Dianna Russini: Baker Mayfield Will Not Take “Hometown Discount”
March 4th, 2024
Update.
With Bucs legend Mike Evans in the fold, all eyes turn to Bucs pending free agent quarterback Baker Mayfield.
To Joe, this is simple. If Evans signed this early, this has to mean Mayfield’s re-signing is imminent or at least a mere formality.
However, Dianna Russini of The Athletic, fresh from Indianapolis at the NFL’s winter festival, decided to throw a fly in the ointment. Her source(s) seem to think Mayfield re-signing with the Bucs isn’t a slam dunk.
Joe isn’t worried. Mayfield, for all his talking at the Media Center at Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas during Super Bowl Week, made it clear he wants to come back to the Bucs.
Last week Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht said he wants Mayfield back. And he added when a player wants to return and the team wants him back, far more often than not both sides find a way.
In Indianapolis, Licht sure appeared very confident he could re-sign most of his free agents. Joe thinks the Mayfield re-signing is just a matter of hours or handful of days.
What's next for Tampa? Trying to sign Baker Mayfield. The Bucs have started negotiations to keep him and making every effort to get it done. Sources have shared the QB will not take a hometown discount to stay. Meanwhile teams like Atlanta and Minnesota are watching…
— Dianna Russini (@DMRussini) March 4, 2024
March 4th, 2024 at 10:31 am
The affirmative action hire is wrong all the time
March 4th, 2024 at 10:32 am
All these opinions are total BS……they have no idea…..Beckles was totally wrong this morning.
March 4th, 2024 at 10:33 am
Maybe Diana has good sources, like Baker’s agent? I’m not confident the national media people know more than us at JBF. Baker will get signed.
March 4th, 2024 at 10:36 am
I hope it’s less than $30/year
March 4th, 2024 at 10:36 am
She is claiming they JUST started negotiations? They have been talking for weeks,
March 4th, 2024 at 10:37 am
Didnt they say the bucs were far away from a deal with evans last week? That Turned out to be fake news
March 4th, 2024 at 10:37 am
HELLO KYLE TRASK LOL
March 4th, 2024 at 10:37 am
She had a story she was sitting on and didnt think it was a ground breaking rumor, so she springs it after this, she is wrong a ton just like the local bspn reporter for the bucs, diversity hires
March 4th, 2024 at 10:39 am
Mayfield has already on the record saying that Money isn’t a big driver for him. Not sure how this is even a story for Russini.
March 4th, 2024 at 10:39 am
@Tampabaybucfan
Beckless is wrong most of the time…..
March 4th, 2024 at 10:41 am
She’s so dumb. Does anyone think Baker wants to go to a new team and city and “establish” himself yet again? He will get paid well, but whatever the amount is, I guarantee it will still be a bargain if he did choose to really test the market. Dude has been cast off so many teams with no continuity. This is his last shot to set some roots with a talented team. Does he really want to go to a crappy team who will overpay him and cement his legacy as a failed draft pick? Tampa gives him a chance to tell his haters that he’s no Johny Foosball.
March 4th, 2024 at 10:44 am
Mike S Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 10:37 am
HELLO KYLE TRASK LOL
^^^^^^^^^^^
In the famous words of Judge Smails, “Well, the world needs ditch diggers, too”. In Tr@sk’s case, the world needs clipboard holders, too.
March 4th, 2024 at 10:45 am
Mayfield isn’t as a high priority signing as the zealots think. I believe he’s last in line. Where a below average player should be. If he played better and was consistent it would be different. The reason it’s not a sure thing is because he really wasn’t that good. If licht puts a ton of cap on him and plays like his normal self (career average) which he more than likely regresses, licht will look like a bust with him. Just my opinion.
March 4th, 2024 at 10:46 am
She said that before Mike signed
March 4th, 2024 at 10:46 am
Beckles inider info was just the most recent proof that joirnalist have no one in the room of negoitaitons. Gms certainly aren;t discussing details, Agenrs aren’t and neither are the players.
March 4th, 2024 at 10:46 am
Bucs have already given Baker a contract to look at.
That was reported yesterday. Shes just spewing typical drivel.
As long as shes saying anything. Thats all she has to do.
Mike Evans said he wouldnt play for a team, unless they had an Elite QB.
His agent repeated it even more Clearly!
Mike signing means Baker is gonna be a Buc for Years to Come.
So is Jason Licht. This is just an incredible Job.
Just waiting for the other Shoe to drop!
March 4th, 2024 at 10:50 am
“If licht puts a ton of cap on him and plays like his normal self (career average) which he more than likely regresses, licht will look like a bust with him. Just my opinion.”
And if Licht lets him walk and he goes to Atlanta and haunts the Bucs 2x a year for 5-6 years, while going 5-12 to “see what Kyle Trask has”, he’ll be tarred and feathered.
March 4th, 2024 at 10:51 am
JimBobBuc Says:
Maybe Diana has good sources, like Baker’s agent? I’m not confident the national media people know more than us at JBF. Baker will get signed.
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If you want the truth, a player’s agent is NOT a good source to listen to just days before free agency. They’re not someone you rely upon for truthful information when they’re in the middle of a negotiation on behalf of their client.
March 4th, 2024 at 10:51 am
Grain of salt
March 4th, 2024 at 10:53 am
Playing hard ball eh? He will be back. This just means you guys clamouring for 30 million a year or less aren’t gonna like it. 34-40 million per incoming.
March 4th, 2024 at 10:55 am
Why bring up trask. Didn’t mention the licht bust of a second Rd pick. Licht is rolling the dice either way he goes. My money is on him being tarred and feathered if Mayfield is signed. Just from what I watched last year.
March 4th, 2024 at 10:56 am
Listen Im elated that they signed Mike. They obviously want Baker, bit at the right price. Mike could have got more. I was just thinking yesterday it would be a shame to get NOTHING in return for Mike. If Baker DOES sign elsewhere, Im sure there is a clause in Mikes contract about him deciding which team he is traded to.
Could still happen next year of Baker regresses. I want them to get a 1st round pick for Mike if he leaves and this AT LEAST means close to that.
Well done Licht.
March 4th, 2024 at 10:57 am
She’s the one I believe who said the Bucs wouldn’t make the playoffs after they signed Brady. Haven’t seen her be right about one thing Bucs related.
March 4th, 2024 at 10:59 am
Baker definitely deserves to get paid, but how much? There needs to be a give and take on both sides. Then again, it’s not my money.
March 4th, 2024 at 11:02 am
Thats what an agent should say
March 4th, 2024 at 11:08 am
QB idolatry. Pitiful.
March 4th, 2024 at 11:10 am
Bye…
March 4th, 2024 at 11:11 am
By 4 pm today Mike and Baker will be raising their Bromosas.
LFG!!!
March 4th, 2024 at 11:11 am
Baker’s signing will be announced this afternoon. He has already signed or agreed in principle. These two were always a package deal. Winfield gets the franchise tag
March 4th, 2024 at 11:12 am
Isn’t Diana Russini the trashy broad that tries to get scoops by seducing every athlete ? Is this what passes for journalism these days ? No wonder why journalists are so hated in this country.
March 4th, 2024 at 11:14 am
Please leave Baker!!🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
March 4th, 2024 at 11:16 am
Just like she said both would explore free agency just wait baker will sign in next 24 hours and all you self described experts will be wrong again
March 4th, 2024 at 11:16 am
Everyone dissing Trask will become his unabashed supporter if he has to play
March 4th, 2024 at 11:17 am
Bye bye bye!
March 4th, 2024 at 11:19 am
Brady takes discounts for the team. If baker wants more than 30m
Bye bye baby
March 4th, 2024 at 11:21 am
Well, she was right about Mike staying!!!
March 4th, 2024 at 11:22 am
Imo, baker’s deal is done, too.
Giving Mike his day. Baker news soon to follow.
Go Bucs!!!
March 4th, 2024 at 11:23 am
3 years, $60 Guaranteed, $90 total.
March 4th, 2024 at 11:23 am
Let’s sign Kirk Cousins!
March 4th, 2024 at 11:23 am
Anything less than that would make me very happy.
March 4th, 2024 at 11:24 am
Baker will take us back to the playoffs.
No Baker and Trask as QB1 = collapse of culture.
In Licht we trust!!!
March 4th, 2024 at 11:25 am
watch the Bucs trade Evans to wherever Mayfield signs lol
March 4th, 2024 at 11:25 am
Another way to look at it is that Mike Evans would NOT have signed unless he knew Baker would be back!
Bottom line
Good news!
March 4th, 2024 at 11:26 am
Go get Cousins at a discount. He’s made about $200M already and is not a natural fullback.
March 4th, 2024 at 11:33 am
Cheap Bucs are gionna have to pay Baker at least 30 mil per year.
March 4th, 2024 at 11:36 am
It depends on the $$-Baker is not a 35 a year guy.
March 4th, 2024 at 11:37 am
Baker doesn’t need to give any discounts.
He should sign a deal for @ $30M per season. If he wants more let him test free agency.
No need to overpay an average QB.
March 4th, 2024 at 11:38 am
If he trys too be too picky we could always go after russell wilson 😉
March 4th, 2024 at 11:40 am
I’m sure Jason Licht is gonna make the right decision with Mayfield and not over pay for him. Don’t need to be another team over paying and looking like a fool one year after the fact.
March 4th, 2024 at 11:40 am
Evans doesn’t want to play with Cousins. He’s not an upgrade over Baker either.
March 4th, 2024 at 11:47 am
Just tag him and see if he is even worth another year without canales
March 4th, 2024 at 11:48 am
If he shows out this year give him a big time contract if not send him on his way
March 4th, 2024 at 11:52 am
A modest running game, a better center, an effective 4 man pass rush, Bucs can beat anyone
March 4th, 2024 at 12:01 pm
makes too much sense bonzai
March 4th, 2024 at 12:01 pm
Offer him the same deal as Evans if he refuses let him try free agency and tell him the deal is on the table until march the 18th then bye bye. I have a strong feeling no team will offer him that much. Then if he falters your not stuck with him for a long contract.
March 4th, 2024 at 12:01 pm
What great news today on Evans!!
LOL on Beckles take!!
March 4th, 2024 at 12:05 pm
No wonder Licht was feeling so confident the other day. He already knew he had it in the bag
March 4th, 2024 at 12:06 pm
now that they signed mike why would the need bake. I mean mike makes any qb look all pro by the look of fans in here.
just crazy if thaey dump this much cash on mike and bake…but hey, it’s all about the short term I guess.
That being the case, they may just throw the bank at him.
enjoy toilet bowl and the misery coming when both bake and mike come in 30lbs over weight…mike pulls a hammy and bake blows a shoulder
March 4th, 2024 at 12:11 pm
All these ‘experts’ just say sh!t to get clicks. Orlavsky is now saying Caleb Williams should not be the #1 pick. And yes, he has been saying for well over a year that Caleb is a generational talent and for months the Bears ‘must draft him’.
They have to say something/anything to set themselves apart. In a weeks time when Baker has signed, no one will remember or care what she had to say. It’s a media game.
I don’t believe for one minute that Evans signed without knowing who the QB will be next year. The Bucs will sign Baker in the next 48 hours.
March 4th, 2024 at 12:16 pm
@Boss
Take your loss and move on, you were wrong and now you’re mad they signed a HOF receiver? Lmao your a loser bro
March 4th, 2024 at 12:17 pm
WAY MORE INTERESTING …
Evans and Mayfield were a “package deal”. Evans just signed a 2-year deal. If they are package, so …
1. Does Mayfield get a 2-year deal?
2. Does it make sense to just franchise Mayfield at $32M?
Bucs have all the negotiating power with Evans under contract.
March 4th, 2024 at 12:22 pm
SlyPirate Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 12:17 pm
2. Does it make sense to just franchise Mayfield at $32M?
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Not really. The Bucs have more flexibility if they work out a deal. If they tag him, the entire amount hits the 2024 cap.
March 4th, 2024 at 12:23 pm
If Beckles shares that same sentiment then Baker should be signing any minute for less than what’s being reported.
March 4th, 2024 at 12:24 pm
SlyPirate Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 12:17 pm
WAY MORE INTERESTING …
Evans and Mayfield were a “package deal”. Evans just signed a 2-year deal. If they are package, so …
1. Does Mayfield get a 2-year deal?
2. Does it make sense to just franchise Mayfield at $32M?
……
Franchise # is $36 and some change, which would hit the salary cap all at once. So NO and Mayfield is not going to sign for 2 years.
March 4th, 2024 at 12:26 pm
Boss Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 12:06 pm
now that they signed mike why would the need bake. I mean mike makes any qb look all pro by the look of fans in here.
I guess the real professionals think differently about it than the five Baker haters with four usernames a piece.
Forget this year since Any Qb would includes Trask why didn’t they just roll with him last year? oooops.
Might have something to do with no WR in the league every throwing the ball to himself and why the claim a WR makes ANY Qb look good is as dumb as dirt. of course Evans could get yardage with Jameis. so what? Jameis never looked good throwing all those picks so you just lost the point forever.
March 4th, 2024 at 12:30 pm
Just franchise his a$$ for the next year. Prove it again then you can get 40mil a year….
March 4th, 2024 at 12:32 pm
BREAKING!!!
(this one for Tony Marks)
Bears sign Baker and trade 1st pick in draft for ME.
Licht makes numerous trade backs by telling QB needy teams that another QB needy team is trying to jump them.
Bucs end up with 9 day 1 & 2 picks at following positions:
Edge rusher, WR, C, CB, S, LB, G, RB & TE.
Trask takes Bucs all the way to SB, beat Bills 48-0
**wake up from dream**
Seriously tho, waiting to see what happens before tag deadline
^^mtn^^
Since ’76
March 4th, 2024 at 12:33 pm
@ Critmark
I was pretty underwhelmed by Caleb Williams this past season at USC. He was surrounded with tons of talent and what did USC accomplish with him at QB?
His best games were against San Jose State and Nevada and they barely beat a mediocre Colorado team and USC lost to a pretty lackluster UCLA team.
Every ranked opponent USC played against they lost to (Notre Dam, Utah, Washington, Oregon) with the exception of Louisville who was ranked #16.
Then after the loss to Utah he is seen crying in his mother’s arms like a little baby which to me shows mental and emotional weakness. Not exactly traits I want in my franchise QB.
Time will tell but I believe Caleb Williams is highly over-rated – Buyer beware.
March 4th, 2024 at 12:38 pm
Give Baker Mayfield a 3 year $90 million dollar fully guaranteed contract or let him walk. We can do better with Kyle Trask
March 4th, 2024 at 12:41 pm
Marine Buc Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 12:33 pm
Time will tell but I believe Caleb Williams is highly over-rated – Buyer beware.
…………….
He just might be the next JeMarcus Russell….I thought he had what it takes until this year, he was terrible under pressure.
March 4th, 2024 at 12:44 pm
Oh, one more thing from dream (for Tony Marks):
The $ they saved on Bake was used to sign Edge Burns & QB Brissett (to back up Trask) 😉
^^mtn^^
Since ’76
March 4th, 2024 at 12:44 pm
I thought ME might move on, but I am glad the Glazers paid the man. He deserves every penny! Maybe, they are turning a corner here and want to have a perrenial contender. Actions always speak louder than words. I would expect BM to sign now after this, or maybe JL has a backup plan here? I think BM needs to stay. Hopefully, he is mature enough now to see he is somewhere where he is appreciated and needs to also think about the long term plan for himself post playing career.
March 4th, 2024 at 12:46 pm
Baker’s deal to be announced: 4 years, $175 million. $120 guaranteed.
That’s a great deal for both as the QB market Will be reset when Dak gets extended to $55-$60/year. Discount for a pro bowl/playoff winning QB.
March 4th, 2024 at 12:46 pm
Franchise tag for a QB is now 38 mil since the cap increase. Thats totally ridiculous there are only about 7 or 8 worth that in the nfl. The NFL should just eliminate the salary cap like the other sports its just a joke. Let the teams sign who ever the want and see what happens let the best coached team win. Only let teams carry 43 vets on the team and fill the other 10 spots with rookies. Expand the draft to 10 rounds and the nfl combine accept more players.
March 4th, 2024 at 12:49 pm
“We can do better with Trask” – BWAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!
Trask will be trade bait for a 7th rounder or QB3 somewhere.
March 4th, 2024 at 12:50 pm
^^mtn^^ Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 12:32 pm
BREAKING!!!
(this one for Tony Marks)
Bears sign Baker and trade 1st pick in draft for ME
Trask takes Bucs all the way to SB, beat Bills 48-0
**wake up from dream**
all that tells me is what I already knew about your thinking. Doesn’t sound that different than posts while you were awake.
March 4th, 2024 at 12:53 pm
LOL, nice comeback, got a kick out of it.
Always enjoy some good natured ribbing.
^^mtn^^
Since ’76
March 4th, 2024 at 12:55 pm
Marine Buc Says:
“Baker doesn’t need to give any discounts.
He should sign a deal for @ $30M per season. If he wants more let him test free agency.”
Let’s play the Bake projection game. Since we all think we are GMs better than Licht-house. Total Years, Total Contract Value, Total Guaranteed, Guaranteed at Sign. Void Years. I think $30M annual average is a little low. $30M cap hit each year for next two years sounds about right.
My amateur GM projection like my mock drafts:
4 years $150M Total (2024 – 2027)
$70M Guaranteed
$30M Guaranteed at sign
2 Void Years spread the cap hit $7.5M in 2028 and $7.5M in 2029.
Cap hit for 2024 $15M
In 4 years from in 2028, those 7.5M voided dollars will be even less fraction of the salary cap. And if Baker does well the next two years, they may update and negotiate in 2026 or 2027 to help with the cap again and maybe add more years.
March 4th, 2024 at 12:57 pm
Marine Buc Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 11:37 am
Baker doesn’t need to give any discounts.
No need to overpay an average QB.
what happened brah? Yesterday you were on the Evans won’t sign because he said he only wants to play with an elite Qb and Baker could not possibly meet Evan’s requirement.
Today you are lets not over pay for Baker.
Did Evans ummm make you look like a fool in something he did today?
Wonder what that could be. 🙂
March 4th, 2024 at 12:58 pm
He has no trade market. The GM said on Ira Kaufman’s pod he’s received no calls about Trask.
March 4th, 2024 at 1:03 pm
^^mtn^^ Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 12:53 pm
LOL, nice comeback, got a kick out of it.
Always enjoy some good natured ribbing.
what?? Theres intelligent life on this blog that merits a good comeback?
major props. dead serious. Its just football and I too love a good come back.
I’ll consider Traks for qb2…lol
March 4th, 2024 at 1:08 pm
Mike was paid Market value plus. Baker will get the same respect….
March 4th, 2024 at 1:09 pm
In Tampa his wife is poolside in February, March & April. In other cities (Vikings) she isn’t. There will be no snow tire shopping for the Mayfields. Calm down Bucs fans.
March 4th, 2024 at 1:11 pm
@ Tony
I’m happy we signed ME13. I stated several times that he would get @ $23-$25M. He ended up getting $26M. I was a little surprised it was only a two year deal but that is fine by me.
I hope we can get Baker signed at a reasonable rate.
Sorry to burst your little bubble – but Baker is not an “elite” NFL QB and that is what we have been debating.
Mike Evans signed with the Bucs because he finally realized the market was somewhat weak for his services – there is an article on PFT right now stating the exact same thing.
Calm down little guy.
March 4th, 2024 at 1:12 pm
Since 76 says: “where a below average player should be”
What part about last season makes you believe that baker is “below average” ???? There are only 32 starting QBs in the NFL and he PERFORMED better than 22 of them. Your math sucks! Lol. Haters gonna hate but I’ll tell you this…. ABOVE AVERAGE QBs don’t grow on trees and Mr. Mayfield certainly fits the bill as just that. ABOVE AVERAGE bud. Oh and by the way it was his first year here. Why people want to assume that he will regress instead of improve is kinda weird. Fans are just that tho…. fanatic… and usually wrong. Sign the man. Pay him. And let’s go get another NFC south title and try and make a run for the SB. We won a freaking playoff game last year when ppl were clamoring for a top draft pick and a tank year. Some wonderful fans we have here in Tampa. Go Bucs!
March 4th, 2024 at 1:18 pm
They should offer Baker NO more than $10 mil per year, and all-you-can-eat Subway card
March 4th, 2024 at 1:19 pm
Jim Rudolph Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 1:09 pm
In Tampa his wife is poolside in February, March & April. In other cities (Vikings) she isn’t.
Know what you mean but a reminder – she’s having a little bambino next month so pool sides will be gone for awhile. Wife had three and tons of friends wives the had kids . No woman I have known ever wants to change her OBgyn or pediatrician until many months after a birth. Every Husband I know gives great consideration to his wife when she’s carrying the bambino.
March 4th, 2024 at 1:20 pm
@ Ghost
That deal for Baker wouldn’t completely shock me but I hope the Bucs have the ability to bail after year two if things don’t go well.
I just don’t want to be locked into a 4 year expensive deal with a mediocre QB.
Several other teams have made that mistake and are now stuck in the NFL basement because of it.
March 4th, 2024 at 1:23 pm
I can no longer follow or support this idiotic regime.
yall deserve the pain that follows. Be back in 4 years when this sad experiment ends.
peace out!
March 4th, 2024 at 1:25 pm
I like nice big round #s. Betting Baker does too….
3 years – $100M – $50M Guaranteed – $25M up front bonus
March 4th, 2024 at 1:28 pm
Promises Promises BOSS….
We’ll gladly hold you to it though….
So the Bucs re-signing Evans is causing you to abandon ship??
GTFOOH loser!
March 4th, 2024 at 1:35 pm
@ Pick
That deal sounds more realistic to me.
Maybe throw a few incentives in there as well…
Be careful – with this prediction you might get attacked by the Insane Clown Posse @ JBF.
LOL!
March 4th, 2024 at 1:36 pm
@Marine Buc
🙂 I get it. Not man enough to admit your mistake so are going to try and pretend that 48 hours ago you weren’t claiming Evans wouldn’t want to sign with Baker because he wasn’t elite according to his agent. Too bad comments are not editable eh?. Don’t weep too much. Its not your first time being wrong. You should be used to it by now. You sure had a LOT of Practice and you know what everyone but Allen Iverson says about practice.
March 4th, 2024 at 1:42 pm
“Tony Marks Says:I’ll consider Traks for qb2…lol”
LOL, now we’re making progress there, paisan
^^mtn^^
Since ’76
March 4th, 2024 at 1:52 pm
Boss Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 1:23 pm
“I can no longer follow or support this idiotic regime.
yall deserve the pain that follows. Be back in 4 years when this sad experiment ends.”
and just like that we got hate cap relief. Licht is a genius!
March 4th, 2024 at 1:52 pm
Have no issue with Mayfield getting paid he’s has been on 4 teams in 6 years, so he really doesn’t have a home. Why should he be worried about a hometown discount when he has played on that many teams.
March 4th, 2024 at 1:57 pm
Why do so many Bucs fans seem to forget the over 20yrs of QB hell before Brady? So many people hoping Baker doesn’t re-sign so you can go back to watching garbage game after garbage game? Remember when you guys were HAPPY about Fitzpatrick in 2018 because for two weeks you got to watch decent QB play and now because you lucked into the GOAT for a few years your standards are unrealistically high.
A good franchise does not let a QB who took them to the post season and embarrassed the defending NFC champs just walk away, sure, he might regress but as the famous saying goes, a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Giving up on a winning QB to try your luck in the draft is what perennial losers do.
March 4th, 2024 at 2:01 pm
Since76 Says:
Your opinion shows your bias for not liking Baker.
Your opinion is wrong BTW.
March 4th, 2024 at 2:02 pm
What Ian B. said was clearly his opinion. He never claimed it was from some inside source. I don’t know if people just want to misrepresent someone so badly that they’ll just make stuff up or we’re in desperate need of media literacy tought in school. Too many can’t tell the difference between the opinion page and actual reporting.
In negotiations, they have things called breakthroughs. Sides can be far apart and in a fairly short amount of time still get done. People also feed reporters information that they think helps their side. Hoping that will put pressure on the other side. We should always keep these things in mind when consuming any reporting
March 4th, 2024 at 2:03 pm
@ Tony
Baker Mayfield is NOT an “elite” QB.
March 4th, 2024 at 2:09 pm
“Tony Marks Says:No woman I have known ever wants to change her OBgyn or pediatrician until many months after a birth”
When my wife’s groin-ocologist moved, we had to also. ;-(
Moved back to Tampa as soon as I could, 30 years later; Terre Haute sucks.
Seriously tho, hope there’s incentives in his contract.
^^mtn^^
Since ’76
March 4th, 2024 at 2:13 pm
Once again cretins fantasizing about Trashk want to “see what we have.”
Then apply for a job at One Buc Place and you’ll see what coaches, players and management have been seeing every day since Trashk was drafted. They already know they can’t win with him, he’s proven it by not even being able to shred Bowels’ lousy pass defense in practice. This BS about him not getting a fair shake is so asinine. People really think a coach who must win would make a decision to not give himself and the team their best chance to win?
Tards are alive and drool among us.
March 4th, 2024 at 2:18 pm
Marine Buc Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 2:03 pm
@ Tony
Baker Mayfield is NOT an “elite” QB.
……….
Got it, use guys are like a broken record over and over. We will see how much he gets paid and how far he can take them.
Dak Prescott is not an elite QB and will probably make 55 to 60 Million. So is Dak 2x better? Heck NO
March 4th, 2024 at 2:19 pm
So long stupidsoB.
March 4th, 2024 at 2:21 pm
That witch needed to make a splash so in typical Fake News muck raking fashion she lets go a cheap shot story title that reads like an iditment of Baker as some kind of mercenary sticking up the home team that gave him the chance. What a load of horse manure.
Giving the talking turs anti Baker trolls yet another chance to fling their worthless opinions out yet again the great anoyence of the general audience.
Not to worry Baker isn’t going anywhere. He has put himself in perfect position to succeed. Last year he literally built that new offense one play at a time and having exceeded the expectations of virtually everyone {except for Chris Spielman}is now getting all the cooperation and assistance of the team he wishes. He has his OC.He has ME back and more talent to come in the draft.
Baker was drafted #1 and was at the front of the line with all the new generation of NFL gunslingers. Baker experienced success and then a series of misfortunes and fell to last. Like a Hollywood hero he got one last chance and made the most of it. He exceeded the performance of two thirds of the NFL’s starting QBs this past year and in 2024 we will see him close the distance to t the very top echelons and he may very well hoist a Lombardy trophy and reclaim his position at the front of the line.
Remember most of the young guns are in the AFC. They will player eachother in their divisions and their conference and beat on each other and upset eachother.
Baker playing in the NFC only faces only a few big time QBs like Stafford and Purdy and Hurts and Goff. I like our chances in 2024.
March 4th, 2024 at 2:27 pm
If Baker resigns, he’s going to want us to draft some better O-linemen, especially at Center. Whatever else happens, we need to do that and give our QB a chance.
March 4th, 2024 at 2:30 pm
pmarcello Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 2:21 pm
Baker playing in the NFC only faces only a few big time QBs like Stafford and Purdy and Hurts and Goff. I like our chances in 2024.
…….
You had me until you said Purdy. Believe me Purdy is not even close to being elite. Take him out of the 49’ers and he is a bench QB. My hot sports opinion for today.
March 4th, 2024 at 2:31 pm
Marine Buc Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 2:03 pm
@ Tony
Baker Mayfield is NOT an “elite” QB.
which doesn’t touch your claim that Evans would not want to sign with baker based on what you claimed the agent must mean . HE DID and you lose . All you are doing now is spinning your wheels in your mud and sinking your ship faster.
HOld on though. Need to go buy some more popcorn
March 4th, 2024 at 2:31 pm
Can we dispense with the AC/DC loving thing. It was funny the first 250 times but its getting old now.
March 4th, 2024 at 2:33 pm
Agree with Mike. Upgrade the OL. No more matadors at OT, Goedonkey.
March 4th, 2024 at 2:33 pm
I’m not a fan of Baker, but I have no issues with this stance. He took a prove it deal last year, and now wants to cash in, no issues with that. Hopefully it’s with another team, because the chances he reverts back to being what he’s always been, a bust, is about 90%. But there is a chance he doesn’t – which is why you’d consider bringing him back for one year.
In any case I doubt the QB market is as hot as people seem to think, not for Baker, but I don’t feel strongly about it and could be proven wrong – it only takes one team to destroy the market, like how the Jags did giving $20m to a middling WR Christen Kirk and messing up the entire market for years.
March 4th, 2024 at 2:35 pm
Mike S, almost everyone wants us to sign a better left guard and/or center.
March 4th, 2024 at 2:36 pm
Of course Baker is not going anywhere. They will tag him if they need to. Mike is here and so so is the hand picked OC. But I am sure everything will be fine. Just another reporter with the usual sources and Crystal Ball readers.
March 4th, 2024 at 2:36 pm
@ BakerFan
So you agree with me?
Baker Mayfield is not an “elite” QB.
Right?
And I would pump the breaks on claiming Dak will get $60M in Dallas… Jerry Jones just came out and said it is possible that Dak will play out his original contract which was a 4 year $160M deal…
Again – I’m not saying Baker is a bad NFL QB. He is just a mediocre NFL QB.
If the Bucs re-sign Baker I just hope the Bucs don’t overpay him and have an exit strategy after the two year mark.
Elite QB salaries have gone up but a mediocre QB does not deserve the same as an “elite” QB.
Do you understand the words that are coming out of my fingers?
March 4th, 2024 at 2:38 pm
@ Tony
Baker Mayfield is a mediocre NFL QB.
Not “elite”.
March 4th, 2024 at 2:46 pm
The Saints will release Winston next week – sign him. He had a better QBR in 4 of his 5 seasons in Tampa than Baker had last year in his ‘career year’. Plus Winston would be much cheaper, allowing you to sign a new center or guard – plus a third WR or perhaps another TE. All of that and you get the better player.
Or, as I’ve said all along, trade for Justin Fields. He’s dirt cheap this season, still cheap next season, was the more consistent player down the stretch, and would give you a huge weapon running the ball at QB. Plus, again, that extra cap would let you improve the team – all while getting the better, more consistent, player.
Or, get another middling QB like Gardner Minshew. Him and Baker are basically the same guy, but Minshew is a lot cheaper – plus had the better QBR last season and the better winning percentage on a worse team.
In any case, there’s lots of options to replace a mediocre QB who will almost certainly decline in play coming off a career year. There’s no reason to get your panties in a bunch. Baker is very very replaceable if he prices himself out of town.
March 4th, 2024 at 2:48 pm
Forget Mayfield, need pics of Dianna Russini.
March 4th, 2024 at 2:53 pm
Marine Buc Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 2:38 pm
@ Tony
Baker Mayfield is a mediocre NFL QB.
thankfully today all we have to do is point at you and ROFL
because Mike Evans far ,ore an expert on Qbs proved you wrong
I salute you with an actual chuckle. Keep the laughs coming.
March 4th, 2024 at 2:55 pm
Sooo,
Mtn admits he dreams about Trask. Bet its a wet one!
Marine thinks Mayfield isnt elite. Mike Signing proves he is. I trust Mikes
Opinion a little more.
Boss is leaving us. I wonder how many poster names hes down to now?
Oh well, we’ll lose alot of the haters this week, when Mayfield signs that 5
Year contract for $200 mil. Good riddance to all of them. Idiots.
Huge Congrats to Mike, and Fantastic job Jason Licht.
Cant wait for the Mayfield signing. After that, its all just Gravy!
March 4th, 2024 at 2:59 pm
@ Tony
@ Tony
Baker Mayfield is a mediocre NFL QB.
Not “elite”.
March 4th, 2024 at 3:01 pm
Agree with Joe 100%. He’ll be signed before Friday is my bet.
Glad Mike got his money if for only 2 years. I’m surprised more guys in his position (nearing retirement and a virtual HOF lock) don’t try to get a Shohai Ohtani type of “creative” contract to set them up for AFTER retirement. Give him a 4 year deal at $15m/yr then sign him to a non-NFL contract for 5 mil per year as a goodwill embassador for Glazer, Inc. Send him and his family to England to give a pep talk to the soccer boys once a year. Goes into effect his first year of retirement ONLY if he retires as a Buc. Free family trip once a year, no cap hit and bank rolling in after the cleats are hung up. Lol. (Yes, I started drinking early today)
March 4th, 2024 at 3:05 pm
Capt.Tim…5 years is delusional.
March 4th, 2024 at 3:09 pm
It’s lying season in the NFL and Tony Mark’s took Mike Evans agent’s words at 100% face value lol. They also said that Mike was going to test FA and look what happened. He didn’t test FA. I think most people here agree Baker is an average NFL QB but you keep on trying to insist he’s an elite NFL QB. There’s probably only 5-6 QB’s that are elite and true difference makers that will have your team in SB contention year in and year out. There’s no shame in not being that guy. Most QB’s aren’t
March 4th, 2024 at 3:11 pm
So Mike, signed because he “knows” Mayfield will sign too?
Yeah, that’s it. The uprooting of his family and the 53 million had absolutely nothing to do with it.
Of course, if Joe was serious about discovering the reasons Mike decided to stay, he’d uncover his secret weapon, the seer of seers, prognosticator of prognosticators and ace gumshoe.
He’d ask Ian.
March 4th, 2024 at 3:12 pm
@Marine Buc
I saw something different with Caleb and USC. I thought the team was much worse than the previous year.
Statistically as a team:
They scored slightly more PPG in 2023 than Caleb’s 2022 Heisman year.
Passing YPA was up from 2022.
The Rushing game was WAY worse in 2023, down in YPA and almost 40 YPG less.
Their Time of Possession was down because the D sucked.
The D went from a poor 81st in 2022 allowing 29.2 PPG to an abysmal 117th allowing 34.4 PPG in 2023.
Caleb’s stats compared to his Heisman 2022:
Completion % was up 2%
YPA was up slightly
Rating was up 1.6 points
The point is, even with the much poorer roster, Caleb’s numbers were on par with his Heisman year, but the team sucked.
Glass half full or half empty I guess.
March 4th, 2024 at 3:14 pm
Baker is the meme coin of the nfl.. You buy it for hardly nothing does well, but instead of selling it you buy more and invest a 1/3 of your bank roll. Than the hype wears off the coin goes to all time lows and you wish you got out when you were ahead.
March 4th, 2024 at 3:15 pm
@ Dom
“There’s no shame in not being that guy. Most QB’s aren’t”
This is all I’ve been saying about Baker Mayfield and for some reason it has caused a total mental meltdown with a few of these guys…
I am seriously concerned for them.
March 4th, 2024 at 3:20 pm
Rod Munch Says:
“Hopefully it’s with another team, because the chances he reverts back to being what he’s always been, a bust, is about 90%”
Baker averages 4060 yard adjusted for games played when not injured or with the Panthers. Thats 4 years and he has taken 2 out of three teams he played with more than half a season to the playoffs ( all teams he played for a whole season) . That loser was the Panthers who had a worse season this year after he left .
ranked 9th in yardage 8th in TDs
All you do is lose. Don’t even bother coming back with your ranked 20th in scoring nonsense which you know I eat for lunch because it quite ignorantly includes scoring from other sources like field goals and running backs when Qbs score TDs and extra points usually through the air ( where he again is ranked 8)
Like I’ve proved already with your supporting Jameis, Glennon and now pushing Minshoooo 🙂 and even the return of too Old Brady you know NADA about NFL Qbs. Add that to your claim Rbs are not needed in the NFl and we can say its a general NFL deficiency.
Baker is no top five Qb but he certainly isn’t where you haters put him. Thats for sure and no less than Mike Evans just proved you wrong today. Suck it up –
all that needs to happen is Baker signs – and the entire organization are Baker fan bois.
March 4th, 2024 at 3:21 pm
@ CitiMark
I appreciate your insight because I only watched three USC games – Colorado, Washington and Oregon. He didn’t impress me in those games but he wasn’t “awful” either…
Who knows – there were plenty folks who were not impressed with Pat Mahomes when he came out or else he wouldn’t have been drafted with the 10th pick in that draft after Mitch Turbiski was taken #1.
March 4th, 2024 at 3:25 pm
@Marine
Completely agree.
Mayfield’s far from the worst NFL QB, but he is also far from the best.
Yet if you make that statement, some around here think you have committed a federal crime.
It’s as though they’re in head over heels in love with the guy, like you were libeling their wives by writing them as “average.”
March 4th, 2024 at 3:26 pm
Marine Buc Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 2:59 pm
@ Tony
@ Tony
Baker Mayfield is a mediocre NFL QB.
🙂 Poor kid is so stunned by Evans signing rebuttal that he is imitating an old motown vinyl scratched record.
March 4th, 2024 at 3:27 pm
@ Marine Buc
You are absolutely correct. I do think Caleb is the most talented QB in this class. That said, he is going to the Bears, so no confidence his career will reflect that.
March 4th, 2024 at 3:30 pm
Better not over pay
March 4th, 2024 at 3:31 pm
@ JA
LOL!
I know man it is kind of weird…
I think some of these dudes use Baker Mayfield flavored toothpaste or something.
March 4th, 2024 at 3:35 pm
@ Critmark
Yep – it’s called the Chicago QB curse.
Jim McMahon said in the mid-80’s – “Chicago is where QBs go to die”.
So far he has been 100% correct…
Let’s not forget the last time Chicago made the Super Bowl – their QB – Rex Grossman.
March 4th, 2024 at 3:42 pm
I’d guess that the perception of Baker’s value varies wildly. I’m interested in seeing what number the Bucs are willing to go to. I hope they don’t have to go all the way to 40 per year, but then you have Daniel Jones as a comp, and Baker probably comes out ahead on that.
March 4th, 2024 at 3:44 pm
Dom Says:
I think most people here agree Baker is an average NFL QB but you keep on trying to insist he’s an elite NFL QB. There’s probably only 5-6 QB’s that are elite
Learn to read Dom. I do not rate baker top 6 so everything your just wrote was straw and like most of you haters posts a complete miss. The issue of what elite meant bv Evan’s agent was always up to interpretation. I took in all of its context as a solid Qb. Your hater nitwit crowd claimed it was an indication that Evans didn’t want to play with Baker.
That wasn’t agent spin. That was YOUR groups spin. So like it or not Your side is going to eat crow for their claims because Evans did sign with baker being the QB1 target. .
and no we don’t all agree and neither does the coach or the players locker room or the front office that Baker is mediocre. Your delusions don’t make for facts. Neither does the fact that haters have four usernames a piece make your take the consensus.
March 4th, 2024 at 3:45 pm
now people calling for us to sign winston back…RFLMAO
now I know why they call the bucs fans Tampons lol
March 4th, 2024 at 3:47 pm
Oh well, we’ll lose alot of the haters this week, when Mayfield signs that 5
Year contract for $200 mil. Good riddance to all of them. Idiots
No way he gets a Contract that extends past the length of Bowles remaining deal.
BTW you need space in between ‘a’ and ‘lot’. Not as much as between your ears but at least enough to show separation.
March 4th, 2024 at 3:58 pm
@ D Cone
“when Mayfield signs that 5 Year contract for $200 mil.”
This means absolutely nothing.
How much of the $200M is guaranteed?
That is all that really matters.
March 4th, 2024 at 4:01 pm
This time of year the National sports media throws out garbage constantly (kind of like most the MSM). They simply hope something sticks so they can say “SEE!!! I KNOW!” Whe they are wrong, no one calls them on it because there is so much noise and everyone is doing it. Lost in the shuffle. No one actually does real investigative reporting with credible sources and facts triple checked.
Unfortunately, most the regular media is the same, especially with politics.
Baker will sign this week.
Winfield will get a long term deal (cheaper to do it than the franchise tag).
Kicker will sign within 2 weeks.
LVD will get a 2 year deal as well.
Wirfs will get a long term deal at some point to spread the money over the years.
See? I can throw stuff out there with no source or contacts and sound just as credible.
March 4th, 2024 at 4:01 pm
JA Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 3:25 pm
“Mayfield’s far from the worst NFL QB, but he is also far from the best.
Yet if you make that statement, some around here think you have committed a federal crime.”
For the regular pro Baker posters thats just a lie. I’ve seen nobody claim baker is the best QB in the league. However if you start running with what an agent referred to as elite and make claims that evans doesn’t want to play with Baker then you take some egg to the face today.
so i guess to divert that egg the tactic is to claim Baker fans say he is the best Qn in the league as a strawman
Sorry . did not work. As one of the most vocal supporters of Baker I rate baker 10-12. Once he gets to the playoffs I’d rate him top ten. If we are taking about what some of you haters think the standard is – someone who elevates an entire team to super bowl level by themselves there are only two elites – Mahomes and Rodgers.
Good luck waiting for a third before you try and compete.
March 4th, 2024 at 4:05 pm
𝗕𝗥𝗘𝗔𝗞𝗜𝗡𝗚 𝗥𝗨𝗠𝗢𝗥:
The #Buccaneers are reportedly in the process of finalizing a deal with QB Baker Mayfield to return to Tampa Bay.
The guarantees are currently being negotiated but the structure is in place.
The Buccaneers were very pleased with Mayfields play and are locking him up before free agency starts next week.
March 4th, 2024 at 4:09 pm
Tony Marks…you may not say it, but you act like he’s the best QB in the league.
March 4th, 2024 at 4:12 pm
If the Bucs do lock Bake up……it absolutely going to be hilarious this season seeing all of the Baker defenders trying to rationalize paying Bake top QB money when he’s stinking up the joint!
Now that! ……..will be entertaining!!!!! 🤣
March 4th, 2024 at 4:13 pm
The goal-post moving here makes my head spin.. we’ve gone from “trash” and “middling” to slamming a potential 200 million deal, splitting hairs.. “ how much is gauranteed”. The signing bonus, deferred salary, and gaurantees wil reflect a qb who is waaaay above average. Not top 5, but certainly elite. I shall, like last year , pour money on Bucs to win division. Hope to get 4 to1, unlike last years 9 to 1.
March 4th, 2024 at 4:15 pm
Buc1987 Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 4:09 pm
Tony Marks…you may not say it, but you act like he’s the best QB in the league.
Nonsensical . We have never met . All you read are my words and I’ve said REPEATEDLY baker is not top five in the league. Just take the L instead of making yourself sound sillier.
March 4th, 2024 at 4:19 pm
TheBucsAnthem Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 4:12 pm
“If the Bucs do lock Bake up……it absolutely going to be hilarious this season seeing all of the Baker defenders trying to rationalize paying Bake top QB money”
NOt to worry we are already laughing at you that you think 30-35 million is top QB money… 🙂
March 4th, 2024 at 4:21 pm
Tony your every waking minute is spent defending Mayfield on these pages.
Same crap tomorrow, rinse and repeat.
This is common knowledge.
March 4th, 2024 at 4:24 pm
Buc1987 Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 4:21 pm
Tony your every waking minute is spent defending Mayfield on these pages.
Same crap tomorrow, rinse and repeat.
oh the irony
March 4th, 2024 at 4:27 pm
@ Tony
We are here for you Tony.
Please put down the knife.
It’s all going to be OK.
Baker Mayfield is a mediocre NFL QB – and there is nothing wrong with that.
March 4th, 2024 at 4:29 pm
Once he signs and the dust settles…I don’t know what you’re going to talk about…
March 4th, 2024 at 4:33 pm
The Mayfield issue is over. Mike signing assures us that Mayfield will be back.
Coen as our OC assures us that Woolford will be our 2nd string QB.
Trask will be 3rd string. Thus ends the Trask delusions
Now we focus on replacing our 34th ranked Center( among all centers who played100 snaps in 2024), and our 79th ranked Guard(Stennie).
That is horrible rankings. They gotta be replaced.
Hope Hainsey goes back to guard. Sucks at Center, had real potential at Guard.
March 4th, 2024 at 4:35 pm
Marine Buc Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 4:27 pm
@ Tony
We are here for you Tony.
Please put down the knife.
nah….. I am using it to spread out the icing on the celebration cake for when baker signs. Then the party begins and goes all the way up to your Birthday the first of next month – lol
March 4th, 2024 at 4:42 pm
Russell Wilson released by Denver. Go get him Licht. Huge upgrade, proven winner.
March 4th, 2024 at 4:44 pm
Agree with Joe and others, Mayfield’s re-signing is imminent. So much to celebrate.
March 4th, 2024 at 4:53 pm
@ Tony
“nah….. I am using it to spread out the icing on the celebration cake for when baker signs. Then the party begins and goes all the way up to your Birthday the first of next month – lol”
LOL!
There you go buddy. Much better response.
Loosen up a little my man.
This is supposed to be fun…
March 4th, 2024 at 4:55 pm
Capt.Tim Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 4:33 pm
The Mayfield issue is over. Mike signing assures us that Mayfield will be back.
To be completely honest for the sake of these blog commenters only – I was warming up greatly for Baker at Atlanta. Would suck for my Buc fandom but oooh it would be soo much fun besides that in these comments.
March 4th, 2024 at 4:55 pm
@ T McGee.
What?
Wow. that is some big news.
No wonder Baker wants to get a deal done ASAP…
The QB market supply just went up.
March 4th, 2024 at 4:56 pm
Russell Wilson is a massive downgrade from Baker Mayfield. Age, arm strength, and accuracy are all deficits at this point.
Baker is a young, fiery, pro bowl, playoff winning QB. They don’t grow on trees.
Bakey is WAYYYYY better than Cousins, Wilson, or Tua. Sign him and open up the championship window in Tampa!
March 4th, 2024 at 4:57 pm
Screw Mayfield let’s call up Buffalo and give them this years first round pick, next years first round pick for Josh Allen. Allen wouldn’t have to face Mahomes,Jackson or Burrow in the playoffs anymore, he would be the best quarterback in the nfc hands down. Tampa has a better shot at winning another Super Bowl than the bills, being their history. Heck throw in another pick or player from our roster, make a boss move Licht
March 4th, 2024 at 4:59 pm
Marine Buc Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 4:53 pm
This is supposed to be fun…
LOL …He actually thinks this day hasn’t been totally fun for me with Evans making a fool of the haters.
You just can’t beat the comedy of haters. bless their poor little craniums.
March 4th, 2024 at 4:59 pm
Wow – the Broncos will still have to pay Wilson $76 Million dollars the next two years…
This is exactly why I don’t want to overpay Baker Mayfield.
March 4th, 2024 at 5:01 pm
I am just going to ask you naysayers this and see how dumb your responses will be…. Do you think Mayfield would play better if the Bucs were NOT DEAD LAST IN RUSHING??? You think not fearing the run could effect how much time a QB has to throw it and receivers like ME can run his route….. Just wondering.
Now Brady threw 733 times for 4600 yds. his last year went 8-9, got blown out in first game of playoffs and you TARDS think that is great.
Mayfield threw 566 times for 4000 yds, went 9-8, dead last in Rushing, wins 1sr round and he is a bum.
Point is even Brady need some semblance of a Rushing game to keep defenses honest. If they don’t fix this it will be just an average team.
March 4th, 2024 at 5:02 pm
Conner50 Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 4:57 pm
Screw Mayfield let’s call up Buffalo and give them this years first round pick, next years first round pick for Josh Allen.
And what has Josh Allen won? I am waiting.
March 4th, 2024 at 5:02 pm
Mikes a done deal. So is mayfield. Just waiting to announce!
Excellent work Jason Licht.
Now we have to Address our 29th ranked Pass dfense. Horrible Pass rush. 34th ranked Center, and 79Th ranked Guard(Arron Stennie)
That will be the difference between a playoff run, and a season of struggles.
Lets get a pass rush and Run Game. Imagine how far Baker can take us then!
March 4th, 2024 at 5:03 pm
Conner50 Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 4:57 pm
Screw Mayfield let’s call up Buffalo and give them this years first round pick, next years first round pick for Josh Allen
There ya go – way to show your thinking chops. I am sure the Bills would go for trading allen for the #26 pick this year and next
sooner or later they all show what t haters are made of upstairs.
March 4th, 2024 at 5:05 pm
Ohhh me wiiiiilson
March 4th, 2024 at 5:05 pm
T. McGee Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 4:42 pm
Russell Wilson released by Denver. Go get him Licht. Huge upgrade, proven winner
……..
2 great coaches have given up on the guy, Pete Carroll and Sean Peyton BUT T. McGee thinks he knows better.
March 4th, 2024 at 5:09 pm
Marine Buc Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 4:59 pm
Wow – the Broncos will still have to pay Wilson $76 Million dollars the next two years…
Forget that . this is your chance MB. get on the phone and make Licht bite on Wilson
get er done . Don’t worry about the score when Baker last met Wilson
I’m willing to take the shot so as to make these comments fun for the next year. and I am only 30% joking.
March 4th, 2024 at 5:15 pm
@Tony Marks
I posted this yesterday
“I think the comments made by Mikes agent elimates teams like the Commanders, Panthers, Titans, and Pats. Mike isn’t going to be strictly a bag chaser. He wants his money obviously but he also values winning and keeping his 1K season streak going. I cant blame him either. For his first six seasons all he knew was losing. He got a taste of winning for 4 years now and doesn’t want to go back to losing. He’s going to end up signing with a team like the Chiefs, Texans, Ravens, Lions, or Bucs”
I never thought that the comments that Mike’s agent made ruled the Bucs out. I still thought they were the favorite to get him. I also didn’t say you thought he was top 5 or 6. I said in my opinion that I think there are only 5-6 true elite QB’s in the NFL.l and he’s not one of them. You get too damn emotional about your guy that you can’t read what I actually said. You were the one claiming he was elite the other day because you thought he was top 12 in the league last year and that if your “top 12 in anything your elite”. By NFL standards he isn’t elite. I would love nothing more than for Baker to be elite. He’s the QB of my team. I’m just not going to lie about it. The facts about his career so far say he’s an average QB
March 4th, 2024 at 5:15 pm
@ Tony
Ooga-chaka ooga-ooga
Ooga-chaka ooga-ooga
Ooga-chaka ooga-ooga
Ooga-chaka ooga-ooga
… I can’t stop this feeling
Deep inside of me
Baker, you just don’t realize
What you do to me.
… When Baker holds me
In his arms so tight
He lets me know
Everything’s all right
And – I – eeeee- I – eeeee- I
… I’m hooked on a feeling
I’m high on believing
That Baker is EEEE-Lite…
Sing it with me Tony!!!!!
March 4th, 2024 at 5:16 pm
@Bakerfan
Josh Allen has been to the playoffs every year since being in the league I’m pretty sure. What has Baker won? I know it’s hard for you but think about it, Allen with Evans,Godwin, and White. They would own the nfc and we would actually have a legitimate franchise quarterback. Josh Allen is by far way better than baker and any qb’s not named Brady to play for Tampa.
March 4th, 2024 at 5:20 pm
@Tony Marks
You’re definitely not the person to be calling someone out about thinking. Your so far up bakers bum you don’t know your left hand from your right. Making a call to buffalo would be worth it even if they declined. It’s what GM’s are suppose to do, you know to keep ahead of the game somewhat but I know you don’t get it. Just like you don’t get Mayfield is not that great
March 4th, 2024 at 5:22 pm
Mr*
March 4th, 2024 at 5:27 pm
Dom Says:
@Tony Marks
You get too damn emotional about your guy that you can’t read what I actually said.
Let me give you a little tip kid. If you want to berate someone on being emotional don’t do it in a sentence where you are clearly emotional. destroys your whole narrative. My response in this thread were to what you wrote in this thread. trying to go back pedal to another day and conversation is a fail. In THIS thread you made insinuations and they got blown up. live with it.
Btw I am as cool as a cucumber . I like blowing up nonsense. Your read as usual is off
March 4th, 2024 at 5:28 pm
“Marine Buc Says:@ JA
LOL!
I know man it is kind of weird…
I think some of these dudes use Baker Mayfield flavored toothpaste or something”
That would be the end of the season jock strap flavor (heard Bake is superstitious, didn’t wash it all season), right?
Hoping for a hometown discount regardless of what ‘DR stinky panties’ says. Don’t trust her sources anyway.
Seriously tho, hope to hear something soon
^^mtn^^
Since ’76
March 4th, 2024 at 5:31 pm
Conner50 Says:
“Josh Allen is by far way better than baker and any qb’s not named Brady to play for Tampa.”
Completely agree. Josh Allen played well enough to be in a Super Bowl or two already. He just ran up against a top 5 all-time QB in Mahomes. The Buffalo team Allen joined and KC team Mahomes joined were obviously not the freak show the Cleveland Browns were and still are. Allen has shown he deserves every bit of the 6 year $258M with $150M guaranteed. Maybe Baker deserves half of that – 3 years $75M guaranteed for $105M. And 4th year option for $45M if Baker deserves it.
The difference between Elite and middle tier (top 12 – top 18) is not 25% of Elite money. At least pay them half.
March 4th, 2024 at 5:33 pm
Because this is not his hometown Duh Duh.
March 4th, 2024 at 5:34 pm
“Marine Buc Says: @ Tony (hooked on a feeling)”
ROFLMBO!!!
^^mtn^^
Sice’76
March 4th, 2024 at 5:37 pm
Conner50 Says:
. Your so far up bakers bum you don’t know your left hand from your right
There ya go. I am sure you think you sound ten times more intelligent now. Don’t let anyone tell you different.
March 4th, 2024 at 5:39 pm
Capt.Tim Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 5:02 pm
Now we have to Address … 34th ranked Center, and 79Th ranked Guard(Arron Stennie)
If you are using PFF stats to define some guys, then you also have to use them for others.
For instance, Baker Mayfield was 19th rated quarterback out of 38 ratings last year.
That is the definition of mediocrity from your own darn source.
Maybe you should not be willing to accept mediocrity from the most important position in football.
Cousins was 9th. He is a free agent too.
March 4th, 2024 at 5:41 pm
Marine Buc Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 5:15 pm
@ Tony
Ooga-chaka ooga-ooga
Ooga-chaka ooga-ooga
I’ve never been as thankful as I am to day that this isn’t audio chat.
I stopped watching the screedhing portions of American Idol years ago. I have no doubt you sound like Wliiam hyung
March 4th, 2024 at 5:41 pm
“TheBucsAnthem Says: Better not over pay”
Eeeeees nacho money esas!
^^mtn^^
Since ’76
March 4th, 2024 at 5:42 pm
GhostofBrady Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 5:31 pm
Conner50 Says:
“Josh Allen is by far way better than baker and any qb’s not named Brady to play for Tampa.”
…….
You guys are so full of crap I can smell you through my computer.
March 4th, 2024 at 5:44 pm
geno711 Says:
“Cousins was 9th. He is a free agent too.”
So you would pay Cousins coming off an Achilles tear, 1 playoff victory in 12 years and 36 years old a grand $90M for two years instead of Baker $75M for two years?
March 4th, 2024 at 5:45 pm
Baker is not a high priority signing!?? And should be last in line!?? The guy who was two games away from taking us to the super bowl! Ok got it…check…u people are hilarious…and if u think Mike signed without the confirmation that Baker is next u are nuts!
March 4th, 2024 at 5:48 pm
I agree.
Actually, if you look at PFF ratings that Capt. Tim likes to quote. Russell Wilson was 18th rated QB last year and Baker Mayfield was 19th rated QB last year.
In fact, if you take again PFF that Capt. Tim likes to quote, Russell Wilson has had a higher rating in every single year than Baker Mayfield.
So according to his logic, we should clearly be bagging Baker and looking at Russell.
March 4th, 2024 at 5:49 pm
LET BAKER WALK.
March 4th, 2024 at 5:50 pm
@ Tony
“no doubt you sound like Wliiam hyung”
LOL!
You are close – my actual stage name is Well Hung…
March 4th, 2024 at 5:52 pm
EVERYTIME I SEE THE HEADLINE I LAUGH …
Dude couldn’t get a job last year.
March 4th, 2024 at 5:53 pm
Conner50 Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 5:16 pm
@Bakerfan
…..
Your an idiot…. You guys just think you can wave a magic wand and put players and teams together and play the what if game… smh, again feeling dumber by the minute just reading your nonsense.
March 4th, 2024 at 5:54 pm
@ geno
“For instance, Baker Mayfield was 19th rated quarterback out of 38 ratings last year.
That is the definition of mediocrity from your own darn source.
Maybe you should not be willing to accept mediocrity from the most important position in football.”
That’s all I am trying to say.
And Tony is trying to dismember me like that dude at the end of the “Braveheart” movie.
March 4th, 2024 at 6:09 pm
Tony Marks Says:
Baker averages 4060 yard adjusted for games played when not injured or with the Panthers … ranked 9th in yardage 8th in TDs
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There were only 9 QBs in the NFL last year that started 17 games, and Baker was 9th in yardage – ie, last, and was 8th in TDs … out of 9… but more importantly he was 9th out of 9 when it comes to scoring.
You don’t help your case by quoting numbers like that — unless of course you completely ignore context, while also coming up with arbitrary qualifiers to filter out stats that hurt your cause.
Again, I don’t hate Baker – I’m just not a fan. I think he is, at best, a mediocre QB – and in a career year, he was a mediocre QB, which is backed up by the stats. But he did enough to earn another look and to see if he can improve, assuming you’re not going to pay him like a franchise QB.
March 4th, 2024 at 6:13 pm
Why should he? He played for a big discount last year. His OC isn’t there anymore. His favorite receiver is a FA who deserves to be paid. We call this reality.
March 4th, 2024 at 6:13 pm
GhostofBrady Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 5:44 pm
geno711 Says:
“Cousins was 9th. He is a free agent too.”
So you would pay Cousins coming off an Achilles tear, 1 playoff victory in 12 years and 36 years old a grand $90M for two years instead of Baker $75M for two years?
———–
You just made the case against the Rams trading for Stafford. Cousins and him are very similar players. Baker meanwhile, is very similar to Gardner Minshew, or in Bakers best year, Derek Carr.
Although I’d much rather trade for Justin Fields, and pay him $6m this year and $20m next year, and use that extra money to sign a new center or guard, maybe both, and another WR or TE, plus keep David and Winfield. All of that for a 3rd round pick? Yes, please. Heck, maybe even a 2nd is on the table.
March 4th, 2024 at 6:16 pm
Hey, it was an equivalency comment. If Capt. Tim rates based upon PFF then he should certainly be considering Cousins unless he thinks Cousins career is over.
March 4th, 2024 at 6:18 pm
For me at this point, I hope he has a nice like in Minnesota.
March 4th, 2024 at 6:20 pm
So do we franchise Baker or AW?
March 4th, 2024 at 6:21 pm
Baker went 2 deep in the playoffs, with 2 of the worst ranked Oline in Football. With last place TE production. WITH LAST PLACE RUNNING GAME.
He was MVP at the ProBowl.
He won the accuracy test.
He was top 10 in Accuracy.
He was top12 in Accuracy over 20 yards.
He has the Record for Alltime NFL arm strength. Threw a pass 78 yards in the air.
He Took the worst fanchise in the NFL 2 deep in the Playoffs
He took a horrible Buc team 2 deep in the Playoffs.
He won Sports writers of America Rookie of the Year.
He won the Heisman.
Baby, if you dont think thats elite- you are simpleminded.
Baker is the 5th best Qb in the league, and hs gonna get paid that way.
Nuff said
March 4th, 2024 at 6:22 pm
2 of the worst ranked olinemen in the NFl*
March 4th, 2024 at 6:25 pm
geno711 Says:
Actually, if you look at PFF ratings that Capt. Tim likes to quote. Russell Wilson was 18th rated QB last year and Baker Mayfield was 19th rated QB last year.
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Having watched Wilson at the end of the last year — he looked pretty good. He was wayyyy too conservative, which would drive me insane, but in Payton’s offense, even Winston looked conservative, it’s just what Payton wants out of his QBs
But as far as passing games, Wilson looked better than Baker — on average. Wilson still has pinpoint accuracy, and a very good arm, and still is mobile. Baker, when he’s having a good day, is pretty accurate – and while I wouldn’t say he’s mobile, he’s able to move enough to avoid sacks, and Baker did a very good job when he was under pressure. While I didn’t see a ton of Wilson, when I did see him, and he was under pressure and forced to move, he was doing a really good job.
Also, as a qualifiers, I’m talking about Wilson at the end of the year. Early in the year, in that offense, he did not look at all, was slow on his reads, but from what I saw at the end of the year, he had sped up everything dramatically.
From what I saw of both, I’d take Wilson, mainly because he’d be much cheaper, and I’m not really sold on either, so I’ll go the cheap route.
Both are a good fit for this style of offense, so I don’t really see that being an issue.
March 4th, 2024 at 6:29 pm
@ mark
AW for sure.
$17M for an elite safety > $37M for a mediocre QB.
March 4th, 2024 at 6:30 pm
@ Rod
I agree.
Wilson played pretty well at times last season.
We picked Baker off of the scrap heap – maybe we could do it again…
March 4th, 2024 at 6:33 pm
March the 13th Russell Wilson will be released something to think about after all he did win a superbowl. Sean Payton is hard to work for old school coach which can be good or bad evidently bad for Wilson. It might not be a bad idea sign Wilson for vet minimum since he will still get 39 mil from the Broncos and use the Mayfield money to sign Brian Burns and of course Winfield with the rest of the money. Then use the draft for OL, Linebacker, DL and Tight End. Sounds like a plan!!!!!!!
March 4th, 2024 at 6:35 pm
Capt.Tim – If you’re going to list a bunch of previous years stats, then you should include how Baker was literally the worst QB in football from 2021 until the end of the 2022 season. Sort of a big thing to leave out.
He was also on his 4 team in a year last at this time and had to sign a $4m deal, less than most backups get, because he was considered a bust.
Now, with that said, give Baker credit. He bet on himself and he had a career year, by his standards, which meant he finished 18th in QBR and 20th in scoring, ie, middling numbers. But hey, you can win with that when you have the 7th best scoring defense and play in the weakest division in football.
The Bucs should still should have a good defense with Bowles here, and with that you can get by with a middling QB, assuming you don’t overpay.
March 4th, 2024 at 6:36 pm
StirmyInFl said:
And if Licht lets him walk and he goes to Atlanta and haunts the Bucs 2x a year …
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I would love to see Baker twice a year!! 4 sure interceptions for the defense!!
March 4th, 2024 at 6:37 pm
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Trask To The Future Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 5:49 pm
LET BAKER WALK
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March 4th, 2024 at 6:38 pm
“Allbuccedup Says:Sean Payton is …… old school coach”
You mean like Bounty Gate?
^^mtn^^
Since ’76
March 4th, 2024 at 6:41 pm
mtn yep!
March 4th, 2024 at 6:45 pm
Off topic, which needs to happen
Anybody think our Cbs could be really good next year?
I think that they may get rid of Dean. He doesnt like to play.
But Zion and Izien should both be much improved next year.
And I like the glimpses we got of Josh Hayes!
If we sign a Safety to go with Winfield Jr.,then our secondary could be special.
Bring back Jordan Whitehead or Mike Edwards.
A beautiful thing!
Forgive me for going off topic Joe. Only can stomach so much hate and stupidity!
March 4th, 2024 at 6:47 pm
Reading thru the comments and it’s amazing how many ignorant people post here…you don’t like Mayfield…find another team to root for…don’t need your ignorant ass commenting here…I don’t think most of you can spell football let alone have a cognitive thought about it. Mayfield by any measure had a great year…great year…..anyone her spouting otherwise is just an ignorant ass hell bent on hate…..here is some advice…get the f*ck out of here…you won’t be missed
March 4th, 2024 at 6:48 pm
Baker Hate Brigade out in full force. Most don’t have the slightest idea what they are talking about. This crew is so clueless the only way to get them wiser is for Baker to take a big deal with ATL. If Baker goes to ATL, he gets what Josh Allen, Pat MaHomes and so called elite QB’s get 1) a running game and 2) a offensive line that can run and pass block. Pretty sure that Licht doesn’t care what Rod Munch and the other duds on this site think about Mayfield.
March 4th, 2024 at 6:48 pm
Capt.Tim Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 6:21 pm
Baker went 2 deep in the playoffs, with 2 of the worst ranked Oline in Football. With last place TE production. WITH LAST PLACE RUNNING GAME.
He was MVP at the ProBowl.
He won the accuracy test.
He was top 10 in Accuracy.
He was top12 in Accuracy over 20 yards.
He has the Record for Alltime NFL arm strength. Threw a pass 78 yards in the air.
He Took the worst fanchise in the NFL 2 deep in the Playoffs
He took a horrible Buc team 2 deep in the Playoffs.
He won Sports writers of America Rookie of the Year.
He won the Heisman.
Baby, if you dont think thats elite- you are simpleminded.
Baker is the 5th best Qb in the league, and hs gonna get paid that way.
Nuff said
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This is your brain on drugs!! Pro bowl MVP? What did they do? Play kickball? LOL! I would’ve been embarrassed to list that. But these mayfield fans are desperate. Baker should volunteer to pay some of AWJs salary because if not for the goal line forced fumble Baker misses the playoffs and is just an afterthought
March 4th, 2024 at 6:51 pm
“Allbuccedup Says:mtn yep!”
Man, when I think about how ‘knock down drag out’ we played back in the day.
We never targeted anyone of course, but saw some NASTY injuries.
If they played as tough these days there’d be a TON more nasty injuries …..
…… they don’t make ’em like they used to 🙂
^^mtn^^
Since ’76
March 4th, 2024 at 6:53 pm
Capt.Tim Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 6:45 pm
Off topic, which needs to happen
Anybody think our Cbs could be really good next year?
I think that they may get rid of Dean. He doesnt like to play.
But Zion and Izien should both be much improved next year.
And I like the glimpses we got of Josh Hayes!
If we sign a Safety to go with Winfield Jr.,then our secondary could be special.
Bring back Jordan Whitehead or Mike Edwards.
A beautiful thing!
Forgive me for going off topic Joe. Only can stomach so much hate and stupidity!
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If we sign Russ for 1M we can afford to go out and get Whitehead. You don’t know him. He was here before Baker, and you, got here.
March 4th, 2024 at 6:58 pm
Althuc,rod mumch,the boss,marine buc….do you guys have any idea just how ignorant you sound…
March 4th, 2024 at 7:04 pm
It’s time for the baker haters to go in…it’s getting dark outside
March 4th, 2024 at 7:06 pm
According to the Baker haters Russ Wilson who hasn’t done anything of note in several seasons is better than Mayfield….hahahahahahahahaha
March 4th, 2024 at 7:09 pm
Russel Wilson and Kirk cousins are 7 years older than Mayfield…huge difference in age 28-35
March 4th, 2024 at 7:10 pm
@ Capt Tim
#1 – Bring back Jordan Whitehead
#2 – Bring back SMB
Sounds like a good plan to me.
March 4th, 2024 at 7:11 pm
Capt Tim has been on this site for a decade show the man some respect. I haven’t always agreed but he’s been right more than he’s wrong. Not sure I get all the hate being spewed by people who claim to be Bucs fans. Seems to me there are a bunch of posters with multiple accounts saying the same things.
March 4th, 2024 at 7:14 pm
“Capt.Tim Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 6:21 pm
Baker went 2 deep in the playoffs, with 2 of the worst ranked Oline in Football. With last place TE production. WITH LAST PLACE RUNNING GAME.
He was MVP at the ProBowl.
He won the accuracy test.
He was top 10 in Accuracy.
He was top12 in Accuracy over 20 yards.
He has the Record for Alltime NFL arm strength. Threw a pass 78 yards in the air.
He Took the worst fanchise in the NFL 2 deep in the Playoffs
He took a horrible Buc team 2 deep in the Playoffs.
He won Sports writers of America Rookie of the Year.
He won the Heisman.
Baby, if you dont think thats elite- you are simpleminded.
Baker is the 5th best Qb in the league, and hs gonna get paid that way.
Nuff said”
………………………………….
Well beSIDES that
March 4th, 2024 at 7:18 pm
BucBen61 Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 6:58 pm
Althuc,rod mumch,the boss,marine buc….do you guys have any idea just how ignorant you sound
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We sound ignorant because we want to sign a superbowl winning quarterback for 1M instead of signing a career loser for $20M?? Please explain!!
March 4th, 2024 at 7:28 pm
Altbuc…I rest my case
March 4th, 2024 at 7:32 pm
LMAO^^^
March 4th, 2024 at 7:34 pm
@ Bucben
I am fine with Baker Mayfield but only for the right price and limited guaranteed money.
He is a mediocre NFL QB.
I would rank him @ #14-18…
If the Bucs don’t have any other options than I’m fine with Baker on a limited deal.
March 4th, 2024 at 7:38 pm
I am going to say it over and over thank God the haters don’t make personal decisions. If you all did the bucs would have let M.E. walk and never even consider B.M. for another year. All year long all Baker did was prove his enemies and haters wrong. Looks like the egg is on lots of your faces. No he’s not the greatest out there but who the hell is right now? You guys would take us back to 5 and 12 who want’s that crap again. With the way you all would general manage the team. Here I go and THANK GOD YOU ALL DON’T GET TO MAKE THE DECISIONS………GO BUC BABY
March 4th, 2024 at 7:40 pm
Wow over 200 comments about a mediocre QB.
March 4th, 2024 at 7:56 pm
i’m hearing:
baker to denver…
russell wilson to the bucs
March 4th, 2024 at 7:58 pm
if you sign wilson…
you can re-stack the defense…
sign reddick, whitehead, etc
March 4th, 2024 at 8:02 pm
Sign Russ. Use the money you save to sign Mike Onwenu and D Henry.
Nah. Baker’s got spunk.
March 4th, 2024 at 8:10 pm
Say you are a member of the Kyle Trask Occult without saying you are part of the Kyle Trask Occult.
March 4th, 2024 at 8:13 pm
Joe…I read these comments everyday for the past 10 years now.
From what I can tell the Kyle Trask Cult you keep talking about is made up of about 4-5 posters.
Not that big of a cult.
March 4th, 2024 at 8:20 pm
Buc1987 Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 7:40 pm
Wow over 200 comments about a mediocre QB
Wow another ignorant comment from a mediocre poster
March 4th, 2024 at 8:29 pm
i’d be fine with either or….
baker or russ…
russ will just give us infinite cap room………sorta…
also baker is a gritty dude, and had no problem filling brady’s spot…
russ might want no part of trying to do that
March 4th, 2024 at 8:33 pm
@ adam
Wilson to the Bucs.
Wilson’s contract with Denver will pay Baker $76M minus anything he makes from playing for another team.
So – sign Wilson to a 2 year deal.
Year one – $5M + incentives. (guaranteed)
Year two – $40M (non-guaranteed)
March 4th, 2024 at 8:33 pm
joe:
now you’re trying to be a rebel rouser
🙂
March 4th, 2024 at 8:36 pm
marine:
i don’t understand what you’re typing there…
i hear denver is on the hook for his salary for 4 years…
and who ever he signs with can pay him pennies in a sense…
like 4 years 20 mil (5 mil per year)…
also denver’s cap hit is like 89 mil for wilson in either 2024 or 25…which is a league record…payton is crazy – his ego has taken control of him
March 4th, 2024 at 8:39 pm
also all is a moot point if russ doesn’t want to go to tampa…
he will choose his destination…
i’m guessing he wants to go back to the nfc…and the south is a good landing spot…
don’t sleep on the ny giants…he’s the type who would want that nyc spotlight
March 4th, 2024 at 8:46 pm
@Marine Buc
You are close – my actual stage name is Well Hung
Yeah but you are leaving out the fact that the only people who saw you
On stage was P-weer Herman and the guy that used to yell da plane da
Plane
See TV land for references
March 4th, 2024 at 8:50 pm
Bucben61 …triggered much?
March 4th, 2024 at 8:52 pm
Baker will sign for approximately 35 mil a year for 2 to 3 years. He will be betting on himself once again that after 2 to 3 years he can get 50 mil +
March 4th, 2024 at 8:53 pm
Russell Wilson is now available. Bucs don’t need to pay $40 mil for a career sub .500 QB.
March 4th, 2024 at 9:07 pm
What is Russell’s win % the last 5 seasons?
March 4th, 2024 at 9:09 pm
“Buc1987 Says:Joe…I read these comments everyday for the past 10 years now.
From what I can tell the Kyle Trask Cult you keep talking about is made up of about 4-5 posters.
Not that big of a cult”
Yes, most just want to see if the kid has anything when the real bullets fly
^^mtn^^
Since ’76
March 4th, 2024 at 9:13 pm
A little help …..anyone.
Been lurking off & on over the years but new to posting.
Is there a set of rules anywhere?
Seems I’ve been censored a few times for what amounts to no more than old school bathroom type humor for the most part, when I see six-ual stuff all day long.
Thanks in advance
^^mtn^^
Since ’76
March 4th, 2024 at 9:17 pm
Wilson & Bake are pretty darn close performance wise.
One is older, one has more moxie, but pretty even & average otherwise
^^mtn^^
since ’76
March 4th, 2024 at 9:51 pm
History says busts who suddenly have a career year, rarely build on that, they almost always revert back to what they were. However, it’s not 100%. That is why I’m fine with him coming back for another year, to see if he can actually maintain being a middling QB without falling back – or who knows, maybe even improve on his 18th finish in QBR and 20th finish in scoring.
Being average is not a bad thing at all – so long as you’re not paying him like a franchise QB.
March 4th, 2024 at 9:54 pm
Oh Munch you make it way too easy. You said Winston had a better qbr while a Buc than Baker in 2023. Winston’s time with the Bucs had an average rating of 87.4. Last year with the Bucs Baker had a QBR of 94.6. Thats almost 10% better. Substantially better as qbs go.As usual you are wrong. One thing you are right on is Baker had a couple of low years. But as usual you left out the truth. Baker was playing with a completely torn labrum AND a broken shoulder, yeah. As injuries go both are extremely painful for a qb but ol’ Baker kept on playing. If there was a grit and toughness award he would get it. You should do some fact checking before you start texting next time. Who pays you to come up with your stories?? You say Baker has always been a bust. No, he took an 0-16 team who had only won 3 or 4 games in the previous 3 years to 11-5. Bust?? To their first playoff in 100 years. You are out of your mind. Keep writing this stuff and I’ll keep correcting you. As some on here say, Baker will take the Bucs to a superbowl. He is a winner and always has been.
March 4th, 2024 at 9:55 pm
Russel Wilson is available. Let’s see what he can do with Mike Evans 👀
March 4th, 2024 at 10:00 pm
^^mtn^^ – Well the big difference between Wilson and Baker is the money, since Wilson should be available at a price that would still let you sign him and probably two additional starters (G/C and a LB, maybe even a S or WR as well) for what Baker costs.
So the question would be, is Baker better than Wilson plus multiple starters?
March 4th, 2024 at 10:06 pm
Couldn’t have said it better davyboy….course Baker haters hate stats….we got so lucky last off season when he became available for next to nothing
March 4th, 2024 at 10:08 pm
Most of these first round QBs are busts. Stroud and Love are the exceptions. How do you measure heart and toughness. I agree Caleb is fools gold. Pickens is a bust. Brady, Montana, and the current niners guy were all late rounders.Rehire Bakes and pick a small college star.
March 4th, 2024 at 10:10 pm
Baker is 7 years younger than Wilson…next you will tell me Aaron Rodgers is better long term than Mahomes….do you haters read what you tyoe
March 4th, 2024 at 10:15 pm
Davyboy – QBR and the old passer rating you’re quoting are not the same thing.
QBR takes into account things like down and distance, and doesn’t punish you as much for plays like throwing an INT on a hail mary to end a half, etc.
So, for example, it’s 3rd and 9, and you dump off the ball to your RB for 2 yards rather than trying to get the first down. In the old passer rating system, you get credit for the completion, and the old passer rating system way overvalued completion percentage (which is in why in large part why the new stat was created).
Also, in the old passer rating system, as stated above, throwing an INT on a hail mary was counted the same as if you have the ball with 2 minutes left and the game on the line and you throw an INT. QBR takes into account, to a limited agree, the game situation.
The biggest complaint I’ve seen against QBR is that it overvalues the run game, but we’re not talking about running QBs here so it doesn’t matter.
I’ll give you a real world example of why QBR is by far the better stat to use. Take the 2nd Saints game – Baker was absolutely terrible in that game, but got some garbage time stats late in the game. If you look at the old passer rating, you’d think he actually had a good game – he had a 91.6 passer rating, but anyone watching that game knows he stunk when it matter. Well, that same game, his QBR was 19.8, which is terrible, which matched his on-field performance.
March 4th, 2024 at 10:16 pm
Daveboy.
You have your stats mixed up. You are actually quoting passer rating on Baker Mayfield and Jameis Winston.
Your comments are saying instead the QBR stats on these players. The highest QBR ever in a season was Tom Brady in 2007 at 87 rate.
Aaron Rodgers has the highest passer rating ever in 2011 at 122.
For another statistical reference, Russell Wilson, who just was cut today, had a passer rating of 98 last season which was higher than Baker Mayfield’s passer rating of 94.6.
March 4th, 2024 at 10:18 pm
I think QBR is a garbage ESPN stat.
Passer rating has been more successful in aligning with the best quarterbacks in the league forever.
Whether Munch thinks QBR is better, it still is less successful at aligning with the best quarterback play in the NFL year in and year out.
March 4th, 2024 at 10:21 pm
Get Russell Wilson.
Let this overhyped bum walk.
March 4th, 2024 at 10:24 pm
“Rod Munch Says:^^mtn^^ – Well the big difference between Wilson and Baker is the money, since Wilson should be available at a price that would still let you sign him and probably two additional starters (G/C and a LB, maybe even a S or WR as well) for what Baker costs.
So the question would be, is Baker better than Wilson plus multiple starters?”
Exactly.
Assuming he’s interested.
Was interested when the Donkey’s traded for him and meant to follow him more closely, but didn’t have the time to catch many games.
The media up here is pretty tough on QBs, after all, it’s hard to follow the Elway & Manning legacies.
He seems like a bit of an odd duck anyway and as such, an easier target than the slew of QBs that have been thru Denver lately.
Have to say, he handled all the drama fairly well, other than the benching pay cut incident
^^mtn^^
since ’76
March 4th, 2024 at 10:25 pm
Also, $ & age difference, both big factors
^^mtn^^ Since ’76
March 4th, 2024 at 10:28 pm
ATLBUC Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 7:18 pm
“We sound ignorant because we want to sign a superbowl winning quarterback for 1M instead of signing a career loser for $20M?? Please explain!!”
Its actually pretty easy toto explain to the non-ignorant. Claiming Wilson is super bowl winning Qb so the bucs should sign him is like saying in the Nba that Westbrook is an all star because he was 7 years ago. Only with Wilson your logic is even WORSE because Wilson won a super bowl
TEN YEARS AGO
Go get eli manning or Foles then
Sheesh. this is PRECISELY why we call you haters ignorant. You can’t even process a TEN YEAR difference. This is a Qb that has sucked so bad for awhile now that his team is willing to release him and pay him $39 million and take on a 85 million dead cap hit just to be done with him.
Pleaaaaaaaaaase get Licht to sign him to a long term deal. It will be bad as Bucs fan but it just might be offset by laughing at you haters harder than I laugh at Cleveland. A least they signed Deshaun before he had a history of utter failure
March 4th, 2024 at 10:40 pm
BucnJim,
Thank you. That was very nice of you! Appreciated!
March 4th, 2024 at 10:54 pm
Tony Marks, that is the best case I have heard for Baker so far. Lol
March 4th, 2024 at 10:57 pm
beeej Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 9:07 pm
What is Russell’s win % the last 5 seasons?
According to the numbers I see
His record with Denver was 11-19
the year before in seattle it was 6-8
so he hasn’t seen a winning record in 3 years
before that was 11-4 and 12-5 so you can do the maths from there
Heres the thing. If you even want to imagine he will return to form at nearly 36 when games that matter are played again his last three years has proven the same thing on him haters say on baker – he has to have a precise setup and scheme.
if you cant replicate that scheme then you get 3 years losing wilson. He was especially awful in 2022 when I saw him get drubbed by Baker with Rams having mostly second stringers due to injuries. He looked like a rookie that didn’t belong. I take it he had a little better season this year so theres that.
March 4th, 2024 at 11:34 pm
Other than hearsay from Deryk Gilmore and Tom Mills, what “insider” is likely to said anything to Dianna Rossini?
It’s pre-free agency period, where agents, sports reporters & 24/7 sports news programs can be of great use for to one another to avoid the dead-period.
Baker Mayfield is an imminent signing, he’s likely just giving superstar, Buc legend, and Super Bowl winning, Mike Evans, his day to enjoy his new contract.
March 4th, 2024 at 11:44 pm
^^mtn^^ Says:
March 4th, 2024 at 10:24 pm
Well the big difference between Wilson and Baker is the money, since Wilson should be available at a price that would still let you sign him and probably two additional starters (G/C and a LB, maybe even a S or WR as well) for what Baker costs.
Well now 🙂 before we start crowning you and rod as the great Gm minds you both swear you are one question
When you take the money you would have signed Baker with and get these wonderful additional starters you claim a one year contract with wilson allegedly gives you (with your fellow comrade claims is 1 mill).
Wha happens at the end of the year? I mean according to you and dear rod you don’t save the money you get to spend it on other starters. Mommy and daddy going shopping for LBs and safeties and Wr. shucks throw in a CB while you are at it!
but um what happens if Dear ole wilson doesn’t pan out or even BALLS out and wants the Kaching!! you kinda just hope the money appears in the cap increases to cover for the bucs need to then spend on a Qb? Or you got this killer QB coming up in the draft that you are likely to get? or what the bucs just go on for years with no QB?
I mean these are the things a REAL GM mind has to contend with beyond the comment section wannabees.
March 5th, 2024 at 1:17 am
The same could be said for Baker flaming out after a season.
Lots to dissect, but think more in general terms since the guy was just cut.
Is 1mil an arbitrary number? Of course it is.
Wilson is a unique situation, but who said just sign him to 1 year?
By all indications, he’s not slowing down. Do something similar to ME, 3-4 years with the last year or 2 being dummy years.
It’s getting late now sweet pea, don’t want to keep you up past your bed time.
*Mommy says you have a BIG day tomorrow at the local library for tranny story time, told by men with beards all dressed up like clowns. Won’t that be fun for you. If you’re a good little boy, maybe you’ll even get to sit on their lap
^^mtnman^^
Since ’76
March 5th, 2024 at 1:19 am
@ Capt. Tim…… Going to use your own words in another recent thread…..
In case some of you havent realized it yet. Everything GMs, Coaches,and players say to the press is Bullspit. They have PR handlers, that tell them exactly what to say.
Those are your words, but yet you say ME is all about playing with Mayfield because he said he would only play with an elite QB. I guess some posters forget about what doors they open when they post stuff…..
March 5th, 2024 at 4:13 am
^^mtn^^ Says:
March 5th, 2024 at 1:17 am
says you have a BIG day tomorrow at the local library for tranny story time, told by men with beards all dressed up like clowns. Won’t that be fun for you”
I can tell by all that silliness that me asknig you a simple question GREATLY embarassed you thus the need for deflection
So I’ll press the advaantage by asking another simple question
SInce you are now claiming that you can sign 36 year old Wilson for up to four years for little and nothing exactly what is it that you and roddy boy think Wilson’s contract guarantees him to be paid more past 2024 ?
I mean theres so much silliness in your response I coudl go at but this one is good enough.
March 5th, 2024 at 6:24 am
WOW!!! Look at all the posts.
Joe must have hit a nerve.
March 5th, 2024 at 10:50 am
Maybe this was already said. Too many comments to read them all. Mike wasn’t signing unless he knows his QB is coming back.
March 5th, 2024 at 2:16 pm
Tony marks Says:”SInce you are now claiming that you can sign 36 year old Wilson for up to four years for little and nothing exactly what is it that you and roddy boy think Wilson’s contract guarantees him to be paid more past 2024 ?”
No, said a contract like Mike Evans.
The details haven’t come out yet but expect there could be a dummy year or 2 at the end of the 2 year contract so they can push out some of the cap hit.
Will see
^^mtnman^^
Since ’76
March 5th, 2024 at 7:18 pm
since when does reporters always tell the truth.always love to see their name in print.BAKER WILL WAIT UNTIL THE SCREAMING ENDS.