Dominik Better Hope Fifth Round Pick Is Special
April 17th, 2010
Justin Pawlowski is disgusted Mark Dominik didn't pick up Ted Ginn for a fifth round pick.
Earlier this week, Joe was incredulous that Bucs general manager Mark Domink wouldn’t ship a fifth round pick to the Steelers for wide receiver Santonio Holmes. Joe has wrestled with that (non) move each night since, as if he has a bout of a irritable bowel syndrome.
Joe has documented what a miserable history the Bucs have with fifth round picks and thought such a trade to be a no-brainer, even when factoring in Holmes’ offfield mishaps.
Joe’s good friend Justin Pawlowski — who you can enjoy later today on WDAE-AM 620 from 1-3 p.m. with another addition of his world reknown “The Blitz” — also was irritated by the Bucs not getting Holmes. But Pawlowski saved his disgust for last night on his blog when the Bucs didn’t want Miami wide receiver Ted Ginn for a fifth round pick.
Ginn was traded to the 49ers for a fifth round pick Friday.
First off, all I could do was shake my head when I heard this and wonder why, once again, the Bucs did not get a receiver. I, by no means, think that Ginn is anywhere close to being a great receiver, but what the hell? Honestly, I can’t wait to see the Bucs secret weapon of a 5th round draft pick. Good God! At least Ginn Jr. gives you speed on offense, which you don’t have. He’s also a threat as a punt and kick returner. I’m telling you, after passing on both Santonio Holmes and Ted Ginn Jr. (both had for 5th round picks) the most anticipated pick for the Bucs in this year’s draft will be their 5th round pick.
Joe isn’t enamoured with Ginn and there really is no need on the Bucs for a return man. A Dolfan friend of Joe’s once told Joe that Ginn was “the Michael Clayton of Miami.” But Joe sees where Justin is coming from and, in general, agrees.
This fifth round pick better be damned close to Superman. Joe won’t forget. This fall Joe will run a weekly comparison between this unknown stud of a fifth round pick for the Bucs, and Holmes… provided said fifth round pick even makes the Bucs roster.
If said stud does make the roster, Joe is willing to bet a six-pack of cold Caybrew that Holmes will have a much greater impact for the Jets in 12 games than said fifth round stud will have in 16 games.
Earlier this week Dominik noted how his job was on the line with this draft. Something tells Joe that, in essence, drafting Holmes with a fifth round pick would have gone a long way to keeping Dominik in his current position for years to come.
April 17th, 2010 at 8:34 am
either mark dominik is the worst gm in nfl history or the glazers have told him we have no money to sign or trade for anyone and can barely afford to sign our draft picks
April 17th, 2010 at 8:41 am
The comparison of the 5th against Holmes this year MAY show Holmes as a better move. IF, big If, they hit on this 5th, what happens over the next 2 years? You think Holmes can completely forego the bongwater? This year, next year, somewhere in there you will lose him for the entire season.
April 17th, 2010 at 8:43 am
Joe, judging a fifth-round pick based on next year makes little sense. The impact of a draft pick should be measured in the long term, and not in the short term. Comparing what Holmes will do next year to what a rookie will do next year makes no sense – you should compare what Holmes will do over the rest of his career for the Jets to what the 5th-round pick will do over his career for the Bucs. And then you have to factor in the amount of money Holmes will ask for next year (and whether or not he hits the free agent market), and you have to factor in what a drafted receiver will do for the Bucs, as obtaining Holmes would surely change how high they will draft a receiver, and what type of receiver they draft.
It’s oh so simple to reduce these issues to such simple levels of comparing next year’s production, but in my opinion that’s just lazy because that’s not how front offices decide on trades. They have to look at the bigger picture.
And really, Ted Ginn? Based on all the other trades this offseason, a 5th-round pick for him seems like overpaying by a whole lot. He works for the 49ers because those guys desperately need a return threat, but that value is mostly lost for the Bucs who already have 2 or 3 good return men (if you count Spurlock).
April 17th, 2010 at 8:59 am
I agree with Joe on this. If the Bucs get Holmes, we can adress another area of concern with our 2nd round pick(s) instead of spending one of those on a receiver. This team has so many holes that we need to get quality in every round with every pick. Getting a quality receiver, or even Ginn, for a 5th rounder is a no brainer..
April 17th, 2010 at 9:09 am
Upset about Ted Ginn. Seriously, it’s Ted Ginn. The fifth round pick may turn out to be a stiff, but Ted Ginn is already a stiff. At least the Bucs give themselves a chance to get a player at the fifth round by not trading for Ginn. Dominick may be incompetent, but Bill Parcells was so enamoured with Ted Ginn he gave him away for a low round draft choice. Please, we’re talking about Ted Ginn.
April 17th, 2010 at 9:54 am
OK! 🙂
April 17th, 2010 at 9:57 am
gruss222:
Joe believes the chances of Holmes giving up the bongwater compared to a fifth round pick making any significant impact (that Holmes could) over his career are at worst dead even and probably favor Holmes, which is why Joe was/is so upset over this. Please click the link above and look at the history of the Bucs’ fifth round picks and tell Joe that’s not worth a gamble in picking up Holmes, who is 26 and has demonstrated the ability to be clutch against the toughest defenses and on the NFL’s highest stage.
April 17th, 2010 at 10:08 am
I don’t think Ginn helps us at WR…he’s a pile of rocks. He could help any team as a KR, however.
April 17th, 2010 at 10:29 am
With 5th round pick the Bucs select:
Brandon Banks WR – Kansas St.
“He’s just da bomb man…I can’t believe he was still available at this depth…Josh knew Brandon from their days at K. State…I’m thrilled and excited…I personally know this kid and he listens to me…I’m 100% confident that he won’t smoke any week like Holmes…Brandon is a team player not like that other Brandon…yeah Banks will make people in Tampa say Ginn who?…he’ from Kansas St. need I say more?”
– Radio Morris answering quesions about the Bucs Secret Weapon drafted in Round 5
April 17th, 2010 at 10:42 am
How about if we just get a receiver, in any round, that can eak out the blocking icon for the number one spot?
April 17th, 2010 at 10:49 am
I don’t know Joe, I’m not as convinced Holmes will give up the bongwater. Somehow he has learned his lesson is a stretch. Besides, its not just the bongwater that is the only problem.
I get it, it only cost a fifth round draft choice to take the risk. I do give merit to what Steve White wrote about the situation with Holmes.
April 17th, 2010 at 11:29 am
If said stud does make the roster, Joe is willing to bet a six-pack of cold Caybrew that Holmes will have a much greater impact for the Jets in 12 games than said fifth round stud will have in 16 games.
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Wow Joe, way to go out on a limb…lol
April 17th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
I thought getting Ginn Jr. would have been worth a shot. He’s a former top 10 pick. He is choir boy compared to Marshall or Holmes. He is still young and it is still possible for him to turn around his career. The pressure that was on him for being a top pick must have been intense. So a change of scenery could be all he needs. The guy would be a perfect complement to Freeman on deep routes. Yes he does have questionable hands at times, but any 5th round pick would have the same concerns. That’s why he is drafted in the 5th round! He is personally better than any of the receivers right now on the roster.
I sure hope this 5th round pick we get starts and is in the Pro Bowl in the next few years. If not it is a failure on Mark D.
April 17th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
Joe, you should know better than to try to hold the current regime to any sort of objective standard.
We have to wait at least four years before any conclusions can be reached. Things like wins and losses during any particular season are also irrelevant.
All that really matters is that they are “doing things right” and building through the draft.
April 17th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
We have to wait 4 years to see how the 5th round pick turned out?
Most of the Bucs 5th round picks don’t last 4 months nevertheless 4 years.
Hell in 4 years this team could be the London Bucs for all we know.
April 18th, 2010 at 12:27 am
Some of the strangest comments on this website. The World Championship Bucs were built through the draft and with high character guys and yet no one seems to approve of Dominik following the same path. Strange.
April 18th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
This is stupid, why would we trade our 5th round pick for Ginn if we wouldnt trade for Holmes. I believe Mark Dominic would have a hard time explaining that one. Why would we trade for a proven M. Clayton type WR, we have one. Thats like when we took Leftwitch “cause hes proven”, the only thing he proved is that he sucks “again”. Mc-Clown the redneck “white boy” had better foot work than Left-Twitch. I would have loved to have Holmes for a 5th round pick, then Talib and T.Jack would have some one to chief with. Then the new rumors would be that the Bucs cant play no foot ball but they sure can Smoke some weed. All joking aside, I would of took Holmes for a 5th but not Ginn. We have enough 3rd string WR to compete for that spot, we need a #1 and #2 WR.
April 18th, 2010 at 6:55 pm
Have to ageee with you on both the Holmes and Ginn nonmoves. Holmes is a problem, but he sure could have helped give Freeman a liilte bit more confidence in the pasing game, even if he had only stuck around a year. Ginn is indeed the Dolphins version of Clanghands except I think he is a tad better. Watched a ball bounce off his hands in the endzone for a possible game winning TD against the Colts last year and thought of Clanghands at that moment. He still has better speed than Clayton. Clayton is just a bum. A fifth for Ginn would have broungt no protest from me. He probably even makes less than Clanghands.
April 18th, 2010 at 6:58 pm
Why would anyone consider Clayton a good third receiver unless they were married to a crack pipe.