Reading Jameis
December 23rd, 2019
Tipped off safety.
Joe typed an article earlier today, with postgame quotes from Bucs coach Bucco Bruce Arians, noting despite his reputation, Arians insists Mr. Entertainment, America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, does not stare down receivers.
In fact, Arians said Jameis looks off receivers too much.
Well, reading the words from Houston safety Jahleel Addae, typed by hot dog eating contest-protesting, mock draft-scowling, L.L. Bean-wearing, Second Amendment abolitionist, Mike Florio-arguing, parrot-insensitive, chewing-with-his-mouth-open, soup-gulping, California train-romancing, anti-football proliferation, outhouse-admiring, airline-napping, steerage-flying, Yogi Berra-worshiping, urinal picture-taking, video game-playing, Taylor Swift-listening, pickpocket-thwarting, Bucs-uniform-frowning, Allie-LaForce-smitten, Big-Ten-Network-hating, pedestrian-bumping, olive oil-lapping, popcorn-munching, coffee-slurping, fried-chicken-eating, oatmeal-loving, circle-jerking, craft beer-chugging, cricket-watching, scone-loathing, college football-naïve, baseball-box-score-reading, NPR-honk, filthy-hotel-staying, fight-instigating, barista-training, Budweiser-tolerant, baseball scorecard-keeping, pasta-feasting, vomit-dodging scrooge, Kay Adams-following social activist NFL insider Peter King of NBC Sports, Addae got a jump on his pick by, in part, watching where Jameis looked.
I think I just loved what Houston safety Jahleel Addae did to win the game against Tampa Bay. Not only intercepting Jameis Winston in his hometown—the seven-year vet was playing a pro game in Tampa for the first time—but how he did it. “In a big game, with the game on the line, sometimes you’ve got to take risks,” said Addae. On third-and-one with 90 seconds left and the Texans preserving a 23-20 lead, Jameis Winston looked left and Addae figured he’d throw to the sidelines because Tampa needed to stop the clock. Addae jumped the route and picked it off. “It’s playing the game within a game,” said Addae. “I know they were gonna throw it to the sidelines, and when Jameis threw, I just jumped it.” If the receiver had made a double-move, with Addae left in the dark there and not defending the play, he’d have gotten in hot water. But he knew where Winston was going, and it made all the difference in Houston’s win.
That’s just smart by Addae. That’s being aware. Knowing the Bucs needed to save time he figured Jameis was going to the sidelines. When Jameis looked there, that’s all Addae needed to know.
To Joe, more upsetting was that Jameis was targeting that stiff Dare Ogunbowale who shouldn’t even be on the roster.
Remember what happened the last time at the Den of Depression Jameis targeted that glorified XFL running back with a pass late in the game needing to march the ball downfield for a score?
That’s what’s called ignoring history.
December 23rd, 2019 at 11:17 am
The same play that was intercepted to Barber vs the 49ers
December 23rd, 2019 at 11:42 am
but according to BA, JW does a great job of looking off DBs….lol….
i like the staff you’ve put together BA but stop the BS…..
hold JW accountable…..rip him a new one publicly just like you’ve done everyone else…..
GO BUCS!!!!!!
December 23rd, 2019 at 11:43 am
They say the great thing about Winston is that he ignores history and keeps firing……really?
December 23rd, 2019 at 11:43 am
Reading Jameis is like reading MAD Magazine….
December 23rd, 2019 at 11:45 am
Let’s keep in mind the series of events.
Winston, on the previous two drives, watched his “stud” TE’s drop critical balls on series that would have given the Bucs the lead.
On this final drive Winston, on this play, is playing it safe. He’s not looking downfield, he shouldn’t be relying on his TE’s to do anything, Permian just took a shot to the head and Winston is playing safe with a pass to the 3rd string RB. The defender was ready.
I will say I HATE these outside outside flat passes – they get intercepted way too often. In this case the defender was ready and Winston was playing safe – taking the “easy” pass instead of “forcing” it downfield.
BTW, the week 1 loss, that last INT was also to Dare, who got clobbered and knocked to the ground on the play by the angry ginger Jensen. Two critical last series loses, both passes going to Dare. If we want to upgrade the RB spot – start with who is our pass catcher.
December 23rd, 2019 at 11:47 am
All you had to do was read the interview with VHIII. They knew what he does and just needed to get their hands on a couple balls to win. Well did they? And every team in the NFL knows it too. The only question left is their offense and defense. Saturday proved theirs could .
December 23rd, 2019 at 11:52 am
Doesn’t stare down receivers? what a crock… They have this thing called instant replay, check it out.
Couple that with JW throwing like he’s gunning someone down at home plate, same old JW….and without ME and Godwin making circus catches JW’s numbers wouldn’t be nearly as impressive…
December 23rd, 2019 at 11:53 am
Every competent defensive coordinator has the book on Jameis he’s just too dumb to learn from his mistakes and know his limits
December 23rd, 2019 at 11:56 am
Yep it’s Dare’s fault ..smh
December 23rd, 2019 at 11:56 am
Here’s a fun fact…
Brad Johnson threw a first series INT in 2 of the Bucs 3 games in the 2002 playoffs (SF, OAK). He also threw another INT on the 2nd series of another game (PHI).
So Brad Johnson, the ultimate game manager super safe no mistakes QB, threw three INTs in the opening four series of the playoffs.
Amazing what an all-time great defense does for your rep.
December 23rd, 2019 at 11:59 am
@rod munch the one that Richard Sherman intercepted?
December 23rd, 2019 at 12:00 pm
I love Jameis but like everyone else super frustrated with the inconsistency. I don’t see anyone the Bucs can move on as I think the Raheem rule (“I will tolerate..”) is in effect for now. That said….here is the conundrum as I see it….you franchise him….27M for one year. You try and resign Barrett, Suh, Paul (& now Perriman too) at least and keep the emerging defense intact. You go for it in the draft addressing other key needs (RB1, OT, maybe DL). If it works out…..you win at least 10 games which you should have this year if any of the breaks went our way and you make playoffs for first time. However I am more worried about the if it doesn’t part. Worst I see us is 8-8 again if they sign all those players….then what? You still don’t have a QB1 and you still wouldn’t be in a position to draft a franchise QB…..then what? My point in all of this becomes this……if the BUCs are at 18…..and Herbert is still there…..don’t you HAVE to take him (I doubt he will be there as QBs always go higher than they should but don’t you have to use your 1st or 2nd pick on a QB OR you have to swallow hard and just pay Jameis say 4 years 25M?
December 23rd, 2019 at 12:01 pm
Jean Lafitte – Dare isn’t regally very good. Not his fault on the INT, but they need to upgrade the pass catching back situation. Dare has had a ton of chances to do something this year, and he stands out for two plays, getting knocked down by Jensen on a screen pass to end the 49ers game – and being the target here. Not saying either was his fault – but those are his standout plays to me.
December 23rd, 2019 at 12:04 pm
hope the glazers wake up ….. and realize they are being BAMBOOZALED
December 23rd, 2019 at 12:04 pm
Here’s a fun fact…
Only in Rods mind would he suggest anyone on this site said Brad was perfect and made no mistakes.
December 23rd, 2019 at 12:07 pm
The way Arian’s defends Winsome & blames everyone but him for all the bad throws/decisions, it sounds like we are stuck with this prima dona for at least another year. I don’t believe Arian’s when he said no decisions have been made for any player next year. Didn’t he say Shaq wasn’t going anywhere. Liar, liar pants on fire.
December 23rd, 2019 at 12:08 pm
Rod – no question our TE’s were not ready for the big game either. It’s not usual for Brate to miss like that. Now for OJ, I have admit I am no longer a believer, the dude is stiff, he can’t adjust to the ball, his hands are made of stone, is avoiding injury by avoiding contact. Not great qualities for a 1st round TE.
Ira said it best about OJ, (paraphrasing) ‘he’s an athlete, but not a football player.’
BA’s post game quote sums up the drops and bad quarterback decisions (paraphrasing). ‘JW trusts some of those guys more than I do’.
That clearly means two things, 1) BA had a conversation with JW about what throws and who to throw to and 2) there will he personnel changes prior to the 2020 season.
The work is not done yet to turn this team around. Incredible progress this year. Another draft, OTA’s and Preseason in this system, with these coaches and we should be ready for the playoffs next year.
I won’t be surprised by any decision made on JW. Long term, short term, franchise tag, test the market, let walk… All those decisions can be supported with what JW has shown over 5 yrs.
I’d be interested in Carr, Bridgewater, Brady (stretch for many reasons I know), Luck if he wants it and is mentally/physically ready and JW if he could play the game smarter. His body of work makes that if a Big IF!
In BA I Trust!
December 23rd, 2019 at 12:08 pm
Sarasota Garey – I don’t remember who intercepted the pass, but it was on the last drive where the Bucs were still in it. Was a “safe” screen pass – Winston throws the ball, it appears to be an overthrow, and is returned for a TD. Everyone on this board says Winston is awful, blah blah blah. Next day I watch the All 22 film and clear as day you can see the play develop and watch that angry ginger Jensen run out to setup to block on the screen, and when he suddenly stops and turns around, Dare runs right into him. Winston is already releasing the gall at this point. So from the TV angle it looks like he sails the. All – but no, that’s where Dare was supposed to be. I explain the play here and all the triggered idiots, who didn’t watch it, say it’s not true – it’s all lies… the Arians comes out later the same day and says the same thing, the INT wasn’t on Winston. Again, the idiots here get triggered and say everyone is a liar.
December 23rd, 2019 at 12:12 pm
man that 1st pick was just as bad… looked at the reciever the whole time. How picks did the Texans drop? 3 at least.
December 23rd, 2019 at 12:18 pm
@rod Im talking about the one he threw to Payten Barber, it was the same out route, and Richard Sherman intercepted it, for a pick six, box plays were poor passes to the runningbacks.
December 23rd, 2019 at 12:19 pm
Sport – a good post, you made a statement and backed it up with info. In any case Winston is back next year, I have zero doubts there. No way Arians is starting over with a new QB and there isn’t anyone on the market that is even close to Winston (not counting Brady who isn’t coming here).
The Brate drop cost the team the game – and him and his $7m are gone next year. This is also because BA really doesn’t use his TE’s much so they don’t need a $7m backup who can block. It’s a disappointing end to Brate’s Buc career. For OJ I have no idea what happened – he was a stud his last two years – and this year has been terrible. But Brate should get a draft pick I think – we shall see.
Next year I fully expect a big leap forward by Winston, the same way Palmer went from 24 INTs down to like 11 or something. The defense has been better and Winston will have had a full year under his belt. If Winston doesn’t improve – well – then Arians retires and the team is blown up yet again and it’s smother 5 years of rebuilds.
December 23rd, 2019 at 12:26 pm
Jameis has been INT free in 4 of 15 games this year so thinking he’s magically gonna change next year is the definition of insanity
He has 5 games of 3 INT or more
Opponents have scored 93 points off his INTs
He has 32 combined turnovers in 15 games
It’s about decision making and he’s just not playing smart consistent football.
Right now he has the same amount of total turnovers as he does total TDs. That’s not a winning formula
December 23rd, 2019 at 12:26 pm
Sarasota – on the INT to Barber, based on the all 22, it sure looked like Winston was throwing it inside and Barber went outside. Arians later came out and said that is what happened if my memory serves me correct. Obviously I don’t know what route was called so I have no idea – but the two were not on the same page. Then the other INT of week 1 was 100% on OJ for juggling the ball.
Oh and Dare does stand out for another play – in Atlanta where he knocks the ball into the air for an INT. Some say it’s not his fault, the pass was high, but when I was a kid playing football, the coaches would bench you for the game if you knocked a ball in the air. The saying was, if you can get a hand on it – you catch it – and we didn’t have the super sticky gloves if today.
December 23rd, 2019 at 12:29 pm
312 – Winston also leads the NFL in passing, has thrown it more than anyone, has the 3rd highest scoring team in the NFL. I notice you didn’t mention that or the 31st ranked scoring defense. It’s almost as if you’re a dishonest turd with an agenda. LOL!
Don’t get all fake offended with the turd line, it’s just a funny word that describes people like you well.
December 23rd, 2019 at 12:30 pm
He said it best, double moves are never incorporated into or out routes especially now that everyone knows where hew is going with it. If there is only single coverage and no other route near then why not a hard cut sucker him in a quick pump fake and boom big play with less chance of a pick. I put the lack of imagination on our OC when it comes to the same routes over and over being that Winstons gameplan is like a wide open book. Of course he could also throw with a little more zip on them or in a better spot where only the receiver can get it.
December 23rd, 2019 at 12:31 pm
I wish the Bucs would have made a move to get K. Drake he can Run Catch an Pass Block an he’s a big upgrade over Dare
December 23rd, 2019 at 12:34 pm
Rod of course like all the other ones he has a an agenda that’s why when he has a great game you don’t hear a peep or anything positive about him because a number of them hate him for other than football reasons and judge him harshly as if they’re pillars of society. Only 2 of them that I see give props when props are due.
December 23rd, 2019 at 12:38 pm
Rod, stop crying and whining about Winston. 5 year sis long enough. He’s in another 4 vert offense. Don’t give us that BS. You Winston lovers are bad for this franchise. JW is a loser. Period. No one cares about how many yards you throw for. Does he win games? No. He’s a LOSER.
December 23rd, 2019 at 12:42 pm
lol… brate lost the game. lmao
December 23rd, 2019 at 12:47 pm
Rod
The defense has 5 defensive TDs so that factors into the 3rd highest scoring team so pump the breaks on crediting the turnover machine for the 3rd highest scoring team. He hasn’t scored all 436 points solo
Without the defensive scores the offense averages 26 points a game.
No agenda, I wanted Jameis drafted here when he does well I praise him for playing how he is supposed to play when he plays crappy like he usually does I critique him justly. I hope he does well as I like winning more than I like being right about him not living up to his draft status.
His turnovers and mistakes are killing this teams chances of winning. Ina league where so many games are one score games you can’t give your opponents free points and field position
Not sure how you don’t see that. But I guess it’s hard to watch the game when your face is in Jameis’s crotch
December 23rd, 2019 at 12:54 pm
I said it a couple days ago. If Winston is anything, he is consistent. He will throw the same exact pass in the same exact circumstance over and over again without worrying about the outcome. How else do you throw countless interceptions on out routes, almost every game?
You can set your bowel movements to it.
The guy has no conscience, no memory, and no regrets. Would anybody if there were never any consequences for F’ing up?
December 23rd, 2019 at 12:55 pm
Even DB’s in diapers have the book on Winston memorized.
December 23rd, 2019 at 12:57 pm
Every team says the same things every week….they know Winston is going to give them opportunities. Its just a matter of them making the play. When every team every week is getting turnovers in the same manner, there’s something that tips them off. Maybe its the scripted plays…maybe its where he looks….its something and its been that way for 5 yrs.
December 23rd, 2019 at 12:58 pm
O, yeah I dont know anything about routes etc.. it just seemed eerily the same.
December 23rd, 2019 at 1:00 pm
I really think next year the Bucs should bring in a guy like Sean Mannion- backup for Vikings, as competition for Jameis- he is coached by Kevin Stepanski- an excellent Offensive Coordinator and QB coach.
Mannion holds or did hold Pac 10 record for passing yards, which should get Joe salivating.
December 23rd, 2019 at 1:00 pm
Not a Dare fan. Not sure why he continues to get so many reps on passing downs. He has not progressed in my opinion.
I said this yesterday. On the last interception, there were 5 receivers going out. Three of them were just going just past the first down marker. The easiest throw was to OJ Howard who had a linebacker covering him over the middle. It would have gotten the 1st down but unlikely that he would have gotten out of bounds.
That was a typical Jameis giveth play. Sometimes he makes that tough throw and instead of losing time on the clock, we get a 1st down and out of bounds. Unfortunately, it was the unfortunate Jameis play.
Not on the play caller, not on Dare, that one was on Jameis and his decision.
December 23rd, 2019 at 1:13 pm
JW is just a stupid MFer
December 23rd, 2019 at 1:21 pm
i pay for season tkts so…. bucs pls get a more accurate qb
December 23rd, 2019 at 1:28 pm
T rex is right on point you just cant say it any better JW lovers are bringing this franchise down including the coach . What he is just magically going to not throw interception .and you notice when he throws one he runs over to the coach and gets his face patted / Like a bitch
December 23rd, 2019 at 1:45 pm
It bears repeating myself from a previous post lol.
When JW returns next year (not something I would care for)
They must have him wear and get used to wearing a face shield tinted as dark as the Vader himself so that he doesn’t keep telegraphing his plays to the opposing defenses. Wish someone could get that done.
Go Bucs!
December 23rd, 2019 at 1:54 pm
312…
#3 offense.
#31 defense.
The offense is killing the team.
LOL!
December 23rd, 2019 at 2:00 pm
Here’s the problem I have with that play:
When they broke “huddle” JW KNEW where he was throwing to.
When Dare motioned out is when EVERYONE else KNEW where he was throwing the ball.
He didn’t look him off, he didn’t check other routes, it was Dare or nothing. Dare!
December 23rd, 2019 at 2:02 pm
Addae said it perfectly, “playing the game within the game.” It’s called anticipation, recognition, and knowing when to take risks. Winston does a poor job reading defenses and always seems to be a step behind anticipating the next move. Game circumstances and down & distance dictate play calling on both sides of the ball. I remember him admitting to Koetter during Hard Knocks that he didn’t even think about what down it was at times just running the offense. This explains why he’s not a good at game management, which is the easiest part of being an NFL QB.
December 23rd, 2019 at 2:16 pm
You would need to be a cross eyed dyslexic to read Jamyth
December 23rd, 2019 at 2:24 pm
Wait… I must make an apology. I always say if I mess up, I lead with a correction, and I messed up.
The Panthers have somehow managed to pass the Bucs, so I need to update the rankings…
#3 offense
#30 defense!
That’s right, the defense, which has spent most of the year at #31, has moved up to #30!
Actually the defense has been playing better lately, which is great and what you’d want to see from all those young DBs (DBs in Bucs talk means defensive backs, which are not the same as the DB’s that comment on this site, LOL!).
December 23rd, 2019 at 2:45 pm
How can you read Jameis when he doesn’t even know where the ball will go when he throws it.
December 23rd, 2019 at 3:04 pm
Please stop repeating these lies from Bullchit Bruce regarding him looking off receivers. That is the exception, not the norm with Jameis. He absolutely stares guys down and it’s one of the most frustrating things for me about him.
You could count on 1 hand the amount of times Jameis has pump faked in his entire pro career…
I don’t understand how he has not improved that part of his game, still.
December 23rd, 2019 at 3:10 pm
Wait the safety made a play and JW didn’t expect it?!
I thought the INTS were because the WR/RB/OL or wind, now the Def too!!!
Only one person is throwing the ball.
December 23rd, 2019 at 3:35 pm
So Rod, JW hasn’t had anything to do with the defenses points against? The Bucs are a very respectable 15th in yards. Something isn’t adding up to support your agenda.
December 23rd, 2019 at 3:49 pm
The defense has been playing phenomenal over the last month+.
Anybody that’s crying about our overall ranking doesn’t know what they are talking about.
We changed to a completely different concept from the Tampa2 base to a 3-4. It’s normal to play poor while learning a entirely new concept.
Now the defense has it down and is playing lights out. This is the moment we have all been waiting for in Winston’s career here. And on Saturday in his first big test he flat out crapped his pants. No sugarcoating it.
No that one game should not define him but he’s gotta get better. The defense is now capable of backing him up if he doesn’t ruin the game. Winston got one option……Get better then that. Otherwise every season will end in heart break.
GO BUCS!!
December 23rd, 2019 at 4:17 pm
JimmyJack- Can you trust that Jameis will not do the same thing over and over, even despite the defense turning it around? Are you banking on the defense being able to bail out Jameis again and again?
I’d feel more comfortable if this is not what we have seen for FIVE years.
Can the Bucs trust Jameis Winston?
If you’re asking me, I’m hedging my bets. I’d be looking for a back-up plan.
December 23rd, 2019 at 4:34 pm
Bucsfanman…….I think the 5 seasons makes it very tough. But I do believe learning a new system is a big deal. To answer your question. No I cannot trust it but I also won’t write Winston off. Improving in the second year of this offense wouldn’t shock me at all.
But I will trust Bruce. I believe he knows QB and knows if he can get Winston to ay better. Whatever he decides I am OK with.
Also think there have been improvements in Winston this year if you look beyond statistics. His fumbling problem has gone away for example.
December 23rd, 2019 at 4:34 pm
For all the analysis, a lot of times JW just throws it up for grabs. He’s uncoachable, no matter the coach.
December 23rd, 2019 at 4:40 pm
This just in for the Stares Down Receivers crowd, it was a 5 yard out. You HAVE to stare down the receiver, any out pattern less than 15 yards requires the QB to turn his whole body in the direction of the throw immediately after he hits his drop point. Please quit announcing to everyone how stupid you are.
December 23rd, 2019 at 4:41 pm
Favre threw 29 INTs in his one and only season in NY under a new system and coach. I guess he was done at that point and didn’t go on to have his best ever season the following year with the Vikings.
December 23rd, 2019 at 4:51 pm
Yeah let’s blame ogunbowale for the interception. That’s what history tells us…
December 23rd, 2019 at 4:54 pm
Brandon……….Cool Favre story but you didn’t tell the best part. Which is always the ending. And that Vikings run ended how? Bitter defeat in the playoffs via a Favreeltdown multipick game………Almost hurts to type that too.
December 23rd, 2019 at 4:55 pm
Favre meltdown*
December 23rd, 2019 at 5:09 pm
@Rodney Munch Says:
December 23rd, 2019 at 1:54 pm
312…
#3 offense.
#31 defense.
The offense is killing the team.
LOL!
I thought you have in the past blamed Winston’s poor play in part because we have had a bad defense.
This year you have to blame a large part of our scoring defense (30th not 31st) on Jameis and the poor field position he has given them.
The Bucs defense has been given the worst starting field position of any team this year through 15 games. Some of that may be on special teams but most of that is on the turnovers.
Short fields from Winston turnovers and his six pick-sixes put 97 points on the board for the Bucs’ opponents this season, over 23 percent of their allowed points.
And that does not even give credit to recent games where they have not given up any points after turnovers.
Bucs have given up 421 points with 28 interceptions from their quarterback. New Orleans has given up 331 points with 6 interceptions from their quarterback. There is a strong correlation.
December 23rd, 2019 at 6:41 pm
Patrickbucs – The Bucs in 2015 were #10 in defense and everyone here celebrated when Lovie was fired.
Obviously there’s a massive conspiracy at work here…
December 23rd, 2019 at 6:49 pm
geno711 – The Bucs are not last in defensive field position, they’re #29.
Also, Winston’s pick-sixes have put 97 points on the board… Wait… 97/7 = 13.8 INTs returned for TDs? LOL!
I’m guessing math isn’t your strong suit.
Also if your idea of a cutdown is to say a 25-year old Winston in his first year is not as good as a 40-year old first ballot HOFer who is the NFL’s all-time passing leader… Yeah, OK, I agree – Winston is no Drew Brees…. You got me.
Anywho you’re not very good at making logical arguments.
December 23rd, 2019 at 6:59 pm
*first year of a new offense…
December 24th, 2019 at 5:01 am
I stand corrected. 29th in field position then and 30th in points scored. Another correlation.
But read again Munch – are you that stupid?
The pick sixes and the short field after turnovers together lead to 97 points.
Like this past week. Three turnovers lead to 17 points.
One pick six lead to 7 points. The other turnovers lead to another 10 points. Those together add to 17 points.
How ignorant do you want to be?
P.S. New Orleans started Teddy Bridgewater for 6 games this year.
P.P.S. And yes at 40 years old, Brees is still better than Winston and yes at age 25 Brees was way better than Winston is 25.