Bill Parcells Blames Bucs Coaches, Defense On Jameis Winston’s Picks
August 24th, 2021
Coaching legend reacts.
Joe can just hear the cries now: “Joe, why are you writing about Jameis? He’s with the slimy Saints!”
Because one of the greatest coaches in NFL history is calling out Bucs coaches present and past for a former Bucs No. 1 overall pick now about to be named starter for a hated division rival.
For Joe, that’s news.
Bill Parcells, without naming names, was pretty clear who he was referring to when asked for a breakdown of former Bucs quarterback and expected slimy Saints starter, Mr. Entertainment, America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston.
In an interview he granted to Armando Salguero of Outkick, Parcells was asked why he is bullish on Jameis being the starter for his former Cowboys offensive coordinator, Sean Payton.
Parcells, blunt as always, hung Bucs coaches out to dry as the culprit for Jameis’ picks and, oh yeah, the rotten Bucs defenses Jameis way too often had to bail out.
“Listen to me, that was on the coaching,” Parcells says. “If I was his coach, when he got to 15 interceptions, he needed to either have his throat cut or I would have cut mine. We’re not getting to 30, trust me.
“So much of that is if you’re playing from behind all the time and you’re trying to catch up, situations evolve that are very difficult for some players.”
So, who was Jameis’ coach when he threw 30 picks? Well, we all know the same year, Bucs Super Bowl-winning coach Bucco Bruce Arians told Jameis to “keep firing.”
(Yes, Joe knows Parcells didn’t cut his throat when his favorite quarterback, Phil Simms, threw more picks (22) than touchdowns during the Giants’ Super Bowl season of 1986.)
Joe for years has said the Bucs’ disgusting defense, especially under Mike Smith, did more damage than Jameis’ picks. The poor guy left the locker room before kickoff knowing if he didn’t put up 35 points that afternoon, his team was screwed.
No running game + a defense that was only slightly better than 11 lawn chairs = doom for any quarterback.
Yet still, Jameis put up passing yards like few quarterbacks have.
So yeah, Jameis is gone and the Bucs have a Super Bowl win. Scoreboard: Bucs! It all worked out!
The thing is, it’s possible the Bucs will have to deal with a former overall No. 1 pick years after Mr. Seven Rings calls it a career.
Joe will still take the Super Bowl win!
August 24th, 2021 at 12:52 pm
I supported Jameis till the bitter end but he had to go b/c i couldn’t witness another turnover by him whether or not it was his fault. The final game was fitting & gave Pete P.T.S.D. and that’s why I’m medicated
August 24th, 2021 at 12:53 pm
I guess we’ll find out this year if it truly was the Bucs’ coaching staff – never mind that this coaching won the Super bowl.
August 24th, 2021 at 12:55 pm
What I got out of this is that Parcells would’ve benched him and/or cut him. In short, Jameis couldn’t play for Parcells
So, I guess, shame on Bucs HCs for not doing so.
August 24th, 2021 at 12:57 pm
So tired of hearing our O/C is head coaching material. Look what he did with Winston! I could be Brady’s O/C and do as well as Lefty has.
August 24th, 2021 at 12:58 pm
Bottom line: Bucs subtracted Jameis, added a better QB and won a Super Bowl in the first year Jameis was gone.
August 24th, 2021 at 12:58 pm
LMFFAO! All of this due to a decent half of PRESEASON football?
August 24th, 2021 at 1:01 pm
That first TD Mon night could easily have been a pick. When Jameis is relaxed he’s very good. Under pressure… he only lasts so long before meltdown. If the Saints are 3 and 5 to start the season and Jameis puts the pressure on himself he will return to his old way. If they go 7 and 3 to start the Saints could have a good season.
August 24th, 2021 at 1:03 pm
Let’s see how he does against non-vanilla defenses.
August 24th, 2021 at 1:04 pm
So does Bill know that in 2019 we weren’t playing from behind directly due to the defense that much. In 2019 the two saints games were the only time it was a one sided beat down.
It was the turnovers that put the team in holes more times then not. the only blowouts where they were outmatched and beat in all aspects was against the saints. I mean sure the defense was atrocious for 3 of his 5 years here. but at some point the now veteran needed to step up. He never did.
Also passing yards mean nothing in the modern pass happy game. He had no regard for protecting the ball. He would put up yards. as a result he had interceptions.
August 24th, 2021 at 1:05 pm
I can’t wait to hear the new batch of excuses they come up with when he also fails in New Orleans.
August 24th, 2021 at 1:05 pm
Also for the record I was a Jameis defender the vast majority of his time here. I had a sliver of hope for him in 2019. His outright meltdown against the panthers made that sliver of hope for him go away and I thought we needed to move on immediately.
August 24th, 2021 at 1:10 pm
I’m not an FSU guy so I never paid attention to Jaymiss in college. Wasn’t he a turn over machine there too?
August 24th, 2021 at 1:11 pm
Parcell’s lost a lot of credibility in that article trying to sell Teddy Bridgewater as much as Jameis to me. Really. Feels just like a love affair with an ex assistant coach of his, Sean Payton, than anything else.
Parcell’s has had two GREAT successes on his coaching tree.
Bill Belichick and Sean Payton.
The other guys who became head coaches.
Tony Sparano
Josh McDaniels
Eric Mangini
Romeo Crenell
Dick Jauron
Bobby Petrino
Steve Spagnola
Is it possible that Parcell’s viewpoint of the current NFL is closer to his failed coaches on his tree than the two current NFL coaches that know that we know have succeeded. You have to make more plays to win. Not be Teddy Bridgewater risk adverse. That might have worked in the early 90’s.
Sean Payton understands the NFL has changed. 7 times Drew Brees has thrown 15 or more interceptions for Sean Payton. Did Payton ever bench Brees? No. But he probably would have after 20-22, but I am guessing.
August 24th, 2021 at 1:12 pm
We saw it for years. Jameis would have a good game and then old Jameis would return. Bullspit it was the coaches. Jameis wasn’t listening to Arians because he was “balling.” If he’s better now, it’s because the league showed him what he was worth. 2 years of league minimum contracts has to humble someone.
BTW it drives me crazy reading over and over about the 5000 yards and 33 TD’s. That was on the receivers. When Jameis was here, his idea of the deep ball is throw it up for grabs and let the receivers go get it. Those numbers are from Evans and Godwin.
August 24th, 2021 at 1:13 pm
One good quarter, in preseason, versus Jax doesn’t make a Pro Bowler.
Winston has a long ways to go.
August 24th, 2021 at 1:18 pm
I don’t mind another Jameis thread. But Bill Parcells was the AH that backed out on the deal to come here in 1991, and left us hanging. Wasn’t he? I guess the rebuild job was beyond his small skill set. So Bill… you have little credibility when talking anything Bucs related, in my mind.
August 24th, 2021 at 1:18 pm
I am glad to see JW do so well against a jags defense that was ranked 31st last season.
I’ll hold judgement until this season is halfway done before commenting on JW’S status with the slimy Saints.
August 24th, 2021 at 1:18 pm
It’s true. Jameis had no business playing with all those injuries at the end of the season. If both their egos weren’t so big he could be the current backup learning behind one of the best of all times in Brady for a few years. I’d feel a heck of a lot better if Brady was injured with Jameis than Blaine not to mention the future.
August 24th, 2021 at 1:21 pm
I’d pick his 1st option after 15 picks.
August 24th, 2021 at 1:23 pm
BTW..Bill AH. Did you ever consider that Arians and the Glazers know that Jameis had to have every opportunity hear to get his game squared away here, up to the last play? That Arians was brought in here to do all he could to see if Jameis was the guy or wasn’t the guy to win here? Frankly, You comments just make me think your intelligence is vastly overrated.
August 24th, 2021 at 1:24 pm
So what? ..can’t wait till our first pick6
August 24th, 2021 at 1:26 pm
BA did kept telling Jamies to keep slanging down feild. And the defense didn’t help either because they gave up more games than the offense. You can’t have a defense that gave up the most yards and was ranked at the bottom of the NFL and win games. While your offense is ranked top 5 and you blaming the quarterback for everything it just don’t work that way. I want to see if it’s the coaches and if they can develop Trask then I will blame the quarterbacks from every guy they pick in the pass . If they don’t develop Trask then you have to look at the coaching and the organization!!!
August 24th, 2021 at 1:28 pm
So basically he’s blaming them for not benching winston.
August 24th, 2021 at 1:29 pm
have alot of respect for Bill Parcells…… BUT….. he didnt suffer thru the Jameis Winsnot years with us …….. Jameis is very entertaining … he will win you 8 games and he will lose you 8 games…. He lacks the mental discipline to throw it away when needed……..
He lost out on a 50 million $$ contract and is playing for 1 million $$ right now…. Bill it might be time to cut your throat….
August 24th, 2021 at 1:30 pm
Lol Robert!
When Jameis throws a pick to start 7 games, you blame that on the defense? Umm, the score was 0-0. What now Bill?
August 24th, 2021 at 1:31 pm
I can’t wait for the excuses this season! Week 1 can’t come fast enough the field does the talking for me. Any of you can watch the all 22 film of winston his decision making was horrible. I’m talking clean pocket stares down receivers horrible.
August 24th, 2021 at 1:33 pm
It’s jimbo fault it’s dirk fault it’s BA fault good luck Sean Peyton because winston stans hold him accountable for nothing!
August 24th, 2021 at 1:33 pm
AMI_Chris Says:
Maybe you were asleep or in a coma but the bucs added more than just a qb. Gronk, ab, fournette, wirfs, winfield jr, SUCCOP etc. Stop the bs
August 24th, 2021 at 1:35 pm
Bill can ingest a bag of Richards. Jameis was given 5 years to get his eyes fixed, take what the defense gives him and lose that baby fat. He thought his method was the best until he was cut and ONLY THEN started to listen to people who know. Its not the coaches or the defense; its his stubborn nature. Hubris is a slippery slope from I believe I can to belief in his mom who says I am special.
August 24th, 2021 at 1:35 pm
Oneilbucs then why was only 5 of winston 30 ints over 20yds??????? Please tell me the answer!!!! Tom Brady tossed more deep passes than anyone last year what happened to his record breaking ints???? Winston was tossing dumb ints before BA and will continue to do so without him.
August 24th, 2021 at 1:35 pm
Oneil… Arians also told Brady to “hit the open man down the field”. But seems that meant something completely different to the two different QB’s, or at least worked out completely differently. Wouldn’t you agree?
August 24th, 2021 at 1:36 pm
Next they gonna blame the doctor who did his lasik surgery true story 😂
August 24th, 2021 at 1:37 pm
BTW…that defense was demoralized…just as an offense would be constantly having to catch up because the D was constantly failing to stop anyone. This was a good defense two years ago…with only another player or two added. It wasn’t a miracle transformation. It was a matter of eliminating “the Jameis effect”.
August 24th, 2021 at 1:39 pm
JW’S 2020 season with the Bucs…
1. Niners game. Lost 31-17. Points off Winston t/o: 15
2. Panthers game. Lost 37-26. points off of Winston t/o: 16
3. Titans game. Lost 27-23. Points off of Winston t/o: 14
4. Saints game. Lost 34-17. Points off of Winston t/o: 14. Also had an int at the saints 1 yard line. Should’ve scored td. That’s actually 21 points lost.
5. Colts game. Won 38-35. Points off of Winston turnovers: 14
6. Texans game. Lost 23-20. Points off of Winston turnovers: 10 points. Also int on a game winning drive with 1:31 to go.
7. Falcons game. Lost 28-22. Points off of Winston turnovers: 13 points. Pick 6 to end that game and perhaps his Buccaneers career.
10 games with multiple ints. Yes, I’ll be the first to admit the defense isn’t perfect or fixed but if you think the above isn’t a problem, then you are blind to the fact!
REMEMBER PPL, 121 POINTS SCORED BY THE OPPONENTS OFF OF WINSTON TURNOVERS!!!!
August 24th, 2021 at 1:40 pm
Lol. Like blaming the bartender for you getting drunk. Never thought I’d hear Parcells go full blown blame culture. Only one person throwing that ball.
August 24th, 2021 at 1:44 pm
Again name 1 quarterback BA develop ??? Sean Payton is a waaay better coach than BA. Payton develop Drew Brees who did BA develop and like BA !! But we can’t act like this organization has a good history in developing quarterbacks.
August 24th, 2021 at 1:44 pm
Bucsfan951…but to some, that should mean nothing and the D should play lights out. They just don’t understand team dynamics, I guess.
BTW…what do you think Sapp would have “said” to Jameis after he torched a handful of seasons with suspensions, fumbles, and ints.? I don’t think it would have been pretty.
August 24th, 2021 at 1:48 pm
When JW said he had no fear of any kind of throws, and Coach Koetter, answered him back,¨Well you shoud¨, I instantly got it, It´s on his nature, he can´t stop taking risks, and on NFL is more than proven that doesn´t work.
Just take a look at TB12, he has a very interesting aproach on risk, he gets rid of the ball as fast as he can when he is under pressure. That´s one of the many reasons he is the goat.
So kudos to Koetter !!!!!! And JW, well evidences is very clear, the very exact moment he was gone we won the superbowl……
And I will NEVER EVER forget the moment he made the eating W on TV , with the Saints uniform, since that day my indiference turned to hate….Same as Payton
August 24th, 2021 at 1:49 pm
geno711
What the he11 are you talking about? Because assistant coaches for parcell didn’t turn into great head coaches then Parcells has no clue? That is about as dumb as anything I have read on this site. And btw…they had to be good enough to 1st get a head coaching job and some got multiple. BTW…Josh Mcdaniels never coached on parcell’s staff so I am willing to bet some of the others you wrote about didn’t either. That goes back to the point of that being one of the dumbest post I have read on this site. And not once did the man say bench winston. He was plainly saying once he got to 15 then obviously your approach/coaching scheme needed to change ie stop throwing the ball 50 times a game. Not that hard to understand really
August 24th, 2021 at 1:54 pm
And the nonsense about no check downs in BA is a lie lie lie. A certain rb in Arizona was well known for thriving out of the backfield!!!
August 24th, 2021 at 1:55 pm
Onei I’m not sure if that is bait. LET’S SEE WHO BA DEVELOPED.
1. Manning (more of a minor role to his overall career but still)
2. Rothlisberger he was with him for a long time and won a super bowl with him.
3. Andrew Luck during his rookie year he took the colts to the playoffs to lose to the Ravens that would go on to win it all.
4. He resurrected the destroyed corpse of Carson Palmer.
August 24th, 2021 at 1:55 pm
Oneilbuc Says:
August 24th, 2021 at 1:44 pm
Again name 1 quarterback BA develop ??? Sean Payton is a waaay better coach than BA. Payton develop Drew Brees who did BA develop and like BA !! But we can’t act like this organization has a good history in developing quarterbacks.
Name 1 coach winston didn’t have an ints problem with????????? Yea exactly!!!!!!
August 24th, 2021 at 1:56 pm
Whatever. I’m just happy to only have to see his face a fraction of the time I had to endure it when he was here.
August 24th, 2021 at 1:57 pm
Bucsfan951
The job of a defense is to stop the opponent period. Sapp even said he played with dilfer who threw a lot of ints but that did not stop the bucs defense from being ranked top 5. Their mentality was lets get the ball back. If they did not get the ball back then force a 3 and out. If no 3 and out then they wanted to hold them to a field goal. Thats how that defense played and thats what they said was the mentality. Trying to blame jameis for the defense giving up the booty constantly is laughable especially when the offense put up points and was always a top 10 offense. How many points did they give up without ints? A WHOLE BUNCH. Did you see Brady throw 3 ints in the NFC championship? How many points were scored off of them? THREE. Because again, the job of the defense is to stop the opponent
August 24th, 2021 at 1:57 pm
Oh also at the age of 44 Tom Brady had one of his best seasons with him.
August 24th, 2021 at 1:58 pm
Peyton so great all the more reason no excuses for the saints! It’s super bowl or bust for winston same standards. The saints have been consistently contenders do make excuses when the bullets fly!!!
August 24th, 2021 at 2:01 pm
So, Parcels sees 30 minutes of a preseason game with Mr. Eat a Win and now runs down our coaching staff?
Sounds like Billy ate a “B” as in bullspit.
Winston is, was and will continue to be a talented moron. Sandlot football wins nothing in he NFL. He’s a born Coach Killer. Love to see the human POS Sean Payton next on the list.
August 24th, 2021 at 2:08 pm
Tampabus. BA coached Payton Manning to a 100 interceptions . He got big Ben killed and that’s why he was fired in Pittsburgh. Mike Tomlin vetoed a lot of his plays and they stayed arguing on the side lines. He got Anrew Luck knock out of football and got Palmer hurt. He never stayed with none of those quarterbacks he started with. I like BA a lot but his no risk it no biscuit just don’t help no young quarterback or even old quarterbacks . He changed his plays for Brady. But the way he’s doing Trask by having him play with the practice squad players ain’t helping Trask. If the bucs develop Kyle Trask then I will blame the quarterbacks if not then it’s the organization and the coaches they bring in.
August 24th, 2021 at 2:14 pm
Next….move off his junk already.
August 24th, 2021 at 2:21 pm
Webster:
8 ints thrown between their own 1-20 yard line.
16 ints thrown between their own 21-50 yard line.
24 ints thrown in their own territory.
what did you say about the defense again?
August 24th, 2021 at 2:29 pm
7 picks on our first drive of the game. That’s almost half the games played where we started with a pick. Gtfo Bill. Lazy hot take.
August 24th, 2021 at 2:30 pm
The underlying issue here is Jameis played a great 1st half last night. And we seen plenty of those in 5 years. It doesnt necessarily mean Winston is any different.
We will have to wait for the season for that and we should have a pretty good idea by the time we play him on Halloween. The only question is which costume will Jameis be wearing for that game? Good, bad or ugly?
Agreed with the guy above as well that Winstons 1st TD could just as easily of went for a pick against the wrong DB. If he keeps trying that throw I dont think he keeps getting rewarded.
August 24th, 2021 at 2:32 pm
And Joe jas the proper bottom line here. We replaced Winston and a SuperBowl was the results. The right decision was made.
Whatever the conseques of that decision are Im happy to live with them. Fact is if Winston stayed the Bucs would of been rebuilding last year.
August 24th, 2021 at 2:39 pm
Sick and tired of this blame culture bull. Always somebody else’s fault. If Parcells is that far gone it’s time for the rest home. Your mistakes and bad decisions are your fault. Nobody else’s. Only crybabies blame others.
August 24th, 2021 at 2:47 pm
Parcells, keep that same energy big fella when the real bullets start firing and Jameis start making dumb decisions and throwing picks. I was a supporter of Jameis when he was here, and when he left I beared no ill will,but when he pulled that little locker room stunt last year……F that dude!!!!!
August 24th, 2021 at 2:52 pm
bucsfan951
Jameis was here for 5 years!!!!! and the defense was 30th or worse every year while the offense was top 10. Like I said, how many scores did the defense give up without out turnovers? A WHOLE DAMN BUNCH FOR FIVE YEARS while giving up over SEVENTY PERCENT COMPLETION PERCENTAGE. Sure blame jameis for over SEVENTY PERCENT COMPLETION. Oh thats right one year they had a total of EIGHTEEN SACKS. Sure blame Jameis for EIGHTEEN SACKS!!!
August 24th, 2021 at 2:58 pm
Said it for years… you’re down 24-7 in the 2nd quarter of half your games, because your defense is complete garbage. There’s only one way back into the game, to be ultra aggressive. Winston threw the Bucs back into a lot of games that should have been blowout loses.
Again… from 2015-2019, Winston had the worst defense in the NFL… he had the worst kicking game in the NFL… and he played the hardest schedule.
Meanwhile Winston set all the offensive team records, pre-TB.
I was totally for signing Brady, you don’t pass on the goat. But the idiots who wanted to blame everything on Winston are just that, idiots.
August 24th, 2021 at 3:16 pm
Payton is Parcell’s boy, so I expect him to throw plaudits at him while throwing shade at our team. Parcell’s left the Glazers at the altar twice, so I doubt that he holds our team in high regard. Screw him and his protege that we embarrassed in the playoffs, he’s wrong and it’s clear as day that Winston is a bust. Nothing more than the lunatic ravings of a senile old man. Scoreboard dude.
August 24th, 2021 at 3:37 pm
Hilarious how people get do excited about a pre season game. Same thing they did last season when Patriots won week 1 and we lost. Oh Brady needs bellysweat it was bellysweat who most responsible for winning. It’s even worse what ole billy said cuz it’s a preseason game! LMAO!!
August 24th, 2021 at 3:39 pm
Are teams was garbage. I dont really want to remember that defense and special teams. Run game we had Peyton Barber and Jacquez Rogers as starters. Thats bad!!! We had Larry English, Noah Spence, VH3, TJ Ward, McClain, Kwon Alexander, Gmc, Conte, Grimes, Swaggy Baker I mean we get beat Tyrod Taylor in like 3 plays. Those teams were bad. Even rubbed off on Devin White when he stiffed armed out of the camera by CMC
August 24th, 2021 at 3:52 pm
Blaming the defense has nerit for much of those 5 seasons but it does not hold water for the 2019 season. We was a middle pack defense that year but its a story of 2 halves. The first half of the season we were pretty bad which is understandable because we were learning a completely foriegn defense………When you look at the second half of that season thats when our defense started to take off under Bowles.
Jamies had a defense behind him during that time of the season and it didnt change anything at all in Winstons game. In fact some of his most pathetic games in his career came during that time. Winston had every opportunity to finish that year with a winning record and he crumbling and could not even salvage a 8-8 record.
I do believe that the Texans game(playoff team) late in that season, on national TV, was a game the Buccaneers really wanted to win badly to proove some worth. The way the defense played that day suggests just that. Jamies Winston was not only bad he was downright embarassing. The announcers were literally laughing at how pathetic pur QB was……..There was no way Bruce was bringing Jameis back after that. He couldnt manage this offense and it had nothing to do with defense.
August 24th, 2021 at 3:56 pm
we were also losing games with him throwing pick sixes and us behind right away. bucs super bowl win is all that matters. not to mention the guy embarassing the team with his off the field suspension
August 24th, 2021 at 3:56 pm
@lamarcus… we had the same players and coaches last year as we had in JW’s last season. When the turnovers stopped, the big early holes stopped and the d could play. No reason to go that far back… of course Spence and vh3 sucked. The difference in 2019 and 2020 was the qb postion and the respect the qb postion had. Jw had very little interest as a free agent. JW will have a good career, but not a championship career.
August 24th, 2021 at 3:57 pm
How many 4th quarter leads did JW blow by turning the ball over???? I’ve been trying to forget..ALOT!!!!!!! GO BUCS!!!
August 24th, 2021 at 3:58 pm
I wanted badly to have faith in Jameis, that last year. He seemed to be progressing under Arians, with a strong team behind him.
He got us to 7-7, then he fell apart and went back to grade school. We ended up 7-9, and it was all Jameis’s fault. He had reached as far as he was capable of and fallen off the cliff; just like every other season he had here.
Wish New Orleans luck, they are going to need it.
August 24th, 2021 at 3:58 pm
I mean it’s kind of amazing how far people around here go to say it wasn’t Winston’s fault. The only time I can remember it not being his fault was the last stretch of the 2017 season when he played genuinely well the team would just lose in hysterical way.
and his rookie year because he was a rookie. Aside from that a massive chunk of the losing was on him.
August 24th, 2021 at 4:00 pm
Seems to me JW started several games in a row by throwing a pick six that last season.
August 24th, 2021 at 4:02 pm
Yawn, call me when Jameis has to come from 14 points behind and actually doesn’t implode. We’ll talk then.
August 24th, 2021 at 4:06 pm
I think it’s hilarious how folks jump all over Jameis as being an interceptions machine. In his first 4 years with the Bucs … with our apparently dreadful defense … Jameis threw 58 INTs, an average of 14.5 INTs/year. That’s essentially 1 INT/game over his first 4 seasons.
But then … enter BA & BL. Jameis crapped the bed & doubled his INTs in his only season playing for BA & his ‘bombs away’ attack philosophy. I fully expect that Jameis will throw anywhere from 14-18 INTs this season working in Sean Payton’s offense. Lest folks forget, the Saints are still a pretty danged good, well-coached team with an excellent defense & a dangerous offense.
I don’t think that Jameis’ contract wasn’t renewed because of his INTs that first year with BA however. People seem to be forgetting how that first year together ended (Jameis took an arrogant stand & overplayed his hand). Besides that, Jameis wasn’t the leader that the Bucs needed (a more significant reason for not re-signing him). He may very well have ‘matured’ sitting behind Drew Brees last year, but he was anything but mature when he was with us. Water under the bridge; time for everyone to move on.
August 24th, 2021 at 4:07 pm
And you know it is very narrow minded to think you can blame just the defense for Winstons turnovers……At the same time its equally as narrow minded to blame Jameis for 100% of our losing.
If your being fair you can criticize both Winston and defense at the same time. And a lot of times through the years fans that criticize Winston were accused of blaming him for everything when often it was pure criticism……..And so sorry if yall dont get this but the QB always gets a good part of the blame for losing. This has been true since downfield passing became vialable.
I highlighed above sone fair criticism of Winston that had nothing to due with defense………How about the fact of all the 1st posession picks and pick sixes Winston threw? Why are you blaming defense for a int when the score is 0-0? Or go back to the Dirk years and see how often we entered halftime with 6 or 3 or zero points……Even if the defense was bad thats not good offense either. We were bad enough under Winston to blame multiple pieces.
August 24th, 2021 at 4:08 pm
Webster:
i am not saying the defense didnt suck.
JW stats
2015: 22/15 16 games 16th in yards 14th in td passes 5th worst in ints
2016: 28/18 16 games 16th in yards 11th in td passes 2nd worst in ints
2017: 19/11 13 games 13th in yards 22nd in td passes 16th worst in ints
2018: 19/14 11 games 11th in yards 26th in td passes 6th worst in ints
2019: 33/30 16 games 1st in yards 2nd in td passes 1st worst in ints
This tells me JW is just an average qb at best!
August 24th, 2021 at 4:11 pm
At the end of the day we brought in Championship coaching. The defense responded…..Winston did not. Thats simple fact.
August 24th, 2021 at 4:27 pm
Chum in the water.
August 24th, 2021 at 4:36 pm
The poor defense left the locker room knowing they’d be in short field position within five minutes of the game starting and have to deal with that all game long.
He’s a bust. He will always be a bust. That throw the other night that everyone is going goo-goo gah-gah for is the same stuff we saw when he was here. There were games where he was brilliant and there were games where he was a turnover machine. You can’t win with that kind of inconsistency. Good riddance to him. He’s the Saints’ problem now.
August 24th, 2021 at 4:37 pm
@defenserules… I think its hilarious that the other 31 gms and head coaches didn’t want him as a starter. I’m glad he could beat out a running back/ reciever for the job, but it seems to have taken a while. He is in a good spot with sean peyton, so i expect him to be a good qb at some point
August 24th, 2021 at 4:46 pm
MIKEN
Same players yes. Let’s add AB, Fourenette, Wirfs, Gronk etc because Oj is a bust, but yea. Same team
August 24th, 2021 at 5:07 pm
This is funny, because Parcels undoubtably knows more about football than I do, but I blame Jameis for the defensive problems. Putting them on a short field that often is going to cause problems and the minute Jameis was gone, the team reached its maximum potential.
August 24th, 2021 at 5:11 pm
Saints were 12-4 last season and won the NFC South. I don’t see Winston winning 12 games this season, and the Saints are going to have their hands full just beating out the Falcons for 2nd place in the division. Winston is a turnover machine no matter who his coaches are. It’s his DNA.
August 24th, 2021 at 5:12 pm
I have 0 love for the big tuna… didn’t he screw us over twice on coaching… Jameis has always been a big river boat gambler with the pass…
August 24th, 2021 at 5:15 pm
I won’t even take into account it was the jags and it was pressing when your not game planning because he definitely made some great throws and had touch on his short passes but having said that it sounds stupid to blame Yes his one coach. What’s his excuse the other 5 years in the league or the reason for interceptions in college?
Failure to push back on coaching comments as usual. Last year was not the only year. Yea it’s the coaches fault and the defense he threw a pick 6 in overtime against Atlanta garbage defense to end his Bucs career yep ok.
A statement like that must means no more double digit interceptions, which will likely mean limited snaps lol
August 24th, 2021 at 5:27 pm
@ONeil BTW I’m an Irishman so I at least support your name. LOL
I get that you’ve had a mancrush on JW since day one. Perhaps you’re an FSU guy and so it’s understandable. But I’m about to post something that will both please you and disagree with you. Let’s get the bad out of the say.
Sean Payton is clearly a great coach. HE DID NOT DEVELOP DREW BREES.
Brees had a five year career with SD starting his final four seasons.
The Chargers let Brees go not because they didn’t see his clear talent but because Broncos defensive lineman Gerard Warren landed on Brees, causing him to tear his labrum, which he needed surgery for the following offseason. In addition to the labrum tear, Brees had damage to his rotator cuff and dislocated his shoulder, as well. The recovery period was longer than the Chargers had anticipated.
I give Payton credit for having the eye to realize that Brees wasn’t finished.
I give him credit for placing Brees in a great offense but clearly MANY
August 24th, 2021 at 5:34 pm
Oneill
Sorry hit the enter with fat fingers…to continue MANY coaches including BA would have produced a winning offense with one of the all time great QB’s. Brees did not need Payton to succeed. We’re about to find out if Payton needed Brees to succeed because as D.R. points out the Saints talent is not really far behind ours. We have more but the Saints are loaded as well.
Now O’Neil and others something to consider…
F. Scott Fitzgerald famously wrote: “The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function.”
Can we sports fans do that? I don’t claim a first rate intelligence but I DO believe two things can be true.
JW sucked with us…his head was up his arse from day one including his AZ adventure that really put the Bucs in a bind. He was beyond IMMATURE!!!
So what if JW has actually learned from his EMBARRASSMENT? He still has the gun, he will have a great D and a great coach I can easily imagine JW having a great season.
IF JW lights it up it doesn’t change the first fact. JW set his franchise back five years. If we had traded that #1 overall pick how much talent would we have received in return.
How about our fan base? The AZ adventure…the immaturity…eating W’s , lack of leadership…
Again two facts that can both be true..
Jameis sucked as a Buc and it was largely HIS fault.
He grows up, learns to concentrate and read D’s better and blows up this year.
August 24th, 2021 at 5:35 pm
Bill Parcells is an ass monkey! That same “bad” defense just crushed people one year after the W eating idiot left. The same coaching staff just got rings. Furthermore, when did Bill douche bag Parcells win a damn thing without Bill Bellichick coaching his defense? Which by the way was ALWAYS the strength of his teams that carried them at every turn? Bill needs to shut his arrogant ass up! What a moron!
August 24th, 2021 at 5:37 pm
Bill Parcells needs to go back to the old folks home
August 24th, 2021 at 5:48 pm
I was in the blame defense crowd for Jameis interceptions because he was always having to play from behind until two games in a row I couldn’t even make it to my seat from the start of kickoff and Jameis would have already thrown a pick six. The scores were 0-0 at that point. Jameis can play a preseason half but can he play an entire game without you pulling your hair out? I would take Brady again and my Super Bowl over Jaboo. Go Bucs!
August 24th, 2021 at 5:59 pm
Defense Rules…..Go back to the drawing board. You didnt include the massive fumbling issues Jamies had. That was a big part of it.
Also your conclusion of one pick per game just is not in context. The muliti pick games is where the brunt of the criticism comes from…….The realuty was not Winston making one mistake a game. It was Winston giving us a few really bad games a year as his habit. Sorry but a few bad games a year is not gonna cut itunless its baseball with 162 games and 7 games series come postseason
August 24th, 2021 at 6:09 pm
Onielbuc
Get your facts straight. Brees was already a good QB before he git to NO. They just gave up on him due to injury. Your arguments are lame at best.
August 24th, 2021 at 6:16 pm
Bill Parcells is an over rated fool! That same “bad” defense just crushed people one year after the W eating idiot left. The same coaching staff just got rings. Furthermore, when did Bill D bag Parcells win a damn thing without Bill Bellichick coaching his defense? Which by the way was ALWAYS the strength of his teams that carried them at every turn? Bill needs to shut his arrogant mouth! What a moron!
August 24th, 2021 at 6:21 pm
Watch Jameis do far better under sean payton than arians. Different and better caoch in my opinion. Jameis will thrive with the Aaints. Jameis is not a quitter. He has that on his side.
August 24th, 2021 at 6:23 pm
That’s exactly it, right here. Many players across all positions can do it for a half or a game or even a 2-3 game stretch. Even Ryan Fitzpatrick went 10-6 with the Jets. It’s an entirely different animal playing at a consistent level for an entire season and then stretching that consistency over several years.
The only thing Jay-Miss was consistent at was being consistently inconsistent. We all know who he is as a player. There isn’t a secret chapter to the Jay-Miss Winston story. He’s a turnover machine and will always be a turnover machine. You can’t win with that.
August 24th, 2021 at 6:26 pm
11,12,24,23 and five.
That’s 75 total comments for five posts prior to the 85 from this one post on Jameis.
And you ask why Joe mentions his name?
The mere mention of Jameis draws more attention than a boatload of bloodied chum tossed overboard into a school of man eating sharks.
Scoreboard, baby. And Joe is well aware of the guy who puts up the most points!
August 24th, 2021 at 6:26 pm
Opening drive interceptions have nothing to do with coaching or defense. Don’t feed me this sh!t. Most of Winston’s interceptions aren’t coming in garbage time either. He didn’t segregate his turnovers to any one or two situations during games, we literally rolled the dice on every called pass play.
August 24th, 2021 at 6:38 pm
Sometimes through the eyes of hate the picture is distorted and the reality is if a quarterback is averaging 45 to 50 attempts a game all areas of his numbers go up and for the idiots who don’t get that simple math looked across the league 2019 and fact check that
August 24th, 2021 at 6:45 pm
Oneilbuc Says:
August 24th, 2021 at 2:08 pm
Tampabus. BA coached Payton Manning to a 100 interceptions .
Wrong. Arians was in Indy for 1998, 1999, and 2000.
Lots of interceptions in 1998. The 1999 and 2000 seasons were great Manning seasons with 15 interceptions each year and Manning finishing in the 3rd and 6th in MVP for reference. Manning regressed in 2001 and 2002 after Arians left the team and was not close to the top 10 MVP.
In 2006 Big Ben went from 18 TDs and 23 Ints then Arians became OC and he threw for 32 TDs and 11 Ints. Ben was never a special offensive quarterback until Arians got there. In his 3 seasons before Arians, the defense carried Pittsburgh. In 2007, Ben made his 1st pro bowl because of the teaching of Arians.
In September 2014, Carson Palmer went out with nerve discomfort in his shoulder and did not play for a number of games. Not sure how that was a no risk – no biscuit approach that got him injured. Finally back playing on November 9, 2014 Palmer injured his knee it was a 5 step drop with Mark Barron blitzing. Palmer tried to side step the blitz and went down with a non contact ACL tear. Not sure how either of those 2014 injuries are Arians fault.
Andrew Luck played 5 other seasons after Arians left but apparently it was Arians who ended Luck’s career.
Drew Bree’s had clearly developed into a top QB before Payton ever got him. Payton was smart not to be scared off because of Brees injury.
Do you currently want to count Teddy Bridgewater or Tysom Hill as greatly developed by Payton?
August 24th, 2021 at 6:49 pm
Another take by a HOF coach who probably never watched a bucs game from beginning to end. 3 head coaches were to blame for his ints, please.
BA thought he could get J-dubb to cut down his turnovers too until started working with him and realized that he ain’t a starting QB in the NFL.
If aints start winston, I guarantee you he will be benched by week 5 and not see the field again unless there is an injury to hill.
August 24th, 2021 at 7:17 pm
Randy go look at Brees numbers with the Chargers.
August 24th, 2021 at 7:22 pm
I had to laugh today when the experts were praising Jameis after last nights game. He did well for less than a quarter against the worst team in football last year with a rookie H.C., and system to boot. If they were driving a stage coach I’d say, hold your horses. After five turnover filled seasons, I’d say he has a long way to go to prove he put those dumb plays behind him. What nursing home was Parcells commenting from?
August 24th, 2021 at 7:26 pm
The combination of Arians/Winston would have NEVER worked out here. Arians is a risk it or no biscuit kinda a guy. Winston was always that kinda of player but never was able to control his interceptions when doing so. Payton has taught Winston to attempt the long ball less and change his style if he he wants to continue as a QB in the NFL. Arians loves his long ball style and would never compromise his philosophy…. Go Bucs!
August 24th, 2021 at 8:21 pm
Lots of really stupid people in here who don’t know football.
August 24th, 2021 at 9:50 pm
Rod Munch Says:
August 24th, 2021 at 8:21 pm
Lots of really stupid people in here who don’t know football.
Yea yourself lamarcus oneilbucs none of you have admitted being wrong. Brady washed right Bucs stupid getting an old QB huh. The offensive line gonna get him killed right. BA running this team into the ground and we don’t see it right? And much much more eat y’all crow then talk some new trash we might take your opinions more seriously.
August 24th, 2021 at 9:53 pm
Cant believe there are people who still believe in winston. He had his chances, it will be the same outcome.
August 24th, 2021 at 11:35 pm
@rodMunch.. its the gm’s and head coaches that are stupid right? They are the ones that think so little of of Jameis not to want him.
August 24th, 2021 at 11:42 pm
@lamarcus… yes about the same team, we almost cut lenord bc he did nothing for the 1st 15 weeks. Whrifs was a huge add. Of course the D had Vea all year in 19 and only 3 regular season games in 20. No howard in 20 either, and AB showed up in like week 10 and was a non factor in the regular season. All good points by you bc all the players you mention, had little impact in the regular season but were huge in the playoffs but we don’t get to the playoffs with #3. So yeah, the qb position changed everything for us.
August 25th, 2021 at 12:44 am
Thank goodness someone other than Chris Godwin spoke the truth about JW.
August 25th, 2021 at 1:36 am
He will forsure throw 3 picks against our D Lol
August 25th, 2021 at 5:53 am
Youngbucs Says:
August 24th, 2021 at 9:50 pm
Rod Munch Says:
August 24th, 2021 at 8:21 pm
Lots of really stupid people in here who don’t know football.
Yea yourself lamarcus oneilbucs none of you have admitted being wrong. Brady washed right Bucs stupid getting an old QB huh. The offensive line gonna get him killed right. BA running this team into the ground and we don’t see it right? And much much more eat y’all crow then talk some new trash we might take your opinions more seriously.
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Are we forgetting that Rod Munch said that Vita Vea is a 2-down player only and has nothing to do with the pass rush? It’s hard to have credibility after that.
August 25th, 2021 at 6:44 am
I have said a lot of what is said in this article for years. Did Winston throw a lot of interceptions? Yes. Were all of those interceptions Winston’s fault? No. Did the defense put the team in an early hole a lot of times? Yes. 2020… Seattle game… Winston played well and the team lost because the defense couldn’t stop Russell Wilson in the fourth quarter or overtime. There was another game (I can’t remember which) where Winston threw multiple interceptions and at the post game press conference Arians was asked about it and said ‘James didn’t throw one damn interception today. His receivers let him down.’ Giving one player sole blame for a loss is that silly as giving one player sold credit for a win. Am I glad the team got Brady? Yes. In fact, when Brady signed I said multiple times that he was the only one I would trade Winston for.
August 25th, 2021 at 7:35 am
2019 Bucs Defense ranked 15th in yards (343.9yds gm). They ranked 29th in points per game (28 ppg). Considering the offense turned the ball over a league leading 41 times, that equates to roughly 3+ extra games worth of drives the defense had to defend. Of course we know 7 went directly to house on pick 6’s, and another 20 INTs thrown in Buccaneer territory, giving opposing offenses the short field (Bucs D faced the 29th worst average starting position), it’s pretty impressive they managed to rank 15th in yards. And the Bucs offensive turnovers lead to 127 points (thats 7.9pts a game the offense spotted teams). 2019 Bucs defense finished -11.5 percent DVOA, fifth-best in the NFL. You can’t win turning the damn ball over that much! That Defense was worn the F out, mentally. No way JPP and Suh would have come back if they kept Jaboo.
August 25th, 2021 at 7:38 am
I agree that the Bucs had many problems in the Winston years, but WINSTON HIMSELF WAS ONE OF THEM. You can’t really revise that history, if you watched the games. We’ll see what Winston can do this year, if he can win the starting job, how many INT’s he has, their record, etc. Even then, if Winston doesn’t have a good year, you can blame it on Payton, Saints defense, or whatever excuse you like.
August 25th, 2021 at 10:16 am
Oneilbucyall, Bree’s started very few games for Charges, I believe Ryan Leaf started. Please do not compare a future 1st ballot HOF QB to Winston. Every Pro QB can throw the ball but few are experts at managing the game. If Winston was as good as some of the Winston cult fans think he is then why couldn’t he get a decent contract once Bucs let him go??? If one of you can answer that question then I will consider your opinion credible.
August 25th, 2021 at 11:20 am
Maybe some of you young guys don’t remember the Brees situation. I’m old enough to remember it well. He had major arm surgery in those days when it wasn’t so common. As I remember, it was like Tommy John surgery. And no one knew if he could come back and be the promising QB he was prior to the injury. I frankly, hoped the Bucs would get him. But don’t think the guy didn’t show great promise before that injury. He did. And the only question in my mind, and I think the mind of many others, surrounding his ability to be a franchise QB, was that arm injury.
August 25th, 2021 at 11:22 am
And though Jameis may someday be a franchise QB, though I doubt it, his biggest problem isn’t his arm. Though you could argue accuracy, I guess.
August 25th, 2021 at 12:35 pm
All
Arm Chair Coaches and Quarterbacks and critics they have to play the games. Let’s wait and see . The Saints have a system that somehow revives players.Let’s see playoff time ..
August 25th, 2021 at 1:05 pm
The same coaches that just won a Super Bowl, Bill ?
I feel bad for the Saints if they start him over Hill.
August 25th, 2021 at 2:50 pm
I remember Joe writing an article about Arians not wanting Jameis to move around despite Jameis being one of the best QBs in the league when on the move. It turned out Wnston and Arians weren’t a great fit. It happens.
I said in 2019 it would be best for both sides if the Bucs moved on from Jameis. The Bucs win a super bowl and Jameis goes to a coach who could be his Mike Holmgren.
One thing I noticed during Jameis tenure here was he(like many young QBs) aren’t truly ready to be the face of the franchise Day 1. Look at the Bucs now. Tryon, Wirfs, Trask, Winfield, White, etc don’t have to be saviors.
August 25th, 2021 at 10:31 pm
Half a preseason game really? Congrats man get real.
August 26th, 2021 at 3:14 pm
Soooo, was it the Defense fault when we would have first possession and Jaboo would throw a Pick 6, a regular pick or fufile? Think not. Series we started from behind without the other team taking an offensive snap.