Talib Won’t Affect Bucs’ Draft At All
April 3rd, 2011
The Commish points out the Bucs already had a scheduled visit with Texas cornerback Curtis Brown
NFL Draft guru Justin “The Commish” Pawlowski shares intriguing takes on the Bucs’ approach to addressing the cornerback position in light of the Aqib Talib criminal proceedings.
Not only does The Commish think the situation won’t cause a ripple on the Bucs’ draft board, he says the Bucs might make a decision on Talib only after assessing their roster following free agency, the draft and beyond.
Among other things, The Commish wags a finger of shame at the local columnists who already have run Talib out of town.
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April 3rd, 2011 at 11:18 am
The Commish is right on, plus until Aquib is found guilty, he is innocent and that is the basis of this country, he was not caught firing the gun so his story could be true. He still needs help to stay out of trouble and the Bucs should get it since it looks like his family can’t.
April 3rd, 2011 at 11:42 am
Lets not even talk about Aqib because Article Goodell of the NFL Constitution is going to suspend this dirtbag regardless 4-6 games. I dont mind not reaching for a cornerback as long as we are not reaching late. Im not crazy about Myron Lewis anyway…
April 3rd, 2011 at 11:59 am
I think he’ll probably get a longer suspension, Architek79…possibly 10 games or a year. Guns are something Goodell does not take lightly.
Unless, of course, he is cleared of all charges.
April 3rd, 2011 at 12:22 pm
This just in:
Ward is a retired cop…I would think his testimony would be pretty good.
The case states that Talib fired shots…yet there are no witnesses to this. Ward, a retired cop, claims to have witnessed the whole thing through his window.
April 3rd, 2011 at 12:49 pm
Aqib*** will be playing for the bucs next year!! and i cant wait for him to make the pro bowl and be the next D revis! keep hating he is top 3 player on the bucs. some could argue the best player on the bucs.
April 3rd, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Pete – u r incredible with how ur fandom interferes with your judgment!
Articles report that “neighborhood witnesses” plural confirm the billings story that talib fired the gun at him while he was fleeing. The reason police investigate is to build a case, take statements, collect evidence etc. Talibs body and clothing will confirm whether he fired a gun. The location of bullets and casings will tell who fired from what position by matching with statements. This is a cinch conviction. Talib probably also lied during the invest which can lead to additionsl charges if needed. Sometimes the lies, if admissible, kill his ability to testify for himself.
I bet dollars to donuts that he pleads guilty. He will try to drag a trial date out past this season if there is one but he will have no choice eventually. Take 5 years or roll the dice and risk 20. Most wont take that risk.
You better not think that either talib or t jax will play another down in this league.
April 3rd, 2011 at 2:10 pm
Love these pod-casts. Keep em comin.
April 3rd, 2011 at 2:16 pm
“Among other things, The Commish wags a finger of shame at the local columnists who already have run Talib out of town.”
Yep. And JBF belongs on that list.
Nobody knows what the witnesses are going to say and how credible they are. Have to let things play out.
April 3rd, 2011 at 3:10 pm
It all depends on how much Talib and his lawyers are gonna pay the witnesses to speak on his behalf. I’d be willing to wager that most are “sitting on the fence” about what they saw or if they’re willing to testify based on whether or not they get compensated for testimony. If none step forward, I’m guessing there will be a plea for a lesser charge and that is still “guilty” and due a major suspension from Goodell. If some do step forward, charges may be dropped, but it’s still likely there will be a smaller suspension just being involved in an incident where guns were fired. I don’t think PacMan Jones was ever actually convicted of anything, just around a LOT of situations involving guns and he was suspended by Goodell.
April 3rd, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Pay the witnesses? Don’t think they can do that unless it’s an expert’s testimony.
April 3rd, 2011 at 3:48 pm
It doesnt matter. I said this in an intial Talib post. He will do something stupid again. He was suspended again last year, and still had to be restrained from physically assaulting the referees. That’s who and what he is. No amount of Vanilla optimism, or journalistic naiveness, is gonna change that. You either learn from the past, or watch it repeat itself. He will fail his team and teammates again. I hope it isn’t in the playoffs, or SuperBowl week. But it could be. The team can continue to suffer loses because he’s suspended, or get CBs in here that wanna win. Maybe Biggers and Lewis can handle the job, and we just need another decent CB. Meybe we sign a FA, and give Biggeres and Lewis a year to make sure. Either way, Talib has proven he isnt committed to the team. Some of you want to waste more time/ loses on him. Fortunately Dominick is the only opinion that matters. So far, he has been smarter than any local media or posters. I think it will prove true again this time- meaning
Adios Talib! Take you ‘hood tude’ elsewhere!
April 3rd, 2011 at 4:15 pm
I think the Bucs were considering a 2nd or 3rd round pick on corner this year anyway. I don’t think they are convinced(im definitely not) that biggers or lewis will be a legitimate #2 corner and now they are looking at those guys possibly being #1 AND #2 corners in the near future. Ras-I-Dowling would be an awesome value pick if he lasted until the Bucs 3rd round pick but that is no sure thing so I am looking for the Bucs to take either one of the corners out of Texas in round 2 depending on who is still on the board and who they think fits their scheme more.
April 3rd, 2011 at 4:15 pm
I think the Bucs were considering a 2nd or 3rd round pick on corner this year anyway. I don’t think they are convinced(im definitely not) that biggers or lewis will be a legitimate #2 corner and now they are looking at those guys possibly being #1 AND #2 corners in the near future. Ras-I-Dowling would be an awesome value pick if he lasted until the Bucs 3rd round pick but that is no sure thing so I am looking for the Bucs to take either one of the corners out of Texas in round 2 depending on who is still on the board and who they think fits their scheme more.
April 3rd, 2011 at 4:57 pm
Still think we should draft LBs and DEs in the first 4 rounds. It truely is our biggest need.
If we just re-sign the o-linemen, and address CB in free agency, we will be ready to hit it big with the front 7 minus the DT position. That would also net some excellent special teams players as well.
Get a FB, a TE and a lineman later in this years draft.
April 3rd, 2011 at 5:04 pm
FYI, Jordan Todman is EXACTLY the PERFECT guy to compliment Blount.
http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile_display.cfm?prospect_id=2794
Great 40 too.
I would take him in round 4.
April 3rd, 2011 at 5:04 pm
@Capt Tim,
I agree with what you said, but I dont fault him for going after the ref because of what he said to Talib. He is a REF for crying out loud and should know better than to do that.
April 3rd, 2011 at 5:35 pm
If Talib was crying for 3 quarters straight, he deserved to be called biotch by the ref.
Thats like a baseball player crying about a bad call from the 3rd inning all the way to the tunnel chasing the umpire around the facility threatening to beat him like his momma used to beat him. In baseball, the guy would have been tossed after 5 mins of crying.
Talib and Raheem together imploded during that Atlanta game in an embarrassing turn of events that has stained the image of the franchise in the eyes of the officials. From that day forward, Rah lost all calls from the refs and rightly so. Once a biotch always a biotch. Right peter doucher?
April 3rd, 2011 at 5:47 pm
Although i would have expressed it a little differently – right on weneed.
I almost always disagree with capt tim but he is right on talib. Why would u want this punk back? He will reoffend. They are WAY to tolerant on tjax so he keeps smoking away his career. The inmates are starting to literally run the asylum.
Gitarlvr: you are correct, draft a corner, biggers can play nickel, lewis can start for vandy, barber is done next year, talib is a non-factor.
April 3rd, 2011 at 6:48 pm
throw him in the fire, modern day witch hunt,lets all believe the guy caught with the gun that can run and look back at everything going on.What a cool guy ,I know if someone was shooting at me I wouldnt think to look back id be getting away,unless id just got my as beat and pulled it out and looked back and saw someone shooting,is there a picture of Billings,,is there a statement from Talib?
April 3rd, 2011 at 7:13 pm
That lieng 72 year old cop lets just keep believing the sex ofender wife beater because of Talibs temper
April 3rd, 2011 at 7:17 pm
Wesley…Talib says he did not fire the gun, he states that his mother fired the gun. The powder on the hands and cloths Thomas speaks of would be true, if they would have arrested him within 24 hours and he did not wash his cloths or scrub his hands. The authorities say they have a tight case, but the defense say otherwise…which is to be expected. In Joe’s article the other day, they talked about how hard it is to get the domestic crimes victims to work with the police and prosecution…Thomas and Weneedd will always crack on Bucs players and coaches…no matter what, so we will all just have to sit back and see what happens.
April 3rd, 2011 at 8:10 pm
Guys, guys… jail time ain’t the end of the world. Look at Vick, he went to prision and now is back playing the NFL. Look at Plaxico, I’m sure he’ll be back too.
So after Talib serves his sentence for being Aqib Talib, he will get his chance again so long as another team takes a chance on him. I’m sure prision will reform him enough to at least appreciate the NFL like 99% of the players in the league.
April 3rd, 2011 at 8:12 pm
What on Earth are you talking about WeNeedDefense? He was complaining about the terrible PI call against Lewis right before halftime that gave the Ravens the ball in the Bucs red zone (which they scored a TD). Bitching or not Talib was right. And what embaressing moment in Atlanta are you talking about?
April 3rd, 2011 at 8:21 pm
The head coach leading by a poor example which essentially allowed Talib to cry much the same.
It was sickening to watch them both tear up (eyes watering) like they did.
That was an opportunity for Raheem to lead and he failed. See Aqib throwing a tantrum all second half.
If the Bucs continue to act like they did during that Atlanta loss, then I can’t see many people wanting to be seriously interested in them.
So don’t go apologizing for Talib losing his mind for an entire half. That’s not the kind of player you want on your team.
April 3rd, 2011 at 8:41 pm
NBN
April 4th, 2011 at 2:04 am
Joe, I think the nuts are finally taking over the nut house here on your website. It’s getting pretty sad that I don’t really get excited to come here anymore. There used to be some good discusions here on the comments sections but that’s basically impossible now.
April 4th, 2011 at 9:18 am
My quote WAS from one of those articles. All of the witnesses were interviewed and none actually saw Talib shooting, not even the former police officer that witnessed the entire thing.
I said all along that we should wait until all the facts are known. Now there is a fact that you choose to ignore.
Billings made an accusation. Because of that accusation, the police were forced to file charges or they would look biased. By arresting him, they can investigate and eventually drop the charges without themselves being accused of favoratism.
And Ward, the former officer? He was a friend and neighbor to Billings, so even if he were to lie, I would think he’s do it to Billings advantage, not Talibs.
Oh, now that’s original. You begin name calling because you cannot do anything but express your opinion, and because I disagree with it, you lower yourself to child-like standards in an effort to prove your superiority.
Very mature. A piece of advice…it’s better to keep your mouth shut and let people think your are a fool then to open your mouth to prove it. But I guess that advice may be a little too late for you, aye?
April 4th, 2011 at 9:19 am
That second quote and my comments were directed to WeNeedDefense
April 4th, 2011 at 9:23 am
Revisionist history at its finest.
April 4th, 2011 at 10:18 am
gotbbucs:
The lockout is doing that to people.
April 4th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
GotBucs- still waiting on you to contribute something other than Whinning! Lol
April 4th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
I am sure wennedd looked the other wey as gruden threw all sorts of fits.