting but I’m glad it didn’t go through. Marty is a safe bet and you know what you’re getting with him.
If were considering Marty, why not consider Jimmy Johnson as well? He built a dynasty in Dallas, won two SB’s and is the same age as Marty.
I’ve been one of the few supporters of Mike Sherman on here, but I’m very unsure about him as well.
I would feel pretty good about a Zimmer hire.
January 25th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
Here’s a supposed reason why Chip Kelly stayed in Oregon.
http://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2012rumors3.php
January 26th, 2012 at 12:07 am
I want Herm
January 26th, 2012 at 12:11 am
Peterson, Boise State.
January 26th, 2012 at 12:13 am
It won’t matter who we get as HC of the Bucs if the Cheapsters don’t spend lots of their precious dollars on not just the head coach but…quality offensive and defensive coordinators, good position coaches, high priced free agents at linebacker/wide receiver/cornerback/safety. If, and that is a big if, the Cheapsters suddenly decide to spend tens of millions more on salaries than they HAVE to (we all know next year the mandate salary minimum kicks in, not this year)I will stop calling them what they have become…the Cheapsters. Anyone who defends these owners and tries to imply they are not cheap and that they have always gone after the valuable players when appropriate is sadly mistaken. As long as they are profitable, they don’t care about us, the Buc fans. When you have devalued your franchise as far as respectability so much that a college coach at Oregon turns down a guarantee of 6 million per year at a job that only 32 coaches can occupy, you see how the Cheapsters have done possible irreperable damage to our beloved Bucs. Prove me wrong Cheapsters. Go Bucs!
January 26th, 2012 at 12:19 am
Spend money to make money.
January 26th, 2012 at 12:31 am
Zimmer as HC and Schottenheimer as OC. Pay them and make it happen already.
January 26th, 2012 at 1:22 am
@Beckles
I’ve been saying things along the same lines.
@Patrick
1) If Marty won’t come because of Dominic, why even interview? And why no withdraw?
2) I may be wrong, but didn’t Jimmy Johnson fail at a comeback with the dolphins?
I don’t think it matters if the HC is offense, defense or special teams at this point it’s the coordinators who will matter most. The HC is a rallying, point, goal setter & disciplinarian.
The 3 coordinators will be the ones who bring success.
Marty, if he returns to football will do so as a coordinator. NO ONE ELSE IS OFFERING HIM AN HC POSITION.
JOE, the advantage you hint toward is not saving money. It’s that the Bucs can get certain guys to accept lesser roles by string them along.
January 26th, 2012 at 1:37 am
@Sam
I was called an idiot for suggesting Marty as OC instead of HC 2 weeks ago.
I prefer:
Clements HC
Marty OC (this would be perfect; Clements would have Marty as an advisor for a few years)
Edwards or such as DC
January 26th, 2012 at 2:50 am
That why you pay him well. Zimmer won’t be going anywhere for anything less than the HC job. Give it to him. Marty probably just wants back into the NFL. Make it happen and make sure everybody is happy by spreading that 6 mil around a bit.
January 26th, 2012 at 4:50 am
I dont mind if they take their time. That tells me that they’re looking for the right guy. I just wish they would keep the fans a little more informed
January 26th, 2012 at 5:31 am
Might have opened Cowher’s eyes a bit with the 6 million-dollar offer to Chip Kelly.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:22 am
BecklesHeartsRuud Says:
January 25th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Im starting to believe that Sherman and all these other guys were all just a smokescreen. I now believe that Kelly was choice #1 from an offensive mastermind perspective and Perry Fewell from the Giants is the Glazers #2 choice as defensive mastermind.
I firmly predict that Perry Fewell will be the Bucs next head coach.
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Boy, I sure hope you’re right. For them to wait that long only to hire Kevin Gilbride would really be a downer! The guy comes across as the biggest pansy in the league! If this crew wouldn’t put out for Rah, they sure as hell aren’t going to put out for Gilbride! I like Fewell but, my only concern is he may be Raheem 2.0. My real concern with him are the game-long mental lapses the Giants defense had this season. Granted they stepped up when need be, but with that defensive front 7 they should be dominating most games.
January 26th, 2012 at 7:56 am
There are more and more rumors floating around about ANOTHER mystery candidate.
I will throw a name out there…MOOCH!! He also has the same agent as our rockstar GM. They could be working a deal with him behind the scenes…nobody would have to know until they reach an agreement
January 26th, 2012 at 8:05 am
Please anyone but Sherman.
January 26th, 2012 at 8:22 am
parcells/3rd times a charm.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:21 am
Well, this coaching search has been great for JBF traffic, and I am glad. Joe deserves it!
January 26th, 2012 at 9:26 am
A couple days ago, I realized no one was considering him…including myself. I spent a little time thinking about it.
The theory I came up with is this: Mooch would more than likely accept a coordinator role if he wants back into the NFL. Most fired HCs will. Some even settle for lesser roles.
So my thinking was that if we go with a first time HC, Mooch would be a good veteran coordinator. The one flaw in that is if there is success, Mooch would jump at an offer of HC from another team in a year or two…which is why I think going with an offensive HC is best.
However…I think defense, offense or ST (Rich) would work out fine if a good supporting staff is hired.
On Cowher…
I think it’s possible that the Bucs are at least approaching him at this point, probably in secret. First, they’ve shown a willingness to spend…although Cowher would want even more. Second, Arian is free to work with him now…which means Cowher would have someone he wants in his staff available.
Dominick would have to be willing to lose some power…maybe focus mostly on contract negotiations.
The question is….is Cowher worth 7-8 million per year?
That’s a tough one. On the surface…I say yes. He would instantly have games sold out, the players would respect his past, and he’s a tough disciplinarian.
Also, Freeman has been compared to Big Ben…Cowher might like that.
I remember that the Gruden deal had seemingly fallen through…and then the Bucs offered all out compensation to change the mind of Davis. With Cowher, we would not have to lose draft picks…the Glazers would just need to be willing to throw a LOT of money and power his way.
I could see a longer contract as well.
This is all wishful thinking, but it would be sweet. Imagine if we somehow landed Cowher as HC, Marty or Mooch as OC.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:37 am
@Pete. I heard the first mention of Mooch from Green Bay Bob on the radio a couple days ago. He would not leave his cushy job to be an OC. Money talks and if his hearts in it might not be a bad choice.
January 26th, 2012 at 9:53 am
Mooch is another :nice guy:, just like Raheem.
Sure, I like him, and I like Raheem too, how can you help but like them.
But not as head coaches, especially here in Tampa now.
I think we need a hard ass old school disciplinarian that will take no chit from our players.