Bruce Arians: “This Shakes A Quarterback Up, Especially When You’re Getting Hammered About Throwing Interceptions”
November 21st, 2019
Rattled Jameis Winston?
Bucco Bruce Arians was talking quarterbacks with his good friend yesterday before a national radio audience.
Sadly every discussion about America’s Quarterback is somehow will include chatter about his eye-popping total of 18 interceptions in 10 games this season. Heck, if Jameis basically cuts his interception rate in half over the final six games, he would still finish with 24 picks on the season. Ouch!
Hall of Fame general manager Bill Polian, Arians’ former boss, talked to Arians about those picks on SiriusXM NFL Radio.
Arians went to the throws catchable passes that were tipped and picked this season, such as the one by O.J. Howard early against the Saints on Sunday.
Arians painted a picture of Jameis letting the bad luck linger in his head.
“Bill, you know, this shakes a quarterback up, especially when you’re getting hammered about throwing interceptions, you know,” Arians said. “But again he bounced back pretty good. The late [picks] in the game, they’re just late interceptions. Throw it 51 times and something bad is going to happen.”
Yes, Joe screamed at the radio when Arians said that last sentence.
Arians said he admires Jameis’ resiliency, even if he gets shaken.
“That’s what I love about the kid. I mean, he bounces right back, even now during the games,” Arians said. “He has a resiliency about him and I really like it about him.”
Joe is so tired about all this interception chatter. Hopefully, Jameis will find a way to keep it to one pick per game at most.
November 21st, 2019 at 10:49 am
I’m tired of interception talk as well. It’s an easy target and low hanging fruit
November 21st, 2019 at 10:50 am
Yeah. Having competition, accountability…shakes him up too. Can’t have none of that…
November 21st, 2019 at 10:50 am
And the passes are all tight window passes. ME13 is rank 70 in separation yards and Gowdin ranked 115 and Perriman is last.
November 21st, 2019 at 10:52 am
wake me when the jw experiment is over
November 21st, 2019 at 10:53 am
I’m more tired of the interceptions…..and I think the interception chatter would cease if the interceptions weren’t there.
Surely, I would shake Jameis up to have an early interception in his own territory on a good pass that should have been caught…..probably shook up OJ also.
November 21st, 2019 at 10:59 am
As long as he is playing football, the conversation will always be about turnovers. That’s who he is and how he’s built.
Hoping for something different is all that’s left. Hope.
JW = Fools Gold
In BA I Trust!
November 21st, 2019 at 11:04 am
Jameis throws a whole lot, so picks will happen,. just as a home run hitter strikes out a lot when they are not hitting home runs.
November 21st, 2019 at 11:08 am
I’m not tired of “interception talk”…that is stupid, because they’re REAL. What I’m TIRED of are INTERCEPTIONS and turnovers by America’s Grop…..errrr, Quarterback.
November 21st, 2019 at 11:20 am
I asked this on Twitter and I’ll ask it here: Who is hammering Jameis about throwing interceptions? He can’t be talking about the fans because Jameis has said on numerous occasions it’s just noise outside the building that he doesn’t pay attention to.
I don’t expect an actual answer. I’m just wondering out loud.
November 21st, 2019 at 11:25 am
yeah i am sick of interception talk too!!! so lets get rid of the guy that throws them all!! ok so the guy ran the wrong route,…THEN DO NOT THROW HIM THE BALL!!! whatever it is about the guy winston costs a lot of games with early turn overs and turnovers that seal the game for the other team
November 21st, 2019 at 11:25 am
Gunslingers vs. game managers.
Gunslingers throw a lot of INTs, but balance that with a lot of TDs.
They need TWICE as many TDs as INTs, at a minimum.
Jameis Winston has NEVER had a TD/INT ratio of at least 2:1!
Game managers throw fewer INTs, because they take fewer chances, but still need to throw enough TDs to keep their teams’ offense in the games. But they help their defenses immensely by not giving short fields to the opponents, or worse yet gifting them free touchdowns with pick 6’s.
tickrdr
November 21st, 2019 at 11:27 am
No one would mind JW3 throwing lots of INTs, provided he threw TWO or THREE times as many TDs, at least.
tickrdr
November 21st, 2019 at 11:32 am
Probably Arians should know that this is his first year with JW, we are on our fifth!!!!!
One thing is one incosistent year, maybe two because he came as a rookie, buy 5 years of incosistency is way to much
November 21st, 2019 at 11:38 am
76 interceptions
22 lost fumbles
98 turnovers
Who wouldn’t be sick of that?
November 21st, 2019 at 11:40 am
Threw 51 passes and only 8 running plays called in a offense predicated on Play Action Pass…let that sink in
November 21st, 2019 at 11:44 am
I don’t know why Jameis would be shaken… He had the most turnovers in year 1, then again in year 2, and again in year 3, and did it again in year 4…. so I don’t think doing it again in year 5 is going to shake him up too much
November 21st, 2019 at 12:04 pm
Jalen Hurts would sure look good in our ugly a$$ uniforms and he shouldn’t cost a first rounder. 2-3 really highly rated offensive tackles coming out in 2020 that could help us immensely. Gotta build the team the right way and a cheap qb can help us do that. Paying Winston big money is beyond irresponsible and foolish. I wish him luck elsewhere, but he’s got to go.
November 21st, 2019 at 12:06 pm
But, but, but – Peyton Manning threw a HUNDRED interceptions from 1998 – 2003! And Brett Favre led the league in interceptions THREE times! And multiple other Hall of Famers threw a TON of picks as well!!
Now, none of that matters, of course, because drawing false equivalencies to those other QB’s has absolutely ZERO correlation to Jameis Winston. Besides, whataboutism is a fool’s errand, anyway. The calling card of a feeble mind, it is.
But for some, that is their entire argument as to why Winston is really a “franchise” QB destined for the Hall of Fame. That and a couple picayune “advanced stats” one has to quite literally hammer off a mountain of other data which proves otherwise. All to prop up a QB whose time in TB really needs to end, mercifully, for the sake of the team and the fans’ sanity….
November 21st, 2019 at 12:07 pm
I think that 4.5 years of Winston excuses is long enough.
November 21st, 2019 at 12:14 pm
Nimrod1of1,
On top of everything you stated (which is true) none of Jay-Miss’ sycophants would dare compare him to his modern day contemporaries who are generally regarded as Top 10 QBs in the NFL. Manning and Favre played in different eras. If they’re going to do that then they may as well compare Jay-Miss’ numbers to Otto Graham and Johnny Unitas.
November 21st, 2019 at 12:18 pm
lamarcus
we know…
JW has never thrown an INT that was his fault…..lol….
every INT JW has thrown was because of the:
WRs
oline
RBs
OCs
Refs
weather
suspension
playing in london
uber driver
lovie
JW is the perfect QB that is never at fault for his poor play….
GO BUCS!!!!!
November 21st, 2019 at 12:19 pm
Get use to it. Arians likes Jameis and still thinks he can turn him around. Winston will be franchised for at least another year despite this season. I have doubts Arains can work his magic with our turnover King. May God help us!
November 21st, 2019 at 1:00 pm
tickdr
As usual that was a great point. I “guess” I knew that but never gave it as much thought as you.
I’ve always liked the saying there is more than one way to achieve a goal. Teams have won with both kinds of QB’s.
November 21st, 2019 at 1:05 pm
Why does Winston always lose the real game in the first half?
November 21st, 2019 at 1:28 pm
The “what if” game.
On one side of the coin:
One the other:
November 21st, 2019 at 1:34 pm
Arians has no choice but to attempt to find nice things to say about Winston. He realizes he is stuck with him for the rest of the season. No sense in bashing kid he is doing the best he is able to do. Which isn’t very good…
November 21st, 2019 at 2:54 pm
And I suppose at this point it’s all social medias fault too.
November 21st, 2019 at 2:56 pm
LUV
Bingo!
November 21st, 2019 at 2:58 pm
@SPBF: Thank you and a hat tip to you, sir!
Here’s a repost for you from earlier this year. Everyone else, please ignore.
tickrdr Says:
January 5th, 2019 at 12:58 pm
My yardstick for good QB play is the TD %age minus the INT%age.
Nothing about wins because that is a TEAM statistic.
Nothing about yards because that means little, if you do not score points.
The last five NFL MVPs were all QBs, and had the following:
Their TD percentages during their MVP years were:
And subtracting their INT percentages yields:
2017 Brady = 5.5% – INT 1.4% = 4.4
2016 Ryan = 7.1% – INT 1.3% = 5.8
2015 Newton = 7.1% – INT 2.0% = 5.1
2014 Rodgers = 7.3% – INT 1.0% = 6.3
2013 Manning = 8.3% – INT 1.5% = 6.8
The majority of playoff QB’s always have a TD%age > 5%.
The higher the difference of those two percentages, the better the QB play.
Unfortunately you need BOTH to be a successful QB, i.e. throw enough TD passes to score points, while limiting INTs to keep from handicapping your defense. A simpler way to look at this is the TD/INT ratio, which is at least
2:1 for any QB to be in the conversation as being GOOD, let alone GREAT.
Despite being the #1 overall pick, in his 4th year starting, and having all of
those “weapons for Winston”, JW3 has not had even ONE season with twice as many TDs as INTs. Which of any of the younger (in number of NFL starts, not chronological age) QBs could we trade Winston for?
Mayfield? Watson? Trubisky? Wentz? Goff? Mahomes? All drafted after him!
tickrdr
BTW: Winston’s number for TD% – INT% for this year is 1.3, which is worse than the last two years, and ties his rookie number.
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tickrdr
November 21st, 2019 at 3:09 pm
I have no problem with Jameis being franchised a year as long as we draft another quarterback that is expected to do more than just rake up a roster spot (Griffin). My problem would be giving Jameis a long term contract now. Too much cap money for an unknown.
November 21st, 2019 at 3:49 pm
And I’m tired of his turnovers being the deciding factor of why we lose 75% of the time.
November 21st, 2019 at 4:11 pm
Nimrod1of1 Says:
November 21st, 2019 at 12:06 pm
But, but, but – Peyton Manning threw a HUNDRED interceptions from 1998 – 2003! And Brett Favre led the league in interceptions THREE times! And multiple other Hall of Famers threw a TON of picks as well!!
^^^ Yes but they also threw an a$$ ton of touchdowns. They also threw 50+ times A LOT. They also didn’t throw picks in the clutch part of games. If you just look at stats you can compare but if you look at game logs of when those picks were thrown you would see that Winston throws picks in the most critical parts on the game. Also if you look at when the bulk of TDs are thrown you would see that the Farves and Mannings make those clutch throws when the game is close and winnable NOT when the game is out of reach and just garbage time stats. HUGE DIFFERENCE when you put those stats into context.
November 21st, 2019 at 4:48 pm
tickrdr
Great work. As usual
I apologize for the late response, but I also answered your question concerning the QB Prospects on the other tread.
November 21st, 2019 at 5:59 pm
For those who missed it, our HC Bruce Arians said this:
“Throw it 51 times and something bad is going to happen.”
One more time, “Throw it 51 times and something bad is going to happen”
And again: “Throw it 51 times and something bad is going to happen”
For good measure: “Throw it 51 times and something bad is going to happen”
November 21st, 2019 at 6:10 pm
Statistically….I believe on avg Winston is good for two turnovers if he drops back 32x…or more. Opposing teams mention this nearly every week as a part of their game plan they are banking on. They know with more reps comes opportunities to cash in. You just can’t win with 2…3…4…5 turnovers week after week after week.
November 21st, 2019 at 6:21 pm
Hopefully, Jameis will find a way to keep it to one pick per game at most.
If Jameis was able to do this , Bucs would be 6-4 and in the hunt.
He hasn’t been able to limit turnovers and there is no reason to believe he will do so in the future.
November 21st, 2019 at 9:06 pm
@LUVMYBUCS:
Thank you, and a hat tip to you also.
Thanks for the response about the QB choices as well. I’ll be sure to check that out.
You are still my choice for GM, if the Glazers ever come to their senses.
tickrdr
November 21st, 2019 at 9:44 pm
tickdr
Also agree with you about LUV. I’m not a big college football fan. Too uneven of a playing field for the majority of games. Parity is not a consideration.
So when the draft rolls around LUV is my go to…even more than Walter Football…BSPN etc
November 21st, 2019 at 10:56 pm
All the Haters giving each other reach around- it’s comical. No QB will succeed in THIS offense with THIS offensive line. Idiots
November 21st, 2019 at 11:40 pm
The interceptions are a talking point and nothing more. Carson Palmer had 22ints in 2013 with the Cardinals and they won 10 games. You all like to argue that more turnovers/ints = defense allowing more ppg, which is just not how it works.
’19 Bucs D ppg allowed: 32
’13 Cards D ppg allowed: 19
So much for that theory. If your defense is trash, your defense is trash. Point blank period. And THIS defense? It’s been trash for about a decade.
And another thing:
When is that last time this team has had a running back rush for 100 yards in a game? …. yeah, had to search back into the archives for that one. Doesn’t running the football and controlling the clock give your defense more rest and keep them off the field, especially if they can’t stop ANYBODY? Hmmm… how is THAT one young Jameis’ fault? Can’t wait to hear this one!
November 21st, 2019 at 11:51 pm
One of the most egregious things that Arians did was NOT bring in a real back up to compete. In fact, he went opposite so that JW wouldn’t look over his shoulder. If Arians thought this was a playoff roster then he should have had someone ready to go if Winston melted down.
Bad all around.