Ndamukong Suh Addresses The Stat Sheets
October 27th, 2019
Flimsy stats
If Gerald McCoy was still with Tampa Bay and had half a sack, six solo tackles and just one quarterback hit through seven games, fans would be screaming their heads off that he’s a loser, overpaid and soft as Charmin.
Well, those are Ndamukong Suh’s stats through seven games.
Joe talked to Suh in the unhappy locker room after today’s loss.
Joe wanted Suh’s take on where his game is in relation to the Suh of year’s past. Joe asked Suh specifically to explain “what version” of Suh that Bucs fans getting in 2019.
Joe appreciated that Suh addressed his production — or lack thereof.
“Well, first, I think people got to make their own opinion, but personally, when I look at my play and look at my effects on the game, it’s not going to always show up in the stat sheets,” Suh said. “I think that’s been proven over the years. Obviously, an impact play is going to affect the quarterback and affect the run game, but one of the biggest things that I pride myself on is always being consistent week in and week out and being available, on top of making plays. You’re not always going to see it in the stat sheet, but you are going to see it in the stat sheet as well. I don’t say, ‘You’re not going to see it in the stat sheet’ as a cop out because I’m going to make plays. There’s no question about that. Simple as that.”
Suh is a good player, just like Joe believed McCoy was a good player.
But darn it, the Bucs need more out of Suh. He’s on pace for the worst stats of his career across the board.
As much as Joe has enjoyed watching Suh, he turns 33 in January and the smart play is to look to trade him immediately. If his film his good, he should bring back something from a team in the hunt.
With the season lost, Joe’s not sure the point of keeping Suh around. The Bucs have other bodies to mix it up inside.
October 27th, 2019 at 7:18 pm
Is MO has been coasting when then team has little else to play for… Can we count on him coasting from this point on?
October 27th, 2019 at 7:18 pm
They have different styles
GMC pass rushing Dt Suh is a run stomping Dt. Elevates the next man over ask Vea or Donald. GMC never did that or close a game like Suh did
October 27th, 2019 at 7:21 pm
Neither one should’ve been drafted as high as they were. #Busts
October 27th, 2019 at 7:22 pm
#SelltheTeam
#Blowitup2Smithereens
#StartOver
October 27th, 2019 at 7:22 pm
#FireSellNow
#Tank4Tua
October 27th, 2019 at 7:23 pm
VV too…he is a real treat to watch….I saw VV come into the frame late on a play way down field….like I said he is fun to watch…Suh is fine for another year if it is do able…
I hope #98 gets some more PT as the season goes…kid is a rookie with a MOTOR !
October 27th, 2019 at 7:24 pm
Suh has been a great addition to the interior line, I constantly see Suh pushing the pocket that helps either stop a running play or push the QB into another Buc. I see #93 far more often in the picture at the end of a play this year compared to #93 all previous years.
I think Suh and Vea perfectly compliment each other in this defense and I could give a rats A** about his stats.
October 27th, 2019 at 7:24 pm
He’s still better than Gummie93
October 27th, 2019 at 7:29 pm
Bucs should trade suh to a contender & try an get a 2 for him; this season done
October 27th, 2019 at 7:30 pm
McCoy had 16 solo tackles last season Suh had 32
October 27th, 2019 at 7:34 pm
With Mcsofty, we dont have the number 1 defense against the run….we also dont have that w/o Suh!
Suh over Mcsofty all day every dmn day!
October 27th, 2019 at 7:35 pm
So we are talking stats again huh? Here’s a good stat- coming into the game we had the #1 rush defense against some of the elite NFL backs.
We’re still 2-5. Suh isn’t the problem. Write another article. And have a highlight reel of VH3 falling down anytime somebody bigger than hump comes his way.
Then we can address Suh stats.
October 27th, 2019 at 7:37 pm
VH3 could fill up an entire “c’mon man” segment.
Real ease his ass along with Perriman tomorrow. Get them an Uber xl.
October 27th, 2019 at 7:37 pm
At this rate, JoeBucFan may want to sponsor a suicide hot line for the fan base.
October 27th, 2019 at 7:39 pm
We could call the Dolman group but VH3 has 10-12 slip and fall cases in the queue.
October 27th, 2019 at 7:39 pm
Last I heard the losing was all McCoy’s fault. Then it was coaching. All are gone. 2-5 season over again. Now what is the excuse?
October 27th, 2019 at 7:40 pm
Who cares we suck.
October 27th, 2019 at 7:40 pm
Yeah but Suh has “more dawg in him”, whatever the hell that means.
October 27th, 2019 at 7:41 pm
Well Suh doesnt play against the Bucs so that has to equal a couple of sacks and tackles from his stats
October 27th, 2019 at 7:42 pm
I have GOOD NEWS! No backup QB next week. Bucs have lost against Daniel Jones, Teddy Bridgewater, Kyle Allen and Ryan Tannehill.
We won vs Cam Newton and Jared Cook. Russell Wilson is next! So you’re telling me we have chance????
October 27th, 2019 at 7:48 pm
wow i’m just speechless…
that about sums it up…
i said this season would be a rollercoaster ride way back when…
who would’ve though we were on a broken rollercoaster in need of service…
#AlotOfOurPlayersAreJustCampMeat
October 27th, 2019 at 7:51 pm
Guys………..Just face it we are never going anywhere with Jameis as our QB.
I have NEVER seen so many boneheaded throws sprinkled with a few brilliant ones trying to make you forget the rest.
STAUNCH JW3 supporter here that has finally had enough. Time to cut bait.
October 27th, 2019 at 7:53 pm
Joe do you have any rumblings possible things that may happen in the organization?
at all?
This just seems like insanity at this point to keep kicking the can down the road.
October 27th, 2019 at 7:58 pm
I, too, am done with Jameis…….it will be interesting to see how long BA sticks with him……toward the end of the season Griffin needs some snaps…
As far as Suh…..does anyone think our record would be any better with GMC?
Devin White made a game-winning tackle and caused a fumble….we were robbed on the call….too bad.
October 27th, 2019 at 8:00 pm
I’ll just go ahead and flat out say it..What the hell right? We ain’t hittin nowhere close to any superbowl but thru our living room viewing some other team. Here I go….What did we gain by signing SUH? Huh? he will be gone next year to the highest NFl bidder. The guy is smart filling his retirement coffers. We should have kept GMC. Suh is surely..not that much better…So says the stats. That’s right..I SAID IT!!
October 27th, 2019 at 8:04 pm
i think jameis is actually done with jameis at this point (in tampa)…
so no worries…he will want out and to get a fresh start as well…
don’t feel bad for him…he made 20 mil this year, he’s set for life already…and probably made like double that over his 5 year career with endorsements, etc…
he’s probably soured out on tampa already too..you think it’s just the fans who have soured on him???…it works both ways…
he has nothing to worry about…he also has at least another 50 mil in nfl earnings coming his way…at least
October 27th, 2019 at 8:05 pm
Joe you are losing it. No comparison with McCoy. Does it look like the same DL play to you?
October 27th, 2019 at 8:06 pm
the middle of our line is like a steel curtain…kong suh is a beast in there…wake up!
we used to get gashed to sheet with gmc manning the middle
October 27th, 2019 at 8:09 pm
by the way carl nassib is king of letting tackles slip thru his hands…for every one made, 2 are missed…just sayin…
still love the dude…hard working…good player on the line…excellent work ethic…smart too…
i wish i could nickname him:
Carl “the bodysnatcher” Nassib…(once he grabs you, you’re done)
such is not the case tho
October 27th, 2019 at 8:09 pm
Suh isn’t even a problem.
He gets after it and has been a good influence on Vea.
Where’s the article on the worst GM in all of pro sports?
Scared journalists in this town.
October 27th, 2019 at 8:13 pm
and McCoy has two tackles in a 51–13 prison ra***g loss to the 49ers..
13
October 27th, 2019 at 8:27 pm
Suh is much better against the run. Licht and Arians got it right when they let McCoy go.
October 27th, 2019 at 8:40 pm
I don’t know why we are even talking about Suh. The defense did there job today for the most part. What do you expect when you keep turning the ball over and the defense has to be on the field most of the game in bad position. How about you do an article on Winston and how he continues to wet the bed yet the damn coach continues to blame everyone else. If I was Mike Evans I would be pissed off right now. Arians blames the WR for not running the routes right yet Mike Evans went off for 200 yards. Mike Evans saved Winston again today because it would be a hell of a lot worse if it was not for Evans production on the field. I mean he made Manziel look like a first round pick and he made Winston look decent for certain parts of the game. How many times did you see CB almost intercept even more passes. It is crazy to me that people are still defending Winston is everyone watching the same games…
October 27th, 2019 at 8:44 pm
Can we do a poll, what would the Bucs record be if we had a better QB?
October 27th, 2019 at 8:56 pm
So our Head Coach says the INTs were not the QBs fault…and our expert panel of fans say he’s lying…it is the QBs fault.
Got it!
October 27th, 2019 at 9:00 pm
BucFan81 so those perfect throws that lead to two TDs and several others were bailing the QB out right? How about the perfect throw Evans dropped for a TD? Cause guess what just with that catch we would have been tied and a FG wins the game at the end. Jameis was not good today he was AWESOME and kept us in the game with zero running game and average oline play yet you people act like he sucked today. My goodness you are clueless.
October 27th, 2019 at 9:14 pm
JW and OJ for NE’s first and second next year!!!
We’re in rebuild mode and need RIGHT NOW to use the value thats there before it gets worse! They’ll be in the playoffs again so it’ll be bottom of the rounds….but i’d do it and see if they would bite….i think Bill would say DEAL!
October 27th, 2019 at 9:35 pm
Madmax of course he would cause he’s not an idiot, like all the morons on this site.
October 27th, 2019 at 9:45 pm
This article is about SUH…LOL…
not about the CB that had 2 crucial PIs and gave up a td….
Oh wait….that wasn’t VHG….
GO BUCS
October 27th, 2019 at 9:49 pm
Slugg
VHG banged your sister huh….or your mom….
Maybe both at the same time the way you talk….lol….
talk about JW and his TOs….
GO BUCS
October 27th, 2019 at 9:51 pm
BA flat out said none of those INT were on JayMiss, so I guess it’s true ….
But, he also told the Glazers he was able to fix JayMiss with no problem….
Based upon what we’ve seen through 7 games it’s pretty obvious that BA is as full of $hit as a Christmas goose.
The only option seems to be to burn this MRSA infested franchise to the ground, fire everyone ( including any tradeable players) and start over.
I’m not aware of the Glazers being of the mind to sell, but that would be a bonus.
October 27th, 2019 at 9:52 pm
Slugg
JW can start a charity with all the gifts he gives out weekly….
Your boy wet the bed again….
GO BUCS
October 27th, 2019 at 9:57 pm
Wow, some of you supposed ‘Bucs fans’ make Jason Lichtsout look good. ‘The season’s over? ‘ Last I saw we still have 9 games to go. ‘FireSellNow’? Ya, that’ll solve everything, won’t it.
The reality IMO is that we literally have a handful of players on offense, as well as a couple on defense who are dragging down all the rest with their inconsistent play. We also have an extremely young Secondary with virtually no field leadership. And oh ya, we have an offensive coordinator who I wouldn’t let coach a high school team. Unfortunately I’m also beginning to think that we’ve got a head coach who’s out of touch with reality, and who for some unknown reason allows the same mistakes to keep recurring. ACCOUNTABILITY is a wonderful word, but it’s only a word UNLESS you actually hold folks ACCOUNTABLE. That’s not happening.
Today’s was a game that the Bucs SHOULD HAVE WON, just like the Giants’ game was one that we SHOULD HAVE WON. Those two losses, as a minimum, are on coaching. And coach, we’re now at SEVENTEEN TURNOVERS in just 7 games. That’s 2.5 TOs per game average. WE LEAD THE LEAGUE in that category. Teams don’t go very far by being the NFL leader in turnovers. STOP MAKING EXCUSES … take the necessary action as our HEAD COACH to FIX IT.
October 27th, 2019 at 10:04 pm
And BucFan81, I don’t know why we’re even talking about Suh either. He’s doing his job and doing it very, very well. Or maybe y’all think that he’s had no hand in taking our defense from being #24 in rushing defense last year to being #1 this year. Newsflash: Ndamukong Suh is THE primary reason for our improvement. And do any of you REALLY think that Barrett would now have 10 sacks if it wasn’t for Suh & Vea in the middle of our DLine? Ya right.
October 27th, 2019 at 10:06 pm
To be fair Defense Rules he can’t cut Perriman, Jensen, Godwin, Evans, Davis, White and D. Smith. And that’s the problem this week it was those guys who made mistakes. Last game it was Jameis, Evans, Wells, Hargraves and several others. The week before it was the entire secondary. And so on and so on …. My point is he can’t cut the entire team…
October 27th, 2019 at 10:13 pm
At least Suh can maintain gap integrity in run defense.
October 27th, 2019 at 10:25 pm
I think Suh is one of the last things this team has to worry about.
In some type of order I would say the concerns are:
GM (drafting talent)
Secondary
Offensive line
QB
Running back
October 27th, 2019 at 10:26 pm
What exactly does Tom Moore get paid for?
October 27th, 2019 at 11:00 pm
McCoy isn’t even a full time starter anymore. What the heck are we comparing exactly?
Suh is a major part of why we have the #1 rushing defense along with Livin La Vita Loca.
October 27th, 2019 at 11:14 pm
McCoy was soft plain and simple with two torn biceps the guy couldn’t stop the run up the middle. The offense has turned the ball over 8 times inside their own 36 yard line in the last two gaskets. I’m sorry but no defense can overcome that especially not one with mostly 1st or 2nd year starters. Defensive tackles in this defense take on blockers so linebackers can thrive. Suh is a big plus over soft as Charmin McCoy Joe get over the washer up has been. He knocked Saffold out of the game when was the last time McCoy did that to ANYONE??????
October 27th, 2019 at 11:22 pm
A good defense holds their opponent to FG and not TD. Did anyone see the CB screaming for a timeout when Boyles called the wrong look on the first Titan TD?
October 28th, 2019 at 12:29 am
Today’s was a game that the Bucs SHOULD HAVE WON, just like the Giants’ game was one that we SHOULD HAVE WON. Those two losses, as a minimum, are on coaching. And coach, we’re now at SEVENTEEN TURNOVERS in just 7 games. That’s 2.5 TOs per game average. WE LEAD THE LEAGUE in that category. Teams don’t go very far by being the NFL leader in turnovers. STOP MAKING EXCUSES … take the necessary action as our HEAD COACH to FIX IT.
FLIPPIN’ PREACH DR
October 28th, 2019 at 12:35 am
Look I am 7 and 0, well now 8 and 0 in my local money league. The guy I am playing against had Lamar Jackson and Mahomes from the beginning of the yr. He made a sweet trade to give Jackson away the day before Mahomes got hurt.
He picked up Tanehill yesterday just to troll me and Tanahill got 28 pts.
Point is … Pick up any QB playing the Bucs if you need one.
Not all on the D today though by any means. All and All they played with Heart.
Hard to give the opposing team a 14 point lead by to offensive turnovers in the first half.
October 28th, 2019 at 4:27 am
Ndog … “To be fair Defense Rules he can’t cut Perriman, Jensen, Godwin, Evans, Davis, White and D. Smith. And that’s the problem this week it was those guys who made mistakes.”
Fair point Ndog, and you’re right (well, except for Perriman; we COULD, and SHOULD, cut him, it’s just that he’d still cost us $4 mil). But it wasn’t just those guys who made costly mistakes. For instance, you didn’t include Jameis in that list (sorry, but he didn’t exactly play a flawless game yesterday … he was frazzled far too often). You didn’t include the other members of our OLine (that entire position group should be ashamed of themselves for that performance). You didn’t include Barber or Ogunbowale (both are very frustrating to watch, but a large part of that is the play-calls I’m sure). The list goes on … they all make costly mistakes. Actually, sometimes it seems like they take turns making mistakes so no one gets ‘burned out’.
Still, when your top receiver catches 11-of-12 balls for 198 receiving yards & catches 2 TDs you have to be doing something right. When your QB carries the ball 8 times for 53 yards off of broken plays, gets sacked 3 times, fumbles twice & is picked twice (very easily could’ve been more BTW), then you’re doing something wrong. Some of it is poor execution no question, but a very large part of it is coaching IMO … play design & play selection in various situations.
October 28th, 2019 at 6:24 am
McCoy may be playing good this year, but his years in Tampa were mediocre at best so good riddance. And I don’t care if he went to a few pro bowls he was the best of the worst
October 28th, 2019 at 8:02 am
I believe Suh is making Vea better. I still would see if I could move him today or tomorrow.
October 28th, 2019 at 11:43 am
Fair enough…..but the run defense is much improved this year and a lot of that is because of Suh…..problem still remains that our secondary is a disaster and our LB can’t cover worth a darn
October 28th, 2019 at 12:27 pm
Suh definitely isn’t the problem. If the Bucs could string together a couple wins and the fight is still there for suh, the Bucs could have one of the best front seven in football. Jameis had a fire to come in yesterday and turn the narrative around. The line did help excluding Jensen in the passing game but as the commentators were saying during the game in the rush game they were horrible. there was barely any push the whole game. It was like they were in pass pro on obvious rush plays. They need to incorporate more delays and play action since it isn’t working. I know there should be an end to the excuses at some point but it does seem like the team is truly f****** him over. I see a scenario where he could test free agency next year, go to the Vikings and immediately win a Super Bowl. At that point regardless of what happens next year the franchise would hit a new low. There are too many holes in vital positions on this team to succeed. Secondary too inexperienced. OLine is overpaid trash. Organization is just trash in philosophy. It would take a whole draft focused on OLine for things to turn around. If there are questions regarding picking up all OLine growing at the same time then draft picks should be used as capital to acquire experienced talent to balance it out. Fixing the OLine would fix the team. The following draft should be used to bolster skill positions (rb and qb) and defensive front seven and the Bucs would turn into competitors again.
October 30th, 2019 at 8:08 am
Perhaps Suh should start wearing kimonos.