Raheem Talks Haynesworth Vs. McCoy
November 21st, 2011
As Joe has written, Albert Haynesworth has six more games to continue playing well and being an upstanding citizen in order to stick the Bucs in a pickle.
Haynesworth, per national reports, has a contract for 2012 for $7 million. Injured Gerald McCoy comes back next season and also is under a fat contract. The two play the same position.
Raheem Morris isn’t thinking about all the money potentially tied up in one D-line spot. The head coach wants both Haynesworth and McCoy on his roster, so he explained on The Raheem Morris Show on WDAE-AM 620 tonight.
“I can’t wait to see these guys [Haynesworth and McCoy] battle for spots, and battle for playing time and go out there and maybe play together a little bit,” Raheem said of competition next season. “Albert, what he’s been able to do for us has been really good in these first two weeks. … He’s been productive. He’s been disruptive. Some of the stuff that Gerald gives us is initial quickness. Albert gives us size and girth. … I don’t even know if he’s getting double teamed. He’s just so big. He just knocks people over and he gets in the way.
“And it seems like he causes so much disruption with his big body that he creates openings for other people. … Don’t take this the wrong way. He’s making some mistakes as well. But, you know, we all are. We’re learning on the run and we’re getting better. He’s doing a great job for us.”
Fans of drama and intrigue like Joe might actually shell out few Bucs just to see those two guys battle in training camp and fight for a starting job. Who knows what would/could happen in that scenario?
Joe can’t blame Raheem for wanting a roster full of talent, but what a challenge it would be to enter training camp with two of your highest played players fighting for the same job.
November 21st, 2011 at 11:50 pm
Nothing wrong with a healthy competition.
Can Dom sign Peyton Hillis to pair him with Blount?
November 22nd, 2011 at 12:58 am
My moneys on Haynesworth, McCoy just ain’t gettin it done.
November 22nd, 2011 at 1:00 am
McCoy sucks!!!! Haynesworth is far superior to the big softie. McCoy is a bust cut him tomorrow and trade everyone on the team for Suh, now that would be some competition!!
Bahhhhhh, Baaaahhhh…Sheep!
Ok all of Thomas’ arguments are here so now we can have a decent conversation. Have at it all.
November 22nd, 2011 at 1:19 am
@Stevek
Hillis+Blount? hahaha, no! We need a speedy 3rd down back, a speedy receiver, a big tall physical receiver, and right tackle for Freeman!
on defense we need a new pair of OLBs, 1CB, and safeties
btw, we also need a new Offensive Coordinator and a real Defensive Coordinator 🙂
November 22nd, 2011 at 4:01 am
I would have bet my house that Thomas would be one of the first to post on this topic. I’m actually kind of worried that he didn’t. We might need to make a call to the missing persons line, because this post is SCREAMING for a Thomas hate-fest on GMC.
November 22nd, 2011 at 8:13 am
There is almost 0% chance McCoy doesn’t start next year, if healthy. The real question is if they will bump Price from the starting lineup and try to force Haynesworth into the NT position (which I think is a bad idea).
But I highly doubt Haynesworth comes back at 7M to be a backup. Maybe they’ll re-sign him to a smaller deal or maybe he’ll show enough this year for another team to want him.
November 22nd, 2011 at 8:23 am
There’s no way they move Price out of the lineup.
November 22nd, 2011 at 8:36 am
McCoy is. Doubtful to be healthy at the start of the season, if he is I don’t expect many camp battles with him still rehabing the arm. Gotta keep AH so he can replace McCoy in week 7 when he gets injured.
November 22nd, 2011 at 8:37 am
Im okay hawaiian, thanks for the concern.
I think that they should renegotiate the contracts of both players bc Softy is grossly over paid and you may be able to get Albert to take less at this stage of his career.
If one or both wont renegotiate you threaten release – neither player may command 1/2 of what their contract provides on the open market.
Personally, I think mccoy is expendable but he is still young and you have a ton (way too much) invested him – so that is a consideration of course. I want softy to be a good player, like albert , sadly he isnt not even close – yet.
I think rah admitted as much in the Times today.
November 22nd, 2011 at 8:54 am
@Joe
Typo: “with two of your highest played players” should be “with two of your highest paid players” 😛
You just love causing disruption don’t you? I’m sure Albert would take such a suggestion well, huh? Before he’s even acclimated to the team?
November 22nd, 2011 at 8:58 am
1) We also need an amazing run blocking fullback…one like Lorenzo Neal was back in the day
2) I would say 2 CBs…Talib is good, but he’s also unpredictable. Bring in some real competition for him and we’ll actaully have to option of cutting him if he screws up again.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:03 am
@Stagger: “McCoy is. Doubtful to be healthy at the start of the season, if he is I don’t expect many camp battles with him still rehabing the arm.”
OMG. McCoy had the SAME INJURY LAST YEAR, LATER IN THE SEASON. And, without offseason workouts, was still healthy before the beginning of the year.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:07 am
Fat Albert has already shown more in 2 games than McCoy has all year. As for competing, McCoy would be injured before the competition and Morris would claim McCoy would have won had he been healthy and declared McCoy the winner of the competition, ala McCown/Leftwich competition. McCoy has been a bust, is a bust, and will always be a bust.
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:17 am
I say cut/release Roy miller now that guy has been worthless in our schemes. Very unproductive and a liability at depth…
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:31 am
@ Matt
“OMG. McCoy had the SAME INJURY LAST YEAR, LATER IN THE SEASON. And, without offseason workouts, was still healthy before the beginning of the year.”
That’s not what the Org thinks: https://www.joebucsfan.com/?p=57373
November 22nd, 2011 at 10:39 am
I’m so much happier Haynesworth is on this team right now instead of McCoy.
November 22nd, 2011 at 11:05 am
Anyone here, who Thinks that McCoy wasn’t an absolute monster this year, should have their right to post revoked. You are truly clueless about football, and an embarrassment to Buc fans.
The fact that you are agreeing with Thomas should have told you how lost you are.
The chance that Albert reworks his contract is slim, but I hope so. I would love to see him as part of our D-line rotation, assuming he keeps up the good work- which I think he will. Our defense is so dependent on Good D-Line play, that you need great depth. Hope Albert stays to Add depth to the line
November 22nd, 2011 at 11:07 am
Mccoy the monster? The guy who tackles like a Pop Warner player?
November 22nd, 2011 at 11:37 am
McCoy has gotten hurt twice, trying to do to much. On a team that has three players who do virtually nothing(Talib,Black,Hayes), it is an admired mistake. He has torn his bicep twice, lunging to grab RBs that were running thru another players Zone( Price, Miller). Same game Hayes tweaked a hamstring running from a RB turning the corner into his gap.
McCoy can’t get that overextended. But he is the best defensive player we have. He has been healthy his whole career. He has to play within himself. And not try to do to much.
One of the very intelligent posters here listed the difference in our defense both with, and without McCoy. I’m to lazy to do it. But with McCoy, our defense was ranked 8 spots higher, and we are 12 spots higher against the run.an unbelievable difference.
I realize that the poor play against The Texans sent a few of the more nervous posters scurrying into Thomas’s camp. He’s loved the attention and new found apostles. But time to return to reality people. The team is rebuilding, has great talent in many places, but still has gaping holes in others. While we never were realistically going to the playoffs, we have beaten some good teams. The future looks bright, but we remain a work in progress
November 22nd, 2011 at 11:50 am
@Matt, thank you for the follow up link.
@Pete, watch tape or check stats, Blount does not do well with a FB. He struggles to get moving, put a FB in front of him it just slows him down.
November 22nd, 2011 at 12:36 pm
“There is some concern within the organization”
I’ll believe that when the organization says it, not some reporter mentioning through some anonymous ‘inside source’.
November 22nd, 2011 at 12:38 pm
“One of the very intelligent posters here listed the difference in our defense both with, and without McCoy.”
Why thank you 😉
Anyone who doesn’t think McCoy was playing well either has a vendetta or is just completely clueless.
November 22nd, 2011 at 1:34 pm
Yup, thank you Matt. I wish I had write those numbers down. It was very impressive.
But really, if you have to explain it to someone, if they can’t tell by watching, then they won’t get it. To nit realize the impact McCoy makes, puts you at about a preschool level of football knowledge. You really don’t see or understand anything.
Like having a kindergardener in a college course. They don’t understand, and it’s so far beyond them, trying to explain it is pointless.
Thank god there’s only a few of those Zombies lurching around
November 22nd, 2011 at 2:07 pm
McCoy was doing good stuff indeed. It showed every single time he was not on the field.
November 22nd, 2011 at 2:42 pm
@Capt.Tim
McCoy is a 1st round pick being paid $35 million guarenteed and he’s ended up on IR for two straight seasons. What good is he if he can’t stay healthy? All does is run his mouth and get hurt.
Our rush defense is ranked 26th in the NFL and our whole defense is ranked 31st overall. McCoy has only been out for 2 games.
November 22nd, 2011 at 3:28 pm
Miller will never be better then he is now.. Haynesworth has come in and done something in only two games! cut miller and black pay haynesworth
November 22nd, 2011 at 3:41 pm
Matthew stafford ended up on I.R three seasons in a row- want to cut him too? It’s damn rare for a player NOT to end up on IR for at least a couple games. Blount got hurt , and sat out two games. If he gets hurt next year, we cut him??
Injuries happen. Especially with a great player trying to lift up a whole unit on his back
Let’s try not to be total idiots, shall we?
November 22nd, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Haynesworth> Miller. Haynesworth has the ProBowl votes to prove it.
November 22nd, 2011 at 3:48 pm
Yeah I wish they would’ve released Miller instead of cutting Frank Okam
November 22nd, 2011 at 6:46 pm
Price, McCoy, Haynesworth and Okam would have been a nice DT rotation to open up with next year. Too bad Okam did something to upset the front office. Miller has long since maxed out his potential and I think we all cringe when he goes in there.