Anti-Albert Haynesworth
November 10th, 2011
Joe has to admit it: He was shocked when he learned rock star GM Mark Dominik claimed defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth off of waivers yesterday.
The Bucs were the lone team to put in a claim for the former Patriots (and Redskins and Titans) defender.
Count one former Bucs defensive lineman out of lockstep with Dominik’s latest move. That would be Steve White. Just on Tuesday, White was on “Primetime,” heard on WHBO-AM 1040, all but pleading with Dominik not to make the move.
After the deed was done, White took to Twitter and passionately blasted the move.
@sgw94: Got a talented team that’s underperforming and totally undisciplined? I have perfect answer for you. ALBERT HAYNESWORTH LADIES AND GENTS!!! … Another fair warning to any Bucs fans about to click send: I know football. You can like this move all u want but I wont. Dont try me tho … I’m actually going to sit back and laugh and SOME of you dumbasses when this blow up tho
White was not the only person who did a double-take at the Haynesworth acquisition. So too did Albert Breer of the NFL Network.
@AlbertBreer: Even with Gerald McCoy’s injury creating a need, Haynesworth move is easy to question for a Bucs team that values its locker room culture.
That’s the reason why Joe was shocked at the news. Dominik is careful about perceived bad influences on his young roster. That’s part of the reason why Derrick Ward was jettisoned last year. That’s also an element in why Stylez White was let go.
This just reinforces Joe’s belief that signing Haynesworth is a move of desperation.
November 10th, 2011 at 9:24 am
I don’t believe the Bucs have anything to lose. The D-line already sucks. If Al can’t resurrect his career, then just simply let him go.
November 10th, 2011 at 9:28 am
Give me a break with all this bad influence nonsense. Ward would not have been jettisoned if he was playing well. They rolled the dice on alleged character issue guys like Blount, Williams, K-2, kept Talib, welcomed back TJ with open arms……………..now Fat Albert.
Why? Cause Dom knows the ultimate measurement is what happens on Sundays, not some feel good locker room folly.
Just like every other GM. Got himself a big ole wheel barrel full of fools gold cause he thinks he needs it.
Enough of the BS character crap already.
November 10th, 2011 at 9:31 am
Steve – I respect your opinion, but can you explain how AH can make our 29th ranked defense, 31st in sacks worse?
Further, please explain what the risk is when there is only a week to week financial commitment so they can cut him at any point with very little lost.
Dom thinks that if you put AH in his natural defense, a 4-3 1 gap D that his interest level may increase. Isnt that potential worth the very low risk?
November 10th, 2011 at 9:33 am
Joe what happened with Al Woods and the others from last year rotation?
November 10th, 2011 at 9:35 am
It is a panic move. Pathetic. He does not deserve to be in the NFL, and I am completely disgusted he is a Buc.
November 10th, 2011 at 9:36 am
Al Woods ended up in seattle and was just released. He was picked up by I think the Steelers? I might be remembering that wrong.
November 10th, 2011 at 9:41 am
Dominik even said this move was made due to the injury and is week to week. The move is low risk. Cut him if he acts up but for now it is a desperate need unless we want Mike Bennett playing DT to contain the leagues best run game.
Let’s not joke ourselves we go 4-5 into Green Bay its a rap. I would hope these players aren’t dumb enough to just turn into a**holes because they worked with a guy for half a season
November 10th, 2011 at 9:50 am
We all respect Steve White’s knowledge of football and of the Bucs situation. Again though; everyone criticizing the move isn’t giving other alternatives either. The team is down to like one healthy Defensive Tackle and they’ve got the Texans coming to town Sunday. Someone needs to be able to step right in and plug the hole.
November 10th, 2011 at 9:53 am
Next myth to be debunked………..we have a “talented team”.
On defense? Sure have done a good job hiding it.
November 10th, 2011 at 9:55 am
“Dont try me tho … I’m actually going to sit back and laugh and SOME of you dumbasses when this blow up tho…”
Just like when Steve told some fans they were being unrealistic to think that Tanard Jackson would start his first game back? Great call, Steve! LOL. Only a former NFL player like yourself understands what it takes to get ready to play.
Love SW’s analysis and breakdowns of Bucs games but he’s really become a clown on Twitter and Facebook. His immaturity and ego won’t allow anybody to disagree with him. If you do, you’re a “dumbass.” And if you keep disagreeing with him and call him out on something, you will get banned. It’s pretty funny to watch him try to interact with people on Twitter. If you’re not a former NFL player, he has no interest in what you have to say. The guy has no social skills. Time to grow the hell up, Steve. Or, better yet, take a class on how to control your ego and interact with people. LMAO!
Glad we’re trying everything we can to get the D Line humming again. Is AH the answer? Probably not. But worth the shot with McCoy down and Okam very iffy for Sunday’s game. No risk. If the Bucs locker room is ruined by a few week of AH then that locker room was pretty bad in the first place. And that falls on Morris.
November 10th, 2011 at 10:17 am
I with Steve, I HATE this move.
November 10th, 2011 at 10:18 am
Joe, EVERYONE knows this is an act of desperation. MD’s said this much having said this wouldn’t have happened if McCoy wouldn’t have gone down. It is what it is now. He’s a solid run-stuffer and a good fit given our 4-3. Worst case scenario we cut him at any time and never look back. I’m actually excited to see teams attempt to run up the gut against Price/Haynesworth.
November 10th, 2011 at 10:21 am
There is no downside to this move. We take a guy who has shown he can be dominant in the one gap and give him a shot. If he doesn’t pan out….oh well. Anyone see a better option?? He is on a very short leash and if he still loves football he will take advantage of the opportunity and work hard to stay in the organization. We’ll see….. I’ve been very critical of Haynesworth but he is the best talent available for this position. Hopefully he’ll get his passion back and prove the naysayers, including myself, wrong.
November 10th, 2011 at 10:29 am
“Bucs team that values its locker room culture”
They do? A team that enables Aqib Talib doesn’t value anything.
I’d rather have AH on this team than Talib. No question. At least AH has played at a high level before.
November 10th, 2011 at 10:32 am
The same people complaining about this signing would be the same ones complaining if the Bucs didn’t pick him up.
He’s the best option out there. We only have 1 healthy DT right now. And that’s Brian Price who isn’t even 100%. I don’t count Roy Miller because he flat out sucks. I’d rather have Chris Hovan back.
November 10th, 2011 at 10:32 am
Was the Albert Haynesworth move a good one?
Magic eight ball says……….ask again later!
November 10th, 2011 at 10:32 am
everyone and his mother said T jack wouldn’t produce on the field I’m under the impression that if you want something you take it not talk about it. I wouldn’t advise that chemically enhanced linebacker Brian Cushing to pull his helmet off this sunday and headbut anyone. we got a facestomper and a knockout king in our lineup now
November 10th, 2011 at 10:34 am
I don’t get it.
Steve White is freaking out.
Some fans are going crazy saying it is great.
Some fans are going crazy saying it is horrible.
JOE is wondering if the “plan changed”
RELAX EVERYONE and stop reading into things so much. It is pretty simple to me:
The Bucs had a major need at DT. Haynesworth fits the need in a temporary stop-gap measure.
He is low- risk/ high reward.
If he comes to play, it could work.
If not, it will not cost them anything and they can release him.
If he is a cancer in the locker room, they release him.
They really have nothing to lose and alot to gain. This is a guy who will playing in the same defense that made him one of the most dominant DTs in the league for a few years ( a defense he has not played in since).
I am not worried about any negative locker room effects because it is half a season and they can release him at any time before any of the cooties rub off.
I think Steve White is absolutely wrong. What were they supposed to do? Stick with Roy Miller? He was doing nothing which was causing Clayborne and the entire run defense to suffer.
For those who were down on McCoy————- WOW do you NOT know football. It is completely obvious how important he was to that line.
November 10th, 2011 at 10:38 am
“everyone and his mother said T jack wouldn’t produce on the field”
EXACTLY. Great point. Where are his detractors now?
November 10th, 2011 at 10:38 am
I HATE signing big name free agents to alot of money…. especially those with questionable character.
BUT this, this is the perfect way to sign one of those guys. See what you get and if it does not work, release him.
This is a no brainer, especially given the DT situation.
Those saying it was “desperate” HOW? It is a smart move. They had a need and looked to fill it with the most upside they could possible find. That is not desperate, that’s smart football.
Also, do not see how this is “changing the plan”. The plan is still there: build a CORE throught he draft. Then add pieces along the way when needed and at good value.
I do not understand why so many have trouble grasping that concept.
November 10th, 2011 at 10:39 am
I bet Albert will love it in Tampa. No discipline from coaches. No accountability. All the things that Albert hates… What a dream. I expect him to play well.
November 10th, 2011 at 10:40 am
I don’t respect Steve Whites opinion…the guy helped raise rapist Kendrick Morris as a kid and he obviously did a great job. He should just go away and keep his yap shut
November 10th, 2011 at 10:41 am
Too funny! They were going to sign him two years ago for exuberant amounts of cash and now they get him for cheaper than season tickets!
Listen, Im not a fan of Alberts, but lets wait and see. I hope he works out, cause with Dom’s current track record of FA sigings this will certainly make him gun shy for any future FA’s signings. Something they need to do next year!
November 10th, 2011 at 10:48 am
I agree with Thomas 2.2 (for once!)…I fail to see the downside here. Bucs are 1-3 in their last four games and have the 29th ranked defense in the league. We have Aqib Talib in the locker room already so I dont buy the “no a-holes allowed rule”. Put the fatty in a 3-technique and let him stuff the A- gap…so what. If he sucks worse than the back up behind him, release him on waivers….whats the big deal?
November 10th, 2011 at 11:00 am
steve is clearly out of control this year. most of us KNOW and PLAYED football too, steve (obviously not to the degree that you have, but still). even the people that have NOT PLAYED can still clearly see why we’re in the bottom tier of all things defensive. get real steve we’re dead last in sacks and absolutely suck wind when it comes to the run game. any live body will help.
this guys either puts up numbers and changes his attitude, or he doesn’t and walks. i don’t see the huge risk here but i do see a big reward if it pans out.
we’re 4-4 and can’t stop the run (play-off teams do that ya know.) i like the pick-up.
November 10th, 2011 at 11:03 am
BUCSWIN : hands down the most quality post here.
“Just like when Steve told some fans they were being unrealistic to think that Tanard Jackson would start his first game back? Great call, Steve! LOL. Only a former NFL player like yourself understands what it takes to get ready to play.
Love SW’s analysis and breakdowns of Bucs games but he’s really become a clown on Twitter and Facebook. His immaturity and ego won’t allow anybody to disagree with him. If you do, you’re a “dumbass.” And if you keep disagreeing with him and call him out on something, you will get banned. It’s pretty funny to watch him try to interact with people on Twitter. If you’re not a former NFL player, he has no interest in what you have to say. The guy has no social skills. Time to grow the hell up, Steve. Or, better yet, take a class on how to control your ego and interact with people. LMAO!”
November 10th, 2011 at 11:04 am
It’s called a “hail mary”. Sometimes…just sometimes they work. Ask Doug Flutie!!
November 10th, 2011 at 11:17 am
You guys/girls realise he hasnt done anything in like 4 yrs right?
It doenst matter to me. We need help so thats that.
November 10th, 2011 at 11:23 am
loweredexpectations
I agree. Steve White’s breakdowns and opinions are great but he is very immature when someone disagrees with him.
November 10th, 2011 at 11:28 am
Bucswin:
Shaun King and Derrick Brooks also said the same thing about T-Jax. I guess Brooks is a dope too?
November 10th, 2011 at 11:29 am
Stimpy…
Geno Hayes and Quincy Black havent done sh&t since they have been here either yet they are on the roster…dont let that stop ya
November 10th, 2011 at 11:35 am
Joe
Nothing like a good ole questionable FA signing to get the posts rolling, huh?
November 10th, 2011 at 11:44 am
Joe can you introduce a system within the website that allows readers to like comments?? That would make these posts all the more interesting…just a thought
November 10th, 2011 at 11:59 am
I agree with Thomas too. OMG the freakin sky is falling.
Sorry Steve but risk vs reward is too great to pass up this time. However, Steve is usually right, just hope not this time because I want to win and win now.
C’mon Albert, prove the doubters wrong. This is obviously your last chance.
November 10th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
I think some fans need to calm down about this move. It’s a low risk move.
Just think a few yrs ago the Bucs were prepared to give him 100+million &
now they’re getting him for just $750k. This is his last chance,& who knows
maybe playing in the 4-3 will help him play better.
November 10th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
Wow – Its kind of nice having having so much support on JBF. Can anyone really say that they aren’t more excited for Sunday now?
November 10th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
joe
i don’t recall brooks calling us fans “dumb ass'”
“steve white : Dont try me tho … I’m actually going to sit back and laugh and SOME of you dumbasses when this blow up tho.”
you really think brooks would even know how to put those immature words together? i don’t think he has the proper syntax, like mr. white, to do so.
i know you got a lot of man love for steve, joe. BUT YOU don’t even talk to us this way.
pack your sh*t steve. no one cares what you have to say anymore.
November 10th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
Thomas, my Son and I are soo excited, we plan to buy tickets and go to the game Sunday.
This was a great move by Tampa, and I bet Haynesworth will make some people eat their words.
Besides, he will look GOOD in a Bucs Jersey.
November 10th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
JOE:
Got to agree with loweredexpectations
Steve White’s opinons and analysis are great… but the issue is when people disagree with him or even simply say somehitn from a different perspective he is disrespectful and sometimes immmature about it.
I agrre with White and Brooks and EVERYONE about TJAX. No one thought TJax would show up and play well.
This is different. This is an opinon of value and risk.
November 10th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
Was it not Mr. “I know football” White the first one the first one that not only twitted but got into a radio show and open he’s mouth tho say the TJax will not start or that he could not play “because of been out of football too long”. I guess the fans were “crazy” then too, but who can argue with Mr. “I know football”…. lol
November 10th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
SGMORON:
Wouldn’t you say Derrick Brooks knows football? He too said the same thing about TJax, as did Shaun King.
Joe doesn’t think any Bucs fans is willing to call Brooks a dope
November 10th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
I like the move but my question is how can Steve White talk about something blowing up when the team has little confidence and they are down already. Dumb penalties and mistakes, veterans vs youngsters. They talk about Buc culture. What Bucs culture? That was over years ago and we have no identity thanks to the coaches and preparation. I think AH will be fine.
November 10th, 2011 at 10:37 pm
Joe said:
“Wouldn’t you say Derrick Brooks knows football? He too said the same thing about TJax, as did Shaun King.
Joe doesn’t think any Bucs fans is willing to call Brooks a dope”
The difference between the two has already been pointed out to you, Joe. But you refuse to address it. SW is a kid with a big ego and doesn’t know how to express himself like an adult when somebody disagrees with him.
If DB acted like SW, I would call him a dope, too. But Brooks = Class.
November 11th, 2011 at 3:10 am
Thomas is completely right on this one (oh my God, did I just say that?). Love the move or hate it, we are all more excited for Sunday than before the Fat Albert signing. A little bit of a buzz can be a good thing.
November 12th, 2011 at 1:56 am
Yes, nothing like a good buzz.