“Your Brain And Your Heart Are Very Hard To Evaluate Until You Get’em”
January 12th, 2020
One of the most interesting assessments of America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, came from inside the walls of One Buc Palace about eight weeks ago.
And it’s especially interesting in the shadow of comments from head coach Bruce Arians.
Like any first-year head coach, Arians had the extreme challenge of figuring out what his roster was really made of. Yeah, there’s film, but then there is being around players every day. Big difference.
“Your brain and your heart are very hard to evaluate until you get’em,” told Buccaneers.com for a season review video.
What about Jameis? What’s his brain like?
“He’s an extremely smart guy,” QB coach Clyde Christensen said in mid-November. “Remembers things, you know, I think probably the biggest positive for him is just his mind and his memory. He remembers everything. He remembers film. He remembers pass pays. I think his memory and his recall of things is the thing that’s probably most impressive.”
Ok. So the Jameis brain is good. Check!
What about the heart? Bucs fans know Jameis plays almost with too much heart at times, sacrificing his body and taking extreme measures to make a play. And playing through a broken thumb on his throwing hand for several games late in the season surely was under the definition of heart.
So the heart is strong, and everyone at One Buc Palace swears Jameis has an unmatched work ethic.
Man, keeping Jameis sure seems like a simple decision on the surface for Arians and Team Glazer. He busts his butt, plays with heart and is brilliant.
Throw in the raw talent and just turning 26 years old, and that’s a five-pronged combination that screams, “Don’t give up on the guy!”
But then there’s the many mistakes from a brilliant player who’s working and trying his ass off — a bad combination. And Jameis has had scant success in the leadership department. Perhaps he’s just done all he can and is just too mistake-prone to be great?
Joe has to assume Arians wants Jameis back. Arians likely gave Jameis strong grades for “brain” and “heart,” and Joe guesses Arians’ ego is advising him he’s almost there with Jameis and that the quarterback whisperer didn’t come to Tampa to give up on a guy racking up all kinds of numbers.
Joe thinks the bigger question is whether Team Glazer has given up on their unpopular QB.
January 12th, 2020 at 12:37 pm
The team knows Winston has lost games for them and continues the same mistakes, despite five years of promises.
That is why no one views him as a leader: there is nothing to follow, his words have become hollow, and too weak to swallow. 😉
January 12th, 2020 at 12:44 pm
Watching Tennessee put it on Baltimore last night was sad for Bucs fans.
We ahoulda beat the Titans back in October but OH YEAH………….Jameis turned the ball over FOUR TIMES. SMDH
January 12th, 2020 at 12:46 pm
Joe! Thinking back, all the way back to Doug, our fan always been split on the QB. Can you remember a QB that the fans were all in on? I can’t. Maybe Garcia. That being said, I doubt if the Glazers have their fingers on the fans’ pulse in making their decision whether or not to keep JW.
January 12th, 2020 at 12:50 pm
So I guess SB is just going to gnore that the head coach said in his press conference that none of the TOs in that Tenn. game were on Jameis? See things like this are what pisses people off. Just flat out lying despite everyone knowing the truth. You have zero creditability SB, ZERO!!
January 12th, 2020 at 12:51 pm
Give Jameis a 2nd year with Arians (ie 2nd year is when Palmer took off) and a top 10 run game and I’m betting he will be top 10 in passer rating.
January 12th, 2020 at 12:52 pm
I don’t think having a running game is a quick fix, or what Jameis “needs” to be better. His first 4 throws in a game are usually when he is at his worse.
He doesn’t see the big picture and doesn’t know when to “not” throw it.
He can make all the throws, but he just doesn’t see the “whole” field. I don’t think it is his eye sight.
There is a little game where you open a page of objects and quickly close it. Some ppl can tell you everything that was on the page, Jameis would probably do horrible on that and get one or two correct… Not facts, just a thought….
January 12th, 2020 at 12:52 pm
The only way Arians came here was he makes the call on Winston and not the Glazers. So I firmly believe it will be up to Arians in which I hope he brings Jameis back due to all your points Joe. Go Bucs!
January 12th, 2020 at 12:55 pm
Pretty sure the three fumbles of which two were lost weren’t on Winston either huh Ndog. Smdh
January 12th, 2020 at 1:13 pm
I can agree to everything else but I cant agree that someone who continually makes the same mistake, over and over, is brilliant.
January 12th, 2020 at 1:16 pm
SB,
the first fumble in Tennessee was either on Marpet or Jensen. Winston was looking to set protections and didn’t call for the snap. Go to YOUTUBE and watch the LG and C on the play. Hell Marpet wasn’t even set he was looking at Winston when Jensen snapped it.
The second fumble is on the LT when he lets his man hit the QB from behind. This happens to every QB when they get hit from behind while attempting to throw.
The last interception was with about 25 seconds, no time outs and starting from the Bucs own 25. They need a TD. I guess you would rather just see 4 incompletetions instead of taking a shot downfield or maybe a short pass to the back and let the clock run out.
The first interception was either a bad throw or a bad route. IDK.
You guys are like FAKE news just parroting what you hear over and over like lemmings.
BTW, the Iranians shot down the plane and finally admitted it. I’m sure you were not aware listening to fake news.
January 12th, 2020 at 1:18 pm
Winston just turned 26 yrs old, but is still immature and I believe gets too excited at times especially the start of games. We need to run some roll outs or QB draws and let Winston run off that energy or just take a good hit from the defense to calm him down before calling too many pass plays.
January 12th, 2020 at 1:32 pm
Thanks Dapostman that’s exactly right on the fumbles so no they weren’t on Winston SB no matter how much you want them to be. You’re so sad bro, twisting the truth to fit your narrative. People can get away with that crap on a national scale but you see we actually watch the games so that bullspit won’t fly here.
January 12th, 2020 at 1:33 pm
Dapost
If you do a word association with Any football fan in America and ask them to say one word after you say Jameis Winston and they will all say “Turnover”
Don’t know some Bucs fans try to make excuses for him.
“The second fumble is on the LT when he lets his man hit the QB from behind. This happens to every QB when they get hit from behind while attempting to throw.”
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I mean that is just a Hilarious statement. If it happened to ‘every QB’ then JW wouldn’t Lead the NFL in fumbles. Duuh
Why can’t some of you see what the rest of the world already knows?
January 12th, 2020 at 1:34 pm
‘ You’re so sad bro, twisting the truth to fit your narrative.’
LOL it is not ‘my’ narrative. It is THE narrative. The National narrative.
January 12th, 2020 at 1:36 pm
As I have said MANY MANY times. I have supported JW all along and will continue to support him as long as he is wearing our ugly unis.
However I will not do so blindly.
January 12th, 2020 at 1:41 pm
SB,
word association? That’s opinion based not factual. See when i read SB i think lemming. Is this a fact? You tell me.
So funny to read your posts. Word association is your rebuttal. Thanks for the Sunday entertainment.
January 12th, 2020 at 1:55 pm
“Lots of very very good and lots of very very bad.” – Bruce Arians
Just figured I’d put this here for the ones who like to quote the coach.
We all know the fan boys give him all the credit for the good and blame everyone else for the bad. Its never Jameis’s fault. The unluckiest QB who ever lived.
January 12th, 2020 at 1:59 pm
So…..which is it……Jameis has the unique ability to completely forget what just happened and “keep firing”……or Jameis remembers everything?
Is it sort of like Ted Bundy…..he remembered every single detail of every victim….and went out and did it again and again.
As we say in the South…..”Something isn’t quite right with that boy”
TBBF Disclaimer (“Boy” not intended to be a racial slur)
January 12th, 2020 at 2:01 pm
JW seemed to have a running game and stout defense in the last game against ATL and with Gay’s help still managed to lose the game. That’s who he is so quit finding excuses. Bucs will probably tag him to see what another year in BAs system can yield but the leash should be extremely short. No long term deal!
January 12th, 2020 at 2:07 pm
SB……In all fairness Jamie’s Winston’s fumbling issues have been eliminated from his game. He was not protect in the ball well(in reguards to fumbles) at the start of the season but improved throughout the season and his fumble problem is a thing of the past now. Gotta credit the coaching staff for helping fix this problem.
Dapostman is correct. The first fumble was a bad snap. The one they blame on the LT is more 50/50 in mine opinion. Yes the Left Tackle got beat but pocket awareness is a real thing in the NFL……Winston certainly could have felt the pressure and avoided the hit. It is asking a lot and avoiding every play like that is just not realistic. It’s part of the game……..But I think what we can take away from that play is it was not a product of a QB being reckless with the football. The reckless plays are the ones we don’t see from Winston no more. Those are the ones that drove me to near insanity.
January 12th, 2020 at 2:10 pm
TBBF … Nice save.
January 12th, 2020 at 2:20 pm
Anyways…….The honest truth is that we did actually win the Tennessee game. Some body somewhere cheated. I do not consider that a loss.
Fourth quarter.
-Game changing INT taken away on a bad call.
-Another game changing INT taken away on a bad call.
-Third bad call to take away yet another INT.
-Tittans given free FG where they never made a play. Only yards gained were bad pentalties benefiting only the Titans.
-Right after free FG Bucs receive bad 1st down holding call that essientially ruined our drive.
-Devin White makes perhaps the greatest play of that decade for a game winning TD and the refs take it away for no absolute good reason.
I’m sorry but there is no way to win a football game under those conditions of blatent cheating.
On a personal note I was cheated as I had the Bucs on the money line for that game. I will never bet another dime on a football game again in my life(unless between friends). I did not watch another non-Bucs football game for the rest of the season. Being the helpless sheep that I am I am now watching the playoffs. Will refuse to watch any regular season non-Bucs football if officiating remains to be as awaful as it has been.
**END RANT**
January 12th, 2020 at 2:20 pm
Great improvement in Bucs defense this year. Great going Bucs! Now it’s time to take a vast step up in the running game. Go OT and RB respectively in rounds 1 and 2 in the draft! Go Bucs!!
January 12th, 2020 at 2:26 pm
Watching the final games of the Bucs season and the Titans playoff game yesterday, can’t help but to wander if Arians would have not played to JW mental insecurities and gotten a backup QB to replace JW, could the Bucs have had a similar season and maybe even in the playoffs…
January 12th, 2020 at 2:42 pm
Winston is garbage, check your sheet he can’t read a defense…
January 12th, 2020 at 3:01 pm
Excuse me Tye but do you understand football even a little bit? Please show is all the NFL rushing leader that currently plays for the Bucs? You think we win that game, heck any, game by throwing only 14 passes? If you think we could score more than 10 points throwing the ball 14 times with our current offensive personal then you sir are delusion.
January 12th, 2020 at 3:01 pm
It is appalling that some here suggest Winston’s color has anything to do with why fans in this area aren’t exactly lining up to see him play. His numbers are plenty to judge him on. That’s stupid and sad to even be said. Next, it is quite telling of the national view of Winston that I do not see any blogs, local media, or NFL analysts screaming to sign this free agent. None. If anything else, the playoff games we’ve seen so far certainly point to the fact that turnovers kill. The Bucs would never be 10-6 (maybe just good enough to get a wild card berth) much less win a playoff game. Pretty sure the Glazers regret wasting the #1 overall pick on Winston, and he’s done nothing but bite the hands that feed him…with turnovers and off field character issues that he brough to Tampa after all the baggage at FSU. No reason they would want him back now. They can sleep at night knowing they didn’t give up on him (when really they should have two years ago). Then he made them bad again by handing the other team the last two games of the season…to further drive the fans away.
January 12th, 2020 at 3:16 pm
The ATM will never win the Super Bowl for the Bucs. No way he stops throwing game losing interceptions, especially against a playoff team that will prey on his weakness and propensity for giving up the pick. Move on people. It aint about yards, it’s about wins and we don’t have enough of them to justify keeping the ATM. Go Bucs!
January 12th, 2020 at 3:17 pm
^^^^^^ By not turning the ball over 4 times thereby giving them four extra scoring opportunities. Geesh talk about not understanding football.
You should stick to professional Sewing. Lol
January 12th, 2020 at 3:18 pm
Last post was directed at NDog
January 12th, 2020 at 3:20 pm
LOL!
Nothing is better than watching home teams choke in the playoffs – the fans are fantastic to watch as they cry… I love it.
January 12th, 2020 at 3:21 pm
SB quick question if you don’t score how do you win?
January 12th, 2020 at 3:22 pm
If Winston is down 14-0 only 5 minutes into the 1st quarter, you know for a fact that the game isn’t going to be a blowout, he’s going to bring his team back and at least make it competitive.
Can Mahomes do that?…
Sure, of course he can…
But now add in it’s the playoffs and Andy Reid is his coach….
Now you’re not so sure, are you…
January 12th, 2020 at 3:24 pm
Im so tired of him. If we keep him, i’ll pull for him of course, but man….i look at these QB’s that have come out the last 3 years and taking their teams far. As evidenced by the Titans yesterday, we just need a QB whose accurate and makes smart plays (Yes i know they have a better run game and play calling too)….we dont need 5000 yds per season.
But its amazing how they moved on from Mariotta and now 1 win away from the SB.
January 12th, 2020 at 3:24 pm
@SB Says:
“Watching Tennessee put it on Baltimore last night was sad for Bucs fans….”
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It was,… week six the HC Vrabel, young, with ambitions, with vison… made the move and changed the QB, with a guy that Miami didn’t want.
Our HC, 67, no big success in his short HC carrier, want to prove that he can fix what is failing for 5 years.
Organization + GM with no vision, thinking only for the present…..
BA got no desire to give chance to second QB, even when JW through 4 interceptions….
All these images makes you sad…. no second on NFL…. how you can talk or think about the future…. when you have a grumpy old man with no ideas as HC…so depressing….
BA = LovieS 2.0
January 12th, 2020 at 3:24 pm
“Ndog Says:
January 12th, 2020 at 3:21 pm
SB quick question if you don’t score how do you win?”
Winning the game is secondary to winning the turnover column.
As we know you can’t win if you turn the ball over, that’s what the 1960s coaches handbook says and so it must be true. So even if you technically “win” the game, you still really lost…
That’s deep.
January 12th, 2020 at 3:26 pm
Ndog Says:
January 12th, 2020 at 3:21 pm
SB quick question if you don’t score how do you win?
Score was 23 to 27. SOooooo We scored 23
They scored 13 points off of turnovers
Do you even math bro??
January 12th, 2020 at 3:29 pm
Yes so that game was on Jensen, D. Smith, Perriman and Godwin for their mistakes causing those TOs. What’s your point?
January 12th, 2020 at 3:30 pm
There’s alot of “smart” people out there that don’t have enough sense to check the oil in their car.
Maybe Winston is one of those really smart people that has no common sense? I don’t know, to listen to him talk he doesn’t exactly me as brilliant. I know he doesn’t have a filter and doesn’t have much in the self control area, especially when being told “No”.
Could it be that his psyche is so fragile that he has to be constantly propped up by everyone around him?
I don’t know the answer to any of this, what I do know is it isn’t normal for a QB to constantly throw interceptions on the first or second pass of multiple games. It isn’t normal for a NFL QB to loft comeback routes over and over again and watch them get picked for TD’s without learning to put some muscle into those throws.
He looks to me like a punch drunk boxer that is just in the ring to collect a check. Getting knocked out doesn’t bother him anymore as long as the check clears. Watch one of the elite QB’s after they throw an interception, they are disgusted with themselves because they know they screwed up. Winston just trots off the field like it was bound to happen sooner or later.
January 12th, 2020 at 3:30 pm
Madmax one question could any QB throw the ball only 14 with our current team and win a game vs a playoff team?
January 12th, 2020 at 3:31 pm
LOLOL Keep hugging the nuts of the man that leads the league by a LARGE Margin since he came into the league.
It is Always someone else’s fault for his TOs I know I get it ]
You are a trip.
Joe needs to add “The Founding Member of the 30/30 Club” to his list of JW monikers.
103 Turnovers in 5 years but it is Everyone else’s fault. ROTFLMMFAO
January 12th, 2020 at 3:32 pm
Rodney Munch Says:
January 12th, 2020 at 3:20 pm
LOL!
Nothing is better than watching home teams choke in the playoffs – the fans are fantastic to watch as they cry… I love it.
I particularly love watching the Cowboys lose at home…..Jerry Jones up in his sky box distraught….makes my sports weekend…..
January 12th, 2020 at 3:33 pm
Ndog Says:
January 12th, 2020 at 3:30 pm
Madmax one question could any QB throw the ball only 14 with our current team and win a game vs a playoff team?
We scored 23 points while only throwing the ball 14 times!!!!!!!!
They scored 10 off of our Turnovers.
Your point is pointless
January 12th, 2020 at 3:34 pm
“MadMax Says: But its amazing how they moved on from Mariotta and now 1 win away from the SB.”
Mariota literally couldn’t throw the ball more than 3 yards downfield so teams stacked the line against the run.
What you’re saying is you wish you had the NFL’s top rusher, possibility the NFL’s best offensive line and a really good defense… OK great, maybe in 5 years we can have that after yet another rebuild.
No thanks, I don’t have another 5-years to waste on yet another rebuild.
January 12th, 2020 at 3:36 pm
SB are you on crack what are you even talking about? I am talking about the Bucs vs Titans game this year?
January 12th, 2020 at 3:36 pm
“Tampabaybucfan Says:
I particularly love watching the Cowboys lose at home…..Jerry Jones up in his sky box distraught….makes my sports weekend…..”
Watching him in the luxury box in week 17 watching the Eagles game in the background was pretty good entertainment – but I really like seeing the actual fans literally crying and just seeing hundreds of sad faces where you can see people asking themselves why they wasted hundreds and hundreds of dollars on their tickets, it’s fantastic.
January 12th, 2020 at 3:38 pm
Wow you really are dumb.
January 12th, 2020 at 3:40 pm
^ thanks SB.
Ndog, reading comprehension is your friend. Read my post again and again and again if need be, your answer is there before you even asked the question.
January 12th, 2020 at 3:40 pm
If Winston was down 21-0 in the first, I know for a fact this game is a one score game in the 4th quarter.
Can league MVP Mahomes do the same?
I actually think he can – in particular with VH3 on the field.
But that Andy Reid playoff choke rep is legit.
We shall see.
January 12th, 2020 at 3:41 pm
If you look at our 9 losses this year 6 of them were to playoff teams. No excuses but the fact remains we had a really difficult schedule this year. (49ers, Saints x2, Titans, Texans, Seahawks)
January 12th, 2020 at 3:42 pm
Madmax and SB not only proving to be football CLUELESS but now just plain overall CLUELESS.
January 12th, 2020 at 3:42 pm
“SB Says
They scored 10 off of our Turnovers.”
How many points did we score off their turnovers… you know, before the screwjob took place.
January 12th, 2020 at 3:43 pm
Not sure where your 14 times throwing the ball comes from. I never even looked at the throwing stats so I was assuming you were implying that we only threw the ball 14 times.
Regardless of how many times we threw the ball (43) actually we scored 23 points and 13 of their points came off of TOs
So adjusted score is probably 23 to 17. Bucs win the game if they don’t turn it over 4 times
January 12th, 2020 at 3:43 pm
“We should have kept Bryan Anger
what a weapon
field position is a hidden key to winning games…Kobe Analytics
would have won minimum 2 extra games this year with Bryan Anger”
Kobe Faker
January 12th, 2020 at 3:44 pm
“SB Says
They scored 10 off of our Turnovers.”
How many points did we score off their turnovers… you know, before the screwjob took place.
Just looked it up. They turned the ball over once and we scored zip
January 12th, 2020 at 3:45 pm
Rod, you’ll be surprised how much one change at QB does for a team. It doesnt mean automatic 3-5 year rebuild. Also, shifting O line players. I remember when the Ravens (or someone) did that and they improved greatly and won the SB.
We almost have enough talent. Some pieces added and some shifting and we’re there.
January 12th, 2020 at 3:46 pm
One thing I think we can all agree on… If this was the Bucs instead of KC, everyone would be blaming Winston for the team being down 21-0.
Heck, I’m pretty sure half the triggered idiots on this site will blame Winston for KC being down 21-0.
January 12th, 2020 at 3:46 pm
Anyways time to enjoy the game without posting. Enjoy the rest of your weekend Fellas.
January 12th, 2020 at 3:48 pm
Brett Favre was the founding member of the 20/29 club…
January 12th, 2020 at 3:48 pm
Ndog, thats your problem. Call people clueless and dumb who disagree with you or challenge you….easy way out i guess for people who cant argue well and get all emotional like a little girl…..carry on.
January 12th, 2020 at 3:51 pm
Hmmm … the coaches actually in the Play Offs are using TE’s early and often….
January 12th, 2020 at 3:51 pm
SB actually the Titans turned the ball over 4 times. Somebody had to cheat to take 3 of them away. One taken away twice on two simultaneous rotten calls.
One of the turnovers for sure we scored 7 off of when Devin White forced the fumble for a TD.
January 12th, 2020 at 3:58 pm
MadMax – The kicker literally lost 2 games last year, two games that were 100% on the kicker. Then the refs in Tennessee completely screwed the team. Also, no, that doesn’t happen to everyone.
The team is 10-6 with competent kicking and the refs not f-ing us.
If they’re 10-6, you’re not calling for the team to be blown up.
In addition to that if there isn’t a defensive collapse in Seattle, the team is 11-5.
Should, woulda, coulda – sure. But the team is literally that close to be a playoff team.
If you want to go further, look at the Texans game. Give Winston back Godwin and Evans – is he really trying to force the ball to Dare at the end of the game when the Texans know all they have to do is cover Perriman and there’s no one else on the team that can catch the ball? Are the Bucs even in that situation if Brate doesn’t drop a huge 4th down conversion on the prior drive?
This was the first year of a new offense and a new defense – and early on the defense didn’t play well. Meanwhile Winston had, I believe, 10 INTs after losing Evans, and at least 7 after losing Evans and Godwin. Losing your two all-pro receivers is a big deal when the offense doesn’t use the TE spot and you only have one NFL level receiver left on the team.
As for Winston his career high in INT’s prior to this year is 18, that was in year 2, when the team went 9-7. After 18, those numbers dropped to 11 and 14. Winston’s INTs will return to normal AND the team will still score all those points. If that doesn’t happen, then Winston will be gone, Arians will be gone and the team will be blown up once again.
I mean IF Arians talks Luck in returning and the Bucs could work out a deal with Indy, then sure, I can see making a move. But thinking signing Andy Dalton is going to fix everything is insane.
January 12th, 2020 at 4:02 pm
Just tuned in … mahomes is losing the game ? Wow. And his going to command 40m a yr. not good.
Yes Jameis has a brain and a heart and to eyes too. He uses his brains but not sure he uses his eyes.
January 12th, 2020 at 4:03 pm
Smart QB doesn’t matter with stupid play caller!
January 12th, 2020 at 4:04 pm
We agree Rod….and ive never wanted Dalton so i dont know where you got that from.
But heres the deal….kicker was a 5th round pick in his rookie year. JW #1 overall in year 4. Come on man.
January 12th, 2020 at 4:04 pm
Two eyes he don’t uses. Doesn’t he have vision problems. ? Bingo.
January 12th, 2020 at 4:06 pm
It’s Winston’s fault that KC is losing and has ruined everyone’s Sunday with another boring playoff game.
January 12th, 2020 at 4:08 pm
Chiefs will win. Make no mistake. Chiefs offense is built to bomb away. Come back and some. The question is can the Texans keep moving the ball.
Winston would of Tie the game already.
January 12th, 2020 at 4:09 pm
Winston= I’m going to give you 14pts and come back and beat you to make it fair.
January 12th, 2020 at 4:10 pm
Being book, or film, smart doesn’t have a thing to do with being able to make quick decisions. That is where Jameis falls down, he doesn’t make good decisions.
What does playing with a cracked thumb have to do with heart? I would say it is part of the psychosis of Jameis. It is a fear of his to have competition. He can’t handle it. It hurts him worse to see his backup QB play than it does to chuck interceptions and lose games.
Why do you think Fitz was let go?
January 12th, 2020 at 4:11 pm
Jordan Love with our first pick….no matter if we franchise JW or sign a vet….its time to move on. We cant do a full rebuild and only have so much time to keep the talent we have. I know most of you dont see it, just like with Big V or D. White when i saw both of those, along with Marpet and Godwin.
I also saw us moving on from freefree 2yrs before it actually happened. JW will be lucky to get anything from anyone for over 20 mill a year….BET ON IT!
January 12th, 2020 at 4:12 pm
Winston has become too polarizing of a QB to the point where you can’t have an actual civil discussion about him as a QB.
The anti Jameis crowd never wanna talk about how historically bad the defense has been throughout his career or the 30 TDs or 5,000 yards.
The pro Jameis crowd usually don’t like to bring up turnovers.
I think most logical football people without a Jameis agenda understand that without a legitimate starter for the 2020 season you have to bring JW back for next year given his production.
January 12th, 2020 at 4:12 pm
No way KC comes back with that Houston D.
January 12th, 2020 at 4:13 pm
Without a legitimate replacement option* I should say
January 12th, 2020 at 4:14 pm
“MadMax Says:
January 12th, 2020 at 4:04 pm
We agree Rod….and ive never wanted Dalton so i dont know where you got that from.
But heres the deal….kicker was a 5th round pick in his rookie year. JW #1 overall in year 4. Come on man.”
So again lets go over this… With the year that Winston had, in which he was the NFL’s leading passer, headed the 3rd highest scoring team in the NFL, shattered all team records for offense… just became only the 6th QB all time to have more than 5,000 yards… and all at the age of just 25…
Well you think he was so bad he should be out… right?
For what exactly? Who replaces him?
Also, as I said above, have your kicker make his kicks and have the refs not f us – and the team is 10-6, WITH the exact same QB play that you think is so awful.
You see the point is Winston wasn’t bad this year, you can literally look to all his record breaking numbers and see that. Instead you’re focusing on just one stat and pretending all the good stuff could have been done by Trent Dilfer or Mike Glennon.
January 12th, 2020 at 4:16 pm
If Mahomes can get this tied up by halftime, he’d be right there with Winston.
January 12th, 2020 at 4:17 pm
Well, i take that back if theyre gonna do a stupid punt fake that deep in their end.
January 12th, 2020 at 4:18 pm
Vinny is the founder of the 13/35 club.
January 12th, 2020 at 4:19 pm
I think .. the way the defense played the last acouple of games and Evans. Godwin playing. Of course king jameis thumb healthy we would of won the last 2-3 games. Hands down.
January 12th, 2020 at 4:19 pm
No my problem is people that are CLUELESS running their mouths, that’s my problem.
January 12th, 2020 at 4:20 pm
Winston is to blame for this collapse by the Texans.
January 12th, 2020 at 4:25 pm
Again Rod, trying to put words in my mouth and say im thinking this guy or that guy will be better than JW….come on man. I dont get you people. You have to pretend someone is saying something or thinking something and then REACT to it like they actually said it!!! you’re a trip. I wouldve never pegged you as that type, but whatever.
A lot of those JW yards, garbage time against garbage teams, and then here’s the kicker….LOOK AT OUR RECEIVING CORP!!! But nooooo, take everything away from them, that was all JW….THOSE AMAZING CATCHES THAT JW WILLED WITH HIS MIND!!!!
Thats why ive said someone else, whose ALSO able to QB with what we have, but smarter and with better decision making.
January 12th, 2020 at 4:27 pm
“Hey Gump, We need to trade our 1st round pick for Travis Kelce
That guy is perfect for our blocking scheme”
BSer
January 12th, 2020 at 4:27 pm
Maybe Jameis is learning something from these good QBs
January 12th, 2020 at 4:29 pm
MadMax – You seem to have a persecution complex, I literally didn’t put any words.
Also what stats exactly were done in garbage time, when the team was out of it? Give me a list, I’d love to see it.
If you want to point to garbage stats, it’s stuff like the Saints home game, when the team was out of it, down multiple scores with 5 mins left and Winston throws 2 INTs trying to will the team back into the game. But those garbage stats don’t help your argument, so I notice you didn’t you include them.
But garbage stats that inflated Winston’s good stats? What were they exactly?
January 12th, 2020 at 4:29 pm
LOL, Ndog, thats all you do on here is run your mouth, name call, belittle….but its expected from you, i know how you are, low emotional girly IQ….i go days at times without posting and have no problem with disagreements of my opinions.
January 12th, 2020 at 4:29 pm
No Kobe, late pick 6’s would have lost both those games.
January 12th, 2020 at 4:31 pm
So funny…his brain might be good. and his heart might be good. But considering all the interceptions? Something is sure the heck wrong. Maybe he doesn’t process information fast enough? We could speculate, but something isn’t right.
January 12th, 2020 at 4:32 pm
I watch the games too Rod and dont have time to go find them. Many here have also said it. Its not to take away from his amazing throws, but then again, many times those were amazing catches too.
January 12th, 2020 at 4:34 pm
Tbbucc3,
Nailed it with legitimate starter!
I won’t answer for anyone else but, the 5000yds is an amazing accomplishment . Even more so when it’s looked as a stand alone stat. When you put it with other stats It’s not as impressive and if you believe that there’s a correlation between yds and wins , you’ll come away with , with what many fans conclude, the idea that those numbers were nothing more than meaningless yds because situational football
January 12th, 2020 at 4:35 pm
Max no I’m just done wasting my time with people who will just never get it. Your completely lost posts over and over and over and over and over and over and over again show no matter what anyone says or proves you won’t get it. BTW to close the book, the reference to the 14 throws was in regards to the number of throws Tenn. had last night in their win, since you were acting like a new QB could “help” us like Tannehill and his robust 14 throws did last night And SB for you to think we ever threw the ball 14 times in a game this past year I can’t imagine you actually watched any of our games. This is what pisses me off you guys spew your nonsense and you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
January 12th, 2020 at 4:38 pm
Here’s something I learned when I was 5, it might help people out.
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me.
The fact that the words hurt culture has taken over in places like a sports talk site, it’s pretty disgusting.
If someone calls you stupid… and you’re offended by that, it’s most likely because you think you’re stupid. If someone calls you a cupcake, and you’re angry about that, it’s probably because you spend your weeknights trolling interstate rest stops. If you don’t, then you literally wouldn’t care.
Coming up with a perfect insult at the perfect time is fun to read, someone calling someone else stupid when they say something stupid is something you should cheer.
Everyone needs to just realize that calling people names is part of the fun of being a man and talking sports. When that happens, we can all get along.
January 12th, 2020 at 4:41 pm
What am i not getting Ndog? Im expressing my opinion and it triggers you because you disagree and cant handle it. Thats all i see.
Know what else i get? Youre not “done wasting time with people”….ROFLMAO….you and that low emotional girly IQ wont allow it. Youve said it too many times and come right back….LOL, its hilarious. But be done with me if you will, id appreciate that. I skip over most of your posts anyway.
January 12th, 2020 at 4:41 pm
Ndog
tries to use 1 game out of 70 to make a point about Jameis but what about the 42 losses out of the other 69 starts?
JW’s .400 win % would only be considered great if it were a baseball batters average.
But, ..somehow, in his sixth season, now possibly sucking in 15% of the cap, he’ll pull it all together and be worth the investment?
One thing going for NDog, and the rest of you who keep wanting to give him more chances to disappoint. you’ve got Licht in your corner. As long as Jameis 1of1 remains the GM, Jameis ain’t going nowhere. So in essence you win the Jameis debate by default. Congrats. Hope it all works out but call me skeptical.
January 12th, 2020 at 4:44 pm
Im with you there Rod….its why i participate a little.
January 12th, 2020 at 4:45 pm
Why do you guys even respond to Neverdog and butt munch
They think everyone else is triggered
They think they know football
😂
January 12th, 2020 at 4:49 pm
Winston is to blame for Fairbairn missing that FG.
January 12th, 2020 at 4:49 pm
“JW’s .400 win % would only be considered great if it were a baseball batters average.”
Again, you guys never wanna talk about the defense over the last 5 years meanwhile the offense has had no problem moving the ball and scoring points.
January 12th, 2020 at 4:52 pm
Fun fact: Winston has had the worst kicking game in football since 2015. Winston has had the worst defense in football since 2015. Winston has played the hardest schedule in football since 2016.
But yeah, it’s all on Winston.
LOL!
January 12th, 2020 at 4:53 pm
I’m beginning to question whether Winston is at least partly responsible for the downing of that Ukrainian Passenger Jet…….
And, SF’s homeless problem…..
January 12th, 2020 at 4:55 pm
Wild game in Kansas City. And it the perfect ‘rub your noses in it’ moment to all the clowns who watched the games last week and said “See, see….offense doesn’t win playoff football. It’s all about running and defense”…….The Chiefs are quite literally taking that theory, chewing it up and spitting it back in your own faces.
Thuth is there is no one for ula how to build a team and win in this league. Tonight will feature another dynamic offense with the Seahawks & we’ll be interesting to see what approach Green Bay takes with their balanced team……which they historically have not been.
Also, correct any facts that I get wrong here but wasn’t it not the same city, Houston(Oilers), that suffered one of the most brutal playoff losses of all time when they gagged up a 28 point lead to Buffalo in the early 90’s……..Dang that gotta sting to have it done twice to you. Maybe not as bad as the SB choke the Falcons had a few years back though…..hahahaha
January 12th, 2020 at 4:55 pm
I’m not triggered by an opinion, I am triggered by you flat lying to make your point. I get it when you have no ammo I guess you have no choice but to make crap up.
January 12th, 2020 at 4:56 pm
Mahomes 12/22, 143 yards, 4 TDs…
Anti-Winston crowd with the same stat line in a half…
Winston barely completely half his throws and had at least 5 should have been interceptions and his team is only up by 4. If we had a better QB who knew not to throw the ball so hard all those early dropped passes would have been competitions and we’d be up by 30.
January 12th, 2020 at 4:57 pm
But we don’t want to talk about a QB who continually put pressure on his own weak defense. Not just turnovers but with too many punts as well. A pedestrian 61% lifetime completion rate which ranks at the bottom among starting QB’s.
January 12th, 2020 at 5:01 pm
Point out the lies and “made up” that ive done Ndog!! You cant because i didnt say them….Geeze, you are really something! Whew, i really hope you’re stable in society with a decent home and work life.
January 12th, 2020 at 5:01 pm
Hey and not to mention that a top tier defense and one of the greatest rushing attacks in NFL history got throttled last night. A big part of that was their QB just does not possession the arm talent to overcome two score deficits. I call it the Mike Vick effect. Awesome to watch and a very unique talent but eventually a QB will have to make some throws in this league to win a title.
Might be just a rare few exceptions in all of history. Manning with the Broncos being one & maybe Dilfer being another. Aside from having one of the greatest defenses to ever walk the earth to carry you…..You darn sure better believe you better have a QB that can make some throws.
January 12th, 2020 at 5:05 pm
^^^dictates the need to pass if behind on the scoreboard.
The 30 ints is another animal in itself. The parsing of who is responsible in an effort to mitigate the overall impact of such a large amount, if it’s done by fans is an exercise in futility. An enormous waste of time.
If there’s an official metric that records the various reasons for a int. created in the future , then it’s a legitimate discussion. Now, it’s akin to a magican who uses slight of hand as a distraction to get you focusing on one thing , while what’s important is happening somewhere else. This idea plays out here daily.
The real issue is exactly what you said, Winston is the starter and I have heard nothing about viable options at this point. The default is winston. Point blank period. The other part is , if anyone believes that simply removing winston is going to transform the team they’re wrong. Winston’s influence on the team will remain for the next few years and there’s no way to change that simple fact. If Winston isn’t here , his influence will remain, but not his ability to contribute to the team.
So what we’re left with is an ex , the negative effects of getting divorced are real and long lasting and no way possible for it to balance out without a period of time to rebuild and recoup. (I had a much more consise and better explanation yesterday)
We are married to winston. A divorce isn’t going to be pain-free, nor will it result in a quick fix.
January 12th, 2020 at 5:08 pm
“Lavonte 1of1 Says:
January 12th, 2020 at 4:57 pm
But we don’t want to talk about a QB who continually put pressure on his own weak defense. Not just turnovers but with too many punts as well. A pedestrian 61% lifetime completion rate which ranks at the bottom among starting QB’s.”
Now not moving the ball is an issue? LOL!
Anywho, you’re literally fake news. The Bucs were 26th in punt attempts.
Also, so you know kiddo, the Bucs play a deep ball offense – they literally have since 2015. If you want a high completion percentage then you run a short game west coast offense. Winston meanwhile has generally been in the top 5 in yards per attempt – since, you know, the Bucs throw deep more than just about anyone, which in turns means your competition % is lower.
It’s amazing how many of the anti-Winston idiots don’t know even the basics about football or just make stuff up.
January 12th, 2020 at 5:09 pm
Matter of fact Ndog, i was on board for bringing JW back until his last 2 or 3 games…i was even defending him. But something about his press conferences didnt sit well with me…then another game or two with int’s to open it sealed it for me. And THOSE are not lies or “made up”. But if you want to think they are, go ahead….no help for you there pal.
January 12th, 2020 at 5:10 pm
“MadMax Says:
January 12th, 2020 at 5:01 pm
Point out the lies and “made up” that ive done Ndog!! ”
You made up the garbage time stats comment – then when called out just said you don’t have time to look it up, but you know it’s true.
That’s textbook making things up.
January 12th, 2020 at 5:11 pm
Anybody that really watched the Bucs V Titian’s game realize Jameis played a great game. To say Jameis was at fault for 4 turnovers and that it was the deciding factor is completely ridiculous. He had one interception that looked like one of those wr option routes that was read one way by the Wr and another by Jameis. The only reason why the Bucs lost that game was because of poor officiating. That quick whistle after the fumble of the big hit on the punter in their fake was just awful. It definitely wasn’t the only bad officiating but decided the outcome.
It’s difficult to take anything SB says seriously after that.
January 12th, 2020 at 5:13 pm
D1 you had me until the divorce mumbo jumbo. Maybe a better comparison should be a stale bag of chips. They will just get staler if you keep eating them. And the taste will stay on you tongue but once you open a new bag and start eating the stale taste goes away.
In my analogy the RB would be the dip. And sometimes you gotta realize plain cheese dip is not very special. Chips taste so much better with Con Queso. But then you need Ruffles so the chips don’t break. The WRs are the beer that washes it all down and the OL is the wet nap that everyone takes for granted.
January 12th, 2020 at 5:17 pm
Ndog, you mention 6 of those 9 losses are to playoff teams. What you don’t grasp is playoff teams…that is, good teams, will take advantage of Winston’s multiple turnovers and beat you with it. SF, CAR2, TEN, NO2, HOU. And guess what. It is RARE to beat a good team when you turn the ball over multiple times. You basically fell into your own trap… The ONLY game losses where Winston’s multiple turnovers weren’t a factor in losses were NYG and NO1.
January 12th, 2020 at 5:17 pm
There’s no one arguing that everything is on winston.
But there is people arguing it’s everything but winston.
The truth can be found by looking at Winston’s play. Is His play top 5 in league?
If the answer is yes, and the win loss record is negative, it’s time to focus on defense, coaching, kickers..etc etc….because it’s not the QB.
If the QB is ranked year after year in the bottom of the league, and the record is less than 8 and 8 then it’s relevant to discuss his individual role .
Is winston playing near perfect , not anywhere close. So he remains in play.
January 12th, 2020 at 5:18 pm
MadMax Says:
January 12th, 2020 at 4:12 pm
No way KC comes back with that Houston D.
January 12th, 2020 at 5:18 pm
Winston’s turnovers and Winston’s turnovers, and they lost multiple games due to it. Period. He doesn’t get his own stats.
January 12th, 2020 at 5:21 pm
“D1 Says:
If there’s an official metric that records the various reasons for a int. created in the future , then it’s a legitimate discussion. ”
The closest thing to this that exists is QBr, which does take into account the situation when plays occur. So, for example, Winston throws an INT against the Saints with 2 mins left down by multiple scores, it doesn’t count the same as if he threw an INT against the Texans with 2 mins left.
In QBr, they have various numbers, but one of them is EPA, which is described as Total Clutch-Weighted Expected Points Added – meaning if it’s 3rd and 12, are you picking up those first downs, or are you just throwing it underneath for 3 yards to help your completion percentage but doing nothing to help your team. Well if you look at the EPA stat in QBr, Winston is 7th in the NFL. The only area in QBr where Winston does poorly is in taking sacks – which I think is more based on early in the season when he was holding the ball longer (and keep in mind Winston was, I believe, the 3rd most sacked QB). Winston’s total QBr, meaning you’re taking all the good, with all the bad, has him right in the middle of the pack at #15. Again, that’s with a year that people think is so bad he should be never play again.
In anycase Winston will improve next year, if he doesn’t then he’ll be gone. Again however that also means Arians is gone and the team is blown-up – short of there being some huge splash move that we haven’t seen since Malcolm was running the team.
January 12th, 2020 at 5:21 pm
Rod, Im watching the playoffs and a 3 year old, my gf’s grandkid, life stuff is going on bro…it wasnt a cop out….i cant go back this season and the last 3 seasons and find the stats of how we played against those other teams who werent really that good or they were up by a lot and their D backed off near the end and JW went on a run trying to bring the team back….thats what i meant.
So you’re going to pretend that hasnt happened? Thats very disingenuous of you…”oh, you can cant provide facts therefore it isnt true”… LOL. Its not made up…its always been right there for all to see if you watched the whole games. But deny it if you want to.
January 12th, 2020 at 5:22 pm
Stangglass not fair of you to quote MadMax there. Just last night you basically said there’s no way Baltimore won’t comeback. Full disclosure
January 12th, 2020 at 5:22 pm
@Stan, yeah i know lol. that fake punt Houston did, that backfired, started the ball rolling for KC.
January 12th, 2020 at 5:25 pm
I thought Baltimore was going to come back too.
I had no confidence that Houston could keep the lead. Not saying I foresaw this total collapse.
January 12th, 2020 at 5:25 pm
After going through some of the opinions throughout this thread, I can’t help but wonder if the majority of JW fans on here are just trying to defend his play because of their loyalty to FSU.
Maybe Joe can throw a poll together to check how many are die hard FSU fans. Would explain alot.
I prefer to judge any player by his overall play and not by college bias. Being a long time Bucs fan it’s really difficult to see how anyone can defend his football common sense.
I can only hope the fans have something to celebrate in the near future other than more nonesense stats for JW.
Go Bucs!!
January 12th, 2020 at 5:31 pm
“MadMax Says:
January 12th, 2020 at 5:21 pm
Rod, Im watching the playoffs and a 3 year old, my gf’s grandkid, life stuff is going on bro…it wasnt a cop out….i cant go back this season and the last 3 seasons and find the stats of how we played against those other teams who werent really that good or they were up by a lot and their D backed off near the end and JW went on a run trying to bring the team back….thats what i meant.”
To even have garbage times stats you need to get blown out. How many times have the Bucs gotten blown out? Winston is a master at making games competitive even when his defense is giving up 30 points a game like last year. If you’re saying teams get a lead then play soft to not give up a big play – that’s literally every team in football. But if you’re getting your team back in the game – then those aren’t garbage time stats – they’re just stats.
January 12th, 2020 at 5:32 pm
Romo is the best. Insightful, funny. I hope the talk of him moving into coaching isn’t true I like him in the booth.
January 12th, 2020 at 5:35 pm
“Stanglassman Says:
January 12th, 2020 at 5:25 pm
I thought Baltimore was going to come back too.
I had no confidence that Houston could keep the lead. Not saying I foresaw this total collapse.”
I did, it’s why I said above, can Mahomes pull a Winston and bring his team back?
I said yes – the league MVP certainly can.
I love Winston, but Mahomes has so has been a generational talent. The only issue in this game would be if Andy Reid pulled an Andy Reid and somehow willed his team to lose a playoff game.
Houston against this defense KC defense can still put up some points and bring them back to at least make it competitive. Not sure they will, but they have the offensive talent to put up points if Watson quits his ‘everything is A-OK fake smile’ and stops running around and keeps his eyes downfield.
January 12th, 2020 at 5:36 pm
Rod it wont show in the final score because JW was bringing them back…maybe pull the 3rd qtr or half way into the 4th qtr scores…he usually plays best when his back is against the wall. Dont know if theres a way to track that stat. But i know what I saw the last 4 years, didnt happen as much this past year. It would be an interesting way to gauge him though when it somes down to the decision to keep him or not.
January 12th, 2020 at 5:37 pm
“Matter of fact Ndog, i was on board for bringing JW back until his last 2 or 3 games”
Totally unfair to judge Winston with the leftover scraps he was playing with those last 2 games. And on top of that he still have us a chance to win the Falcons game but Matt Gay blew it.
January 12th, 2020 at 5:38 pm
What idiots… finally moving the ball again and they go with a reverse pass… This is all Winston’s fault.
January 12th, 2020 at 5:39 pm
Keep the front seven as intact as Salary Cap allows.
Find a sturdy RT in free agency and draft a young QB who entices BA.
Finally, get a stud RB and a quality backup QB in free agency and maybe a reliable safety
I can’t believe I’m about to say this, but Franchise Tag JayMiss and give him one more year with the QB braintrust here. If JayMiss stumbles early next season, sit him down ala Titans did this season.
Neither BA or me are getting any younger and I want a winner here.
Peace, out
January 12th, 2020 at 5:43 pm
It might be unfair Tb but he once again was throwing INT’s, just like when he had his STAR WR’s, is what it is….his thumb too, i know….but nobody brings up that stuff when talking about that amazing Perriman catch in the endzone….ahead of you on that on 😉
January 12th, 2020 at 5:47 pm
Garbage stats are last second long passes at the end of the half or game that get intercepted. Bad or early Snaps to the Qb that the Qb gets credit for a fumble. Good Handoffs that get dropped by a Rb, Qb get credit for the fumble. A unblocked strip sacks fumbles also shouldn’t really be a fumble in the Qb.
The real problem is people who rely to heavily on stats when they should use them as only part of the overall evaluation.
January 12th, 2020 at 5:48 pm
“Tbbucs3 Says:
January 12th, 2020 at 5:37 pm
“Matter of fact Ndog, i was on board for bringing JW back until his last 2 or 3 games”
Totally unfair to judge Winston with the leftover scraps he was playing with those last 2 games. And on top of that he still have us a chance to win the Falcons game but Matt Gay blew it.”
Not only did Gay blow the last game, against the Texans, only needing a FG, you have Brate drop a 4th down pass at the Texans 30. That play cost the Bucs at least a FG there and they were moving the issue with no problem before until right before that drop on 3rd and 1 when Leftwich calls for a run up the gut that loses a yard and makes it 4th and 2. Now, would the Bucs defense have held up? I don’t know. But that huge Brate drop completely changed that game.
Also on the pass before the INT on the last series you have Perriman getting drilled in the head. He’s the only guy who Winston can throw to as Watson has been awful and OJ and Brate had dropped huge passes on the two previous drives. So on that INT Winston is playing safe, working the sideline, trying to get the ball to Dare because he’s not forcing it to Perriman.
I do think Winston made a huge mistake there by thinking he needed to play the sidelines, but I understand what he was doing. If Godwin and Evans is on the field, the corner isn’t sitting in the flat and I doubt Winston is looking to throw shallow.
Again, it’s all speculation since we don’t know the outcome if Brate doesn’t drop the ball, but that play is huge and no one seems to really care that at worst if Brate doesn’t drop that, the game is getting tied up and most likely the Bucs are going in for a TD.
January 12th, 2020 at 5:51 pm
Ok I’ll do all of that but Anything else you might of forgot ?
NPRSageBoy Says:
January 12th, 2020 at 5:39 pm
Keep the front seven as intact as Salary Cap allows.
Find a sturdy RT in free agency and draft a young QB who entices BA.
Finally, get a stud RB and a quality backup QB in free agency and maybe a reliable safety
I can’t believe I’m about to say this, but Franchise Tag JayMiss and give him one more year with the QB braintrust here. If JayMiss stumbles early next season, sit him down ala Titans did this season.
Neither BA or me are getting any younger and I want a winner here.
Peace, o
January 12th, 2020 at 5:51 pm
If NPRSageboy wants to franchise Jameis I can’t believe anyone would want him to walk!! Way to come around NPR. Wow. Just wow.
January 12th, 2020 at 5:51 pm
This defensive collapse by Winston is making for some awful Sunday football watching.
Oh did I say Winston instead of Houston? It’s because I’m a nutjob filled with hate who sees Winston on the face of every child, on the smile of every baby…
January 12th, 2020 at 5:53 pm
All.you Nancy little clowns who said defense and running games is what wins in the playoffs get your butts in here and eat your crow!!!!
IF has proven you all to be wronged then Rod Munch. Now get in here and admitted your little opinion has been proven false and pull your tail.out from between your legs!!!
January 12th, 2020 at 5:53 pm
The Bucs need to franchise Winston, then use their other $70m in cap space to sign Brady and Brees and let them all fight it out in camp. I guarantee we’ll sellout every game in my scenario.
January 12th, 2020 at 5:55 pm
I’ve been learning from you. Are you mad because I don’t listen ?
immyJack Says:
January 12th, 2020 at 5:53 pm
All.you Nancy little clowns who said defense and running games is what wins in the playoffs get your butts in here and eat your crow!!!!
IF has proven you all to be wronged then Rod Munch. Now get in here and admitted your little opinion has been proven false and pull your tail.out from between your legs!!!
January 12th, 2020 at 5:55 pm
JimmyJack, you need to repost that in english so I know if you were trying to insult me or agreeing with me…
January 12th, 2020 at 5:55 pm
“Both Watson, Prescott, Mahomes and their agents going to shoot for $40 mil per year 4/5 year contracts
After their contracts, JW3 and Jay Segal going to the table with $30 mil per…
JW3 won’t be happy being tagged for 1 year”
Kobe Faker
January 12th, 2020 at 5:57 pm
Kobe … we have to consult with jimmy jack. He’s very knowledge in this situations.
January 12th, 2020 at 6:00 pm
I’m a Winston guy, but I’m tagging him for a year. I don’t really care if he’s happy about it or not, it’s just the reality of playing in the NFL with a salary cap.
If I’m Winston I welcome being tagged since I know next year I’m taking the team into the playoffs and cutting those INTs in half and I’m going to get that $40m a year.
If I was running the team I’d have locked him up before the 2018 season when you could have got him at a big discount, probably only around $22m a year, it’s what I called for at the time and would have been a brilliant move. But Licht isn’t me, it’s why he kept Ryan Smith and Chris Conte around for so long.
January 12th, 2020 at 6:01 pm
I disagree. 🙋🏻♂️
January 12th, 2020 at 6:02 pm
The early INTs in the Houston game was a big factors. Those turnovers equated to most of Houston’s scoring for the day. Our defense completely shut down the Texans and could of won the game for us possibly.
And throwing a pick when you have a chance to go on a game winning drive is purely unacceptable for a franchise QB. Does not matter what circumstances lead up to it. A franchise AN with the ball in his hands and a chance for a walk off win has one expectation in that situation.
Winston did fail three times in those moments in 2019. Deliver only once that I can recall…….and we still lost cause of Gay. We do need Winston to be better then that if we all got the same goal.
January 12th, 2020 at 6:03 pm
Next week with KC and Tennessee we’re going to get a chance to see passing versus running the ball and playing defense.
The Titans chance to stay in the game is simple, run it with Henry against this bad KC defense and control the clock. That’s really their only hope – and traditionally running and good defense is how you win – you know according to the 1961 coaches handbook that everyone refers to.
January 12th, 2020 at 6:04 pm
Bucs MVP= Jason licht
January 12th, 2020 at 6:06 pm
For what it’s worth I was glad that the Atlanta game went to OT. I was glad to see Winston get the ball and a chance to prove his worth to all the naysayers. I thought he would carry the team and win us the game.
It was an utter disappointment. He let us down. I am for bringing Winston back but he does have to perform better in key situations. Not sure how you can say otherwise.
January 12th, 2020 at 6:08 pm
Rodney I think a better test for.passing vs defense/running would be if the Super Bowl.is KC vs SF
January 12th, 2020 at 6:08 pm
“JimmyJack Says:
January 12th, 2020 at 6:02 pm
The early INTs in the Houston game was a big factors. Those turnovers equated to most of Houston’s scoring for the day.”
The game was tied at halftime and Tampa had all the momentum. Then Houston came out in the 2nd half and got a FG, and Winston marched them down the field and tied it up.
Then both teams punted.
Then the Texans marched down the field and kicked a FG to go up 3.
Then Winston took the Bucs, marched down the field, and Brate dropped a huge 4th down at the Houston 35 with 3:38 left.
If you think first quarter INTs hurt the teams feelings and made them lost when they made a complete comeback, then you think KC today should be losing right now.
January 12th, 2020 at 6:09 pm
Of maybe Seattle vs SF would be a good test too.
January 12th, 2020 at 6:11 pm
Rodney. I agree with the JW contract and next weeks game. I’d just mention that KC defense year was much like the Bucs with a huge 2nd half improvement.
January 12th, 2020 at 6:12 pm
“JimmyJack Says:
January 12th, 2020 at 6:08 pm
Rodney I think a better test for.passing vs defense/running would be if the Super Bowl.is KC vs SF”
Yeah, that also is a good matchup, but Tennessee, as far as scoring defense goes was very good.
But, and this is amazing to me, KC has a better scoring defense than the 49ers…
I just looked up the stats and that blows my mind, this isn’t a very good defense but they’re keeping people out of the endzone.
January 12th, 2020 at 6:13 pm
“Stanglassman Says:
January 12th, 2020 at 6:11 pm
Rodney. I agree with the JW contract and next weeks game. I’d just mention that KC defense year was much like the Bucs with a huge 2nd half improvement.”
OK, that makes sense then – because when I watched KC early on defense they were awful. I just didn’t pay much attention as the year went along so I didn’t realize they had improved that much.
Good info, thanks.
January 12th, 2020 at 6:16 pm
“ Ok. So the Jameis brain is good. Check!”
I’m speechless
January 12th, 2020 at 6:16 pm
Jimmyjack- I get it that the ball was intercepted in the ATL overtime. I just don’t get why everyone acts like the ball wasn’t tipped. Dotson should get at least part of the blame. The ball was not only slowed down it was deflected toward the cb. Maybe it gets picked either way but I don’t think so.
January 12th, 2020 at 6:17 pm
…”the 49ers defense wasn’t as dominant after Kwon Alexander’s injury as it was during the first half of the season. It allowed 224 yards per game before the injury and 326 after it.”
Wow, that’s a hell of a difference.
January 12th, 2020 at 6:18 pm
Wow, this post’s comment section sure got hijacked by the slow crew today. If all you guys are here, then who’s out back stroking Winston’s “ego”?
Did the kicker miss a few kicks and cost us two games? Maybe. Probably. Who cares? This discussion isn’t about kickers.
Can one of you nut huggers explain to me why our QB threw seven pick-6’s, or explain how on earth he could open at least four games this year with a pick on his first posession and a couple times on his first throw? Maybe explain to me why he sucks on the home field? How about why almost all of his interceptions come less than 10 yards from the line of scrimmage?
Those are the questions that need to be answered.
The freaking rookie kicker has nothing to do with those questions. The early season defense has nothing to do with those questions. The win-loss record has nothing to do with those questions. All you boners can do is throw out 5000 yards and over 30 TD passes. If the rules stay the same way they are right now, 5000 yards in a season won’t mean jack poop, a 3rd of the QB’s in the NFL will be hitting that mark within 5 years. I’m not doubting that he can throw a football far and that we have three receivers that are good at climbing the ladder and going up and getting those 50/50 balls, but at what point is he responsible for the passes that leave his hand and go into the defenses hands?
Is he ever going to be responsible for those?
The Carson Palmer arguement is the only thing that many of you hang your hat on, there are other QB’s that played in this system and didn’t lead the league in turnovers their first season.
January 12th, 2020 at 6:19 pm
Rodney. There improvement was mainly pass rush and secondary. The question next week is can they stop Henry. We will see. I love the playoffs.
January 12th, 2020 at 6:20 pm
Rodney I have no actual idea how damaged your brain must be to concock such wild ideas.
I could read every post you have ever written a thousand times over and would still never be able to understand why you would think the team’s feelings was hurt. I could study physcology for 25 years and still not understand how you come up with these interpertations.
The ING a matter because we handed them the lead and played from behind which affected both teams playcalling. Without the INTs we very likely could play with a lead in that game forcing them to take a few more chances then they needed too. Given the way the game played out and how our defense played on that day I would love our chances to see our defense make them pay dearly for taking more risks and we win that game in a different manner then having to do it only with offense.
January 12th, 2020 at 6:23 pm
“Stanglassman Says:
January 12th, 2020 at 6:16 pm
Jimmyjack- I get it that the ball was intercepted in the ATL overtime. I just don’t get why everyone acts like the ball wasn’t tipped.”
Was it tipped? It was game 16 and ended the season so I really didn’t do anything but watch the TV view – but I didn’t notice the tip. I’ll have to go look at it again and see.
January 12th, 2020 at 6:28 pm
Stanglass I was at that game and never saw the tip. It’s the only game I didn’t record so I never saw it again and have no decent opinion on that play.
I will say I am not giving Winston much benefit of the doubt on many plays just based off history. Sure I will give him the benefit on the first INT from that game where it was blatantly obvious something went severely wrong with that play design or the way it was ran…….But m any of the excuses and reasons I hear on this site are quite lame and don’t show up on film. Good example was on the screen INT in London. Almost impossible to watch that play and think the QB didn’t make a poor throw/decision.
January 12th, 2020 at 6:28 pm
We’re stuck spinning our wheels, revving the engine and going nowhere playoff-wise as long as Famous Jameis is our QB. Just look what Tennessee did this year… 1) sign a backup capable of pushing their 5th yr first rounder while Bucs ran Fitz out of town and sat tight when Gabbert hit IR… hmm. 2) called out QB for his mistakes without blaming surrounding team to ensure accountability… hmm. 3) sat the starter and his $20M on the bench to spark a run for the playoffs… well, that’s kind of hard to even consider if you’ve whiffed on steps 1 and 2. So, for 2020 what shall we do? We could follow Tennessee who will likely be franchising a QB asked to prove it… but we would be franchising 5 years of gaudy, wheel-spinning stats and zero traction in playoffs… while Tennessee will be locking in a breakthrough winner still playing in January. Hmm.
January 12th, 2020 at 6:29 pm
JimmyJack – OK, so your point is the defense wouldn’t have given up that many points. I was taking your statement was that the team gave up because of the early points.
In any case, I disagree, Houston has a very good offense and I don’t think they were putting up 6 points that day without the turnovers. In fact I think the early lead, then the collapse, really hurt Houston since they shut themselves down, like they did today when they had a big lead and then collapsed.
Obviously we don’t know what happens if things go different.
January 12th, 2020 at 6:31 pm
Rodney- I heard Jameis in the presser mention the tip so I went back and watched it. It was clearly tipped. It’s in the Bucs website. Check it out I’m curious your thoughts. I’ll never deny being bias toward any Bucs Qb. Bucs players in general.
January 12th, 2020 at 6:31 pm
For what it’s worth any media podcaster or analysist that I heard break down that OT pick said that the tip was much of a factor. According to any breakdown I heard there was no window at all for that throw and had no chance of being completed. Was a bad throw and decision regardless of the tip.
January 12th, 2020 at 6:37 pm
“WestChap Says:
…while Bucs ran Fitz out of town”
Fitz was 2-5 last season.
January 12th, 2020 at 6:38 pm
Fair Rod we will never know. But I think we can both agree that spotting another team 10 points without the benefit of gaining yards is a awful way to start a game. Can’t get away with digging holes all the time & we did dig ourselves too many this year.
January 12th, 2020 at 6:43 pm
And despite you explanation Rod I will still never understand why I thought the team’s feelings got hurt. I am positive there is a slight little tick in that brain of yours.God
Ironically enough we have saw teams in the past few years that featured defense that had some sort of emotional problems when faced with adversity. The2019 Bucs defense was much more mentally tougher then that. Their performance in the Texans game is actually a really good example IMO.
January 12th, 2020 at 6:47 pm
Mr. Reality Says:
January 12th, 2020 at 5:17 pm
Ndog, you mention 6 of those 9 losses are to playoff teams. What you don’t grasp is playoff teams…that is, good teams, will take advantage of Winston’s multiple turnovers and beat you with it. SF, CAR2, TEN, NO2, HOU. And guess what. It is RARE to beat a good team when you turn the ball over multiple times. You basically fell into your own trap… The ONLY game losses where Winston’s multiple turnovers weren’t a factor in losses were NYG and NO1.
So Reality again are we just going to pretend the head coach said that all the TOs vs Tennessee we’re not on the QB? Also as I have said a thousand times two of the three TOs vs the 49ers we’re not Jameis’s fault. And the Seahawks game was 100% on the HORRIFIC defense.
So of those 6 losses to playoff teams Jameis’s TOs were a part of NO2 were the first TO that was his fault was when we were already down 20, Houston which in my opinion was his worst game and the 49ers which was the screen on the last drive where Dare got tied up and Jameis didn’t throw it away. So to recap the 6 losses to playoff teams Jameis had a major hand in two of them which was Houston and 49ers which it’s being generous to you include the 9ers. Do that means others parts of the team let him down in the other 4 but again we are just going to ignore that right.
January 12th, 2020 at 6:48 pm
All I noticed on the ATL INT was Brate just standing there and not coming back to the ball – but that was likely by design but since Brate triggers me since that huge huge drop against the Texans, it stands out. It didn’t look like an amazingly bad play, it just looked like a good defense read – but I only saw the TV view and didn’t rewatch it with the ALL22 footage. I’ll have to check it out again.
January 12th, 2020 at 6:53 pm
Not to be fair you are focusing on 6 games and saying Winston played poorly in 2. That’s a bad ratio and is a decent example of the lack of consistency many say Winston must get better at.
January 12th, 2020 at 6:53 pm
JimmyJack Says:
January 12th, 2020 at 6:31 pm
For what it’s worth any media podcaster or analysist that I heard break down that OT pick said that the tip was much of a factor. According to any breakdown I heard there was no window at all for that throw and had no chance of being completed. Was a bad throw and decision regardless of the tip.
When a ball is tipped it does two things it both changes direction AND slows down. So we will never no what would have happened if it wasn’t tipped cause heck for all we know it could have gotten by Jones and then Brate turns and runs for 7-10 more yards? But what I will say is after watching the All 22 I believe Jameis should have looked right where he did then came back left to Perriman deep as they were in cover 3 and when Perriman ran deep that guy covering him got blown right by. If Jameis just chucks it deep it is either a TD or incomplete pass which clearly would have been a better choice.
January 12th, 2020 at 6:54 pm
JimmyJack – I thought your point was the team was mentally broken and that’s why they lost, because they couldn’t mentally withstand those early mistakes and they collapsed – which made no sense since they made the comeback.
But I am dyslexic so it’s impossible I only read part of what you said and filled in the rest. Sometimes that happens if there’s a particularly dull post, my brain wants gets bored and just wants it over so it just predicts what you were going to say and sometimes it’s wrong.
Haha… I crack myself up.
January 12th, 2020 at 6:54 pm
Rodney-
Atlanta Falcons website has a few different views, one from the sideline and one from behind. I noticed the same thing with Brate. Jameis probably should have just thrown that one on the stands if I’m being completely unbiased.
January 12th, 2020 at 6:56 pm
“JimmyJack Says:
January 12th, 2020 at 6:53 pm
Not to be fair you are focusing on 6 games and saying Winston played poorly in 2. That’s a bad ratio and is a decent example of the lack of consistency many say Winston must get better at.”
I’ll take a .667 winning percentage – you know since the Winston haters (not necessarily you) always say Winston is the only reason the team didn’t got 16-0.
January 12th, 2020 at 6:58 pm
No more are the days that the Bucs fall apart mentally after a bad call or early screwup. BA has changed the mentality and culture without a doubt.
January 12th, 2020 at 6:59 pm
IF The Bucs built a team like the Chiefs around a quality qb like MaHolmes, Ray Jay Stadium tickets would quickly return to a waiting list for years to come..
January 12th, 2020 at 6:59 pm
What If like to know is why Brats has maybe the most reliable hands on the team & doesn’t drop one tip the moment is amplified. Now I’m sure he’s dropped one hear and there but the last one I remember was 2017 vs NE on Thursday night. Probably the easiest TD reception he will ever see. I firmly believe that a win against that team changes the momentum of that season. That drop cost is the team and was the turning point of the season. Turning point into the toilet.
Can’t see it any other way then to say that Brats cannot handle the pressure. He folds. Not a clutch player.
January 12th, 2020 at 7:00 pm
“Stanglassman Says:
January 12th, 2020 at 6:54 pm
Rodney-
Atlanta Falcons website has a few different views, one from the sideline and one from behind. I noticed the same thing with Brate. Jameis probably should have just thrown that one on the stands if I’m being completely unbiased.”
I’ll certainly go check it out again, I have gamepass as was well and I like breaking down plays, in particular because it drives the anti-Winston people nuts when you explain what happens and all they have are their feelings.
January 12th, 2020 at 7:01 pm
JimmyJack I didn’t say he played bad I said he was part of. Cause again if it wasn’t for Jameis, Evans and Godwin we get blown out in every game there is no other way for us to score cause we cannot run the ball. Also again I don’t feel he was even close to being THE problem vs NO2 cause like I said we were down 20 before he had a TO that was on him. So really it was just the Houston game.
January 12th, 2020 at 7:02 pm
“Tye Says:
January 12th, 2020 at 6:59 pm
IF The Bucs built a team like the Chiefs around a quality qb like MaHolmes, Ray Jay Stadium tickets would quickly return to a waiting list for years to come..”
Yeah, all the Bucs need to do is draft a generational talent, the next league MVP who breaks every record ever the first year he sees the field and we’ll be A-OK.
Simple enough.
January 12th, 2020 at 7:02 pm
YouTube has all JWs INTs video. I couldn’t bring my self to watch it. I bet the comments are pretty bad too.
January 12th, 2020 at 7:03 pm
Rodney Winston having a bad game one of every 3 does not equal a .666%. Umm like you know. There are like 52 other guys on the team.
Now if your AN is playing out of his mind in those other .66% then OK maybe it’s a debate. Unfortunately that was not the case.
January 12th, 2020 at 7:10 pm
JimmyJack – That NE game was 100% on Nick Folk going 0-3. But while that game was bad, I don’t think a lot of people expected the Bucs to win and I don’t think it ruined the season. I think Adam Humphries fumbling at the Bucs 30 with 2 mins left in that Buffalo lost destroyed their season. Winston was having an great 2nd half, moving it at will, had brought them all the way back and going to move it down the field to win and Hump fumbles the ball, lets the Bills run the clock down to 14 seconds and they kick the winning FG…
Ugh, I still hate Hump for that play.
Well I don’t hate-hate him like I hate Ryan Smith and Chris Conte, but I hate him at the Brate level.
January 12th, 2020 at 7:11 pm
Not I agree with you about the New Orleans game. To me that game was a good example why judging based on stage is just dumb.
None of the picks in that game were pivotal to the outcome. Call me crazy but I care more about moments and the context of each pick. The ones that happen when W Winston has a chance to lead us for a game winning drive(and there was a few) are totally unacceptable to me. Give me ten picks like he had in that Saints game. Don’t care. But you gotta give me them game win my drives to balance it out. No exceptions and no excuses.
That said the picks he keeps throwing to start off games gotta go away too. Quite digging holes. I think it makes winning easier.
January 12th, 2020 at 7:14 pm
Nope. You are wrong. That game was 100% on Brate. And Never co should of been 0-2. Brate forced him to attempt a third.f
Actually no game is 100% on anybody. That’s simpleton logic. For you make me dumber every time I respond to you.
January 12th, 2020 at 7:14 pm
Ive supported JW each year even I have had enough ,same old talk next year will be the year same old Tired Talk
January 12th, 2020 at 7:15 pm
“JimmyJack Says:
January 12th, 2020 at 7:03 pm
Rodney Winston having a bad game one of every 3 does not equal a .666%. Umm like you know. There are like 52 other guys on the team.
Now if your AN is playing out of his mind in those other .66% then OK maybe it’s a debate. Unfortunately that was not the case.”
2 good games out of 3 games is Winston having a good game .667% of the time – I’m going to choose this hill to fight on since it’s simple math.
In any case I was mocking the idea that this is the 72 Dolphins except for Winston.
January 12th, 2020 at 7:16 pm
“lewis Says:
January 12th, 2020 at 7:14 pm
Ive supported JW each year even I have had enough ,same old talk next year will be the year same old Tired Talk”
Thanks for adding to the discussion, you added a lot.
God bless.
January 12th, 2020 at 7:20 pm
“JimmyJack Says:
January 12th, 2020 at 7:14 pm
Nope. You are wrong. That game was 100% on Brate. And Never co should of been 0-2. Brate forced him to attempt a third.f
Actually no game is 100% on anybody. That’s simpleton logic. For you make me dumber every time I respond to you.”
Well I clearly remember the missed FGs, and the Brate play doesn’t stand out in my memory. With that said I take pleasure in blaming Brate for things – so I’ll need to go back and rewatch it.
In any case, yes, players can be 100% responsible for loses. Gay is 100% responsible for losing the game against the Giants. It’s the last play of the game, if he makes it, we win – if he misses it, we lose. It was a good snap, a good hold, and he missed it. That’s 100% on him.
January 12th, 2020 at 7:28 pm
Hey we all see the game differently. That 2017 game was also the game that made me realize Dirk Koetter would never turn this into a playoff team.
In the first quarter we forced a three and out on NE. We intercepted Tom Brady and our running game was opening huge holes and bashing them………I have no creak my idea how but somehow Dirk allowed them to completely dominate us in that first quater.
It was for sure one of the worst manager and unprepared coach jobs I ever saw.
January 12th, 2020 at 7:30 pm
My apologies if this was said earlier, but a quick analysis shows we are on the cusp of success IF we cut the TO’s. In terms of yards, we finished third on Offense and seventh on Defense. Two missed FG’s cost us a 9-7 record.
Based on the playoffs so far, we need an elite RB, and more emphasis on our TE’s in the passing game. We have the TE’s but no RB. Rojo is a good change of pace guy and may be a solid #2. There are three potentially elite RB’s in the upcoming draft: Dobbins, Etienne, and Taylor. I get the trend goes against spending a high pick on a RB, but given where we are as a team, a top 15 rushing attack, or at least a runner, with big play ability, who can handle 20-25 touches per game could make us a SB contender next year WITH Jameis.
If Jameis improves like Carson Palmer did in his second year under Arians, AND we add an elite RB, the TO’s should go down precipitously. With that an 11-5 or 12-4 season is not impossible IMO.
January 12th, 2020 at 7:30 pm
Can’t believe so many JBFers are still bickering over who lost what game. It’s JANUARY … we’re NOT in the playoffs. Who lost what game really doesn’t matter any more. Coulda, woulda, shoulda doesn’t mean diddly. 2019 is over. Enjoy the playoffs.
Ndog … “If you look at our 9 losses this year 6 of them were to playoff teams.” EXACTLY Ndog. We lost to teams who were better than us. And THAT’S why they’re in the playoffs and we’re not.
January 12th, 2020 at 7:32 pm
Munch: my point was less an endorsement of Fitz (or Gabbert) and more a critique of the notion that having a credible backup waiting on the bench somehow posed a risk to JW’s psyche. Having no credible alternative probably does boost the starter’s confidence he won’t be yanked but it also removes the optionality Tennessee has enjoyed. However, Fitz’s 2-5 with a gutted Miami roster might have been 10-6 with our receivers and growing D. We’ll never know as we entered the season with only one credible QB.
January 12th, 2020 at 7:32 pm
Was one of the few that was not high on this team after the 9-7 2016 season. Dirk proved to me who he was when his team had no ability to stop Elliot when we played Dallas for a playoff berth. On offense he lost one RT and had no ability to adjust and not let it single handily prevent us from winning.
Patriots were his test to prove he was a worthy IF and he failed with flying colors. We had every advantage coming into that game too.
January 12th, 2020 at 7:36 pm
Ndog,You’re a straight Dumb Ass…
January 12th, 2020 at 7:39 pm
Just checked all box scores from this weekend and last. Know what I noticed? Many games where both qbs through 0 interceptions. A few where th qb threw 1 and a single game where lama Jackson threw 2. Unsurprisingly he lost that game. A bit part of the playoffs is playing mistake free football.. Can’t afford to with the big boys
January 12th, 2020 at 7:43 pm
No doubt Jameis’ brain is good (could’ve went to Stanford)…
It’s the decision-making I question…
Ultimately, I feel we should keep him (at the right price)…That said, I’d love to see us pair Winston and these receivers with a dominant Oline and running game…Imo, balancing out the play-calling and asking Winston to throw less is 1 way to insure he throws less picks…
January 12th, 2020 at 7:46 pm
Comments hoping for a year 2 from Jameis like Carson Palmer had with BA fail to account for the cap space tagging JW would consume and how that would impact our ability to keep the front 7 on D together… much less upgrade the OL. Keeping JW costs $27 if single year… likely $30+ if more than one year. Keeping Shaq and JPP is going to be more than $30M. I desperately want Suh back as I think he and JPP are the tone setters we need on D. As crazy as it sounds, we need a more consistent even if less talented QB for less than $20M so that we can win more games with an overall more talented team than we could afford if we pay JW. For his sake, I hope he does go get $35 a year from someone but it should be somebody with rookie value at WR, OT or EDGE… not us.
January 12th, 2020 at 7:47 pm
Bucs Fan Since 76 … Agree with you about needing a better RB, but I still wouldn’t spend a #1 pick on an RB (UNLESS he was truly ‘generational’ like Saquon Barkley). Derrick Henry is a beast (6’3″ & 247 lbs) who’s run for OVER 2,500 yards in the past 2 years. He went #47 in the 2nd round of the 2016 draft, EIGHT places AFTER the Bucs picked Noah Spence at #39 and THIRTY SIX places AFTER we picked Vernon Hargreaves.
Did I mention that in that SAME draft the Titans picked an OFFENSIVE TACKLE (Jack Conklin) in the 1st round with their #8 pick? Or that they picked a DEFENSIVE END (Kevin Dodd) with their first pick (#33) in the 2nd round? THEN they grabbed their RB, AFTER they focused on BUILDING THE TRENCHES.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Jason LichtsOut was busy congratulating himself for picking TWO players with our 1st Round & 2nd round picks who couldn’t even finish their 4-year stint with the Buccaneers. Such is life in Bucsville.
January 12th, 2020 at 7:51 pm
Welcome to the party John L. I like your takes, oh wait you don’t have any takes, bye bye now it’s time for you to go to bed. Night night little guy, make sure you leave your light on so the monsters don’t scare you.
January 12th, 2020 at 7:53 pm
Orlando Kevin Says:
January 12th, 2020 at 12:51 pm
Give Jameis a 2nd year with Arians (ie 2nd year is when Palmer took off)
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URBAN LEGEND! PALMER ONLY PLAYED IN 6 GAMES IN HIS 2ND YR UNDER ARIANS!!
WINSTON PROPAGANDA!
January 12th, 2020 at 7:54 pm
FACTS are like the boogey man to the CLUELESS like John L. They just get freaked out cause FACTS completely dispell their feelings cause they just don’t understand what they are watching. Just like teams lose cause their QB right John L? I’m sure to THE CLUELESS like John L. think the Texans lost today because of Watson.
January 12th, 2020 at 7:57 pm
The Winstonpologists are out in full force again. Give him another “prove it” year. Who cares he doesn’t win games. Who cares he threw for 30 picks. YOu have idiots more invested in a player than their own GD team! It’s pathetic and I loathe these Winston knob gobblers. You’re a stain on the underwear of our franchise.
January 12th, 2020 at 8:00 pm
Defense Rules, I hear ya brother. If any of the three RB’s I mentioned drop into Round 2, or even at the end of Round 1 (remember Warrick Dunn!) then I’d grab him, even if we had to move up to do it. I’m with you on taking an OT in the first, but only if I could be sure that we could secure one of the three RB’s wit our second pick. The elite RB is the missing piece, I believe!
January 12th, 2020 at 8:02 pm
Joe
In your bias you failed to finish Christensen’s quote.
Arians knows he can’t win with Winston and Glazers know how much money that empty stadium and shrinking fan base is costing them
January 12th, 2020 at 8:05 pm
Defense Rules. With all due respect I don’t think the Titans drafting Henry in the second round is really something that’s relatable year to year. And for what it’s worth you could easily make a very compelling argument that Henry could have held value as a first-round pick. It was a historically bad draft class.
But you gotta factor that Henry was the top RB taken after Zeke Elliot…..who they had no chance to get.
But what if this year’s draft features 4 RBs taken in the first-round? That’s quite different then waiting til round two in a year with no first round backs available to you. Just think each draft is unique and it’s a fair study to determine positional value based on prior years. My opinion is that the person you draft is much more important then the position. And when you are looking for specific needs for your team the rest of the league and which spots they draft are going to change the value for the position you are looking for.
January 12th, 2020 at 8:07 pm
It’s not a fare study***
January 12th, 2020 at 8:07 pm
T-Rex, not to quibble, but while he only played in six games in 2014, he did throw 11 TD’s to only 3 picks, and the following year he threw 35 TD’s and 11 picks, so the analysis remains solid, if not perfect. He clearly reduced his picks significantly after his first year under Arians.
January 12th, 2020 at 8:09 pm
Just tuned in….LOL, the other S-hole city going down, seattle!!!! LOVE IT!!! Come on GB!!!!
January 12th, 2020 at 8:10 pm
watch the documentary “seattle is dying” utube
January 12th, 2020 at 8:11 pm
Well Trex Bucs fans loath the Clueless like yourself so I guess we aren’t that different after all.
BTW I didn’t know one player wins and loses games. You have a funny way of watching football, or do you think you are watching football but really watching golf? That is the question, but then again that is a question so you probably can’t answer it.
January 12th, 2020 at 8:12 pm
What the hell? I already explained that to T-Rex.
Palmer had the 3 picks in six games
Following full season had only 11
Next full season was 14
The reduction of interceptions was significant and it was real. It’s not propaganda dude it’s a pure fact…….Good Lord how much glue did you sniff as a child?
January 12th, 2020 at 8:16 pm
Clueless
January 12th, 2020 at 8:22 pm
And now I know Carson Palmers int totals memorized by heart because people gotta spout off nonsense. And I don’t like looking up stats. It s not my thang. But it’s unfair to the fan base and makes us all dumber when lies are i njected.
January 12th, 2020 at 8:24 pm
Anything that Carson Palmer did while playing for Arians is a mute point here as he was on an entirely different level than Winston. No comparison whatsoever as Palmer was just so much better and more talented than Winston . And much smarter
January 12th, 2020 at 8:39 pm
Brian Bucs, I respectfully disagree with you. Jameis is extremely smart. You don’t get accepted to Stanford, even as an athlete, if you are stupid. Clyde Christiansen confirmed his intelligence. Jameis has much arm talent as any modern era QB. His TO’s are NOT the result of a dim mind. He’s a gunslinger and takes too many chances, which is a function of discipline, or a lack thereof.
Palmer was a ten year vet in his second year under Arians, and threw plenty of picks before arriving in AZ. Jameis will have only five years experience entering next year. I’m betting he’s our starter next year, and the Bucs will be in the Playoffs. We need an elite RB!
January 12th, 2020 at 8:52 pm
Russell Wilson is a genius when he desperately laterals the ball forward. When Jameis does it they can’t stop talking about the bad decisions and reckless play.
January 12th, 2020 at 8:56 pm
Palmer wasn’t a bust but more like a disappointment before Arians got him. Jameis maybe not had as good of a season as Palmer but he’s clearly the better Qb. Time will tell but I’m sure most of the experts would agree Jameis is more talented with a much higher ceiling.
January 12th, 2020 at 8:57 pm
And I respectfully disagree with you my friend 76.
We continually hear about Winston’s football intelligence however, on the field we don’t see it. He goes through his reads and progressions very slowly and makes bad decisions.
Also, the “He’s still a young guy” argument doesn’t fly either. Winston is now a 5 year veteren. Plus, there are QB’S in the league now that are younger than him and have been in the league less years than him that are playing at a much higher level than him.
January 12th, 2020 at 9:06 pm
76….I like your posts but I’m not a fan of the team needing an elite RB, or any specific position. Just think that is an unrealistic goal of requirement.
I’ll settle for solid. Or how bout a guy that can catch some balls and maybe pop off a few big plays? I just kinda cringe when I hear we need elite cause if that’s the only way chances are it’s not gonna happen.
January 12th, 2020 at 9:09 pm
Thanks to BA & Bowles’ draft and FAs……we are in a much better position going into next year than last…..
We need a RT……some D & Oline depth and a RB…….some say Safety but I’m not in that group yet….(waiting on Justin Evans health report & D’kota Dixon)
We should be able to fill those needs in the draft & spend our cap money signing our own players…..
January 12th, 2020 at 9:18 pm
@Stanglassman … “Russell Wilson is a genius when he desperately laterals the ball forward. When Jameis does it they can’t stop talking about the bad decisions and reckless play.”
Talk about timing … wow. Was just watching the game when Wilson shuffled off that lateral and I said to my wife “That’s something I’d expect Jameis Winston to do.” BTW, it gained nothing, but it lost a down.
January 12th, 2020 at 9:27 pm
Gentlemen, and I am sure most of you are.
I am tired of excuses for the Bucs. I have heard them all. The Bucs can’t play under forty degrees. The crown on the field was too high. Vinny was color-blind. The forever favorite is that the receiver caused it.
If the pass was where it had been in practice, it would have been caught or the receiver would be a defensive back.Yes, receivers do have to run different routes at times, they have a defensive guy trying hard to screw them up.
A real QB can adjust. Jameis can’t make those decisions. He just throws the ball and hopes the hell that his receiver can catch it. 30 times, this year, they didn’t.
Jameis is not the answer. 5,000 yards mean chicken squat with a 7-9 season. Being 28-42 for his entire career sucks, no matter who’s straw you suck it through.
It is time to move on. Every team has drafted a bad QB at some point. The important part is in saying goodbye.
January 12th, 2020 at 9:37 pm
Brian Bucs, I hear you loud and clear. Your counter-argument about Jameis is compelling and sensible. I’m really not making excuses for Jameis. I’ve thrown shiznick at the TV too many times to count. LOL! I’m an old guy, and have seen every NFL QB play since 1972, and just firmly believe Jameis has elite arm talent and is a brilliant thrower. He’s mobile, tough, and durable, and clearly he’s smart as evidenced by how quickly he adapted to Arians’s complex passing scheme. I think we can all agree he’s a playoff caliber QB IF he can cut his picks in half. I know, I know, that’s a huge if, but a guy can hope, right? Have a great evening!
January 12th, 2020 at 9:39 pm
LOL. Disgusting Winston lovers. You’re like a bunch of cockroaches scurrying in the night. Disgusting people.
Someone posted on here the top 5 passing yards leaders did not make the playoffs.
They also posted the top 5 QBs in picks did not make the playoffs.
I hate to ask the mouther breathers to make a connection with said data because their cranial output isn’t high enough but…hey morons…what do those two things tell you?
January 12th, 2020 at 9:44 pm
Jimmy Jack, I understand your argument, and it’s a really good one, especially given how many lower round picks and FA RB’s have excelled in the last decade. I’m just convinced an elite RB like a Taylor, Dobbins, or Etienne is a paradigm changer. Just think of a guy who can average 4+ yards a carry, tote the ball 20-25 times a game, with potential for explosive plays, like a Zeke Elliott, playing with a QB who can throw for 4000 yards and 25+ TD’s! Opposing DC’s will be throwing up game planning for that every week.
January 12th, 2020 at 9:55 pm
Congrats to Louis Domingue. You just ended the Lightning 10 game win streak. Hope your happy JBB you dumbass.
January 12th, 2020 at 9:59 pm
Just read article on lamar jackson setting record in loss yesterday :
1st player to throw for over 350 yards in a game and run for over a 100 yards as well. (Was like 364 pass and 140 rush)
But the game wasnt very close
He turned the ball over 3 times all by himself
Yah …turnovers dont matter.
The 5,100 yards passing matters but the 30 ints and 5 lost fumbles dont
January 12th, 2020 at 10:00 pm
I cant take it anymore….Jameis is just dumb. Has the arm talent but cant see the scoreboard, therefore cant see receivers way down the field. Yet wont fix his eyes…WTF? WE HAVE Awesome WR’s who make him look better than he is. Ive watched his games and interviews and im not playing around, he’s dumb. A bonehead! Not to mention his off field issues. Takes too many risks BECAUSE we have great WR’s. Now look at him, mr confident “ima balla” btch please, its time to go.
Stick with him and waste our receiving and D core and never sniff the playoffs or fkn move on! Glazers, Licht, you know! Sign a vet, draft Love and lets get this thing called the Superbowl again.
January 12th, 2020 at 10:02 pm
T-Rexs contributions to the board.
-Called poeple idiots
-Called people knob gobblers
-Called people stains on the underwear of the franchise(that one was funny)
-Called people cockroaches
-Called people disgusting
-Called people mouth breather
-Called people morons
-Said something about cranium outputs
-And he told one big fat like that got called out by multiple posters and he did not acknowledge.
And that’s really about it. Quoted somebody above and did bring up 30 picks. Like we didn’t know that. That’s it.
Hey if your only here to nametell please do us all a favor and at least be funny. Your little underwear bit lost steam rather quickly.
January 12th, 2020 at 10:09 pm
76……Hey I’m not against drafting any of the RBs your talking about. Actually think it’ll be exciting if we grab one in Round 1.
The difference might be that you are calling them guys elite. I would consider them unproven college kids. In fairness I watch very little college ball so you know things I don’t about them guys.
I always hold my breath on rookies. StPete Bucs fans posts the odds on first rounders panning out every once in a while. Wish he would do it more but I think it’s not much better then 50% first round talents live up to their draft slots.
January 12th, 2020 at 10:27 pm
JJ – understood. Do yourself a favor and watch the You Tube highlights of those three, and watch Etienne tomorrow night. He’s averaged nearly 8 YPC at Clemson, has great hands, has legitimate initial touch explosion and nightmarish speed! Total game changer if the Bucs land him.
January 12th, 2020 at 10:44 pm
Thank you for the tip 76. Definitely will be watching the game tomorrow. Always more fun when you can look at a player or two that your team may need. Don’t think anything will ever rival owning the top pick in the draft and getting to watch the top 2 QBs battle for the title.
January 12th, 2020 at 10:54 pm
Gordon is just a name. His numbers are built on pure volume. Notice the chargers replaced him with dynamic guys who took less to obtain and cost less to keep. Bucs need an Ekeler not a Gordon
January 13th, 2020 at 12:16 am
Our QB play is so far from playoff or championship caliber its not even funny. those guys dont turn it over, and the go get points when needed.
And guys step up for them.
January 13th, 2020 at 12:57 am
Every time I try to debate NPUPPY, he never answers back. He knows I come with hard facts that blow him out of the water.
He quotes BA as saying those ints aren’t on wisnton. Ok, cool. He was quoted saying that. You want to know what else he was quoted saying?
“With another quarterback? Oh yeah. If we can win with this one, we can definitely win with another one, too,”
Not very encouraging hearing that from your head coach. If Winston was some savior, he would’ve already been signed to a huge deal. Face it, he’s gonna get 1-2 more years to see how it goes.
But don’t act like he is a sure fire super bowl qb… even the national media criticizes him.
Only reason why they’re even considering using a tag on him is because there isn’t a replacement immediately available at this moment.
January 13th, 2020 at 12:58 am
But NPUPPY don’t want non of this smoke! Hey NPUPPY, ILL BE YOUR HUCKLEBERRY!
January 13th, 2020 at 2:29 am
ok so what if jameis winston was an irishman from dublin?
his name would then be shamus finnegan…
#JameisWinstonOrShamusFinnegan
same dude…different continent…
just tryin’ to move the off season along over here
🙂
January 13th, 2020 at 2:50 am
If Jameis was Irish most of the Jameis haters would love him. Definitely never question his intelligence or ‘ability to read the defense’. Or say things like we need a REAL Qb. They just want to make the Bucs Qb great again.
January 13th, 2020 at 5:42 am
@stan, i swear, you guys who come to the race card have nothing left in your arguments i guess. Dude, do you realize how much i love many of our guys who are black? Promoted many of them here that we have drafted?
That is weak sauce 101 and you have failed.
January 13th, 2020 at 5:43 am
@TBBF … “We need a RT……some D & Oline depth and a RB…….some say Safety but I’m not in that group yet….(waiting on Justin Evans health report & D’kota Dixon)”.
Yea verily TBBF on the D & OL & RB. Personally not interested in drafting a Safety this year because we’d be drafting one too far down (other higher priority needs). But after watching the playoffs so far, I’m more convinced than ever that we desperately NEED a VETERAN starter-capable Safety to provide better FIELD LEADERSHIP for our young DBs. There were a number of great Safeties available in FA last year (Honey Badger, Earl Thomas, etc), but alas the money just wasn’t there.
January 13th, 2020 at 6:21 am
Jameis is the very definition of an enigma!
January 13th, 2020 at 6:54 am
He’s smart until he’s STUPID. Like Chris Simms said (and posted here on JBF recently) about Winston’s turnovers “It’s just STUPID”
January 13th, 2020 at 7:50 am
Jameis is the very definition of an enigma!
Don’t you mean enema?
January 13th, 2020 at 9:44 am
Yea that’s a hard decision right there. I’m at the point now where I don’t really care about all the stats like 5, ooo yards passing leading the league in scoring etc. an don’t get me wrong those stats are legit, amazing we’ve never had a QB ever do that for our team or had a offense this great but I’m to the point where all I want are WINS. IDC if they are ugly wins good wins I just want are team to win make the playoffs an win some more. I think I can speak for every fan. ALL WE WANT ARE WINS who cares if we get em by having the best offense or defense Bucs just need to win. Period end of story end of debate. Like AL Davis says just win babe
January 13th, 2020 at 11:34 am
@Bucs Fan Since ‘76, I think you and I are thinking the same on this. I have to admit I flip on Winston daily. He’s the most hated and liked player in Bucs history for me personally. At times, I see him make ridiculously great plays. Then, he makes some of the dumbest mistakes I’ve ever seen. I try to eliminate all of the noise on here because frankly, some of the arguments about yards, who’s going to be “better” than Winston, who’s to blame for the actual turnovers, is just mud. It all comes down to wins and losses and we don’t win enough games. A better running game would definitely help Winston. My single biggest concern for this team is how they make it work with money.
January 13th, 2020 at 2:22 pm
I don’t care if:
TONY DUNGY
BRETT FAVRE
TERRY BRADSHAW
DEION SANDERS
WARREN SAPP
ALL think the Bucs would be crazy to give up on Jameis … I trust the goofy guys on this here forum and the goofy guys on TV shows, and those brilliant minds say the Bucs should give up on Jameis!
January 13th, 2020 at 2:31 pm
Madmax-You seem defensive. It’s the position and color not just the color. I was told in the 70s and 80s the blacks weren’t smart enough to play Qb unless they were running, option ‘athletic’ scramblers. Some people still believe this. If you don’t think so you’re in denial.
January 13th, 2020 at 3:38 pm
Before the 70s, Many of ‘the blacks’ (as you called them) had limited options at education and development so in the 70s there was some truth even though it was quickly made into a racial excuse going forward…
by the 90s, there had been enough time for a generation to be brought up in better schools and mentally develop to learn and run complex offenses..
Since the 90s, there are video tape, dvds, etc, to create better coaching and better player quality.. But not every person is going to be great at the position
(no matter their ethnicity or height or build)..
There are plenty of Native Americans, Hispanics, Asians that also live among us yet why aren’t there more in the NFL?..
Anyways, yes, some still have that old school mindset mostly because they were raised to not know better.. Many do not care how he was born…
His qb display is not winning football and no matter ‘his color’ he is going to draw criticism on a national stage playing for both teams and being a detriment to the team winning more games..
January 13th, 2020 at 8:53 pm
Troy, I think we are on the same page. I know people hate to hear this, but Jameis also just turned 26. He literally has ten more years or more left to play. He won a national title at 20. And will still be a young QB after five more seasons. I really think the Bucs front office is factoring that into their analysis. I don’t envy them.
As for an explosive running game helping Jameis, watch Etienne tonight for Clemson. He’s already been a difference maker as a runner and pass catcher in four touches.
January 14th, 2020 at 12:26 am
Etienne ran for 78 yards
January 14th, 2020 at 12:28 am
Not saying he isn’t good… and the only game I watched him in… wasn’t impressed
January 14th, 2020 at 12:29 am
It’s hard to judge college… was he good against crap teams… will he be good against NFL players???
January 14th, 2020 at 12:30 am
also was NOT impressed with LSU’s safety
January 14th, 2020 at 12:30 am
#7
January 14th, 2020 at 7:38 am
Etienne had over 100 yards of total offense, scored a TD, and averaged 5.2 ypc, which was impressive given how many times he was hit in the backfield. Hopefully, you saw his explosiveness, strength, and ability to make people miss. Last Mock I read has the Chiefs drafting him. Says a lot.
January 14th, 2020 at 8:13 am
I’m sure Jameis is “smart” in many ways. But there’s absolutely nothing “smart” about making the same mistake over and over and over and over again.