Cadillac Williams: Saints “Outcoached Us”
October 18th, 2010
So there was Cadillac Williams, fresh off the brutal loss to the Saints, being asked on the Buccaneers Radio Network about the defeat Sunday.
And the first comment about the Saints performance that moved from his mind to his lips was that New Orleans “outcoached us.”
Joe transcribed Caddy’s words verbatim:
“Oh, man, tough loss man. First of all, you have to tip your hat off to the New Orleans Saints, man. They came in here, you know, outcoached us, um, outplayed us with their players, outphysicaled us. They controlled the line of scrimmage. They just beat us in all three phases of the game,” Williams said on WDAE-AM 620.
Joe wonders why a running back who can’t run the ball (2.5 yards per carry) is referencing coaching off the top of his head immediately following a humiliating loss.
From experience, Joe can say that Cadillac is not one to run his mouth, which makes this comment troubling.
Joe’s not going to say the locker room is falling apart and the Bucs have lost confidence in their coaches. But Cadillac pointing a finger at the coaching staff isn’t cool. At least Derrick Ward waited to point fingers until after he was gone.
Joe wonders whether Cadillac has now earned a place in Raheem Morris’ doghouse.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:21 am
Joe here you go making something out of nothing again.
He was obviously just making the point that they were beaten in every way. He wasn’t singling out the coaching.
He was just stating the obvious. That the Saints pretty much out everythinged them yesterday.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:23 am
1) Then why say it?
2) So you are suggesting Caddy is lying?
Call Joe naive, but Joe actually holds people accountable to what comes out of their mouths.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:24 am
Raheem Morris should earn a spot in any Tampa fans doghouse. Caddy said what needs to be said, it is time to END the Raheem Morris plague on our team.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:31 am
Raheem should be ashamed of the way he prepared his team, but I still think he is the guy to rebuild the franchise. So many things done right, so many risks successfully taken, such powerful motivation in the players.
Caddy hasn’t gotten it done at all this season.
Huggy went in and gashed the Aints for 8 yards on his first carry, when Caddy could get nothing going. It’s plain to me that we need fresh legs at tailback. That;s why Huggy’s injury was a deflating moment for me.
We have to get Pressley at FB and Blount at HB ready to go.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:33 am
I want Coach Morris to succeed, but I have to question the defensive philosophy. The defense can’t get pressure, so they keep running a three man rush with bringing Black some times. The run D looks like the guys are looking for the other guy to make the play. They are just not aggressive. I really can’t see how Todd Wash still has a job? The last two years the d-line hasn’t been even good getting pressure and has been one of the worst rushing defenses in the league. As a fan, I consider myself on the optimistic side, but Coach Morris has to change his sit back and wait approach, it just isn’t working. I certainly hope he does because I do think this team has some talent.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:34 am
“wonder if Williams will no end up in the coaches dog house”
One can only hope!!!
October 18th, 2010 at 10:39 am
@Safety
“Huggy” isn’t playing preseason any more. And the Saints damn near broke his leg for him. He has heart, for sure. But he would not be on the roster if he wasn’t one of Raheem’s pals.
It takes more than chest-bumps & haigh-fives to be a head coach, or a defensive coordinator. The bucs defense has given up an average of 367 yards per game. Not only does the DC need to be fired, the HC needs to go too! Until we get a real NFL head coach in here we will continue this defensive spiral. These talented you players deserve to have a real coach.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:41 am
I have to blame the ENTIRE team on this one. We were owned on all sides of the ball. I knew we were in for a long day when Aqib let Meechem(?) run pass him…FAIL…
For the first time since i cant even remeber i stopped watching the bucs game. I was so down and pissed, i could not watch any more.
This staff needs to right the ship fast cuz the Rams can run the ball too and im sure when they see the tape, they will be salivating.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:43 am
Heat of the moment frustration. Caddy is a warrior, so I give him a pass. He’s earned that much. Miracle he got this far.
But I still do not understand how the running game has managed to get even worse than last year.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:43 am
why should he be in the doghouse for telling the truth? The playcalling sucked on both sides of the ball.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:49 am
Joe, Williams is not a good speaker and you know that. You shouldn’t bust his balls on him misplacing words like a lot of people do when they are bad speakers and not used to public speaking.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:51 am
Joe here,
Paul – If you’re going to make such an absurd comment, please point out where Joe is “busting his balls.” And why are you saying Cadillac is “misplacing words?” You, sir, are the one busting his balls.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:51 am
I guarantee that he was not thinking, out-coached. He just said it, if you ever talked to him, you’d know he isn’t an eloquent speaker.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:53 am
In Caddy’s defense, Sean “Onside kick in the Super Bowl” Payton is regarded as one of, if not the best coach in the game right now. They out-coach you. That’s what they do. They did it to the mighty, unbeatable Colts in the Super Bowl. They did it to us on Sunday.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:53 am
I would bet that Caddy is comfortable saying that because Morris said the same thing to the team. If he was a real straight up coach as he seems to be, I dont think Caddy was saying anything he thought was controversial.
Welcome back Eric and Tampa2.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:54 am
Joe here,
Paul – Joe has talked to Cadillac multiple times. Joe is very confident Cadillac knows what the word outcoached means. Why must you bash the guy and assume he’s an idiot?
October 18th, 2010 at 10:54 am
Paul:
You don’t have to be an eloquent speaker to speak from the heart.
While you are at it, why not inform the rest of Joe’s readers all the other doublespeak the players really meant to say, despite what came out of their mouths?
So when Josh Freeman says he doesn’t call the plays, did he really mean he calls the plays?
If Cadillac didn’t mean to say the team was outcoached, then you are implying he’s either ignorant or a liar, which is is?
October 18th, 2010 at 10:56 am
I know tons of people that can’t put together the correct words when speaking in public. If you don’t think Caddy is one of them, then you don’t pay attention when talking to him.
October 18th, 2010 at 10:57 am
Paul:
If Cadillac is as ill-prepared to speak as you claim, the Bucs media relations people wouldn’t allow anyone to talk to him.
Got any other excuses you want to try out?
October 18th, 2010 at 10:58 am
He said out-coached, then changed it. He didn’t mean to say it. Then you write a headline basically saying that Caddy hates Raheem. That is not how he feels I guarantee and that is what makes me sick about journalism.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:00 am
Paul:
You have a very vivid imagination. Please point out where Raheem’s name is in the headline.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:01 am
I said basically, I meant it boils down to.
Hell, thats what you just did to caddy and now you are all in an uproar.
Now you know how caddy feels.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:04 am
Paul – I like Caddy and Raheem, and you’re here telling me Cadillac is so stupid that this ins’t what he meant to say and Joe should have known.
If Joe didn’t publish this, it would be exactly what IS wrong with journalism. WRiters who don’t publish stuff because they’re using way too much of their personal bias and opinion to make judgments. You can’t have it both ways.
Caddy had plenty of opportunity there to correct himself. your argument might hold water if the Bucs were NOT outcoached, but they were, and badly at that.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:04 am
Paul:
You seem to take great pride in telling people that words don’t mean what they are, they mean something else.
* Caddy didn’t mean to say outcoached, though he said it.
* Joe wrote Raheem is a terrible coach in a headline despite the fact Raheem’s name isn’t even in the headline.
Can you teach Joe to think that some nasty-looking skank is, in fact, Rachel Watson?
October 18th, 2010 at 11:07 am
Those are interesting words by Caddie….in my opinion I think he was praising Sean Payton, he just did it the wrong way by using the words “outcoached”. Some players are really good at expressing themselves, I don’t see Caddie as one of those players.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:08 am
What ever, dude. You’ve had some type of personal vendetta against caddy the last few weeks, and now you are resorting to cheap shots.
If someone say’s something, then corrects themselves right after, in the same sentence mind you, then you go with the second thing they said.
It’s ok, once TBBBS opens back up, your site will be back in the doldrums.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:08 am
Everything starts up front on the defense. Coach Morris is attempting to compensate for the under performing front 7 with a very, very conservative play calling game. Doesn’t work against a guy like Brees, ever.
Defense played flat – they did not look like they ‘bought in’ to the game plan. That’s on coaching and preparation. They’ve all got to take a very hard look at themselves. Players and Coaches.
Caddy is being honest. Outplayed in all phases. I hope there’s a lesson to be learned here.
Today’s PC is going to be very, very telling.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:13 am
Again. This is a big deal?
It’s the same old cliche out-coached/out-played/out-“physicaled” line everyone uses. Doghouse? After that timid of a line? Not a shot.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:13 am
Did anyone hear Josh Freemans quotes after the game? They asked him what was going on with Cadillac and the running game and he muttered something to the effect that he does not call the plays or send in which running back will run the ball. I think Josh is tired of having to pull out each game with NO RUNNING GAME AT ALL. Josh Freeman and our receivers are our entire offense right now and we need a fresh face at tailback for sure!!! Yesterday looked like last year and pathetic at best.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:14 am
Paul, Cadillac didn’t correct himself. I heard that interview in the car. There was no correction.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:14 am
Actually Paul, the only person who has a personal vendetta against Caddy is you. You are the one writing that Cadillac not only cannot speak, he doesn’t know what “outcoaching” means.
That, my friend, is pretty damning.
Yeah, Joe’s pretty sure a bulletin board is going to wreck his business. Not like there’s no where else for Bucs fans to go.
Gee, Joe started out with zero traffic two years ago and now he’s pushing 10,000 visits a day. Joe’s really worried about a bulletin board, which is sssooo 1995.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:15 am
Ash,
He can publish it, but just don’t make the headline “Paul likes Grape Kool-Aid” when in my interview I said I like, Grape..um..Cherry Kool-Aid.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:15 am
Exactly how many lessons do we have to learn? How many more third and fourth stringers have to torch the defense?
October 18th, 2010 at 11:15 am
You, got all those extra hits when TBBBS went offline.
completely inaccurate claim about JoeBucsFan.com.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:16 am
PAUL’s translation:
Josh Freeman may have said those words but it’s not what he meant since he didn’t go to a high institute of learning like most smart people and had to settle for Kansas State.
So what Freeman really meant to say, you just don’t know any better, is that Freeman has a great deal of input into each and every play called.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:17 am
Right. And that’s why the Bucs got rid of it because they didn’t want such a high-traffic feature to pollute their site.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:19 am
Paul, what kind of bourbon are you drinking this morning? There is no where Raheem’s name is in the headline.
Or do you read the same way you imply Caddy speaks?
October 18th, 2010 at 11:20 am
“So you are suggesting Caddy is lying?”
No im saying he was being honest. He was saying the were beaten in every facet of the game. Coaches and players included. I don’t think he was singleing out Raheem he was just saying the whole team stunk it up from top to bottom.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:21 am
“hey asked him what was going on with Cadillac and the running game and he muttered something to the effect that he does not call the plays or send in which running back will run the ball.”
JOE’S headline:
Josh Freeman disgusted with the Bucs organization and doesn’t like how its run
October 18th, 2010 at 11:22 am
“Paul, what kind of bourbon are you drinking this morning? There is no where Raheem’s name is in the headline.
Or do you read the same way you imply Caddy speaks?”
I’m referencing to the headline that you wrote.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:25 am
Cadillac Williams: Saints “Outcoached Us”
Where is Raheem’s name in that headline Paul?
October 18th, 2010 at 11:27 am
Cadillac Williams: Saints “Outcoached Us”
Where is Raheem’s name in that headline Paul?
He didn’t mean to say Outcoached.
Quit trying to change the subject on you taking cheap shots.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:28 am
Pardon the interuption here, but what is TBBBS?
Don’t think it’s fair for Paul to call Caddy an idiot. Just my two cents.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:28 am
Goodbye Paul.
Go find a bulletin board to play on.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:30 am
We were out-coached. We were out-everything’ed. It happens. Move on.
Gone is the aggressive blitzing defense. Back is the conservative defensive mindset. I much preferred the aggressive play calling.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:31 am
“Today they exposed us running the football on us … That is one of those things you deal with and you get better and better as you go,” Bucs coach Raheem Morris said.
Gee that getting better and better thing is a great idea Rah, glad you thought of that……………
October 18th, 2010 at 11:32 am
Phil J>:
It was a bulletin board on the Bucs site that they got rid of a few months ago. Joe’s guessing that the traffic wasn’t enough to deal with the hassle so they got rid of it.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:36 am
Paul Caddy just stated the obvious. We got outcoached in addition to outplayed etc. etc. I have a hard time believing a Bill Cowher team would ever have played like we played yesterday. Raheem refuses to run blitz yet we cannot stop the run. Goes for field goals when we are 24 points down in the 4th quarter??? Raheem won’t replace our middle linebacker who could not stop Matt Hasselbeck going up the middle and has no clue as to what to do with the running back situation when he put Blount on the inactive to bring Preston Parker into the return game. Paul Caddy just stated the obvious if you can’t see it look again.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:41 am
Hey Joe isn’t the only one bringing up Caddy’s remark. It was all over 620 this morning.
It is noteworthy when an existing player criticizes “coaching”. Not usually done. Usually its something like “we had a great game plan but just couldn’t execute”. (AKA kissing the coaches ass).
Kinda refreshing to hear something different IMO.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:42 am
Cad did not try to start anything by saying they were out coached. The staff as a whole knows they were whipped from top to bottom. Yesterday was bad all the way around. They win as a team and lose as a team.!
We are still 3&2 wil some very winnable games ahead.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:44 am
Being out coached (which he was) is one thing. Not having a team physically or mentally prepaired is something that I can’t leave alone. X’s and O’s are only part of the coaches responsibility. So much of the game is based on mental preparation and physical training. The entire Defense had their hands on their hips sucking wind with that beaten dog attitude and the game had hardly even started. Even the Saints coach was caught mocking our players and their effort. This my friends is a serious problem!!!
October 18th, 2010 at 11:47 am
Willis Mcgahee anyone? All im saying is the bucs need to make a move to either improve this running game or the run d because both can not continue to be HUGE weaknesses
October 18th, 2010 at 11:47 am
They were just standing around with their hands on their hips waiting for the Saints to whip them some more, I’m glad I’m not the only one who saw this.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:50 am
“He was just stating the obvious. That the Saints pretty much out everythinged them yesterday.”
I agree with this. I don’t think his intentions were to call out Morris.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:54 am
The Bucs shut down the BB because they don’t want the negative backlash while losing.
Plain and simple. It was part of the plan too.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:56 am
It is not time to fire Raheem. He had a bad game too, but it is one game and not time to pull the plug on Rah.
What is funny to me is that Phili pretty much did the same thing to Atlanta yesterday. Everybody has bad games. How you bounce back and make adjustments tells the story. As for now the Bucs Fairy Godmother has left the building.
As they say “Man up”.
October 18th, 2010 at 11:57 am
When Caddy see’s Derrick Ward run wild with Houston, you damn right he is thinking about the coaching flaws. You got damn right he is.
and his comment can be considered a freaudian slip.
October 18th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
I chalked up the Steelers game as a bad game (which I believed it was). Two games in a row getting killed at home is a pattern. Both games lacked the same thing; intensity and urgency! Are we better than the Saints? No, but that doesn’t mean you pack it in before the game starts. Mentally & Physically the team was beat before the start of the game….
October 18th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
Joe, this is a funny response:
” Joe Says:
October 18th, 2010 at 10:23 am
He was obviously just making the point that they were beaten in every way. He wasn’t singling out the coaching.
1) Then why say it?
2) So you are suggesting Caddy is lying?
Call Joe naive, but Joe actually holds people accountable to what comes out of their mouths.”
“So are you suggesting Caddy is lying?” C’mon Joe. Weak. Joe, at the risk of stating the obvious, a football player that just got his ass handed to him in a humiliating loss hardly puts the thought into his words that you are. The Buc got beat in all phases including coaching. Many players said so. It is the truth, but how does that become “losing the locker room?” Yikes.
October 18th, 2010 at 12:07 pm
If the coaching staff are putting their players in a position to fail through bad play calling, then yes, the players lose confidence in the coaching staff.
See 12 men on the field, twice in 3 plays.
Call it chaos, call it a bump in the road, but Caddy was only umming because he knew he just made his own bed on that comment.
October 18th, 2010 at 12:19 pm
Whether Raheem should stay or go will be a result of him making tough decisions which he will have to make this week. If he does not make lineup changes at tailback and middle linebacker this will go on all year long. Raheem has done some good things but now he will earn his paycheck or we will see Cowher or someone else here next year. He is responsible for the starting lineup and right now the starters are not getting it done with no hope in sight.
October 18th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
For those who missed Rah’s press conference here are the highlights:
1. Didn’t bring our best self.
2. Gotta get better.
October 18th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
Cowher might very well be heading to Dallas.
And saying Raheem only has next week to prove himself is silly. All he has to do is finisg 2-1 on a positive note… right?
October 18th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
Cowher is by far and away the most qualified coach the bucs have ever had a chance of landing. (except perhaps Parcells).
Naturally, they are gonna blow it.
October 18th, 2010 at 12:46 pm
Well, well…look at all these peope making excuses for Caddy and jumping Joe’s case!
For those who are familiar with my posts, you all know that if I disagree with anyone, Joe or commentor alike, I say so, though usually in a respectable manner.
In this case, I am siding with Joe. Caddy is realizing he isn’t starting material, and his first instinct is to shift the blame to the coaching. He’s making excuses. He needs to own up and accept his part of the responsibility.
Is coaching to blame?
Perhaps partly. But so is execution and ability. The Offensive Line and the runningbacks (including Graham) are falling far short of late. Even the WRs are messing up, though I think that is more due to inexperience.
For example, Stroughter turned right on one play when he should have turned left…during the play, you could see Freeman shaking his head as he realized the WR got the route wrong!
In most areas, experience will solve the issues this team has…with the exception of two areas…RBs and OL. We need a transplant in both areas.
DL will improve throughout the year, I’m not as worried about that, though I would think the DEs would get more sacks considering I’m seeing our star lineman double and triple-teamed.
Even at safety…I’m seeing promising things from Grimm, and I suspect he will get much better as time goes on.
But the Running Game and the Oline just plain suck right now. The oline cannot runblock and they don’t even pass block well much of the time. Poor Freeman has a huge target painted all over him, and the opposing team is having no problem getting to him.
And people keep saying the oline is not making holes for the RBs…I’m sorry, but good RBs turn a 2 yard hole into a 7 yard hole, and a 8 yard hole into a 40 yard gain.
Remember the old WD-40 days? Alstott didn’t have a lot of holes…he made them…and the opposing line feared him. Right when they prepared to brace themselves against his hard hits, he would bounce to the side in a second effort and get yards. WD would move to the side so fast he outran the immediate defenders.
Caddy is a great comeback story…but that’s all he is. He should have been cut after last year…and he certainly should not have been the starter this year.
At both Fullback and Halfback, we need to just throw in the young guys and let them develop ingame. They certainly cannot do worse. Our “vets” are already turning hte ball over and getting no yards.
It’s time to move on. One thing you can say about Morris and Dominick is that they seem to be doing well when choosing new, young talent. Let’s put the ytoung guys in and give them time to develop now so that come next year they might actually amount to something…or at least we’ll know if we need to address it in the draft…right?
October 18th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
As to Cowher…I don’t thing he goes to Dallas…I think Gruden will…unless he ends up in Washington. He certainly won’t end up here. Morris is secure this year and next.
You can count on that. (unless the CBA works out and there is no lockout)
October 18th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
I agree with Cadillac. The first thing out of my mouth yesterday was that we got out-coached/out-schemed. I’m one of the biggest Rah supporters on JBF but he simply lost the chess match to a more seasoned OC and allowed the Saints to grab momentum early and never relinquish it. It happens.
That being said, most diehards of this team have kept the proper perspective this entire time and realize that growing pains = PAIN! We were not going to make the playoffs this year and we were going to get our butts kicked at some point this year. This game and the previous games merely cement what most true fans of the team knew was going to happen this year. We’ll beat the teams we’re supposed to beat and lose to the teams we’re supposed to lose to. There’s no need to fire Rah already. lol
October 18th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
I always thought Chucky would get the Cowboys’ job and Cowher would take over in Carolina in 2011. I could see Bill the Chin in Dallas and it makes sense.
I agree with JimBuc about Cadi. That makes sense.
Cadi has a good heart. Ward has a big mouth. Much different.
October 18th, 2010 at 1:21 pm
And if we stop getting lucky and beating the teams we are supposed to beat?
Then what?
October 18th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
I want to know why this O line can run block – ever! what difference does it makes if it’s Caddy or Kareem or Blount they dont move the line and never get to secondary level blocks.
October 18th, 2010 at 2:38 pm
@ Eric
Luck is simply opportunity meeting preparation. The Browns and Bengals wins were because of errors we forced.
Your glass is half full Eric. Stay positive.
October 18th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
This really wasn’t much of anything. Much ado about nothing. Cadillac was just saying the Saints beat them in every phase of the game. Yes he included coaching in there. Big deal. And to compare Cadillac to D. Ward is asinine. Just asinine.
October 18th, 2010 at 3:47 pm
caddy did pause and say ”um” like he shouldnt of said that.
October 18th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
Does it really matter that Caddy said it or not?
It’s TRUE. Get Real.
October 18th, 2010 at 6:11 pm
Can we just cut/trade his washed up ass? Then it would not be an issue? yes?
October 18th, 2010 at 7:07 pm
This isn’t really a story. Anytime you get blown out, you’ve been outplayed AND outcoached. Its pretty standard.
Was there ever an NFL football game in which one team got blown out where the losing team didn’t get outcoached and outplayed?
October 18th, 2010 at 7:42 pm
Morris is learning just like the other rookies. However I am not sure he will be able to separate his coaching from his friendships. A major problem is the run defense. Teams will attack it all year long, and if it is not fixed we are in for a long year. I think that McCoy will not make it as a plug in the middle. If you don’t want to see a bust, you will need to move him to end. Price on the other hand gets lower, has good movement off the ball and can create havoc.
October 18th, 2010 at 9:06 pm
Whatever happened to that rotation scheme as between Price and McCoy. Highly touted in pre-season and training camp.
October 19th, 2010 at 10:49 am
yeah, a year and a half by now cohwer would have us leading the division ready for the superbowl get for real.