“No Question It Has An Impact”
October 18th, 2011
Joe’s really steamed by the steady flow of experts trying to sell that Saints head coach/offensive coordinator Sean Payton not calling plays in the second half somehow negatively impacted the Saints performance.
So Peyton going down explains why the Saints couldn’t run the ball all day? His absence made Drew Brees throw an interception? The Saints offensive coordinator that took over playcalling couldn’t pick one of their predetermined option for what to run on 2nd and 7?
Joe’s not buying that there was a negative effect on the Saints. They moved the ball up and down the field, plus they were losing big when Payton was there.
For those that want to hear a big name talk about how losing Payton for a half made a difference, here’s a link to former Redskins and Texans general manager turned CBS Sports analyst Charley Casserly telling WDAE-AM 620 host Dan Sileo all about it.
“No question it has an impact,” Casserly said. “Common sense says it does.”
October 18th, 2011 at 9:06 am
You mean the Charlie Casserly who sucked so bad as a GM that he is now a talking head even though the NFL is loaded with bad GMs? Who cares what he says, he’s wrong more often than not.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:15 am
Thats right Payton wasn’t on the field throwing that pass, and I seem to remember the last time Payton was on the field throwing passes he was a scab during the Players Strike in 86.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:18 am
Everyone picked the Saints in a blowout so they’re just trying to sugar coat the loss. It’s very sad though that these so called experts can’t even give credit to this scrappy young Bucs team.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:20 am
Wish there was an edit button. Anyway, I’m not buying into the Saints as the 2nd best team in the NFC anyway, their defense really leaves a lot to be desired, their front cannot stop the run and their DBs can’t cover, which leaves their LBs doing all the work, just like last season, by Dec. they are going to be a worn out bunch. Then there’s their offense which cannot run the ball, this is exactly what killed them last season. I really believe we win the South, NO comes in second and then Atl & Carolina.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:31 am
These “football experts” are really getting worse. Don’t even get me started on the Power Rankings (popularity rankings). Nobody takes into account that the only 2 losses on the season were from top 5 teams, according to the “experts”. One of those we had a good chance to win.
I have a feeling that Det and SF would put a physical beat down on a finesse team like the aints.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:44 am
I don’t see it being an issue for the Saints. Like JOE said, many of the plays are pre-selected for down and distance. The game plan was installed. Brees’ audibles were not affected. The pressure he felt all day and the lack of a running game would not have changed.
Bottom line is, even though the score showed it close, the Bucs kicked the Saints up and down the fieild in the trenches.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:53 am
Leave it to New Orleans: blaming their leader for lack of a plan during a crisis.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:09 am
Bucnjim said it best. Everyone of these guys picked the Saints to Monkey-stomp the bucs. They cant say “man, i was wrong, i guess I didn’t understand the matchup and game plans”, so they say “well, I would have been right if….”
October 18th, 2011 at 10:10 am
The offensive coordinator does not need to see the field. All he needs to know is down and distance. It is different for defense, because they need to know what player packages the offense is coming out with. But on offense, the only people that need to see the field are the 11 players on offense.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:30 am
Dave said: Bottom line is, even though the score showed it close, the Bucs kicked the Saints up and down the fieild in the trenches.
And anyone who saw the game would have to agree. Well except for Ragtop and Auger………
October 18th, 2011 at 10:32 am
I tend to agree with Charlie on this issue. It may not have been the difference in a win or a loss, but it had an impact on the Saints. I believe it was more of a mental thing on the team. Sean Payton is the tip of their spear, and even if he isn’t on the field, he is their best player, even more so than Brees. Anytime your leader goes down it will have some effect on your psyche, whether its your QB or your coach. Whatever the case, I hate that it happened to Sean like it did, and wish him a speedy recovery, so when the Bucs beat them again in NOLA, they won’t have any excuses at all.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:33 am
BTW, the refs crappy calls had a much bigger impact than losing Payton. The BS flags from the zebras are what actually made the score close and kepth the Saints in the game.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:45 am
That’s what is annoying me with this entire thing. EVERYONE is talking about the Saints losing he game. NO ONE is talking about the Bucs winning the a game and taking over first place. you know what we are getting a lot of (even on NFL Network – sorry Joe) Philly won a game. Mike Vick this, Dallas handcuffed that…blah blah blah. Disgusting. The Bucs get no love and it pisses me off. We just have to keep winning. Sooner or later that MUST talk about us. What the media should be saying is: “The Tampa Bay Buccaneers roughed up the New Orleans Saints so bad, even their had coach blew out a knee.” Now that’s news! GO BUCS!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:58 am
Sure, losing Payton might’ve affected the Saints a teeny bit. Any more than that and it sounds like they’re poorly prepared.
But however much it affected them, I’m pretty sure it it was a lot less than, say, the Bucs losing GMC or Blount before the game, or losing TJax to cramps for a series or two in the 4th quarter.
But in any case, Charlie Casserly is an idiot. He’s the guy who decided against building his expansion team around Julius Peppers (who could’ve made plays for that defense immediately), and instead tried to build around a QB despite the expansion O-line. David Carr was the Texans’s first ever pick (#1 overall in 2002), and got sacked 76 times (NFL record) in his rookie season and was basically ruined as a QB.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:59 am
It doesn’t matter.
What matters is 4-2 and 2-0 in the South. What matters is bouncing back from a tough road beating to beat one of the best teams in the NFL, certainly one of the top QB’s, at home in front of an enthusiastic supportive crowd of 57,000 fans.
I don’t care what the “experts” think, what BSPN “thinks” or what some message board blogger from Binghamton types.
ALL that matter is is getting the ONE thing this team lacks, experience. And we ARE getting valuable experience AND winning.
Who cares if some dullards don’t get that? You know perfectly well that when the Buccaneer buzz goes national they’ll ALL claim they always knew and were always on board. I enjoy that every time.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:09 am
@Paul, the Lions get their chance week 13 in NOLA. I think the 9ers are actually the more physical team, the Lions O-line is more a zone run scheme than a straight ahead blocking one, and we all know about their d-line which just runs straight up field ignoring the run it seems. I know what I witnessed from SF, road grating blocking on the offense and a very physical front 7 flying all over the field to the ball. I wasn’t shocked that they beat the Lions I was shocked that it was so close, I think the Lions are coming back to earth, they’ll be a playoff contender, but I do see them dropping maybe half of the next 10 games ending up 10-6, I say we have the better record come January.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:49 am
excuses excuses excuses
We beat them in the trenches and won the turnover battle. It’s a miracle that the game was even close.
We didn’t execute well on their side of the field resulting in 5 FG attempts. Are we gonna say that we only won by 6 because of miscommunication?
We were missing our stud RB. Are we gonna say that we only won by 6 because we didn’t have a back that could run out the clock in the 2nd half?
Make all the excuses that you want, but we outplayed them and we won. I guess we’re just “grossly overachieving” in back-to-back years.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:51 am
As usual we win and there is always the * it is because the other team took their starters out, because their coach was not on the sidelines, they didn’t have anything to play for, Blah blah blah..
When will we get some credit for being a tough team to beat? A team with good players who play 4 quartes to win. We are now 4-2 and tied for the lead of our division, but if you looked around and listened to the talking heads on the sports channels we keep barely winning, because the other team was off or w/e..
Sure we need to beat the snot out of a few teams instead of hanging around and coming from behind to win games. but for some strange reason even if we did Whoop their A$$ I think it would have the * from some people.
Beat the Bears in London and when we have them down, Stomp on their necks and end it.
Go Bucs!
October 18th, 2011 at 11:51 am
Win ugly or win pretty a win is a win is a win….
October 18th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
The media nonsense (Joe excluded, of course) makes me mad and then makes me want to laugh. Yeah, it sucks to not get the recognition we genuinely deserve year after year but I think it also shows who’s worth listening to in the media and who isn’t. I can’t wait for the last 4 games in the season. Garv’s right. We’ll be in contention for the playoffs and these same media clowns will be talking about how we’ve “come out of nowhere” and hoping no one will remember what they said two months prior. I’m going to enjoy watching them try to smile through their clenched teeth.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Anyone who took the time to watch the game saw that the Bucs were the better team in every aspect of the game. Casserly also hated the Clayborn pick and thought that Bower’s career was essentially over before it started. What an expert!
October 18th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
Charley Casserly says it’s “Common sense”, eh?
Simple fact…the Saints scored 10 points WITH Payton in 30 minutes and they scored 10 points in the 30 minutes WITHOUT Payton.
“Common sense” and simple math say it made NO difference good or bad.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
http://nfl.si.com/2011/10/17/break-it-down-josh-freeman-shreds-saints-d/?sct=nfl_wr_a3
This is why we won, not the lack of Sean Payton.
October 18th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
Bigmacattack is rigjt if it wasn’t for those bs pass interference calls in which one was tipped at the line of scrimmage we would have blown them out
October 18th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
It sure seemed like the refs were trying extremely hard to tip the scales in the Saints direction. If they planned to call it close on pass interference they turned a blind eye when the Bucs were on Offense. Of course they did give us the catch that pretty much sealed the game. If they called it the other way who knows what the outcome would have been.
October 18th, 2011 at 6:12 pm
Well……it DID have an impact on Payton’s knee. We CAN agree on that?