“Teams Are Going To Start To Catch On”
November 8th, 2024
Doubted by an ex-Buc.
Joe is ecstatic about the Bucs offense thriving through two games without Mike Evans and Chris Godwin. It’s damn impressive.
Others have a different view.
Take ex-Bucs quarterback Chris Simms, the NBC analyst. He’s a fan of Tampa Bay and loves how the Bucs have turned Cade Otton into their top option and found ways to thrive throwing to running backs.
But Simms thinks the success will be fleeting.
“Teams are going to start to catch on and slow that down and it’s going to make it tough sledding for the Buccaneers,” Simms said on Pro Football Talk.
Then Simms let his frustration show.
“It stinks,” he said. “The Buccaneers are a playoff team but I don’t know if they can survive these injuries and where they are in this stretch of the schedule right now.”
As for Sunday against the 49ers (4-4), Simms talked about how he considered that the Bucs (4-5) might get blown out in Tampa. But Simms, who is close friends with Niners head coach Kyle Shanahan and follows the team closely, said he released that thought because San Francisco has been too inconsistent.
“They find ways to let teams stay in a game too often,” he said.
Joe will disagree with Simms that the NFL is going to catch up to the Bucs’ re-worked offense.
If you have a smart playcaller, a strong offensive line, a Pro Bowl quarterback and solid skill players, NFL defenses shouldn’t figure you out.
The Bucs have all those things.
November 8th, 2024 at 1:35 pm
It’s only natural D’s will start to see patterns and make adjustments, but do feel Simms is overlooking the intelligence of Coen & Co and their ability to adjust as well. Fairly certain Coen hasn’t even installed half his playbook at this point, surely a lot left in the bag. The isn’t a Byron Leftwich offense we’re running anymore, maybe Simms forgot that. Still expect Bucs to lose though after their D craters as usual.
November 8th, 2024 at 1:39 pm
Hey Joe what happened to Cincy last night? That decision to go for two at the end hurts just like not getting a chance to touch the rock in OT
November 8th, 2024 at 1:42 pm
The best thing about Coen so far is that he makes adjustments.
If defenses start taking away certain aspects of our scheme we have the ability to adapt. We can win on offense in numerous ways
November 8th, 2024 at 1:47 pm
Bucembaby813 St fu, going for two on the road against THE assassin of the NFL is the correct decision successful or not. It is called situational awareness, our coach has none.
November 8th, 2024 at 1:49 pm
I agree Joe. Coen just has to stay fresh. As soon as they are stacking up to stop the RBs and TE… that’s where Culp starts running deep seam routes and Palmer/Baker need to find the deep ball connection.
Anyone bringing up Cincy… Bengals made the right call. They trusted their offense and it didn’t work out. Division game on the road and they are a long way back… OT went poorly for them last time, great decision that didnt work. I would have loved to make the right decision vs KC regardless of how it worked out because at least I could trust Bowles.
November 8th, 2024 at 1:49 pm
That’s right Mike C.
November 8th, 2024 at 1:59 pm
Chris Simms is no fan of the bucks. Every week on PFT he and Florio pick games and he constantly picks agiast the Bucs and rarely has any thing good to say about them now Florio seems to really like the Bucs this season.
November 8th, 2024 at 1:59 pm
I expected locals to chime in on the Cinci go for two loss. It was the correct decision because going into overtime the way Jackson and the Raven offense was scoring after being down by 14 in the 3rd just proves that the decision Taylor made was correct. Remember also when you are a road team in a tight game you see the refs ignoring obvious roughing the passer/facemask infraction as Burrow clearly was hit after release and had his facemask grabbed.
The Bengals lost but clearly the Ravens don’t play within the rules defensely and get away with fouls they are clearly getting away with. The Chris Godwin ankle injury was a foul and not called either.
November 8th, 2024 at 2:02 pm
Yea they made the right decision (not) . They lost the game idiot.
November 8th, 2024 at 2:06 pm
So did the Bucs
November 8th, 2024 at 2:12 pm
Bowels can’t best Shan even when Brady was here. Unfortunately I don’t think the Bucs will win
November 8th, 2024 at 2:13 pm
Simms is missing a spleen, probably impairs his judgment. But regarding the Niners blowing out the Bucs, he’s not wrong, but it won’t be any fault of Liam and the offense.
November 8th, 2024 at 2:14 pm
Exactly grandpa so who is second guess the coach you can lose either way.
November 8th, 2024 at 2:21 pm
There is absolutely NO way you can say one way or the other that going for 2 was the right call. There is WAY too many variables. Ravens without question had gained momentum offensively and finally got a turnover HOWEVER the Bengals defense had shut them down for the overwhelming majority. I think the odds of winning a coin flip to get the ball first in OT is the play. The NFL 2 point conversion success rate is ONLY a hair over 30% for this year and that’s atrocious. I want a coin toss and my quarterback who has over 400 yards in a coin flip to start OT instead. It’s annoying with all the MISCONCEPTION that you go for 2. Sabremetics at their simplest form does not apply to that situation. There is Way too many factors. That last drive the Ravens forced the Bengals to work for every yard down to 4th down. They didn’t steam roll into the end zone. The best play would in my opinion would be go to a coin flip for OT because of the games variables. The other BS, oh we are on the road, always go for it… blah blah . You can’t state that as a “rule”. Too many mathematical “variables” so it’s dumb to say you always go for 2 on the road. I say mathematically, after plugging in ALL game time variables, the play was OT.
November 8th, 2024 at 2:25 pm
I still cant understand some fans.
Bengals go for 2 they donr make it and lose the game. Wrong decisoion.
Bucs dont go for 2 and lose the game. Wrong decision.
You cant have it both ways. You cant judge a decision only after you saw the result.
Either you think you must go for 2 points to win the game or you dont. You must have an opinion before the fact.
I think the correct decision is to go for 2 and try to win the game (if it is not the playoffs where rules are different). In OT you may have not the chance to be at the 2yd line again. That is my opinion. I would accept if someone thinks that kick and go to OT is better even if i disagree. But you cant have it both ways and judge only from the result. You got to have an opinion before the situation arrives. Otherwise you just a smartass who thinks he is always right. Spoiler alert…… You are not right
Go Bucs
November 8th, 2024 at 2:34 pm
CANALES TO THE RESCUE
If it wasn’t for the worst coach in NFL (Canales), Todd Bowles would have the #1 WORST DEFENSE in the NFC (points allowed).
How in the world did these two masterminds make it to the playoffs last year?
Did we actually have a Super Bowl contender and not know it?
November 8th, 2024 at 2:45 pm
What the Bengals did or didnt do is irrelevant to the coaching decision in Tampa. In our situation we have an ascending offence and a descending defense… Whos hands should have been on the ball ?
November 8th, 2024 at 2:46 pm
Lovie2’s defense loses in overtime. It’s part of Lovie2’s comprehensive “play to lose” system. It loses to the Browns with the Goat, to Atlanta, to KC, to Rutgers, to Muhlenberg School for the Blind. Doesn’t matter.
If there were a proper HC the Bucs go for two. Of course if there were a proper HC, a change of DC would have been made by now.
November 8th, 2024 at 3:10 pm
Chris Simms another gasbag
When they catch on Mike will be back lol
November 8th, 2024 at 3:13 pm
Coen will make adjustments, he’s wired to play that chess game. Look what he’s done with Evans and Godwin out, we’re putting up points with a completely different skill set of WRs. If the opposition focuses on Otton, he’ll create a mismatch elsewhere with White or Irving or Shepherd.
Bowles on the other hand is going to continue doing what hasn’t worked all season…..it’s a hopeless cause.
November 8th, 2024 at 3:18 pm
Why can’t some of you give some of this 💩 a break and focus on the topic/subject of the article?
The offense, Liam.
There have been plenty of posts about the decision not to go for 2.
There have been a ton of articles about Todd being on the hot seat.
And about the defensive issues we have.
Must you dump the same crap in the comments of every single article Joe posts?
Todd sucks.
Todd’s defense sucks.
Todd should be burned at the stake for not going for 2
Blah blah blah.
Post all the negative comments you want… No problem… But could you please stop hijacking every single comments “thread” with the same complaints and criticisms? 🙏🏼
November 8th, 2024 at 3:50 pm
Maybe, but everyone knew the Chiefs were going to throw to Kelce over the middle and the Bucs were powerless to stop it. He caught 14 passes.
As long as Otton uses his big frame to stay underneath the zone defense, Baker should continue to find him open.
November 8th, 2024 at 3:57 pm
Behind this OL of ours I would expect us to unleash this 3_headed monster of ours soon. I think Sean Tucker has more than they’ve let me see. If we’ll run it more than we throw it Sunday I bet we will win.
November 8th, 2024 at 4:08 pm
We win Sunday, we go to the playoffs!!! Simple as that!!! G Bucs
November 8th, 2024 at 5:35 pm
Sure teams will cover Otton and the RBs. Thats why Dev Culp will play and blow up the 49ers. Coen has been saving Dev for this! LFG!
November 8th, 2024 at 6:25 pm
@Bucembaby813
Yep I’ve always said that about all these teams & them focusing on all these analytics. It’s just destroying everything because of stuff like that & that’s why I agreed with the Bucs kicking it. Just go to OT & see if you can win the coin toss & hopefully stop them or force some turnovers. Instead everybody wants to gamble & rely on analytics when that Cincinnati game was another perfect example. Just kick it go into OT & try & win the coin toss. They were moving the ball & they were scoring so there’s no reason they couldn’t of beat Baltimore in OT. Instead now they dropped further behind Baltimore & Pittsburgh because of that decision. Stupid. But nope that’s what “the analytics told them to do.” It’s gonna end up costing teams & coaches at some point.
November 8th, 2024 at 7:06 pm
Bengals and Bucs are apples and oranges. Why would any try to make any equivalence between the two. You can’t, at least not anything meaningful. Oh hey both teams wear a uniform and have a waterboy therefore, same. Yeah right
Bucs should have went for two though. No doubt about that.
November 8th, 2024 at 7:55 pm
GoneGator makes some valid points.
“Lovie2 sucks.” True
“Lovie2’s defense sucks.” True
“Lovie2 should be burned at the stake for not going for 2”
Only the last point is a little extreme. “Redeployed to a teaching assignment on the east coast” is a more proper way to say it.
November 8th, 2024 at 7:57 pm
When your primary WRs are rookies- you Have a major weakness.
Buuut
I kept thinking the NFL would shut down our offense- the years we we last in rushing.
But they didn’t.
Time will tell
November 8th, 2024 at 8:29 pm
There are the liars again. Had Bowles gone and missed you would have been the first people here to cry it was wrong. STOP trying. To BS people and say you wouldn’t have done it.
November 8th, 2024 at 9:14 pm
Two reasons why going for two was the only decision.
1. Lovie2’s defense can’t stop anyone especially at the end of a game and especially not in OT.
2. Mahomes
3. Baker and the Bucs O was hot.
Ok that’s three reasons.
November 8th, 2024 at 9:57 pm
Okay my last comment about going for 2. I’ll use a Black Jack Analogy. There is a 100 percent proven way of improving your odds by “playing by the book” Splitting cards doubling, hitting etc. when playing a black jack.
So generally speaking one might say go for 2 on the road and all sorts of BS like the majority of basic black players subscribe to. The other player, one that is “card counter” however, does not pigeon himself into a one size fits all decision. A card counter TOTALLY goes against the rules because they are taking real time variables on what cards are left but beating the game. So it’s ignorant and short sighted to say… always go for 2 on the road. Way Too many more important variables that trump that. Remember when Texas holdem was popular and people said you only play these 10 hands in this position blah blah blah. Now look at poker. People play the SITUATION depending on ALL the variables. I’m taking a 49% chance of winning a coin toss vs a 21% chance on a two pointer. The Ravens did not stop the Bengals once all game. Henry was a non factor and Ravens had only 11 minutes of good offensive football.
November 8th, 2024 at 10:01 pm
Okay my last comment about going for 2. I’ll use a blackjack Analogy. There is a 100 percent proven way of improving your odds by “playing by the book” Splitting cards doubling, hitting etc. when playing a blackjack.
So generally speaking one might say go for 2 on the road and all sorts of BS like the majority of basic black players subscribe to. The other player, one that is “card counter” however, does not pigeon himself into a one size fits all decision. A card counter totally goes against the rules because they are taking real time variables on what cards are left but beating the game. So it’s short sighted to say… always go for 2 on the road. Way Too many more important variables that trump that. Remember when Texas holdem was popular and people said you only play these 10 hands in this position etc. Now look at poker. People play the situation depending on ALL the variables. I’m taking a 49% chance of winning a coin toss vs a 21% chance on a two pointer. The Ravens did not stop the Bengals once all game. Henry was a non factor and Ravens had only 11 minutes of good offensive football.
November 8th, 2024 at 10:02 pm
Okay my last comment about going for 2. I’ll use a blackjack Analogy. There is a 100 percent proven way of improving your odds by “playing by the book” Splitting cards doubling, hitting etc. when playing a blackjack.
So generally speaking one might say go for 2 on the road and all sorts of garbage like the majority of basic blackjack players subscribe to. The other player, one that is “card counter” however, does not pigeon himself into a one size fits all decision. A card counter totally goes against the rules because they are taking real time variables on what cards are left but beating the game. So it’s short sighted to say… always go for 2 on the road. Way Too many more important variables that trump that. Remember when Texas holdem was popular and people said you only play these 10 hands in this position etc. Now look at poker. People play the situation depending on ALL the variables. I’m taking a 49% chance of winning a coin toss vs a 21% chance on a two pointer. The Ravens did not stop the Bengals once all game. Henry was a non factor and Ravens had only 11 minutes of good offensive football.
November 8th, 2024 at 10:42 pm
TF – tell the truth brother. There aren’t many who grasp your explanation. Unfortunately, the most important doofus who is clueless to your point oversees the Bucs team and defense. A pathetic situation — and your wonderful analogy is exactly why he should be fired Sunday at 4:37pm EST.
November 9th, 2024 at 4:26 am
Dave Pear…..you’re attempt at a new nickname is not catching on. Give it a rest please
November 9th, 2024 at 7:54 am
The bye week cant cone soon enough
November 9th, 2024 at 10:29 am
We took a body part from Chris simms he will never be on our side lol….I call a good game this Sunday Christian McCaffrey anytime td is the only thing that seems for sure. No aiyuk I think we best them this week.
November 9th, 2024 at 11:01 am
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November 9th, 2024 at 11:46 am
The horizontal game has bought some time for the young receivers to get their feet wet but one or two wideouts will have to start making plays.