The Left Coast Jameis
November 19th, 2019
Double standard.
You know it is true. Don’t deny it.
If Joe ran a poll on this here website, or if you asked the common Bucs fan exiting the Den of Depression after another loss to choose one of two quarterbacks lead the Bucs next year, Philip Rivers or America’s Quarterback, you can safely bet Rivers would win the poll over Pro Bowler Jameis Winston.
Yet Rivers is the left coast version of Jameis, just to inform those who are so hung up on interceptions.
Turn on national radio and you would think Jameis is the second coming of Marcus Mariota he’s such a rotten quarterback. Those same shows sing the praises of Rivers. You know the narrative: Rivers is a tough veteran warrior who gives it his all and is the consummate leader, just unlucky to play for a bad franchise.
Why, Joe regularly hears the one and only Chris “Mad Dog” Russo host Ira Kaufman during football season on SiriusXM and the two act like Rivers is underrated and misunderstood, and is a right-handed version of Steve Young who should get serious consideration for Canton.
Well, Joe hopes folks have been paying attention the past couple of weeks, in which Rivers has seven picks including four last night in a 24-17 loss to the Chiefs.
Joe can pretty much guess with confidence that you will not find one sports talk show later today, not one of the hollering faces on BSPN or FS1, or any of the satellite radio shows, who will suggest Rivers should be unloaded or benched.
Jameis? Why, he should be thrown in a gulag!
For the season, Jameis has 19 touchdowns in 10 games. Rivers has 15 through 11 games. Rivers has 3,199 yards thrown; Jameis has 3,078. Both are pretty much the same type of quarterbacks except Jameis is mobile and Rivers is about as mobile as a mailbox.
Yet the perception is the two are night and day different quarterbacks. We all know Rivers will get the benefit of the doubt when it comes to picks. It will be buried under the carpet. He threw 21 three years ago and made the Pro Bowl.
Double-standard.
November 19th, 2019 at 12:36 am
+1 for using gulag
Winston is not the problem. This team has epic dysfunctional problems. QB is not one of them.
You geniuses need to watch New England’s Oline sometime; Brady has brazen confidence behind those guys….Winston is trying to just live until the next play…..Brady can feel the Dlinemen breathing on him but he knows they’ll never get the sack…..Winston sees a blitz and hopes maybe 2 of them get blocked Lol
Yeah
Entire defensive secondary is truly terrible
Oline is below average
Coaching seems weak at times
^Those are the problems with your Bucs
November 19th, 2019 at 12:39 am
It’s better to be an old has been than a young never will be.
November 19th, 2019 at 12:39 am
They are night (Winston) & day (Rivers). You nailed the difference between the 2 Joe. #DoubleStandard
November 19th, 2019 at 12:39 am
hmmmmm
I think this is Joe number 2. Joe number 2 I am not sure where to start with you on this one. Rivers is going into the hall of fame some day. He has been having a few bad games. the difference is Jameis Winstons career has been nothing but a few bad games followed by a few good games constantly. Where Rivers has played at such a high level for such a long time and will end up in canton. 2 bad games won’t change that
November 19th, 2019 at 12:40 am
Stop being ridiculous. 7 picks in 2 games is unacceptable for any QB. Jameis has got all the second chances… and thirds and fourths one could reasonable expect over a soon-to-be 5 year run. Chargers are approaching the end with Rivers just as Giants did with Eli. This whining in defense of Jameis is embarrassing. Like he and the Bucs will soon do, move on.
November 19th, 2019 at 12:41 am
@Howard Cosell
Actually according to Next Gen stats Winston has been given more time to throw then Brady on average.
November 19th, 2019 at 12:41 am
Honestly the difference between the Bucs and the Pats is that bad play will get you benched and cut in NE and here in Tamps it’s accepted by the highest powers……although that may have changed at least temporarily…..since BA was given power to cut slackers.
Howard is still not hopeful. He thinks it’s great that the Bucs are practicing accountability, but here in Tampa, accountability is a fad
November 19th, 2019 at 12:42 am
I thought the same thing when Rivers threw for four INTs. I said if that was Jameis everyone would be saying cut the man now. These games happen, Rivers had a game last year where he was 28-29 and completed a record 25 straight completions so it’s not like he’s a bum.
What also stood out is the score and quality of defense.
If this defense could hold teams to 24 or under, we would be 6-4 or 5-4–1 at worst. That would still be in the mix. We are done at 3-7, but we will win just enough to keep us out of a top 5 pick.
November 19th, 2019 at 12:46 am
@Tampa
That could be interpreted as better scheme or receivers getting open.
There’s no doubt Winston has a turnover problem, But he’s also durable as Franco Harris, a huge threat to run, and an above average passer
November 19th, 2019 at 12:47 am
Next gen stats, how about I’m watching the game and I can’t even count to two before Jameis has to evade pass rushers. Even the Cardinals game last week was awful. Jameis has some plays where he just holds it but hot dayum go watch all 22 and tell me how many receivers are visibly open. It’s blanketed coverage.
It appears this year Jameis is feeling the heat in the pocket too. He used to have this innate ability to escape but this year it’s like the pressure comes from both sides and he has nowhere to go.
November 19th, 2019 at 12:49 am
Tampa bucs bro I would like to see how they came up with those numbers. Lmao.
November 19th, 2019 at 12:50 am
An above average passer is subjective. His accuracy is horrific.
November 19th, 2019 at 12:51 am
@Im Tired
https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#average-time-to-throw
November 19th, 2019 at 12:52 am
Oh, Jameis gropes women, while Rivers marries one and has 9 kids with her.
November 19th, 2019 at 1:24 am
last gasp of desperate logic…
November 19th, 2019 at 1:27 am
Rivers? Psst….
Mahomes had a 59% completion and a 72 qbr. Garunteed the won’t even be mentioned. BSPN probably won’t even show his pick either.
Here are my favorite Jameis Winston landing spots in order:
New England
Pittsburgh
Chargers
Chicago
Miami
Washington
Tampa
November 19th, 2019 at 1:28 am
@Mauler
Funny!!
November 19th, 2019 at 1:31 am
We need to make a long term deal for o line development
November 19th, 2019 at 1:36 am
STOOPID COMPARISON…
Philip Rivers has only had 4 losing seasons out of 14. He also has a higher completion % and lower INT % and turnover % in his career.
NICE TRY!
November 19th, 2019 at 1:38 am
Seriously? When did you let Jay-mis start posting as “Joe”?
November 19th, 2019 at 1:45 am
@JOE THE BEST Future for JW3, is to be dropped/cut from this horrible franchise – even if JW3 is relegated to clipboard-holder for a year.
JW3 has a great future in NFL, with the right team. Sad that Bucs will not benefit from what JW3 will achieve…, or what ME13 could have done. Rookie QB will kill ME13 potential….mark my words.
Best for JW3 and Bucs, that ties are cut at end of this year.
November 19th, 2019 at 1:48 am
LOL @DB55 and you homers thinking Jameis is headed to New England!
Belichick is one of the best, if the not the best, coaches in NFL history. He’s not about to sign a turnover machine like Winston. He believes strongly in taking care of the football.
The most powerful data point in all of football that determines the winner of a game more than any other is STARTING FIELD POSITION. No players in the NFL in the last 5 years as helped opposing teams have better starting field position than JAMEIS WINSTON.
You’re out of your mind if you think Bill wants Winston.
November 19th, 2019 at 1:50 am
Why is there this fringe base that thinks Winston is going to land in New England and become the successor to Brady?
November 19th, 2019 at 1:55 am
This is about as accurate as a jw deep ball to djax. Rivers career td to int ratio is at 2-1. Winston is at 4-3. Rivers comp % is 64.5. Winston is 61.2. Rivers qbr is 95. Winston is 86.5. Rivers career w-l % is .552. Winston is .375. Again, that is not an accurate comparison.
November 19th, 2019 at 1:59 am
And also, having been living on the “left coast” for the last 33 years, people have the same reaction to rivers over here as winston gets over there. Either you love him or loathe him. There are very few people who are in the middle with rivers.
November 19th, 2019 at 2:03 am
not from me …how’s he any better?
You’re just trolling
You even laughed about doing this BS on Ira’s podcast
November 19th, 2019 at 2:09 am
Tampabuscsbro Says:
November 19th, 2019 at 1:50 am
Why is there this fringe base that thinks Winston is going to land in New England and become the successor to Brady?
I NEVER SAID that JW3 would land in NE! I have no idea, what clipboard, he will hold next year. I do think he will be a starter somewhere, by end of next year. I have NO idea – where that will be….
November 19th, 2019 at 2:10 am
bruh chill. I wasn’t talking to you.
November 19th, 2019 at 2:10 am
bro chill. I wasn’t talking to you.
November 19th, 2019 at 2:12 am
wherever he goes ..prepare to lose
November 19th, 2019 at 2:21 am
I’m chill @Tampabucsbro. Just sharing my view. We’re cool! Thought your post was directed to me.
I am just hungry for wins – hate losing…
November 19th, 2019 at 2:24 am
When Jameis produces Rivers type numbers that win games, then you can compare:
2018. 12-4. 32 td. 12 int
2009. 13-3. 28 td. 9 int
2006. 14-2. 22 td. 9 int
Career int % 2.6
Jameis career int % 3.3, last 2 years ave is 4.0%
November 19th, 2019 at 3:25 am
Alan
Spot on! I went to the stats as well and there is NO comparison.
This is like comparing Kate Beckinsale to Rosie O’Donnell.
Seriously…you’re going to take TWO FREAKING GAMES for comparison?
Alan posted some pertinent stats I’d just like to add one…the most critical of all…W-L
Career Rivers 122-96 Excuses Winston 24-40
Ints this year…Rivers 10 Winston 18
Now we have to use a two game window to make JW’s suckitude look less bad? This is almost sacrilegious!
It’s time to stop comparing JW to anybody…but especially guys who have made their bones. JW..16 games UNDER .500
Rivers has won 56% of his games…
Pro Bowls River 8 Excuses Winston 1
Two games…really?
November 19th, 2019 at 3:37 am
This post is as delusional as when LD Joe said Ronald Jones getting hit in the backfield on half his carries last season shouldn’t have been an issue for him. Joe, put the Crown Royal down if you are going to post hog wash like this. We all know you have a Jameis fetish. You wouldn’t have dedicated 2900+ posts to him. I also appreciate the Jameis Watch tags, it lets me know which posts to ignore on this here corner of the interwebs.
November 19th, 2019 at 3:46 am
Who cares about Rivers? I don’t root for the Chargers.
The Buccaneers QB is 24-40 and has 98 turnovers in under 5 years.
Rivers has a winning record. God knows how many turnovers Jameis “meaningless stats” Winston will have IF he reaches 15 seasons as a starter like Rivers.
Just throw them both in the same Gulag for all anyone cares.
November 19th, 2019 at 4:47 am
I’ll ask you a different question, Joe, since you mentioned MM:
Say MM was pretty good. Not elite but say he had a good career, couple of playoff wins etc. Do you think you had the same view and stomach for JW? Do you think the fans had the same patience and excuses for him?
November 19th, 2019 at 4:52 am
Very good point Joes!! I’ve been watching Phillip Rivers for the past couple of years and thinking the exact same thing. He does a lot of the same things that I hear people (fans and media) complaining about Jameis doing but you don’t hear anybody talking about him. If you watch his deep passes too he has wide open guys and don’t hit them in stride. Winning changes the perception of a lot of things, if the Bucs had a defense like the Chargers they’d win more games. Also playing in the AFC West for years didn’t hurt Rivers either.
November 19th, 2019 at 5:31 am
Dumb article of the week award. And it’s only Tuesday.
Rivers is a winner. Jameis Winsnot.
November 19th, 2019 at 5:41 am
Nice try Joe. Since 2015, Jameis has thrown 107:76 Touchdowns to interceptions. Rivers has thrown 137:70. Since ’04 he’s 389:192 He’s also 37, and this is the twilight of his career. It’s his worst season yet. When Rivers hit year 5, he was an absolute stud QB 34:11 over 4k yards. Apples to oranges.
November 19th, 2019 at 6:00 am
I always thought the better qb comparison was Jay Cutler, personally.
November 19th, 2019 at 6:05 am
Howard … I like the gulag idea too. For the whole team. Let them out only on Sundays & tell them that if they don’t win then it’s back in the gulag. MOTIVATION, this team needs MOTIVATION.
BTW, Winston is not THE problem, but he is A problem. So is a dinosaur offensive philosophy that sets our QB up for taking a beating & also for turning the ball over. So is our OLine & our RB position groups & receivers not named Evans & Godwin. And yes, so is our inconsistent pass rush. So is our Secondary right now.
But more than any of those, so is our COACHING right now. And more than even that, so is our MANAGEMENT right now. This is a poorly constructed team that’s not being especially well coached right now.
November 19th, 2019 at 6:44 am
BA says actually only one of Rivers last seven INTs were his fault!
November 19th, 2019 at 6:47 am
JOE jaymiss is Philip Rivers … 10 years from now he will have tons of meaningless stats and not 1 signature win to define his career!
November 19th, 2019 at 6:48 am
Great article joe most of the fans won’t admit to the double standard but their are a few on here that I see that agree. It’s ridiculous. The same people that were all saying we are only losing cuz GMC is here are now the ones saying we are only losing cuz of #3. This is a team sport. We saw Brady not throw 1 TD pass to beat the eagles. Other teammates stepped up to win that game. Where are #3 teammates oh there to busy not doing anything defense can’t stop a nose bleed if they tried. O-line seams like a all you can eat buffet an honestly the WRs weren’t getting open even ME13 can’t just keep throwing jump balls. Get open or tell the O.C. to do quick short throws instead of lone developing routes it’s not rocket science this whole team is bad from ownership right down to the waterboy
November 19th, 2019 at 6:54 am
Dom>Licht Says:
November 19th, 2019 at 6:47 am
JOE jaymiss is Philip Rivers … 10 years from now he will have tons of meaningless stats and not 1 signature win to define his career!
THIS!
Maybe he becomes a Jim Plunkett and wins in his 10th year with his 3rd team, however, it is more likely a Jay cutler career awaits…at best!
November 19th, 2019 at 6:56 am
Clueless Joe strikes again assaulting fans common sense and trying to stir the pot with nonsense
Rivers has a track record of success in this league, Jameis doesn’t
Rivers has a track record of winning and leading his team, Jameis doesn’t
November 19th, 2019 at 7:02 am
Montana in his prime would look terrible with this OC and O-line.
Once again talking draft before the holidays, it’s a Bucs life
November 19th, 2019 at 7:03 am
One of them has earned the benefit of doubt, the other not so much.
This might be the saddest attempt at straw grabbing yet. This is obviously written by glue sniffing Joe.
November 19th, 2019 at 7:05 am
3-7 Joe. Only stat that matters.
Wasted article that justifies losing.
November 19th, 2019 at 7:09 am
Hahaha just turned on NFL network. What are they talking about, Rivers turn overs, his struggles and what the Chargers should do at the QB position going forward. Dan Orvlosky just said on national TV they should be thinking about drafting a QB in RD1 of the draft, guess that throws a wrench in your take
November 19th, 2019 at 7:11 am
*correction, that was ESPN not even e NFL network…..
November 19th, 2019 at 7:14 am
Just a couple things…has Rivers ever won anything? No. And neither has Jameis. Why would we want either?
Secondly, has Rivers ever had questionable behavior in the real world? As the face of his franchise? Not that I remember.
Hate to say it Joe, but he isn’t special…and Newsflash… his past behavior certainly isn’t what you desire as the face of the franchise…and a name you want to wear on your back. Maybe that means nothing in the internet world…or on the field…after all, he hasn’t tried to cripple someone on the field as some have done to others as recently as last week. But what are you inferring by the reason for the article? Selective amnesia?
November 19th, 2019 at 7:17 am
Very surprising that there’s only on post mentioning race. Well done guys.
Since when has any Bucs fan given a flying F if other teams bench their QB or not? I’ve never cared. We haven’t sniffed the playoffs in years and the one time we do we got embarrassed in front of the world.
Last division title? Can’t even remember. Though we all know we will finish last again this year. Yet here we are comparing JW to PR? Worthless argument.
November 19th, 2019 at 7:18 am
Joe needs to do his homework
November 19th, 2019 at 7:23 am
Joe – how many wins for Rivers over same period as JayMiss?
I’d be willing to bet it’s Rivers in a landslide.
Peace, out
November 19th, 2019 at 7:25 am
BTW…to be fair…I see Jameis as a young man that is trying to make better decisions than he did in past history, on and off the field. And I wish him well and commend him for that. I just don’t see consistently on the field, the makings of a franchise QB. I hope I’m wrong… but I think at best, he is a role player, and capable of having a couple good games in a row, better than a S. King, and pretty much in the same category as a Trent Dilfer or Jim McMahon.
November 19th, 2019 at 7:25 am
Rivers is 37. Selected to pro bowl 8 times. He’s made 11 post season appearances. He’s ranked #9 all time in number of wins by an NFL QB. Yes he’s seen better days but you’re insulting the man comparing him to JW. JW won’t be in the league when he’s 37. And he will never win a playoff game unless he’s the backup and is forced into action to get one win for the starter to come back.
November 19th, 2019 at 7:28 am
Good one Joe the truth hurts . Rivers has had waaaaay better teams than Jamies. He’s had better running backs and offensive line and waaaaay better defenses than Jamies. But I have a question he’s had a hall of fame running back for the most of his time with the chargers and with better coaching and with good defenses how come he never made it to the super bowl??? I know why because he has always gotten passes for his losing. And even now he has a good defense and a running game and they still can’t win.
November 19th, 2019 at 7:32 am
Jameis is black and race is a factor for many, especially when it comes to quarterbacks. That’s one reason he doesn’t get any margin for error or people want to run him out of town. Best quarterback in franchise history shouldn’t be run off so quickly
November 19th, 2019 at 7:32 am
Most ignorant article on JBF, ever.
November 19th, 2019 at 7:38 am
Joe, take two minutes to search before you make a statement about Rivers. https://www.sbnation.com/2017/6/14/15801810/philip-rivers-los-angeles-chargers-replacement-draft-quarterback
November 19th, 2019 at 7:38 am
See Golic and Wingo twitter feed….”“You’ve got to have a bridge program that’s pretty solid… to that future you claim to want so bad in Los Angeles.” –
@MGolicJR57
For the first time in 16 years, there is a question at quarterback for the Chargers 🤔”
November 19th, 2019 at 7:40 am
Joe.. one other point. If there is any place on the team, excluding coaching, where consistency is critical or most deleterious to a team where it is lacking, it is at the QB position. When the QB is consistent, it puts the burden on every other player on the O line to do their job. If a WR or TE drops the ball, it isn’t because of a poor throw..it is all on the WR. And the QB has every right to expect accountability on every play. Same thing with the O line, RB’s and such. It isn’t that way with an inconsistent QB.
And when the D does come up with a stop… inconsistent play by the QB is a moral and momentum breaker.
You can try to hide any other one players inconsistency… you can even play call differently to try to hide an inconsistent kicker. But an inconsistent QB is almost impossible to overcome…. especially when those inconsistencies end up causing short fields or points for the other team.
November 19th, 2019 at 7:42 am
I stand corrected. There are now two race related posts making excuses for JW. Because remember all you whiteys, I our QB looked like you, you’d be perfectly fine with finishing last in the NFC South and another losing season.
November 19th, 2019 at 7:43 am
Mort…may be for some. But on the other hand, I don’t know any player more respected and liked in this town than D. B.. And Ronde is up there too. So what is the difference? Think man.
November 19th, 2019 at 7:44 am
Clicks baby
November 19th, 2019 at 7:46 am
I think I heard somewhere that this is the bigotry of low expectations.
Meanwhile this guy is expected to get paid 20+ million dollars a year. But you are not, as the customer , allowed to ask for better results. 2019 for you.
November 19th, 2019 at 7:49 am
Moderation for what Joe? You’re getting the clicks you desired with this silly article.
November 19th, 2019 at 7:51 am
This is almost an ant-Jameis article. Rivers game last night shows you why the Chargers are done with Rivers and won’t keep him next year. Of course, the Chargers don’t have a flok of idiot fans that will tell you the loss isn’t on their QB and that Rivers was entertaining. That loss is on the qb and Rivers has been a turnover machine and he won’t be back because of it and he’s never won consistantly because of it
November 19th, 2019 at 7:52 am
We are, as Max always says- low standard Bucs fans. Embrace the losing.
Or make excuses. Whatever whichever helps you get through another losing season.
November 19th, 2019 at 7:53 am
Slugglife, I couldn’t care less if America’s Grop……errrrr, Quarterback was zebra-striped. He sucks in any color.
November 19th, 2019 at 7:54 am
Could you imagine if Rivers played with Godwin, Howard, Evans and Brate? Even Jameis biggest nuthuggers would take an over the hill Rivers over Jameis.
November 19th, 2019 at 7:54 am
We are on the same page here buddy. Dead on, but good luck combing our Bucs brothers.
November 19th, 2019 at 8:00 am
And if I can just point out that were it not for the “alternative selection” for the probowl process, Jameis would never have been a Pro Bowl QB. It took five QB’s to say no for him to be selected. He has never been a first team pro bowl selection or all pro selection. In fact, that might have been one of the worst things to ever happen to him…to make him feel he had arrived and all he had to do is to keep doing.
November 19th, 2019 at 8:04 am
In fact some argue the Cousins might have been the fairer or better Pro Bowl Selection. So maybe that better tells you something.
November 19th, 2019 at 8:04 am
I’m not hung up on INTs anymore. I’m more interested in wins. Jameis can throw 20 INTs a game if he makes enough plays to win. Yeah, the defense sucks so it’s hard to tell what we have. Dude scores a lot of points in garbage time. 5 yrs of losing. Probability of additional yrs of losing if we re sign him.
November 19th, 2019 at 8:11 am
Typical stupd you know who?
Keep selling the same old dog turd
You look terrible as always
November 19th, 2019 at 8:18 am
AND he has won ZERO SUPER BOWLS and is about to finish a career accomplishment of spinning wheels in circles……, NO GRACIAS AMIGO
November 19th, 2019 at 8:22 am
Jameis is mobile !!!! LOL!!! LOL !!! LOL!!!
November 19th, 2019 at 8:23 am
Not even going to read this click-bait, BS article.
November 19th, 2019 at 8:29 am
Slugglife Turd’s come in all colors. Lol
November 19th, 2019 at 8:34 am
#TankTwoSeasonsForTrevorLawrence
Also, bring back the 1997 uniforms.
They might even start selling tickets again. We are all tired of the Jameis years. Get a rookie (cheap) QB and continue to build a D.
November 19th, 2019 at 8:45 am
Old Sombrero Says:
November 19th, 2019 at 7:25 am
Rivers is 37. Selected to pro bowl 8 times. He’s made 11 post season appearances. He’s ranked #9 all time in number of wins by an NFL QB. Yes he’s seen better days but you’re insulting the man comparing him to JW. JW won’t be in the league when he’s 37.
BINGO!!!!!
GO BUCS!!!!
November 19th, 2019 at 8:51 am
More ridiculous by the day
Yeah, double standard.
Unless you count wins, playoff appearances, QB rating
Rivers career Record is 125- 88
That would be a WINNING record.
He is 5-6 in his 11 PLAYOFF GAMES
Winston is 25-40
Thats a LOSING record
And not a sniff of the playoffs
Rivers is Better than Winston in Most categories.
But that doesnt matter.
Only one thing matters
WINNING!!!
Jameis has one advantage over Rivers.
The race card.
And sadly, now thats been played.
November 19th, 2019 at 9:05 am
I think Jameis is serviceable but the question isn’t is Jameis good enough to be the Bucs qb, the question is is he worth 30 million a year. The answer is no, especially when there are so many holes on this team that need to be filled.
November 19th, 2019 at 9:08 am
Joe must NOT pay for season tkts !! You would think he would want a more accurate qb then one that throws more picks the anyone while having good receivers
November 19th, 2019 at 9:19 am
@Capt. Tim Says:
November 19th, 2019 at 8:51 am
More ridiculous by the day
Winston is 25-40
Thats a LOSING record
And not a sniff of the playoffs”
Capt you are giving Jameis too much credit. He is 24-40!
November 19th, 2019 at 9:23 am
Jameis is not THE reason we, but he is A reason we suck.
November 19th, 2019 at 9:42 am
Pete I
Thanks for the correction. I musta been feeling sorry for him! Lol
November 19th, 2019 at 9:46 am
Joes, how about some commentary on the implications of the in-game anecdote offered by the FOX crew of Sean Peyton’s assessment that Jameis turns the ball over at an ‘exceptional rate’??? I seem to recall it being repeated several times during the broadcast. Clearly, the Saints defensive scheme was predicated on heavy pressure and tight coverage to fluster Jameis b/c the book is out–our WRs can’t beat press coverage, Jameis can/will hold the ball a beat too long, our OTs are mediocre (at best) + no running game = turnovers galore.
November 19th, 2019 at 10:05 am
I wonder if the Chargers coach feels the need to come out and tell everyone half of River’s picks are not his fault.
November 19th, 2019 at 10:32 am
Saying Winston is the best QB the Bucs have ever had isn’t saying much considering how awful this team has been since first starting play. A low bar that nobody can slide under but the Bucs.
November 19th, 2019 at 10:41 am
💯 Joe
Yet most fans around here would want us to sign Rivers.
November 19th, 2019 at 10:44 am
For the same $$$, I’d take Rivers for a few years. I doubt he has the same dumb-ass gene that Winston has.
Rivers has a career rating of 99, substantially higher than Winston.
In the last five seasons, he has 26 fewer turnovers than Winston.
And Rivers wins more.
My patience with Winston finally having the light bulb turned on to become a low-risk/high-reward NFL QB has been exhausted.
I am tired of Jameis Winston.
Yeah, he brings teams back to make games competitive, but problem is he is as much responsible for the Bucs falling behind as the defense is.
Bottom line: I do not believe Jameis Winston will ever become a winning NFL quarterback. And if he’s not, what’s the point in continuing on with him?
I’m 100% OK with bringing in a low-risk QB for a couple of years, spending $$$ on other areas, and drafting a youngster for development.
Once agaon: I am tired of Jameis Winston. Exhausted.
November 19th, 2019 at 10:48 am
I see a lot of idiots claiming this is the race card being played and i dont see anywhere in the article where it mentions skin tone. Maybe you clowns are looking for something that isnt there.
November 19th, 2019 at 11:09 am
JBF Archives
https://www.joebucsfan.com/2015/04/rivers-talk-may-not-be-that-silly/
November 19th, 2019 at 11:11 am
I ant believe the fat j.o.e. has compared Winston to Rivers honestly.
November 19th, 2019 at 11:13 am
LMAO, Joe are you trolling this morning, you have the Winston haters triggered big time
November 19th, 2019 at 11:16 am
Phillip Rivers has had some pretty good offensive players around him in his career. Gee do you think these guys contributed to Rivers success?
Ladainian Tomlinson
Antonio Gates
Melvin Gordon
Vincent Jackson
Keenan Allen
I don’t see a Tomlinson or Gates or even a Gordon equivalent on the Bucs.
November 19th, 2019 at 11:42 am
Philip and Jameis have the same exact problem lol but football fans are blind af! how can he get it going if hes getting smacked around every other play? his line is literally a revolving door.. at least the chargers have tried to help their qb but their picks keep getting hurt on the other hand the bucs see the problems and refuse to fix them lol “hey Donovan we know you get beat just about every play but what do you think about a new contract”? rewarding mediocre play and that’s exactly wth you got in return lol
November 19th, 2019 at 12:24 pm
They are not even close.
Absolutely crazy to compare the two.
Rivers averages 30 tds a year, Jamier can’t touch 20.
QB rating almost 10 points higher per season for Rivers.
Winston had one year that was kind of on Rivers level and he went to the pro bowl but man…
Joe you need to get your head on straight and calm the F down bro you’re just talking stupid.
November 19th, 2019 at 12:27 pm
Dapostman Says:
November 19th, 2019 at 11:16 am
Phillip Rivers has had some pretty good offensive players around him in his career. Gee do you think these guys contributed to Rivers success?
Ladainian Tomlinson
Antonio Gates
Melvin Gordon
Vincent Jackson
Keenan Allen
I don’t see a Tomlinson or Gates or even a Gordon equivalent on the Bucs.
^^^OMG really really!? This is just sooooo retarded.
November 19th, 2019 at 12:32 pm
@luvmybucs… The reported offer was Rivers, Gordon and thier 1st rounder for the Jameis pick (which they wanted Mariota). I think that would have worked out good for use. Would have given us 3 years to find a long term qb
November 19th, 2019 at 12:43 pm
Jameis sucks and joe is going to bash an old QB past his prime to compare. Don’t want either at this point. Nor Andy Dalton
Draft a QB, but keep spinning the records. It’s hilarious!
November 19th, 2019 at 1:12 pm
Reality: Comparing Jameis Winston & Phillip Rivers is meaningless. The ONLY QB we need to compare Jameis to is the QB we NEED to run this TEAM. IOW, what characteristics are we shooting for in a Bucs’ QB. And does Jameis possess those characteristics.
ONE of those characteristics (again, reality) is COST. How much can this Bucs’ team AFFORD to pay for its’ QB and STILL pay for quality players in other position groups to help us become a competitive TEAM? When Jameis received a big raise to $21 mil this year, that had a huge impact on the quality of players we could surround him with (he received about $8 mil in 2018, so that was a $13 mil increase). Wave bye-bye to Humphries because that was the cost of paying Jameis an additional $13 mil. It was also the cost of NOT being able to sign a quality veteran CB AND a quality RB. Or the cost of NOT signing a quality veteran OLineman AND a quality CB or RB.
What do you think the impact of paying Jameis an ADDITIONAL $5-$10 mil in 2020 would be on the OTHER position groups? No re-signing Barrett or JPP probably (seriously doubt we have the money to re-sign more than 1 of them anyways, even without re-signing Jameis because of how much money we have committed to this offense). Folks still don’t understand what an absolute mess Jason Licht has made of this team, both in terms of salary Cap mismanagement AND team structure.
Take a close look though at winning teams like the Patriots & Saints and you’ll quickly notice what a huge gulf there is between us & them. That gulf STARTS with having a quality QB for a reasonable price (Brees is making $22.7 mil this year & Brady is making $21.5 mil. Two HOF QBs who are both quintessential LEADERS essentially making the same as Jameis. THAT’S what some would call ‘a self-inflicted wound’ on our part.
November 19th, 2019 at 1:19 pm
Boo hoo.
Rivers isn’t a dumbass. Jameis’ decision making indicates he is.
November 19th, 2019 at 1:26 pm
Having your 1st round pick TE drop a pass that turns into an INT make you a dumbass? Or your all pro WR thinks the play was dead so he stops his route make you a dumbass?
Does he make some bad throws yes. But he’s only 25 and he’s been on horrid teams each year but each year they have one of the highest ranked offenses.
Joe is right on
November 19th, 2019 at 2:11 pm
I agree that the Bucs need to draft a QB at this point and (depending on the QB) pickup a rental for ~1 year so the rookie can sit and learn; see NYG as example. I think we have seen enough of Winston. He is a quality NFL BACKUP but that is it.
OH BTW- If Bruce Arians doesnt want to coach a rookie QB, then dont let the door hit you in the a$$ old man. I have not seen much the past 4 weeks that makes me say oh…Arians the irreplaceable. Rather, Ive seen rookie coaching mistakes game after game. How many PI red flags ya gonna lose before you stop? Homer Simpson of coaching.
BTW who was the GENIUS that didnt want Dean to start last week? Bowles?
Putting Edwards in there was a huge mistake. He looked lost 75% of the time. I dont care if Dean is a malcontent put him in the lineup. He has the size at least to play at NFL level and you have ATL / Jones this week.
November 19th, 2019 at 4:59 pm
According to Diggler, Rivers has accomplished everything on his own. 1 on 11. This Diggler dude is clueless. Doesn’t understand that good players make QB’s better. You know what Diggler so do good offensive coaches who know how to use good players. Koetter and Leftwich? Not so much.
November 19th, 2019 at 5:12 pm
draft a kid or take river on the bench
November 20th, 2019 at 6:58 am
There’s 2 BIG differences between Rivers and Winston.
Rivers has taken his team to the playoffs. Winston hasn’t even sniffed it.
Rivers is at the tail end of his career. Winston seems to be stuck in year 1 with the same old tape stuck in a loop.
But, at this point, would I welcome Rivers to Tampa? Hell no, he’s overrated.