“I Haven’t Seen Him Get A Sniff Since”
November 4th, 2024
Joe Tryon-Shoyinka
So two former Buccaneers took their shots at Joe Tryon-Shoyinka in the past week.
First, the Bucs’ miserable edge rush has Jon Gruden in disbelief, so he ranted on Gruden Loves Football. Previewing tonight’s Bucs-Chiefs game, Gruden talked about how YaYa Diaby hasn’t hit expectations following his strong rookie season and the Bucs’ Super Bowl-winning head coach doesn’t understand what happened to Tryon-Shoyinka.
Gruden noted that after Tryon-Shoyinka had an opening-day sack against Washington, “I haven’t seen him get a sniff since.” (And Joe will add that Gruden watches the Bucs closely and attended the Bucs-Ravens home game.)
Joe wrote about how Tryon-Shoyinka has regressed this season — and the bar was low coming in.
The other Buccaneer pointing a finger at the Bucs’ 2021 first-round pick is retired guard Ian Beckles (1990-1996).
Beckles got after JTS during his In The Trenches podcast. That’s a common occurrence but it hit a new level after the Bucs lost to the Falcons.
“If I told you [JTS] didn’t play, you wouldn’t know I’m lying,” Beckles said. “What did he do? … He is a terrible football player and I don’t know why they keep putting him on the football field. It has to be because we don’t have anybody else. Because he does nothing. … He has no instincts. He has no mean in him.”
Joe sure hopes Diaby, who Beckles likes, and Tryon-Shoyinka find their best games tonight in Kansas City.
Not only are they overdue, that probably would represent the Bucs only shot to keep the Chiefs to 30 points, a total they haven’t hit all season.
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November 4th, 2024 at 6:08 pm
Joes can you find out how often our edge rushers are dropped into coverage vs other teams? I think that’s our problem on defense.
November 4th, 2024 at 6:17 pm
None of them are any good. Considering how much he was talked up in preseason, Diaby is every bit as disappointing as JTS.
November 4th, 2024 at 6:18 pm
Im not the GM but if I was I would of traded for Reddick. Even if it was a 2nd rounder… JTS will be gone after the season and Yaya at this point is nothing.
November 4th, 2024 at 6:24 pm
JTS is not an NFL player. The problem is the Bucs think he is. As bad as he’s been in the past, he’s doing worse this season, yet he still starts. You can say the same about Britt. Bowles won’t take away their starting jobs so either Todd’s clueless, or Licht hasn’t drafted well enough to bench either. I think it’s both Bowles, and Licht. Could be time to clean house at season’s end.
November 4th, 2024 at 6:25 pm
jag, always has been always will be
November 4th, 2024 at 6:34 pm
Yet Licht keeps getting a pass. He’s just as much of the problem as Bowles.
November 4th, 2024 at 6:35 pm
Good players regress under LovieII. Players with potential simply get horrible. A new dawn is coming tomorrow morning.
November 4th, 2024 at 6:36 pm
He’s just a “run-around guy.” He’s all over the field chasing the quarterback, and yet never close. It’s like he’s afraid of getting hit or making a hit.
November 4th, 2024 at 6:37 pm
I never liked the JTS pick from draft day on. He’s weak. No push, and have not seen the speed. Plus, his tackling is shakey. He’s Eric Curry 2.0. JL can’t draft a DE to save his life.
November 4th, 2024 at 6:38 pm
They cpuld play Braswell more or Ramirez. Again, Bowles is soooo slow to make adjustments it’s wild. I don’t get it.
November 4th, 2024 at 6:38 pm
It is hard to understand how the Bucs, Bowles and Licht thought they could get by with Troyn-Shoyinka as the starting edge rusher. He has never really stood out except a play here and there in how many years?. He appears to be playing consistent with the way he always has? , They were expecting something different! I doubt he would even be a second string player on many teams. YaYa, I can understand to a degree ,he finished strong last year. However, due to the weakness on the otherside they are putting two people on him most of the time and he is yet to figure that out, which tells you he has a way to go in his game.
It appears the Bucs did not figure this was a super bowl team this year and saw this year as a building block for the future. It is the only thing that makes sense. They knew they were really short on talent on the front end and linebacker, but intentionally failed to address it. Of course they are not going to say so publically. However, look around, teams who think they have a chance to go far this year are adding players. I don’t think this team has any such plans and is looking a couple years down the road. However, admit they desperately need more than 1 player to fix this defense.
Say what you will, but besides a lack of talent at certain positions, this defense for whatever reason is not motivated!!!. Tonight’s game may be an embarassment. One NFL Guy, stated earlier in the week, he has seem Tampa’s defense and this is the week that KC offense get back on track.
Yes frustrating as a fan when you see the offense really putting it all out there, only to watch the defense give up big play after big play. This defense is really, really, really, hard to watch.
November 4th, 2024 at 6:42 pm
Ian Beckles is funny, and usually makes a good point, lol
November 4th, 2024 at 6:48 pm
JTS never had a much of a college career. Why Jason thought this guy would make a positive contribution is beyond me. I’m tired of complaining about him and will just watch this season play out. He will be gone next season. Ya Ya has been a disappointment also. Think the Bucs will need to completely rebuild the defense next year.
November 4th, 2024 at 6:49 pm
Yard sale on defense!
November 4th, 2024 at 7:02 pm
Unfortunately, I think the Defensive Yard Sale is going to start with Bowles and the defensive coaching staff. Liam will be our new HC next year.
November 4th, 2024 at 7:15 pm
If your corners are playing 10 yards off the ball AND backpedaling the second the ball is snapped, and leaving giant huge holes all over the place, it’s hard for pressure to mean much.
This is all on Todd with his cupcake soft zone trash. I get it, everyone is injured, blah blah blah – those are legit talking points. In man the team is the worst in the NFL, I get it, and that’s legit too. However there are different types of zones. You can play a tighter zone, you don’t have to tell your corners to run 15 yards straight back on the snap of the ball.
If Todd actually thinks his job is on the line tonight, I have a feeling we’re going to see a rare aggressive defense, and not just sitting back. Todd might even go back to his SB gameplan, who knows. Sure, the Bucs have nowhere near the same amount of talent as that team, but going down swinging is a lot better than passively sitting back and getting sliced and diced to death.
November 4th, 2024 at 7:20 pm
At some point Jason Licht has to answer for these horrible personnel decisions!
November 4th, 2024 at 7:24 pm
I’m getting ready for the game. Just in case, I am surrounded by boxes of Kleenex and bottles of rum. SCALP THE CHIEFS. GO BUCS!
November 4th, 2024 at 7:27 pm
The Chiefs have been awful offensively this season. That likely means they break their slump tonight and put up 35+ points.
If they do, the Glazers need to start kicking tires.
November 4th, 2024 at 7:35 pm
Move Kancey & Hall to DE & & let Ramirez replace Tryon & put him with Yaya & put Brewer with Vita. Brewer had a good game the other game. I think it was the Baltimore game & maybe give Watts a chance at LB & let Britt go when he becomes a FA or ASAP.
November 4th, 2024 at 7:44 pm
And some of you want to put Licht in the Ring of Honor. More the the ring of horror when it comes to defense.
November 4th, 2024 at 7:47 pm
McMillan is out.
So your starting WRs tonight are… Sterling Shepard and Trey Palmer and the Bucs are going against a top flight defense.
I’m not a Baker Boi, everyone knows that, but I will not be bashing him tonight if he has a very poor night. You can not just say ‘next man up’ and think there’s no drop off.
I strongly expect this game to be a disaster, but KC hasn’t been putting people away, so perhaps the Bucs stick around long enough to get screwed by a terrible call.
November 4th, 2024 at 7:48 pm
Pelsbuc61 Says:
November 4th, 2024 at 7:44 pm
And some of you want to put Licht in the Ring of Honor. More the the ring of horror when it comes to defense.
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Meanwhile they literally won a Super Bowl, mainly on the back of the defense.
Moron.
November 4th, 2024 at 7:51 pm
Rod … I think our problems on defense go much deeper than just TB’s ‘cupcake soft zone trash’. First 4 games of the season this defense only allowed 78 points … 19.5 PPG average. That was good enough to get us to a 3-1 record against 4 teams that ALL have winning records right now (combined 25-9 record actually). Our offense only scored 99 points … 24.3 PPG average, but we weren’t beating ourselves (only 3 total giveaways & 19 penalties in 4 games).
Everything went to sh1t in the next 4 games when we went 1-3. The offense scored a lot more (138 points … 34.5 PPG) but committed a LOT more giveaways (9 in the 4 games) & we committed a LOT more penalties (31 in the 4 games). Defensively we fell apart, allowing opponents to score 135 points against us … 33.8 PPG average. We lost our starting CB Dean for over 2 of those games, and have had a number of other key guys dinged up.
No question in my mind that the turnovers created havoc within this defense, but danged, they’re really getting brutalized. The lack of depth is really showing, but even more-so it’s lack of talent within this defense. I can think of 3 starters who shouldn’t even be on the team right now, much less on the field. We’ve got 1 more day to trade for a solution to our MLB problem, our OLB problem & our CB problem. If nothing happens, that tells me that the front office has written off this season.
November 4th, 2024 at 8:02 pm
The only “sniff” JTS gets is his own farts.
November 4th, 2024 at 8:08 pm
This is gonna be brutal
November 4th, 2024 at 8:09 pm
Remember when Licht went on his world tour, bragging about how he just pulled off the greatest offseason in history because he re-signed a bunch of his own guys that produced a .500 season? And now Bowles’ team excuse for this disaster of a defense is that he has no ILBs that are smart enough or athletic enough to play.
How’s that receipt collection, Ring-of-Honor Licht? We’re now the same team we were under Licht before the Brady anomaly.
November 4th, 2024 at 9:20 pm
Pass rusher has been a huge problem since our last Super Bowl.
We obviously can’t draft pass rushers.
We WONT trade for one.
We WONT sign a good free agent. Jason Licht best effort was The ,
Legendary Randy Gregory.
So I guess Licht is happy.
So it looks like it’s gonna be a problem for a long time to come.
November 4th, 2024 at 9:29 pm
Bredeson and Mauch aren’t good
November 4th, 2024 at 9:38 pm
JTS should be playing Britts spot and Braswell should get his shot at OLB.
November 4th, 2024 at 11:47 pm
I gotta agree with some ,that J.T.S is a bust .Wasted draft pick.
November 5th, 2024 at 12:33 am
He may not have racked up stats, but he played a great first half. For anyone that actually knows how to watch a game, he was very disruptive and was there to make plays.
November 5th, 2024 at 12:44 am
Nelson should be starting over JTS at this point.