Johnathan Joseph & The Bucs
March 13th, 2020
The Bucs can make a sound move in free agency right now if they want to.
Not only could they add a veteran cornerback faster than any on the current roster, the same guy has been to multiple Pro Bowls and playoff games — and he’s no Brent Grimes 2018.
Johnathan Joseph was cut by the Texans on Thursday and he said today on SiriusXM NFL Radio that he still runs a 4.38-second, 40-yard dash. He ran a 4.31 at the 2006 NFL Scouting Combine.
Yeah, that’s no typo on the year. Joseph turns 36 next month.
Joseph also said he loves to bust his ass, listen to coaches, teach young players, and he said he has played man defense every year since he entered the NFL. The main exception, Joseph said, was during a few years the Texans had a such an amazing pass rush that he could play off coverage and close early and fast.
Former Bucs rock star general manager Mark Dominik was a co-host talking to Joseph and likened his speed and longevity to Hall of Fame cornerback Darrell Green, who played 20 seasons for the Redskins.
Joe’s not screaming for the Bucs to sign Joseph, but there is zero reason not to give him a look. Joe absolutely does not want the Bucs to gift the three key cornerback jobs to Sean Murphy-Bunting, Jamel Dean and Carlton Davis. Make them win those jobs.
Joseph has been extremely durable through his 14-year career, and last season he broke Rondé Barber’s NFL record for most games (50) with more than one official pass defensed.
He also had one interception last year; Joe will give you one guess to name who threw it.
March 13th, 2020 at 3:48 pm
Ricky Wagner also got cut by the Lions. Decent Right Tackle.
March 13th, 2020 at 3:50 pm
I wonder how much Joseph wants on a one year deal.
March 13th, 2020 at 3:55 pm
Wished we would have gotten him when he was up the first time.
March 13th, 2020 at 3:55 pm
so he couldnt pick off brissett, minchew or MM/RT….
but he picked off the former #1overall heisman trophy winner that has a ton of weapons…..
how many points did JW give the texans in that game?….lol….
GO BUCS!!!!!!
March 13th, 2020 at 3:57 pm
i agree with joe tho….
the youngsters in the secondary still need to be challenged….
im hoping CD steps up and becomes more of a leader…..
GO BUCS!!!!
March 13th, 2020 at 4:03 pm
@813buffoon
What, more roster changes????? So much for coaches “coaching up”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And lest you know have learned!!!!!! But you know I “had to teach you”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
go bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 13th, 2020 at 4:09 pm
I’d be willing to try him out if he was willing to switch to FS, he just doesn’t have the speed anymore to play CB (not that we need any new starters at CB given our current trio). Dude still has good instincts and decent hands.
March 13th, 2020 at 4:13 pm
realist
where did i say roster changes?……lol….
i said they need to be challenged…..
and i agreed with joe: Joe’s not screaming for the Bucs to sign Joseph, but there is zero reason not to give him a look.
smitty couldnt develop mud if you gave him dirt and water!!!!!!!!
who’s calling smitty to be their DC?…….
WAITING??????
GO BUCS!!!!!
March 13th, 2020 at 4:14 pm
OBP Says:
March 13th, 2020 at 4:09 pm
I’d be willing to try him out if he was willing to switch to FS
BINGO!!!!!
like joe said, bring him, give him a look, see what he can and cant do….see what he’s willing to do to extend his career….
GO BUCS!!!!!
March 13th, 2020 at 4:17 pm
Yea ok we’re can sign him and use him on go routes only!!!! There is plenty of reason not to bring in a 36 year old corner main reason being straight line speed doesn’t matter at his age, can he make cuts and accelerate on a slant route I doubt it.
Then again he did have one of those 4 picks Winston threw. one touchdown, and four interceptions but guess it was everyone that sucked that day even we still almost won despite 4 picks, heck yeah we can win without winston. Three of those picks came in the first four drives that’s classic Winston.
March 13th, 2020 at 4:19 pm
I remember the good old days when you could spell Jonathan with only a single “h”
March 13th, 2020 at 4:19 pm
Don’t we think that the leadership and wisdom in our secondary comes from the incomparable Todd Bowles. I tend to think that Bowles knows how to challenge these guys.
Not every player who played in the NFL is a good leader or necessarily good fit with our team or our secondary.
Some guys are natural leaders – possibly there is already one in this young secondary.
Maybe getting Joseph is a “sound” move. No context though. Is he paid a lot a little.
Is he more “sound” than earlier blogs to get Chris Harris or Tony Jefferson?
Also, maybe Joseph is still faster than our current guys or maybe he is just a free agent at 36 trying to tell teams he is still fast enough to play the position.
Isn’t there some chance that some of these veterans are cynical – know it all types that might hurt the room.
March 13th, 2020 at 4:32 pm
NY Giants Bucs game on NFL Network for you defense and Matt Gay apologist.
March 13th, 2020 at 4:32 pm
Annnnd Matt Gay just missed an extra point. Whoops.
March 13th, 2020 at 5:00 pm
“Isn’t there some chance that some of these veterans are cynical – know it all types that might hurt the room.”
Some are good (Logan Mankins, JPP, etc.), some are bad (D Jax, Swaggy, etc.).
March 13th, 2020 at 5:09 pm
But the secondary is fixed!!! lol
They simply cannot go after this dude unless he’s willing to convert to safety and can actually play it. Or at least cross-train to become a fill-in safety as needed. If we’re going to go after people in the secondary in free agency, or guys that have been cut or whatever, it needs to be at the safety position right now, first and foremost.
Besides, we all know that Jason Licht is going to draft another cornerback. He can’t not draft a quarterback every year lately. There’s your “competition” for these young guys.
I can already predict our *last* four draft picks (in whatever order they’re going to come because of course that’s all about the “who’s available at the moment” thing), but it’s going to be a quarterback, offensive lineman, running back, and cornerback. Three of those four will be considered mid-major or small school guys.
March 13th, 2020 at 5:19 pm
Old and expensive……
So you’re sayin’ there’s a chance right Joe?
March 13th, 2020 at 5:31 pm
Not that PFF means much but he want from an 80 grade in 2018 to a 64 grade last year.
In his one interception last year, Joseph is playing against the Buc’s. It is the beginning of the 2nd quarter and the Buc’s just got the ball off a Houston turnover. It is 1st down on the Houston 31 and Joseph is lined up on the 23 yard line giving Perriman an 8 yard cushion.
As the play starts, Perriman runs his straight line pattern (is it a hook or fly – who knows). Joseph starts his back peddle and is eyeing what Perriman might do. At the same time, Jameis took the snap and does a quick – weak fake to the running back Barber.
Jameis than starts his review of the receivers and looks to his right into Perriman’s route. At about this point, Perriman is at the 21 and Joseph at the 18 yard line. Joseph’s line of sight allows him to spy not only Perriman but a direct eye view of the quarterback as well.
At about the 18 yard line, Perriman takes his first heavy stop/slow down step suggesting this is a hook pattern. Joseph is now just at the 17 yard line and still has that great view point of both the receiver and the quarterback. He clearly is realizing that it is a hook pattern and starts making his move towards the receiver.
It is good recognition by the defender.
Perriman’s hook pattern really is pretty average developing (not elite for his speed) and he really finishes his push back at the13 yard line. An 18 yard curl or hook. I think the Buc’s typically do a lot more 15 yard hooks.
Then we look back at Winston’s throw and it appears he threw it too far to the outside and not enough inside on this throw.
It seems like three players contributed to the interception.
1. Joseph – identifying the pattern seeing the quarterback staring on the one receiver.
2. Perriman – Running too long of a route and only coming back on the route in an average way.
3. Winston – Never looking off his receiver and throwing the ball too far to the outside.
March 13th, 2020 at 6:05 pm
Probably worth kicking the tires. It all comes down to price! If it’s right if nothing else he would give us some depth at the position to go with all the intangibles Joe has pointed out.
March 13th, 2020 at 6:05 pm
Can he throw less than 30 ints? Asking for a friend.
March 13th, 2020 at 6:23 pm
So Joseph picked Jameis Joe? Maybe that’s the answer then. All we need to do is sign 29 other guys who picked Jameis and he could have a great 2020. Whatever works?
March 13th, 2020 at 6:24 pm
Bring him in for a workout if he can still run 4.5 or less offer him 4 mil plus incentives.
March 13th, 2020 at 6:28 pm
Regardless if he plays alot you have to believe the veteran presence is invaluable.
March 13th, 2020 at 6:30 pm
One last huge payday!
C’mon down Johnathan Joseph! .The Bucs are ripe for the picking.
March 13th, 2020 at 6:43 pm
Careful another ex Bengal.
March 13th, 2020 at 6:45 pm
951…Yes, he will assuredly throw less INT’s than any QB1 in the league.
But, I think your friend already knew that.
Joe…As for Joseph…At this point in his career, he is a Mentor VET kind of guy you sign to help a young DB room develop more quickly. I would not be apposed to that kind of thought process, if the money was lean & super CAP friendly.
However, @ 36 – I really see no reason to jump too quickly. He may still be looking for work in MAY.
March 13th, 2020 at 6:45 pm
I’m eating leftover
March 13th, 2020 at 6:47 pm
Xavier Rhodes was just released today too. There’s a few options out there. Definitely could use a veteran in that position group.
March 13th, 2020 at 6:50 pm
Imo , Bucs should get a veteran safety. Instead of corner. Or are you worry the youngsters didn’t progress to take over full Time?
March 13th, 2020 at 7:15 pm
El Buco Realisto Says:
March 13th, 2020 at 4:03 pm
@813buffoon
What, more roster changes????? So much for coaches “coaching up”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And lest you know have learned!!!!!! But you know I “had to teach you”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
go bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!
There can be coaching players up that can be coached, but it takes a great coach to know when a player can’t be coached. Taking over a business and making it a success is multiple stages, first you cut what you know is obvious points that show immediate progression. Then you coach the staff on what your vision or the vision of the company is, giving them the chance to learn how to become better assets to the company. Once you give them ample chance to prove themselves you cut and replace those that aren’t best for the company.
March 13th, 2020 at 7:28 pm
@Bucsfan77
And their won’t be much of the company left on opening day kickoff!!!!!!!!! Which is will be a far cry from the “playoff roster” that the sheep said repeatedly that Coach Koetter had!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Truth is Revealed, and the sheep were all wrong as usual!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
go bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 13th, 2020 at 7:48 pm
That’s not necessarily true, you can succeed more with a well organized team that plays as a unit even with less talent than a team of all probowlers playing as individuals.
March 13th, 2020 at 7:51 pm
Your staff is only as good as their leader, a good leader will know what motivates each individual and adjust thier relationship so you get the best out of that person
March 13th, 2020 at 8:03 pm
interesting that hargrievances couldn’t stick with the texans…
because they obviously knew they were dumping joseph…
it’ll be interesting to see if hargreaves the cheerleader will be in the league next season
March 13th, 2020 at 8:38 pm
Xavier Rhodes cut too. Bad year but was it an aberration?? Either way, multiple pro bowls…2 years removed from being a top 3 or 4 CB
March 13th, 2020 at 9:24 pm
I’ll take a Pro Bowl vet to compete in a young Bowels secondary. One year deal.
March 13th, 2020 at 9:42 pm
Remember when Xavier Rhodes was freelancing and not doing what the Vikings coaches told him to do? We don’t need another Brent Grimes around our young and impressionable DB’s. Joseph might work out in a mentor role, though.
March 13th, 2020 at 9:47 pm
Best corner in the league in my opinion
March 13th, 2020 at 10:12 pm
We need to upgrade or backup or safeties more than we need a corner back this maybe upcoming season. Bowles is using the corners the way they should be and they will get better this way.
Safety backup was thin.
March 13th, 2020 at 10:30 pm
“Johnathan Joseph was cut by the Texans”…
That was a team that was so desperate for secondary help it signed VH3 and played him a lot.
We cut VH3 because he couldn’t play for us.
I get having a vet, and I know team depth doesn’t mean an individual isn’t any good. But I’d rather just stick with our core that was having success at the end of last year rather than signing some old guy who was fast when Y2K was still trending.
But, it’s just a depth corner spot so I’m not going to go nuts if they did get him – it just doesn’t make a lot of sense to me. If you want a vet for leadership, then sign Ronde to a player/coach deal.
March 13th, 2020 at 10:56 pm
I’m not hot in the pants for a veteran corner. I’ve always liked Carlton. He can flat out cover that aren’t going away. Dean looks like the real deal. I do think a adding a vet is a good idea. But moreso I wanna see us add another rookie in the later draft. Keep that position strong for the future.
March 13th, 2020 at 11:01 pm
Also rather focus our free agency spending on definite starting holes.
Talking RT, RB, S…….which is in addition to signing our DL and oh yeah we need a QB too.
Get all that and if we still got enough cash to sign this player I’ll jump in the pool with Jason.
March 13th, 2020 at 11:14 pm
The Bucs absolutely cannot ignore DBs in free agency just because the defense started playing well against weaker opponents later in the year. Recency bias will have you think this defense is good (And it might be but still unknown)
We can’t just pretend the Jamal Dean Seattle tape doesn’t exist cause it’s a red flag.
March 13th, 2020 at 11:28 pm
Secondary is fixed …just needs an off-season to bring out the leaders…add whatever we need thru the draft (free-safety) round 2 …round 5 draft best speed corner left on board and coach him up !!! IN TODD I TRUST!!
March 13th, 2020 at 11:29 pm
If Dominik likes him, pass.
March 13th, 2020 at 11:36 pm
CBs take injuries and you can never have too many good ones. Give him a shot.
March 14th, 2020 at 7:35 am
Bucsfan951 Says:
“Can he throw less than 30 ints? Asking for a friend.”
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Considering he is a CB….. yes, probably.