Kyle Trask Can Make The Throws
February 6th, 2022
QB Kyle Trask
The Bucs are now one of the biggest NFL puzzles Joe has seen in some time.
The Bucs looked still like a team ready to make another run in 2022 — but then the greatest of all time decided to throw in the towel… for good?
So the Bucs have a championship-proven core remaining with key free agents to keep somehow. Oh yeah, and then there is the quarterback position. Kyle Trask is the only one under contract for next season, a second-round pick who has yet to take a snap. Often, strong veteran teams implanted with a green-as-grass quarterback end up with terrible results.
(Joe absolutely has nothing against Trask. How can any Bucs fan? He hasn’t played in a real game since the 2021 Sugar Bowl. But Joe reads on this here site people waving off any concern about Trask’s inexperience because — wait for it — Tom Brady had no experience when he took over in New England for a hurt Drew Bledsoe. Really? So now Brady is the norm?)
If anyone fears that Trask may not have the arm to be an NFL quarterback, Todd McShay of BSPN says not to fear. The noted draft analyst was asked by the four-letter to go back over his 2021 draft notes on Trask to find anything that can help Bucs know what to expect if Trask is tagged as the new starter.
One element McShay liked that despite not having a cannon for an arm at Florida, that didn’t stop Trask for complete any pass a coach would want.
He can make all the throws.
Trask is accurate and processes well. His tape showed his ability to lead receivers into the catch, and despite middling arm strength, he was able to hit on vertical throws in college thanks to good trajectory and touch. Trask takes some chances — he had 15 interceptions over his two seasons as the Gators’ starter — but he also tied for the FBS lead in passing plays gaining at least 20 yards during his final year (70).
This is obviously a good thing. Trask seems to know his limitations and is able to compensate for them. That’s a smart man.
That last stat McShay offered seems a huge reason why Mr. No-Risk-It-No-Biscuit wanted him.
February 6th, 2022 at 10:03 am
Deshaun Watson or Trask !
GoBucs!
February 6th, 2022 at 10:04 am
Cannon arms aren’t everything.
Intelligence is kinda important too.
See JayMiss, NFL ready Winsnone.
February 6th, 2022 at 10:11 am
The Bucs objective with Trask is to make him earn the starting gig. Every team that has gone that route generally walks away with a quality starter. Every team that plugs in the young guy with no competition, generally ends up with a dud. I feel like JG is a good benchmark for Trask to beat out. Time will tell…
February 6th, 2022 at 10:15 am
Tom Brady’s pre-draft report:
–Poor build
–Skinny
–Lacks great physical stature and strength
–Lacks mobility and ability to avoid the rush
–Lacks a really strong arm
–Can’t drive the ball downfield
–Does not throw a really tight spiral
–System-type player who can get exposed if forced to ad lib
–Gets knocked down easily
February 6th, 2022 at 10:17 am
he was better than Burrow in 2019!!! why would so many say no? because he’s a Gator? he would be the first Qb taken in this years draft….
February 6th, 2022 at 10:18 am
LOL.
Deshaun Watson…
That sounds great.
Who is going to pay his $40.4 million dollar salary?
Plus – are you OK giving away our entire draft plus a first and second round pick in 2023?
February 6th, 2022 at 10:22 am
can’t handle the truth Joe! can’t put my post up?
February 6th, 2022 at 10:26 am
When bucs were deciding on who who draft i liked mariota’e athleticism but he couldn’t overcome his arm strength
February 6th, 2022 at 10:29 am
You guys have to do research his legal battle is resolving, no doubt the owner did this , got owners paying to lose etc . He’d be the cheapest of the 3 elites & would play the longest. Texans lowered the asking price as the power is in Deshauns camp .
However if not him , im 110% behind Trask & think he will do just fine in time !
GoBucs!
February 6th, 2022 at 10:29 am
Winston at one point had never taken an NFL snap yet Joe wouldn’t shut up about how great he was going to be and how the whole team would rally around a rookie. But with Trask we should not even think of it.
You’re comparing a No. 1 overall pick on a crap team to the current situation. Whaaattt? Joe never thought Jameis would dethrone Cam Newton, Matt Ryan or Drew Brees in his first season. –Joe
February 6th, 2022 at 10:31 am
Anyone but No tackling Teddy.
February 6th, 2022 at 10:35 am
The bucs drafted him for a reason. Round 2 is suppose to produce starters if not high impact players in year one. We were all on on brady and the bucs winning again yet we drafted Trask. Licht and Arians clearly saw something in him. Just don’t think they wanted him starting yet. I could see Jimmy g for a year to help keep the playoff streak alive. Then trask. However Licht and company have work to do with the cap.
February 6th, 2022 at 11:04 am
You’re comparing a No. 1 overall pick on a crap team to the current situation. Whaaattt? Joe never thought Jameis would dethrone Cam Newton, Matt Ryan or Drew Brees in his first season. –Joe
I call bull spit. Joe posted for like 100 straight days of how Winston was going to be the savior of the team. Even a few years into the Winston era Joe still had blinders on with Winston and all his interceptions. Joe just doesn’t like being told he was wrong. That’s why he runs this site and not in an NFL front office.
February 6th, 2022 at 11:05 am
Yeah true Jameis was a number one overall pick. You know how much Joe puts stock into draft position. He Jameis is 64 times the QB Kyle could be seeing how Kyle was only picked at #64.
February 6th, 2022 at 11:06 am
I have a feeling BUCS fans think they are entitled to top Qbs because Brady came here and won and now we are some QB heaven that teams are willing to give their franchise QB to the BUCS who just won a SB.
“Hello Licht, Here’s Watson,Rogers, or Wilson and win another SB and while we search for another QB”
Is not happening and fairy tale!!
February 6th, 2022 at 11:10 am
Department of Redundancy Department- this is like the third story using McShay’s comments…….. and several other redundant themes. Don’t waste my time.
[Speaking of redundancy, a guy that goes by the handle of “Anonymous.” When on this site did you read that stat about Trask’s long-ball accuracy prior to this McShay story? Joe brings this McShay information because it is both relevant and interesting. There are thousands of stories on this site you can that are not related to McShay. No one is forcing you to read a story you don’t want. — Joe]
February 6th, 2022 at 11:19 am
Bucs will re-sign BG and will sign a FA or trade low round pick for a third and finally sign a Rookie FA and those will be the 4 we roll in to camp with. If the team fails it will because the coaching did not adapt to not having TB12. Need a O that give the QB some easier throws and a D that needs to play more man or matchup zone rather than spot drop zone.
February 6th, 2022 at 11:20 am
One more year trask. Even if he’s not ready I would love to see progress in preseason, just don’t come out looking lost like Jordan love
February 6th, 2022 at 11:30 am
Here’s the thing our schedule is difficult this up coming season. Won’t be able to sign free agents back with cap available. Brady gone. Let Trask rip it. Let’s see what he’s got.
February 6th, 2022 at 11:39 am
But but but Brady. Yeah. There’s been one in 22 years but run with that . The dumbest take out there.
February 6th, 2022 at 11:42 am
Yes Play Kyle Trask 1) affordable 2) keep our draft picks
He has had a year to get acclimated meanwhile multiple qb’s will make their first start–Trey Lance is starting and last year Mac Jones and Lawrence and Justin fields and zach wilson all started Trask has had a year why waste money and draft picks on injury prone quarterbacks that have not even learned our system?
Lets roll with Trask!
February 6th, 2022 at 11:46 am
Trask took a team with half an O-line and almost no defense to the Sugar Bowl. To me that says that he can handle the NFL.
Spend the money to field a good team around him, one that can actually run for yardage when needed.
February 6th, 2022 at 12:14 pm
Dang Craig watching a few UF games I didn’t know the Gators had half an O line.
Not like they had a run game either.
This man kept Dan Mullen Employed a lot longer then he should’ve been.
February 6th, 2022 at 12:24 pm
Oxycodoms … ‘When Bucs were deciding on who who draft I liked mariota’s athleticism but he couldn’t overcome his arm strength’.
Not only is there a significant difference in size (and likely arm strength), but the two were used very much differently in college. Mariota was rarely asked to throw deep in the attack used by Chip Kelly & Mark Helfrich at Oregon. He ran & passed a lot though (and very effectively BTW); apparently well enough to win the Heisman in 2014.
Kyle Trask has different strengths as Joe nicely outlined in this article. Most importantly IMO is that he knows his limitations, and was very good at compensating for them in college. My biggest question at this point is ‘Will BA & BL recognize those limitations & tailor their expectations accordingly’? Or will they be ‘Damn the torpedoes; full speed ahead’ and in process sink Trask AND the Bucs? Only time will tell, but I really do hope that Trask gets a FAIR SHOT at the QB position.
February 6th, 2022 at 12:25 pm
Joe’s Johnny Football is available & cheap…..and we have his favorite target, Mike Evans…..
February 6th, 2022 at 12:35 pm
OK, I’m going to borrow a bit from an earlier post because it applies here as well.
Trask’s release needs work, though that’s not the worst part of his mechanics as his footwork was awful during the sample we saw during the video samples from camp. He’s had almost a year to clean up those issues.
The part we don’t know is his ability to process the field. That’s tricky, both scouts and we lowly amateur fans can be fooled by one-look throwing QBs. In college you can get away with that, in the pros the defenses are fast and coverages can be a chess problem for some QBs (particularly rookie QBs). I didn’t see much video of him having to work the field, looking for a secondary or tertiary target, that was a major problem when I looked at the tape for Zach Wilson. For the life of me, I didn’t understand why Wilson was so well-regarded; he looked OK but I never saw anything that screamed second overall pick. I want to see a QB working the field when his primary receiver is covered, preferably while the QB is under serious pressure. That’s when you get confidence that a QB might have what it takes to succeed in the NFL.
Pocket awareness is important for non-mobile QBs. Look at Jimmy G, this is perhaps the root of his problems. He simply doesn’t have the peripheral vision and doesn’t have the calm, mental clock in his brain to know when and where to step up as the pressure mounts after the snap. Think about it and watch Jimmy G, because that internal clock will fall apart in the biggest games if your emotions run away from you. Brady is ice, Jimmy G melts.
But footwork is his biggest issue. Until Trask cleans up that footwork he’s a danger for INTs whenever he fires off a deep “biscuit” pass. Footwork affects what you can put behind the ball and it affects your ability to set yourself for quick passes within the pocket.
February 6th, 2022 at 12:49 pm
What about Russel Wilson?
February 6th, 2022 at 12:51 pm
I don’t object to Gabbert
February 6th, 2022 at 12:57 pm
Trashk can make every throw to the opposing team. The way he stares down his receivers, that won’t fly in the NFL. Bucs be lucky to win 6 games if Trashk starts.
But at least the defense is stout enough to preventa four play scoring drive with 42 seconds left.
Oh, wait.
February 6th, 2022 at 1:02 pm
@ DefenseRules
I agree. Bring back Gabbert on the cheap and let Trask compete for the starting job.
To me this is the only scenario that makes sense unless you are playing Madden Football on the Xbox and have the salary cap feature turned off.
February 6th, 2022 at 1:24 pm
@MarineBuc
Semper Fi! I agree with your post and appreciate the humor.
February 6th, 2022 at 1:33 pm
Man, these never fail to provide a good laugh. Got Joe in here being his normal “everything I write is perfect for away” Joe pretending he didn’t love Winston so much he calls him “America’s QB” what use to be a great source of local team news is basically just the onion now. So sad.
February 6th, 2022 at 2:09 pm
Impossible to figure out what Bucs will do at QB until we know what turnover at other positions will be.
February 6th, 2022 at 2:27 pm
Pep Hamilton had Davis Mills playing meaningful snaps for an absolutely horrible Texans team last year. Trask spent a year in the lab with the best QB room the NFL has EVER seen. If the Bucs brass signed off on using a premium draft selection on a QB, instead of making the roster better to win another Super Bowl, this kid better be ready to play.
February 6th, 2022 at 2:50 pm
FACTS:
Jaemis “Interception Machine” Winston started his rookie season.
Joe Burrow started his rookie season.
Mac Jones started his rookie season.
Justin Herbert started his rookie season.
Brett Favre sat on the bench his rookie season.
Tom Brady sat on the bench his rookie season.
Drawing negative inferences from Kyle Trask sitting on the bench his rookie season is as ridiculous as drawing negative inferences from Trask being a second round pick.
February 6th, 2022 at 3:57 pm
I mean Gabbert or Trask should help us with draft position in 2023, so there’s that.
February 6th, 2022 at 4:13 pm
Lots more to it than throwing. No one better than Brady reading defenses and blitz packages. Has anyone ever witnessed a QB stopping a receiver going in motion so the offense would work right? Never. Track is a beginner. He has no clue what defense any team will come with. It’s a VERY scary proposition to have him in there. This ain’t the SEC.
February 6th, 2022 at 5:14 pm
PassingThru, good take on Trask. As far as him vision and field awareness, I suggest you go to YouTube and look up “QB School Kyle Trask”. Many of his college plays broken down, and you can see him going thru progressions and throws. He should be improved after a year of coaching, but who knows.
Trask’s arm strength is fine. Certainly no worse than many, including Jittery G.
If arm strength were all a QB needs, then a guy like Tim Boyle would be top of the list. Boyle’s got a cannon arm and throws some of the best passes you’ll ever see. The rest of his game? Troublesome. But man, what an arm. By the way, he’s available in free agency.
February 6th, 2022 at 5:17 pm
Trask has a weird corkscrew motion that needs to be cleaned up. I’m more concerned about his clumsy footwork. But both aspects remind me of Brad Johnson. And that’s about the ceiling I see with Trask.
February 6th, 2022 at 5:23 pm
Of be tempted by trubisky. He’ll be cheap as an F.A and has experience and enough atm strength and the right mechanics as a qb. A year on a price it deal wouldn’t hurt us. He’s better fit than JG for our system. If he fails better draft position, if he succeeds bonus for us. He didn’t smother himself in glory at Chicago but I think that’s coaches fault over him not having the potential, either way gives trask another season to learn behind a more experienced qb plus as I say he won’t destroy the cap or cost is draft picks.
February 6th, 2022 at 5:41 pm
@ SPBF
Semper Fi!
Go Bucs!
Thanks buddy. I think being a Bucs fan has helped me keep my sense of humor…
February 6th, 2022 at 6:21 pm
SIMPLE SOLUTION:
Let Trask start next season and see what he does in the first 3 games.
If he’s not showing any promise and doing nothing but struggling, then you bench the guy and go with a veteran backup that we sign in the offseason.
The Bucs saw something special in Trask and that’s why they drafted him. Time to find out what he’s capable of.
LET TRASK PLAY. Let’s see what happens.
February 6th, 2022 at 6:25 pm
I never got the infatuation with arm strength. Brady and Manning never had a strong arm compared to some of the big arms in the NFL. They can throw with zip any pass inside of 20 yards though and everything else out of 20 yards they’re just mentally stronger. They process everything faster which makes up for having to try to squeeze something in. Trask has shown that in college. Of course, reading NFL defenses and processing things fast at this level is different.
Naturally I would rather have a veteran quarterback who could lead them deep into the playoffs but if Teddy Bridgewater, Jimmy G or Trubisky are really the only options, I’d rather put Trask in and see what they got.
February 6th, 2022 at 6:31 pm
no one knows whether a guy will make it till he does. Thing is the finding out process takes time, and the window is closing.
we all know the give the kid a chance crowd will run for the hills if we start losing, just like they turned on Bowles.
play the kid, but its going to be rocky.
February 6th, 2022 at 7:01 pm
????
Those two had damn strong arms. Hell, Brady was 44 and throwing dimes long. Can’t do that with a weak arm.
February 6th, 2022 at 7:20 pm
Trask absolutely can NOT make all the throws — at this point, as we saw in preseason last year. For every scout you find who says he has an NFL arm, I can find you 10 who say he doesn’t. His college tape is Danny Wuerffel-level soft rainbow passes that do not work at the NFL level. I’ve seen these pin-point college passers who don’t throw with velocity, and none of them work out at the NFL level.
Also Drew Brees absolutely had a better arm than what we saw from Trask, until the last 2-years of his career anyways.
I don’t know how any sane person could watch Trask throw and think, yeah, he can do it all. He can’t. Yes, he can throw a deep ball, but rainbow passes with no velocity, he throws a ball that hangs in the air, and those are INTs at the NFL level. His short passes have no zip on them either. When he tried to put zip on them in the preseason, he was all over the place in terms of accuracy. When he got into trouble, he resorted back to his college day and was throwing up lollipops that are going be pick-6’s on Sunday.
Now, none of this is to say he can’t learn to throw an NFL ball. He did show in preseason he can throw MOST NFL passes, they were marginal but adequate, but his accuracy was crap. He can fix that with enough reps and time, but considering he was the #4 QB all season, I’m not sure when he was getting those reps, and the fact they felt the need to keep Griffin on the practice squad all year says a lot.
Nothing against Trask, maybe in another year or two he can become a backup QB level player, a Mike Glennon type, heck, maybe he can become a lower tier starting QB like Trent Dilfer, but I have no idea why anyone would have any faith in him at this point based off his college tape and the limited amount we’ve seen of him.
There is no way Arians is going to bet on Trask to be the starting QB and got 3-14 in his final season as headcoach.
February 6th, 2022 at 7:44 pm
Hmmm … posted elsewhere today.
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Juergensen Says:
February 6th, 2022 at 3:07 pm
Fun facts for all you FSU fans/Trask haters:
Jameis Winston started his rookie season.
Tua Tagovailoa started his rookie season.
Joe Burrrow started his rookie season.
Justin Herbert started his rookie season.
Mac Jones started his rookie season.
Brett Favre sat on the bench his rookie season.
Tom Brady sat on the bench his rookie season.
Drawing negative inferences from Trask sitting on the bench his rookie season is as stupid as drawing negative inferences from Trask being a second rounder.
February 6th, 2022 at 8:28 pm
I won’t say that Trask can’t be great…but he has done nothing at all to convince me he can be.
February 7th, 2022 at 12:00 am
JimbobBucsFan – He didn’t sit, he was buried on the depth chart, and when he did play in the preseason he looked terrible. Additionally I’ve not heard one positive report about him, like he’s surprised people with his arm strength, or he commands the room. The only thing I really heard about him is that he didn’t seem to be taking his rookie year all the seriously since he knew he was redshirted and had zero chance of playing.
I too was a Florida fanboy when Spurrier was coaching, it’s why I know what is going to happen. I too thought Wuerffel was awesome, and when he got to the NFL level he was going to be great. People could talk about how he didn’t have enough zip, but who cares when you’re that insanely accurate. What do they mean he didn’t have an NFL arm, he could throw it everywhere on the field… I’ve seen this before.
As I said Trask, unlike Wuerffel, does have a chance but he’s literally having to relearn how to throw the ball. He’s a project QB, and people who want him to succeed should be the last people who want to see him play before he’s ready. If the Bucs throw him out there, he’s going to fail, bigly, and almost certainly it will ruin him.