The Bucs, Liam Coen, Team Glazer And The 30-Point Club
January 6th, 2025
Buccaneers co-owner Joel Glazer.
Did Team Glazer offer an eight-figure check yet to Liam Coen in exchange for not interviewing for a head coaching job this year?
If not, what’s the holdup?
Joe sure hopes it’s already happened behind closed doors inside the Team Glazer cone of silence.
It’s in the Bucs’ best interest to retain their first-year NFL playcaller for another season. It may not be ideal for Team Glazer’s balance sheet, but that’s not Joe’s concern. Team Glazer likes to say it operates in the best interest of the franchise, so Joe’s clinging to that on this fine Monday.
Make it happen!
So why is Coen so critical? Joe will point to the 30-point club. If you have an offense that can score 30 points per game, then you will be in the playoffs.
Don’t buy it? How bout 15 years worth of data.
Below are all the teams that have scored 29.9 points or more in a season since the 2010 campaign.
Every freakin’ one made the playoffs. (Joe included this year’s Bucs for perspective.)
Points per game:
2024 Lions 33.2, Bills 30.9, Ravens 30.5 (Bucs 29.5)
2023 Cowboys 30.1
2022* None (Chiefs led league at 29.2)
2021 Cowboys 30.4, Bucs 29.9
2020 Packers 31.5, Bucs 30.8, Bills 29.9
2019 Ravens 33.2, 49ers 29.9
2018 Chiefs 35.3, Rams 32.9, Saints 31.5
2017 Rams 29.9
2016 Falcons 33.8
2015 Panthers 31.3, Cardinals 30.6
2014 Packers 30.4, Broncos 30.1
2013 Broncos 37.9
2012 Patriots 34.8, Broncos 30.1
2011 Packers 35.0, Saints, 34.2, Patriots, 32.1
2010 Patriots 32.4
Again, all 27 teams made the playoffs. So did this year’s Bucs at 29.5 points per game.
Scoring rules the NFL, shaky defense or not.
Coen proved he can put points on the board — even with stars off the field. Team Glazer might need a full research team to find a first-year offensive coordinator that was as successful as Coen was this year.
Make it happen, Glazer. Simple as that.
January 6th, 2025 at 6:27 am
Amen.
January 6th, 2025 at 6:27 am
Yes please!
January 6th, 2025 at 6:30 am
Fire Bowles and make Coen head coach.
January 6th, 2025 at 6:30 am
Tell Todd and Liam that they both get $10M if Liam comes back. Still if the guy wants to be HC more than the cash, he’s going to do what he wants
January 6th, 2025 at 6:43 am
Promote Coen
January 6th, 2025 at 6:54 am
Imagine the motivation this team would have if news came out that Liam Coen was locked up for a few years and offered a big fat check.
January 6th, 2025 at 6:54 am
Do it. Do it.
January 6th, 2025 at 6:55 am
We’re in the playoffs despite what Todd has done.
We could have EASILY been 13-4 if his outdated and predictable scheme was replaced by a modern D that doesn’t give up huge chunks of yardage.
Todd needs to go.
January 6th, 2025 at 7:14 am
Todd is not going anywhere and Joe knows that too. That is why the crux of this article is keeping Coen. Bask in the glory of hosting a playoff game or two ye haters.
January 6th, 2025 at 7:25 am
These OC.s are over rated. Baker makes them look good. Who cares if Coen leaves. Just grab one of Baker.s former OC,s Alex van pelt or Freddie Kitchens
January 6th, 2025 at 7:28 am
The best way to retain Coen is to go deep into the play-offs. Clubs like to hirer the new coach as soon as possible so they can get started. get to the NFC Championship game and the opening might be filled.
January 6th, 2025 at 7:32 am
Joe: Has there ever been a time where a coordinator was paid equal to or higher than their head coach?
January 6th, 2025 at 7:50 am
If he walks, I walk. Just kidding. Get this deal done, high hats. Go Bucs!
January 6th, 2025 at 7:51 am
Going to the SB would not save us. Coen is as good as gone.
January 6th, 2025 at 7:52 am
Nah There are a lot of people who feel we don’t need Coen because we got Todd Bowles. If he’s goes don’t worry Todd found two head coaches he’ll find another one😑
January 6th, 2025 at 8:00 am
Coaching or talent on the field?
Where was this coach when Evens was out?
Is it just Baker maturing as a QB?
Questions everyone should be asking.
January 6th, 2025 at 8:00 am
Please stop the foolish banter of firing Bowles for Coen… it’s not going to happen. Just the optics alone, can you imagine the media getting a hold of this? Bowles has contributed whether as coordinator or HC to 1 Super Bowl, and 4 straight division titles, 3 of which were him as HC. He’s had to move on from Tom Brady, 2 offensive coordinators, rehabbing a first round QB cast-off in Baker. Not to mention, the consistent decline of what was once a star-studded defense from when he got here to where it is now. Despite all that, his def still averages 45 sacks per season. And regardless of the end of season schedule and the weak division, he got it done, and yet the Glazers are going to fire Bowles because they are afraid of a first year NFL play caller being plucked away to be HC somewhere else? Please, just stop.
Look, I get the frustration, he’s far from perfect, and his defense is difficult to watch sometime, yes, dropping Vita in coverage, doesn’t make sense to me either. Has anyone asked that question at a post-game presser? That being said, most of you that are scrutinizing Bowles, were haters from day 1, be honest. There is so much nitpicking, win or lose. We have no idea if Coen can run an entire team, nor does anyone here know who’d come to Tampa to take over our defense. No, it won’t be a successful defensive coordinator from a winning franchise who is going to make a parallel move to coach opposite Liam Coen. That’s just more stupid talk. Firing Bowles would send ripples through the org, greater than most of you all think. The defensive veterans, perhaps even the offensive veterans would have a huge problem with that. Let’s simply hope Coen stays put in Tampa. His coaching future looks really good, right here imo.
January 6th, 2025 at 8:00 am
I find this discussion offensive because of the stupidity of the NFL!!!
Aside from a legitimate debate about whether OC’s can bolt their teams after one year, I’m assuming their original teams have signed more than one year deals when they come on board, giving them the option to bolt after a year seems extreme to me and unfair to the team who signed them.
So if you disagree with that, OK, but ONE thing this is simply absurd is letting anybody interview another teams coaches while they are in the freaking playoffs.
All hands on board are now focused on the playoffs. I think that includes the Bucs and their coaches but do they need anything making their jobs more difficult. For what purpose. So the horrible teams get to mess with the good teams SB preparations. Where is the fairness or logic in that?
Perhaps I’m missing something. Other than the crappiest of teams, who is harmed by simply putting a mortorium on interviews and recruitment until the SEASON ENDS and that’s with the Super Bowl?
January 6th, 2025 at 8:07 am
Give Liam the money that was supposed to be given to Bruce Arians
January 6th, 2025 at 8:15 am
Been saying this for years stpetebucsfan. But New England’s great run saw so many coordinators poached and they still won. It’ll never change.
January 6th, 2025 at 9:06 am
Amazing to think about this, especially after having lived through all of the games that the Bucs won or lost by scores like 9-7 during the Brooks-Sapp years.
January 6th, 2025 at 9:09 am
@View
I see it as a two part debate. The first you have accurately addressed which is the exodus of great coordinators from many good teams in the past.
And I agree with you it may never change and that’s OK.
But what harm would it do, other than slow horrible teams rebuild of their upper management by a month or two. Let them freaking wait till the season is over.
January 6th, 2025 at 9:10 am
@Zoocomics
Thanks for bringing some rationality to the discussion!!!
January 6th, 2025 at 9:14 am
By hook or crook, we have to keep Liam Coen, even if means Todd Bowles get jettisoned maybe Bowles could be enticed to retire early
January 6th, 2025 at 9:15 am
I think Coen is gone and lightning won’t strike 3 times in the same place. Glazers can’t pay Coen head coach money I mean Todd Bowles is trash Josh much could he possibly be making and to pay him on par with what Bowles is making what does that say to him? Might as well fire Bowles if that’s the case.
January 6th, 2025 at 9:27 am
Wow. I was going to counter with this year’s Cincinatti Bengals, but discovered they are just scoring 27.5 per game so you’re right.
It’s incredible when realizing we are scoring more than them because all we’re hearing is how Joe Burrows is lighting things up and should be in the MVP race.
Burrows is definitely having a better individual season than Mayfield, and Mayfield shouldn’t be considered a top candidate for MVP (but maybe should be in conversation?).. but, it’s eye-opening just how lethal our offense was this season.
January 6th, 2025 at 9:29 am
Fire Bowles even if they go to the SB get it done
January 6th, 2025 at 9:31 am
If the Bucs did not average almost 30 points a game and had numbers similar to what Canales led them to last year, about 21 points a game if I recall, the Bucs would likely not be in the playoffs and Bowles would have gotten launched this morning like the Jags coach just was this morning and the Pats head coach shortly after their upset win over the Bills. Thus Coen, IMHO, is the catalyst which got the Bucs to 7 wins despite Bowles’ D being so, so soft and predictable. The Glazers and their crew at OBP need to lock Coen up. Plus if the Bucs get boat raced by the Commander, then the Glazers still have to take a long hard look at Bowles as going 10-8 and going out in the first round is not progress over last year when they beat Philly at Ray Jay which was the last prime time game the Bucs have won, going winless this year. I hope the Bucs win next Sunday but if they do not, I am not sure if Bowles is safe, especially if teams start requesting to interview Coen.
January 6th, 2025 at 9:37 am
Ideally Bowles/Liam both come back. Who knows how Liam manages an NFL team vs being an OC. Very different roles. We have no idea what type of defense he would prefer/etc as well.
Bowles runs a defense that seems to either do amazing or horrific. The Saints game was a perfect example and we’ve seen multiple games where the defense is soft and shredded in the 1st half and then figures it out by the 2nd half. I’d prefer that trend over the opposite, because it shows we are making some adjustments (although some games it seems we never adjusted).
We were a top 7 defense last year in points given up (19.1), and 16th this year.
Considering all the injuries and lack of elite players relative to the offense, that doesn’t seem too bad. Still – it felt like the defense and some of the game-management this year were the most disappointing things to a lot of fans.
January 6th, 2025 at 9:50 am
Yeah! We wanna fire Bowles, and hire a winning coach!
Oh, wait.
Bowles is the winningest coach in Buc History!!!
He’s won the division every season!
He’s one of the top all time winning coaches in the History of the League!!!
Why is it you clods wanna fire him?
You can just hear the air whistling thru the empty skulls.
Meybe Cohen could be a Head coach, instead of an O.C.
Let Atlanta or New Orleans find out.
I personally enjoy being the NFC South CHAMPION BUCCANEERS every year.
Same bunch whined to sign Canales last year.
That woulda turned out just great.
January 6th, 2025 at 10:00 am
Miraculous that Todd Bowles got as much out of that ragtag, injury laden defense that he did. His season long, halftime adjustments were spectacular. It was as if a new defensive team emerged after halftime. Bowles may not be a great in game tactician; but, he knows how to communicate to his players who all seem to respect him.
Bowles haters ought to relax. He isn’t going anywhere. After all the ragging on this guy from the majority on this site, it would be poetic justice if Bucs win the next couple of playoff games.
January 6th, 2025 at 10:00 am
How about we take a few of these constant whiners and throw them into the Buc seasons during the mid-1980s. They would stroke out. Good riddance. Signed, an actual Bucs fan who was a fan during those very dreary seasons.
January 6th, 2025 at 10:15 am
Pay the man to keep him . If you don’t and they fire Atlanta coach he goes there we will never win the south again point blank.
January 6th, 2025 at 10:30 am
Julio
He’s not going to Atlanta, Rah just arrived and now he has his real QB.
New Orleans or New England are far more tempting franchises for Coen although like ALL teams they too have issues.
Ironically it was the Saints DC Joe Burns who was the first to outcoach Coen this season. It was easily Coen’s worst performance of the season. It was if he had given his play list to the Saints, they seemed to anticipate where each play was headed.
The ONLY reason the Bucs won yesterday was Mayfield playing out of his gourd.
He loaded the Coen-less offense on his back and literally carried willed the team forward carrying guys on his back physically and metaphorically.
Baker may not have had the best QB play ever yesterday, but his leadership was freaking off the charts. But of course Trask would have been the better choice!
BWAAAHAAAHAA
January 6th, 2025 at 11:05 am
Still hate for Todd even though the entire defense was hurt the entire year I’m not saying he is a top head coach alll the time but give the man a bit of credit I hope we don’t lose Coen but calm down with Dennis out that messed up the middle of the field and to be honest who else was helping LVD in the middle he was basically a one man band in the middle of the field think about that LVD BY HIMSELF WORKING HARD FOR 2 PEOPLE Todd did a great job with what he had to deal with
January 6th, 2025 at 11:10 am
Coach Liam is extremely rare and highly valuable in this league….
Bowels is easily replaceable…
There are already significant upgrades for DC available right now….
Bucs could be dominant in 2025 season with Liam high octane offense and a much needed, improved, upgraded defense!
January 6th, 2025 at 11:21 am
^ agree st Pete – there was some very questionable play calling yesterday, and it was a lot of scrambles / sandlot football on some of our biggest plays.
Coen gets too cute with too many throws behind the LOS imo, and we’ve seen multiple teams ready for it and blowing up those plays over the last few weeks. That seems like one of very few weak spots in his playcalling.
January 6th, 2025 at 11:39 am
Better get an excavator..
January 6th, 2025 at 11:56 am
Canals jumped ship for 6M dollars.
January 6th, 2025 at 11:57 am
@Zoocomics
Dude, if only more people understood the business of football, when Baker got there most Buc fans where writing him off, now look, playoff bound again, and it can’t be just the OC, look at the Rams, and 2 different OC’s….Buc fans let’s be honest with ourselves, we have a good team, and team includes Coach, OC, DC and players
January 6th, 2025 at 12:31 pm
Open the Glazer Vault for Liam.
And put Simeon Rice in the Ring of Honor
January 6th, 2025 at 12:42 pm
Not for long league – not sure you can prevent a coordinator from interviewing for a HC position. Position coaches have different rules. Someone correct me if I am wrong. Bowles deserves a lot of credit for getting us to 10 wins with that defense. No LBs, no dline. Licht needs to earn his pay this offseason and acquire a passrusher and a stud LB or else he needs to walk the plank.
January 6th, 2025 at 12:45 pm
The good news is that so far, teams with openings have either interviewed or asked for permission to interview about a dozen candidates, and I haven’t seen Coen mentioned once. Of course that could end at any minute.
That said, if he goes, he goes. I’m not as freaked out as you all. We’ll just hire another guy from the McVay or Shanahan coaching trees with a similar philosophy.
The idea of firing Bowles and promoting Coen is just stupid. Bowles has been doing fine, and Coen is a completely unknown commodity as a head coach.
January 6th, 2025 at 12:48 pm
Bowles is more replaceable than Jamel Dean.
January 6th, 2025 at 12:52 pm
Bowles will never be fired, he will retire a Buccaneer HC. The Glazers can easily retain Coen, give him a three year contact at 3m per. He came out last week and said he wants to be a Head Coach, he just not sure if it needs to be now. Coen is 39, being a HC at 42 is still amazing and he may be more prepared for staying put in Tampa a few more years.
January 6th, 2025 at 4:28 pm
Let’s see now. If Bowles Retired or was fired and Coen automatically gets the job that mean he was GIFTED the job. But nobody would have anything to say about that even if no other candidate were interviewed or considered for the position.
January 6th, 2025 at 5:04 pm
“But nobody would have anything to say about that even if no other candidate were interviewed or considered for the position.”
I’m not sure DBS. Great question. The NFL does have preferences for minority interviews so that MIGHT be a problem.
The fans and what few here wish to discuss is how the player react is perhaps a different story. It could be a real cleaver between the O which would support their guy and the D who support their guy!
January 6th, 2025 at 5:29 pm
St Pete you see the problem is the fans here that want Bowles Retired or fired want the same they are complaining about Bowles. Gift it to Coen. But they wouldn’t complain or challenge that at all. Now why would that be? You and I are about the same age. I know why so do they. They are fooling nobody.
January 6th, 2025 at 11:08 pm
Bowles is not the problem,Having the correct personelle and depth on defense is !!
January 7th, 2025 at 7:30 am
I’ve heard this fire Bowles since BA stepped down and I’m over it. Pay Coen to stay, promise him the Team when Todd retires and let’s draft D 1st, starting with a REAL EDGE RUSHER!!!