“Evaluation” Is Over
December 29th, 2019
Judging Jameis.
A former Bucs trench warrior isn’t buying the huffing and puffing from Bucs coach Bucco Bruce Arians.
Former Bucs offensive lineman and current popular local sports radio personality Ian Beckles is of the mind the Bucs are finished evaluating Mr. Excitement, America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston.
While Beckles didn’t say whether Jameis will be back or not (by his words, it seems Beckles believes that but he didn’t say it), Beckles thinks the NFL Network report last week is accurate — that the Bucs have already made up their mind about Jameis returning. But Arians denied it when Joe asked him after the game last Saturday.
Why does Beckles believe the Bucs have made up their mind? Because Beckles said an NFL organization is not going to base its decision on a quarterback throwing to backups like the Bucs currently are using, including receivers Justin Watson and Hyman Roth Ishmael Hyman. The latter was cut just hours after the loss to the Texans.
“Pretty much the evaluation for Jameis Winston is over, OK?” Beckles said on his podcast “In the Trenches.” When you lose Mike Evans and [Chris] Godwin and you don’t have a running game, what is there? If this were Aaron Rodgers, we’d be making excuses for Aaron Rodgers. ‘Well, he has no weapons.’ So you have to be fair with Jameis Winston, OK?”
The Bucs lost to the Texans thanks to offensive coordinator Bryon Leftwich, Beckles believes. He scolded Jameis for throwing a pass on a “lazy route” by Watson but railed that Leftwich had no business calling that play, hinting it was doomed from the moment the ball was snapped.
Beckles added if the Bucs had any sort of a running game they would have won the ballgame instead of relying on Jameis to throw constantly to backups.
“When you throw the ball 45-plus times every week, Jameis is going to have three picks,” Beckles said. “That’s just the way it is, period.”
Beckles added, and Joe wholeheartedly agrees, the Bucs need to sit down after the season and come up with a plan to boost the running game.
Does Peyton Barber even come back? He’s a free agent. Joe cannot imagine there is any sort of market for a guy who is rock bottom in the league in yards-per-attempt, though Doug Martin found a home with Chucky for a year before he was kicked to the curb.
December 29th, 2019 at 6:53 am
“Mr. Winston show us you can win with backups and no running game and you will be offered Rogers kind of contract!” – Glazers
“Byron you will get a raise!” – Joel
Go Buccaneers!!!
Has anyone seen EL Buccanero Realistico?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
December 29th, 2019 at 7:02 am
JW will be back as he is our only option.
I’m hopeful that less attempts as pointed out by Ian and another year in the system will help JW cut down on his turnovers to an acceptable level.
I’m reasonably optimistic but not totally convinced.
Bring JW back and keep improving the team. My only hope is that for 2020 we have a plan B in case JW hasn’t really turned the corner. No more protecting his fragile ego. If we can find competition for him great…if JW can’t hold his job so be it.
December 29th, 2019 at 7:37 am
Can’t turn the ball over and win games. Look how much better this defense has gotten and even with Winston turning the ball over repeatedly we still had a chance to win….until he threw another INT. Time to replace him in the draft this year.
December 29th, 2019 at 7:37 am
Michael Corleone to Hyman Roth.
Now there was a connection … until Roth wanted to be the QB.
Michael never responded kindly to those that sought to usurp his field generalship.
December 29th, 2019 at 7:45 am
If the goal is to make the playoffs in 2020, then the Bucs will make the wrong decision, which will be to retain jay-miss!!!!!!!!!!!!
Merry New Year Sheep!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 29th, 2019 at 8:01 am
Winston will be back and we will draft in the trenches with a RB thrown in there somewhere. A lot depends on free agency. But we have bigger needs to fill than replacing Winston at this time.
December 29th, 2019 at 8:03 am
Drew Brees missed several games early in the season because of an issue with his thumb. Jamie’s missed one series with a fracture in his thumb. I spent several weeks with a cast up to my elbow for a fractured thumb. Jamie’s is the only one who knows how much his thumb has affected his ability to throw accurately. A second season in a new system, coupled with a healthy hand and better protection, should result in fewer turnovers and more wins. I know the concept of the Buccaneers being among the league leaders in offense, is a novel idea, but that’s what Jamie’s Winston brings to this franchise. Get used to it.
December 29th, 2019 at 8:11 am
Sparky , the turnovers were a problem long before he fractured his thumb . That was a solid effort at an excuse though .
December 29th, 2019 at 8:28 am
@SmoothBayRider
He made a valiant effort didn’t he? LOL
December 29th, 2019 at 8:52 am
Jameis throws interceptions. He also throws TDs like no other QB in franchise history. The fracture was not a factor in the first thirteen and a half games, but it is a factor now. That’s not an excuse, but it is still a factor of the equation that can’t be ignored. After four decades of being starved for an offense, interceptions are not going to kill my enjoyment. Before Jameis, the Bucs had to hold the league record for three plays and punt, and that’s sconce 1976 and without looking it up. Interceptions are aggravating. Three and outs eat at your soul. Jameis moves the chains.
December 29th, 2019 at 9:04 am
Hey joe is there a coincidence that the D line got better after releasing McCoy? Or was it a coincidence that the cornerbacks got better after letting go of Hargreaves? Which leads me to think the whole organization would be better by moving on from Jamies! Us as Bucs fans are sooo caught up in all of the losing culture as well that we don’t even even know what great players look like anymore. We want to accept 8-8 or 9-7 each year then make 1000 excuses for average players having padded stats and attached to losing every year. It’s time to want better Bucs fans, please watch the playoffs. It’s a lot of great QBs playing and they look far better than Winston. Great QBs put their team on their back and win games. Not make 1000 excuses of not having enough!
December 29th, 2019 at 9:07 am
It’s sad that this is an actual article. Told you a week ago it’s LIES from Pat BWUCY BWuce
December 29th, 2019 at 9:10 am
So now Joe pretty much blames Watson for Jameis’s pick 6 last week? ..smh
December 29th, 2019 at 9:11 am
Listen up amigos! Jamies isn’t going anywhere. Okay? So stop with the emotional complaints. Jaymiss, ATM, and the others. You are just setting yourselves up for more heartache! Okay? Take it from me I’ve been there amigos! I would vomit every time I saw Trent Dilfer take the field. But I had to realize there was nothing I can do. And I’m telling you gosh damn Jamies haters be gone! We don’t want you here. We want real fans not whimps and weenies. Support your team!!! I’m the sports guru and I approve this gosh damn message.
December 29th, 2019 at 9:16 am
Nobody will pay JW $30M — except for maybe the Bucs. Don’t be stupid, offer him a lower salary ($15M + incentives to $25M/yr) on a 2 year contract. Incentives should be tied to wins, less interceptions, TDs — not yards. If JW plays like a $25M QB he deserves and will get paid like one. If he plays like he has in the past, he should get paid considerably less. Make it only 2 years, so it’s tied to BA. When he leaves, the new coach can decide if he still wants JW.
December 29th, 2019 at 9:23 am
You know, I kinda wish Jameis had missed like eight weeks this year so you idiots could preview life without Jameis.
December 29th, 2019 at 9:28 am
Bucs Guy has an incredible knowledge gap. Winston will get a $30M multi-year either from the Bucs or any number of teams. Terrible “fan.” An even worse accountant.
December 29th, 2019 at 9:31 am
AND WHAT WILL BE THE EXCUTES FOR JAMES WINSTON NEXT YEAR ?????????????
December 29th, 2019 at 9:47 am
I do believe the decision was made some time ago, that’s why you’re hearing reports of pay request. The process of negotiating probably started around mid-season when we were already talking about next season.
Also…His pace of interceptions might actually be down since losing Evans and Godwin. Hard to argue lack of talent when he craps the bed worse with it. The Bucs are going to look at performances against top tier teams, that’s what you’re shelling out $30 million per year for….Can he beat a playoff caliber team? Or even a team with a winning record? He loses regularly to teams playing their back up QBs. Those should be gimmes if you have a game changing QB.
He is who he is….that’s why we’re hoping for 8-8 and calling it a great season.
December 29th, 2019 at 10:01 am
Out routes are not supposed to be run at angles of 90 degrees or more. They are supposed to be run at around 75 degrees to shield the defender from the ball. Neither Watson nor Dare did this. This doesn’t excuse Winston from the pic nor Leftwich from calling the play. As a matter of fact, Leftwich surely must not have many plays on the outside with double moves in the playbook otherwise defenders wouldn’t be so confident jumping routes.
December 29th, 2019 at 10:03 am
Houston had no running game. Their running backs averaged under 2 yards per carry. I want a better running game but those receivers were open all game long.
A narrative that they lost because we had no running game seems wrong. Our receivers were open all game long. Houston’s were not.
Maybe Leftwich was just calling plays that he knew would be open. I give Leftwich a lot of credit on that game – the inexperienced receivers did enough. The plays were there to score. Whether it was Jameis thumb or his decision making those were the major reasons for the loss.
December 29th, 2019 at 10:24 am
JW is not the long term answer……..
December 29th, 2019 at 10:32 am
How many fans will still whine about Jameis in 2020 if he’s resigned?
I suspect the same few…
December 29th, 2019 at 10:32 am
Some pretty dumb comments about what kinds of money Winston should make and they always sound so unrealistic
No quarterback in the history of the nfl was dumb enough to sign a 2 year contract for even 5 million less than they would make on a franchise tag. He could and would allow the organization to franchise him 2 years and still make close to 30 million. Stop talking money if your going to talk irrationally. Has nothing to do with his skill more than the going rate in the quarterback market.
However lol at the fans who think the guy who’s thrown the most interceptions in the league since 2015 will go to another team and win a superbowl. No other teams veterans and coaches will even tolerate those kind of mistakes at that high a rate. Stepped up his game enough to make sure we couldn’t draft another quarterback so yea we are stuck with him and a high price tag.
December 29th, 2019 at 10:47 am
I think that the Glazers has already decided that Jameis will play here forever. All that is left is making the deal and signing the contract.
That means that when next season comes around and Jameis looks like a hungover clown car, we can start this all over.
If he plays for the first half today he will break the 30-30 club and the 5000 yard club. Now all he needs is to figure out how to start a season with more wins than losses, that should only take three or four more years. 1-4 start for next season.
December 29th, 2019 at 10:51 am
A former Bucs trench warrior
Had to stop reading there
In his prime he wouldn’t even been able to beat out cappa
December 29th, 2019 at 10:56 am
Hyman Roth…Joe(s) must love The Godfather II…
December 29th, 2019 at 11:34 am
Look around the league between 5-7 QBs on average throw it 40 or more times yet none have the amount of picks and dumb decisions Jameis does
December 29th, 2019 at 12:14 pm
1 million per interception
December 29th, 2019 at 12:58 pm
312.
It’s one team, Atlanta.
Get your facts straight.
December 29th, 2019 at 1:00 pm
He’ll throw at least 3 interceptions today and then afterwards during his presser, regurgitate the same thing over and over regardless of what the question is….”I have to do better and not turn the ball over” and then all you name calling morons will still be happy while regurgitating the same idiotic thoughts….”thats my quarteback, he’s not going anywhere, yes he’s a turnover machine, but, but 5000 yards man, he’s only 25 and setting records”……
Yes he is, including a new one. The first 30/30 QB ever….jeesh! Just move on! Quite a few QB’s will be there at 16-18. The definition of insanity is repeating the same thing over and over again but expecting different results…..no more insanity please!
December 29th, 2019 at 1:04 pm
@Dougyballs Says:
December 29th, 2019 at 10:51 am
A former Bucs trench warrior
Had to stop reading there
In his prime he wouldn’t even been able to beat out cappa.
I tend to think Ian Beckles overrates his own career. I seem to remember him as an average run blocker and below average in pass protect. Tend to think as Demar Dotson as an average pass protect guy with a below average run blocker.
According to Pro Football Reference Dotson has a career approximate value of 49 in 105 starts. Beckles has a career approximate value of 45 in 121 starts. Higher is better.
It seems both Dotson and Beckles are better talkers than players although both probably officially qualify as adequate in their careers but would always be better off replacing them.
December 29th, 2019 at 9:55 pm
“The definition of insanity is repeating the same thing over and over again but expecting different results…..no more insanity please!”
-@MadMax
You understand that this comment is used in a controlled environment, right? This comment is based upon the fact that other variables aren’t the problem. If you put Brees and Winston in the same environment, then whoever played better would obviously be the correct decision. Consistently bucking that decision would Einstein’s definition of “insanity”.
However, this isn’t true. Your knee-jerk hatred of Jameis has led you to completely misunderstand the situation. My advice to you would be to take a deep breath and count to ten before you post.