“On Our Butt Every Day”
May 18th, 2011
In one of the more bizarre and largely afterthought developments of the Bucs offseason, Raheem Morris fired his old pal offensive line coach Pete Mangurian and the Bucs hired Greg Olson pal Pat Morris to replace him.
Maybe it’s not that strange, except Mangurian obviously did a stout job developing and having ready to play Ted Larsen, Derek Hardman and James Lee, who all started a pile of games. Plus, Mangurian went way back with Raheem.
Office politics aside, when Joe chatted with Lee recently, Joe asked Lee about the difference between Mangurian and near legendary offensive line coach Bill Muir from the Chucky era. Lee played for both, but said there was little if any difference in what they taught, only a radical difference in their demeanor.
“With Bill, man, I think Bill was just a different type of coach, more laid back but very demanding at the same time. He made sure everything you did and everything you represent had to be the right way every time,” Lee said. ” Pete was a great overall coach but on our butt every day, from the smallest to the biggest. He didn’t care who you were or your time in the league, every time had to be right, and he’d get on you, all over you. Most of it was the same coaching techniques between the two.”
Lee went on to say he has had no contact with Pat Morris on any level, even when the lockout was briefly lifted.
It’ll be interesting to see how the offensive linemen respond to their new coach in an extraordinarily competitive environment. If the Bucs don’t re-sign Davin Joseph, every starting position but left tackle could be up for grabs.
May 18th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
Firing Mangurian was something given to Olson. He wanted his own guy in there since he did such a good job with the offense last year, it had to be done.
May 18th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
i wonder if we are going to hear any news of Aqib’s trial from today
May 18th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
Pete was more of a ” big stick ” guy. Pat is more of a teacher/ encourage kinda guy- more in line with Raheem’s policies!
May 18th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
the hearing was postponed I think till the 25
May 18th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
Joe here,
Yeah, it’s not a “trial.” Talib won’t even be there. Just the next step.
May 18th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
I look forward to seeing Brandon Carter getting some snaps… if there is a season.
May 18th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
true… wasnt sure the word to use for being heard before grand jury, and it was postponed i was hoping it would be dropped without him being indicted (last i heard he hadnt yet been indicted)
May 18th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
That is the job of the Grand Jury. They have to decide if there is enough evidence to indict Talib…of course Grand Juries are none to think there is enough info on most cases.
May 18th, 2011 at 10:45 pm
I hope Tampa did the right thing. Pete did a great job with a patchwork line.
May 19th, 2011 at 7:57 am
Pete was tough and a disciplinarian, as Capt Tim, the complete opposite of Rah’s ‘be-there-buddy” let them do what they want approach.
Pete was never going to allow goofing-off, joking etc during practice. Some of the players didnt like it and told on him to their buddy. As has been Rah’s m.o., fire the assistant. I think that it was a HORRIBLE decision after the year Mangurian and the O-line had. You really couldn’t have accomplished more out of a patchwork O-line.
I also believe that Biassacia (also associate head coach) leaving (and jabbing Rah on the way out by being appreciative of the great football minds that he got to work with like Gruden and now Norv) may have had a relationship to Mangurian’s firing. I have not been able to confirm this but I do know that they were close and Pete was fired about a week after Biasaccia left. I wouldn’t be surprised if Pete ends up out in San Diego and also jabs Rah on the way out.
May 19th, 2011 at 7:58 am
correction: “be-their-buddy” before someone criticizes my grammatical error.
May 19th, 2011 at 8:34 am
Let them go! Their methodology has become a thing of the past, like the dodo bird. Today’s successful coaches are much more about teaching and encouraging. Screaming doesn’t work.if the guy won’t do his job- cut him! Or better yet, don’t draft him to begin with!
The coaches who are sucessful now are the coaches who draft wisely, and instill teamwork and motivation. You see it in Greenbay, in Pittsburgh, in New Orleans. Even in today’s workplace, if I scream and holler at my emplpyres, I got human resources up my ass. And I work in a violent, dangerous, Man job
Career. I can’t imagine how bad it must be in an office environment- poor bastards!
Plus kids to day can’t handle being screamed at. A lot of my guys are ex military. And the young guys may be dangerous as heck, but they, um, kinda get their, um feelings hurt if I slip and holler at’em. I can only imagine how delicate today’s pampered college football Player’s feeling must be.
Raheem, Dominick, and the Glazers are all on the right track.
May 19th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
First: Tomlin is a disciplinarian ask Rashard Mendenhall who took time to get out of the Tomlin doghouse. Sure Wade Phillips was a great Head Coaching success with the buddy approach; and Bellichick has failed miserably with the “I am the boss approach.” You want this hands-off (I would have said laisse faire but I wasnt sure how to spell it) approach to be successful even though you know it won’t be.
If Rah was 10% of the Leader and Head Coach that Tomlin is I would be okay with it. Tomlin commands respect, Rah strives for respect by being “your buddy rah.”