“Impossible”
October 19th, 2019
Negative.
So, can the Bucs overcome negative plays on offense?
More important, can America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston?
It seems nearly 16 percent of the time, Jameis makes a negative play per Sheil Kapadia of The Athletic. How bad is that?
What we’ve learned: It might be impossible to fix Jameis Winston. He’s produced a negative play (sack, fumble or interception) on 15.69% of his passing plays — the highest rate for any non-Jets, non-Dolphins quarterback.
Are sacks totally on Jameis? Or any quarterback?
So can this be overcome? Well, the Bucs are leading the NFC in points scored, so in that respect, yes. And Jameis is No. 5 in the NFL in passing yards. Is that enough? Joe isn’t sure.
At the end of the day, Joe doesn’t know of too many quarterbacks that can overcome the trash the Bucs have for a secondary. When your defense coughs up 300+ yards a game through the air, that is nearly an impossible task.
Just what rookie quarterback or free agent quarterback next season will overcome that? Joe would suggest none.
Are Jameis’ interceptions a problem? Of course! Is it the problem? No.
The problem is that damned secondary.
The trade deadline is Oct. 29, a week from Tuesday.
Is it fair for Joe to suggest inactivity by the Bucs in the next 10 days is not the best way to repair the secondary?
October 19th, 2019 at 8:09 am
This whole points scored argument is the best. What was it last year? Hey, the Bucs are leading the league in passing yards! Wins and losses is what matters.
October 19th, 2019 at 8:12 am
Jameis is a major problem.
The secondary sucks, but our fifth year QB just isn’t all that.
Time to draft a rookie, pay them like a rookie, and hope we are on a better place after five years. I like our chances.
October 19th, 2019 at 8:15 am
Fans understand the secondary woes, we will not excuse Jameis’ poor play bc of the secondary.
The QB needs to be better. Too many sacks, picks, fumbles, turnovers.
October 19th, 2019 at 8:20 am
Jameis has talent. Russell Wilson has talent.
Seahawks D is nothing special.
You know what the difference is?
Wilson doesn’t turn the F’ing ball over!
And that’s why they are 5-1.
Wake up, Joe.
October 19th, 2019 at 8:28 am
Reasonable fans recognize that Jameis can’t do it all, especially play corner. However, he needs to do his part and protect the football. You don’t have to be a genius to see what’s wrong with this team.
We’re the worst in pass defense and 3rd in turnovers. That is a recipe for losing.
October 19th, 2019 at 8:29 am
Dare Ogunbowale led the backfield with 46 snaps last game. Our third best running back was on the filed TWICE as much as our two best. Our second best running back is on the filed more than our best running back. Among the other things on the ever growing list of incompetent bullcrap led by offensive coordinator (crapshoot first time play caller who needs to be demoted). James’s will never get better in this situation. Said before the season started that if Arians called the plays, Jameis would have a career year and if Leftwich called the plays he would possibly have his worst.
If Arians calls the plays and the defense starts playing better and Jameis still fails, I will have zero excuses….NONE!!!!At that point I will see that coaching cannot help him. But this coaching on offense is the worst I’ve seen. Nothing creative, and its soo slooooooow!!! Short passes, screens, dumps. You know….the plays DAVID JOHNSON would run all the time??!!!!!!!! Rojo has shown that when he gets the opportunity to make big plays he does, yet he is getting the FEWEST OPPORTUNITIES???!!!!!
LEFTWICH needs to be stripped of his headset, or at least have the mic ripped off of it. JUST BECUASE YOU HAVE THE SAME PLAYBOOK DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE SAME MINDSET!!!!! This is so clear and easy to see but the easy answer is BLAME JAMEIS BLAME JAMEIS RAH RAH RAH!!!!!!! He is being put in a position to fail by someone who is not qualified to hold his position.
October 19th, 2019 at 8:37 am
You never disappoint Joe … “At the end of the day, Joe doesn’t know of too many quarterbacks that can overcome the trash the Bucs have for a secondary.”
Our Secondary play has ZERO to do with Jameis getting sacked 25 times in 6 games (a 10% sack rate?). It has ZERO to do with the number of QB Hits he’s been absorbing because this awful OLine can’t protect him or with Jameis’ fumbles. It has ZERO to do with our OC calling too many long-developing pass plays. It has ZERO to do with Jameis NOT seeing the field as well as he should (by this FIFTH year) & throwing way too many INTs (10 already). Evaluate Jameis on HIS PERFORMANCE for a change & stop with the EXCUSES.
But hey Joe, just like a certain politician we all know too well, IF you say something over & over & over often enough, with conviction, some (apparently many) will bite on it. I’ll give you credit, you’re a lot more CONSISTENT and PERSISTENT than Jameis has been.
October 19th, 2019 at 8:42 am
He doesn’t have the best o-line, RB, OC or defense…but it doesn’t matter. His play is simply too inconsistent to get a second contract. He would be better with all those things, but he would still throw too many interceptions, fumble too much and not go through progressions fast enough. If you really watch the tape there are some interceptions where he is hit in the pocket but most look like bonehead mistakes (over throws, behind throws, throwing into double and triple coverage or just throwing to someone in the wrong color jersey). Quarterbacks get sacked in this game. There’s no avoiding it. Jameis fumbles the ball way too much when he is sacked. He’s a substandard performer regardless of his talent. He, like all other substandard performers, has to be replaced.
October 19th, 2019 at 8:45 am
Averaging two touchdowns a game is not a high scoring offense. IF defense hadn’t hadn’t set up two easy touchdowns in LA ,the average very likely would have been under two. IMO, If Jameis doesn’t Turn the ball over so much ,the Damn secondary would not be on the field so much. Right now one of our main problems is the person behind center that sets everything in motion. He has been wildly inconsistent. Not discounting problems with defense and O line but Jameis
is not playing at a high level.
October 19th, 2019 at 8:46 am
BucEm-I don’t 100% disagree, but I also think that there are some plays being missed on the field by the QB. He locks in too often on a WR and doesn’t check down or out of plays.
I have been very vocal regarding play selection. Too often they put Jameis in position to fail. 35 attempts or less, that’s the recipe for success.
October 19th, 2019 at 9:01 am
Justin Herbert, Jacob Eason, Joe Burrow, Jake Fromm. The only way you can change my mind is if Jamies has zero turnovers the rest of the season and takes us to the playoffs.
@Bob nailed it, if he doesn’t turn the ball over, the secondary is on the field less. Also, when you turn the ball over, it takes the possibility of scoring more points out. Not sure if you were tracking that brain buster.
October 19th, 2019 at 9:03 am
Yes let’s get a new QB, because the current one is the main cog in the only portion of the team that is actually working, that way we can be horrible at every aspect of the game. YES LETS DO IT.
People THINK about it for one flipping second. Yes the QB has some TOs but how can he not? Let’s list the things we ALL agree are problems on this team.
1. Oline pressure
2. Lack of a run game
3. Lack of run after the catch by anyone other than Godwin
4. Complete lack of secondary
5. No passrush, especially once they started doubling Shaq
6. Horrible punt return game
7. Horrible kick return game
8. Starting TE 3rd best weapon (or 2nd before the year started) is playing horrible football
Now factor all of that in, consider it is a new offense, and realize that we are scoring more points than anytime with Koetter. Also consider if our defense was even league average in points we would be 4-2 and even if they are what they are today if our kicker made a chippy we would still be 3-3. Guys I know you hate Jameis with a passion not seen many times before, but if you think is even in the top 10 issues on this team I got a boat to sell you in the middle of the desert.
Lastly please oh please point out the QB in the history of the game that would succeed while getting hit every play, seeing pressure within 2 seconds on the majority of plays, has no run game to balance out the defenses aggressive playcalling and yet still are expected to score 30+ every game to win. Guys this is a formula that will not work, has not work and will continue to not work and that’s with Tom Brady, Patrick Machines, Peyton Manning, Warren Moon, etc….
You are letting the media distract you with the shinny object, watch the games understand WHY things happen and then you will see that we don’t need a new QB we need better PEOPLE as that is our problem we have way too many unreliable PEOPLE. In sports effort and passion matters in this sport more than most and ask yourself this, who do you see on this team that plays EVERY SNAP with the effort it takes because it matters to them regardless of results?
Does Mike Evans give max effort, does Donovan Smith give max effort, does OJ Howard give max effort, does Dare On…… give max effort when he lets guys run him over every week, is there more that he can do, does Hargraves give max effort, does Mike Edwards give max effort by letting guys waltz into the end two weeks ago?
Stop looking at the guys that bust it, regardless of results for now, and focus your attention on the lack of effort and will to win, because if you don’t have guys that give a crap on a football team then regardless of talent you will not win. AND WE HAVE WAAAAAY TO MAN GUYS ON THIS TEAM THAT ARE JUST ALONG FOR THE RIDE.
October 19th, 2019 at 9:05 am
Yes let’s get a new QB, because the current one is the main cog in the only portion of the team that is actually working, that way we can be horrible at every aspect of the game. YES LETS DO IT.
People THINK about it for one flipping second. Yes the QB has some TOs but how can he not? Let’s list the things we ALL agree are problems on this team.
1. Oline pressure
2. Lack of a run game
3. Lack of run after the catch by anyone other than Godwin
4. Complete lack of secondary
5. No passrush, especially once they started doubling Shaq
6. Horrible punt return game
7. Horrible kick return game
8. Starting TE 3rd best weapon (or 2nd before the year started) is playing horrible football
Now factor all of that in, consider it is a new offense, and realize that we are scoring more points than anytime with Koetter. Also consider if our defense was even league average in points we would be 4-2 and even if they are what they are today if our kicker made a chippy we would still be 3-3. Guys I know you hate Jameis with a passion not seen many times before, but if you think is even in the top 10 issues on this team I got a boat to sell you in the middle of the desert.
Lastly please oh please point out the QB in the history of the game that would succeed while getting hit every play, seeing pressure within 2 seconds on the majority of plays, has no run game to balance out the defenses aggressive playcalling and yet still are expected to score 30+ every game to win. Guys this is a formula that will not work, has not work and will continue to not work and that’s with Tom Brady, Patrick Machines, Peyton Manning, Warren Moon, etc….
You are letting the media distract you with the shinny object, watch the games understand WHY things happen and then you will see that we don’t need a new QB we need better PEOPLE as that is our problem we have way too many unreliable PEOPLE. In sports effort and passion matters in this sport more than most and ask yourself this, who do you see on this team that plays EVERY SNAP with the effort it takes because it matters to them regardless of results?
Does Mike Evans give max effort, does Donovan Smith give max effort, does OJ Howard give max effort, does Dare On…… give max effort when he lets guys run him over every week, is there more that he can do, does Hargraves give max effort, does Mike Edwards give max effort by letting guys waltz into the end two weeks ago?
Stop looking at the guys that bust it, regardless of results for now, and focus your attention on the lack of effort and will to win, because if you don’t have guys that give a crap on a football team then regardless of talent you will not win. AND WE HAVE WAAAAAY TO MANY GUYS ON THIS TEAM THAT ARE JUST ALONG FOR THE RIDE.
October 19th, 2019 at 9:08 am
Don’t be stupid. There is no “the” problem. Winston is one of several problems and it’s a big problem. Another big problem is the secondary. Winston is one away from being top in the league in picks. Other QBs can blame some of theirs on something else too so it’s a wash. Winston is constantly outplayed by QBs that he should be running circles around. Yet Bucs opponents collectively have a significantly higher passer rating than Winston. Some of it’s the D secondary, some of it’s the O line, a lot of it is Winston. The bottom line is both Winston and Secondary are not cutting it. Winston also cannot shine and lead in games when he needs to. Dropped a big steamer too often on home openers. Can he perform under pressure. Time and time again–NO. Move on.
October 19th, 2019 at 9:08 am
“The stupidity of the Buc Sheep
Last year when JW3 was throwing too many ints,
Last 6 games he took off. When the online broke down and his top 2 reads were covered, he took off by running
Alot of the mobile QBs does this
The organic twins BA/BL is forcing him to stay in the pocket and read the 4th and 5th option
BA now wants JW3 to throw the ball away
Lol, he has 2 guys on top of him and he is inside the hash Mark’s and he wants to throw the ball away? That is a penalty granda smurf
The Great Golfcart Heist”
Son of Kobe Faker
October 19th, 2019 at 9:11 am
I have a bad feeling we are gonna re sign him and continue this horror show for 3 more years. Why would loosing lover Licht just start making good decisions.
October 19th, 2019 at 9:15 am
So, when Jameis throws a pick in the first play of a game or doesn’t get a score in the redzone, that is the defense’s fault? In the case of him throwing a pick within 20 yards of your own endzone, how does that help the defense?
This isn’t a defense owes Jameis Winston type of game. This is both sides of the ball need to play better for the other side of the ball.
What do you think the defense is thinking after that pick on the first play? Oh, poor Jameis, we just needto give him another year and he’ll fix it.
Child, please!
October 19th, 2019 at 9:18 am
And along the lines of there are a multitude of problems, Winston and the DBs that make this team suck, enter the coaching and GM, where the common denominator for 5 years of hot garbage are Licht and Winston. So what did the Bucs do? A crap GM drafted piece of crap and brought in coaches and players to put more crap around the crap. At this point in the season compared to the past, the Bucs are overall WORSE than before. Wins, players stats, power rankings. You name it. As for two-win teams, they are worst among those. New coaching, new schemes with continued crap gets you exactly that. Trade Winston now and give Arians the option now to start over next year. Save the cap space and put it elsewhere. Trade Evans because is going to be the offseason controversy because he will ask for a trade anyway.
October 19th, 2019 at 9:18 am
Well, the Bucs are leading the NFC in points scored, so in that respect, yes. And Jameis is No. 5 in the NFL in passing yards.
Boy with statements like this Joe you might be able to fool the naive and dimwitted. But even then, if they actually watch the games they would know how meaningless these statements are.
October 19th, 2019 at 9:20 am
For the record TBTD here are the QBs that have more fumbles lost this year than Jameis:
1 Jared Goff Los Angeles Rams QB 4
1 Kyle Allen Carolina Panthers QB 4
1 Gardner Minshew Jacksonville Jaguars QB 4
4 Joe Flacco Denver Broncos QB 3
4 Andy Dalton Cincinnati Bengals QB 3
4 Daniel Jones New York Giants QB 3
8 Aaron Rodgers Green Bay Packers QB 2
8 Cam Newton Carolina Panthers QB 2
8 Josh Allen Buffalo Bills QB 2
8 Case Keenum Washington Redskins QB 2
8 Deshaun Watson Houston Texans QB 2
8 Kirk Cousins Minnesota Vikings QB 2
8 Philip Rivers Los Angeles Chargers QB 2
8 Jimmy Garoppolo San Francisco 49ers QB 2
8 Patrick Mahomes Kansas City Chiefs QB 2
8 Matthew Stafford Detroit Lions QB 2
8 Derek Carr Oakland Raiders QB 2
And BTW he has been hit and sacked more than each of them but don’t let facts get in the way of your completely inaccurate point.
October 19th, 2019 at 9:21 am
Busfanman- there are rarely checkdowns available. The running back AND TEs are staying in to block. When they do “leak out” it is way too late a Jameis is either on his back or scrambling. It is also clear this year that ME13 isn’t himself and Godwin is really the only one coming back to the QB when he scrambles which is one reason why he has so many catches. The entire problem is the same thing I’ve been saying for 3 years- the O-line just cannot protect Winston (or Fitzpatrick, btw). They are the absolute worst. I said it during the draft trade down, get 2 firsts and grab a true LT and Guard and move DS 76 to RT where he belongs.
October 19th, 2019 at 9:24 am
lambchop what do you think Jameis is thinking all day every day when he has seen this pathetic defense get destroyed by the likes of Kyle Allen, Daniel Jones and Teddy Bridgewater? I’m sure that just screams I can check it down all day and not score cause our defense will hold it down. BTW the first pick was on Mr. Half effort Mike Evans not Jameis, but keep spewing the garbage.
October 19th, 2019 at 9:26 am
Let’s see we were all happy with the oline in one game this year and what happened….
Oh yeah Jameis won NFC offensive player of the week and we scored 55 points, I wonder how that correlates? Hmmmm….
October 19th, 2019 at 9:33 am
Ndog,
Jameis has enough on his plate while holding the ball too long, being indecisive, and trying to be a hero. Let’s not add on to his worries.
And the first play was not Mike Evans making a half-hearted effort. Winston stared down Mike the whole time. You can’t do that against corner’s like Bradberry.
Winston sucks. Don’t let the blinders fool ya!
October 19th, 2019 at 9:34 am
Let Jameis string together just 4 games without imploding before we think he’s worth $20+ mill.
October 19th, 2019 at 9:35 am
Damn, must suck to be a QB and get blamed for sacks. I thought it was the offensive lines job to not give up sacks. Yeah, maybe there were a couple he took in the last game holding onto the ball, but Jesus Christ a lot of those sacks were complete jail breaks on Jameis with no time to even throw it out of bounds. Two of Jameis’ picks in that game were due to the fact that d linemen were able to get close enough to get contact with his arm as he released the ball. That is not being an apologist for Jameis, that is just reality. If the Bucs dump Jameis there is no way in hell they should bring in a rookie QB. The kid would get destroyed with this o line and no defense. If they let JW go they need to bring in some scrub and do a complete rebuild.
October 19th, 2019 at 9:42 am
Jjbuc- not always, but sometimes there are. There’s no overlooking how bad our o-line is. However, there are plays out there.
Brate’s in the seam and bracketed while a wr comes free underneath. JW throws into double coverage instead of the open wr. It’s one play, but it moves the chains.
October 19th, 2019 at 9:44 am
Jameis doesn’t play defense… does he? We haven’t had a good corner since ronde! We need to trade so bad but can’t afford anything so to be honest we need to pray we see some improvement from Winston so this season isn’t totally busted I mean cmon did you really think playoffs were in the future for us this year with that secondary?
October 19th, 2019 at 9:46 am
Bucsfanman I whole heardly agree with you he does just that but don’t you think the fact that pressure is coming within a half a second speeds him up to the point where he can’t wait for that guy to get open be it real or perceived?
October 19th, 2019 at 9:49 am
Jameis often makes the degree of difficulty high when he throws to Evans. Throw the ball shoulder height to every one. There have been many times that Mike has had to sky to snare for 8 or 9 foot pass and got a jarring hit for his trouble. I Hard to run when you are up in the air.
October 19th, 2019 at 9:51 am
edit: too many times
October 19th, 2019 at 9:52 am
D.R.
Good rant on repetition not making something correct. I’m tired of all the “meme” society…not just in sports although we football fans love to latch on to the latest….
On a simple analysis level it seems to me that people can get jerked off course if they do not heed your “football is a team sport”.
So if an entire team is 5% shy of talent, effort, preparation…whatever…what does it mean if not the team but several players are 50% below what is needed? Seems to me that latter situation is the easiest to repair…if the entire team is off we have problems.
I think the team is very close…but we need to fish or cut bait with several positions…the most obvious QB.
The QB decision drives the rest. If we cut JW loose then it might be time to trim some salary cap and pick up draft selections.
I’m not suggesting this! Just thinking out loud and illustrating what a difference in this TEAM just two moves would make.
If we let JW walk..the salary cap suddenly opens up…if we trade ME13..the cap REALLY loosens and we get a first round and probably another decent draft pick. It would be tough to lose ME13 a truly great WR…but it might rebalance our salary distributions and if we’re going to gamble at QB we should invest heavily in defense…both draft picks and money.
October 19th, 2019 at 9:57 am
Bob in Valrico Says:
October 19th, 2019 at 9:49 am
Jameis often makes the degree of difficulty high when he throws to Evans. Throw the ball shoulder height to every one. There have been many times that Mike has had to sky to snare for 8 or 9 foot pass and got a jarring hit for his trouble. I Hard to run when you are up in the air.
This above is simply not true, in fact it is a flat out lie. Are there some of course but the vast majority are easily catchable. Most of the time they look higher than they are cause Evans is always falling down as he catches it for no reason just like the on the first throw last week, stay on your feet and drive back to the ball. STAY ON YOUR FREAKING FEET !!!! Oh BTW when was the last time you saw Evans break a tackle? I’ll wait….
October 19th, 2019 at 9:59 am
Can the Bucs overcome negative plays? Sure
Panthers are a resent example… Cam struggles throwing, team 0-2; replace him with a QB that is a better QB, 4-0.
Can Jameis overcome negative plays? No!
History is cemented and unchangeable… He has been a turnover machine throughout his football career..
Is all the sacks on him? No
Even the best lines miss assignment
Are the majority of sacks his fault? Certainly!
Takes to long to read plays which causes
Holds onto the ball to long
Poor accuracy causes the opposing DC to bring the house at all times to shut down the run, flood the backfield and stay in his face
Does all the stats ‘highest scoring’ or passing yards really mean anything? NO!
Not win your losing way more than you are winning…
So teams get huge leads and let the Bucs rack up yardage, completions and even score purposely to run out the clock as long as the Bucs lose at the end (aka- garbage time)..
Could about rookie or vet. Come in and play better? Most definately….
A guy with a quick release, reads defense well, accurate and careful with the ball could stop the defense from bringing the house, force the defense to respect the pass, open up runs and produce wins….
Short passes to stop the heavy rushes, then intermediate passes to beat the blitz, run to keep them guessing and the deep shots when available…
The reason the Bucs can’t count on that now, Jameis inaccuracies!
October 19th, 2019 at 10:00 am
Tom Brady and Drew Breez would struggle behind this offensive line. You fix the line and then we can assess Jamies Winston properly. Until then this is all just nonsense.
October 19th, 2019 at 10:06 am
Tye
Everything you said is wrong.
A lot of what most of you have said is wrong.
I’m assuming ndog is the only who has played football, was well coached and actually watches film more importantly he understands what he’s seeing.
October 19th, 2019 at 10:09 am
BucsFanForLife,
There is enough time to throw the ball away or throw it to a check down.
How do you explain the play where Jameis gets stripped of the ball and TB recovers and the very next play does the same thing? That time for a turnover.
The OL gave him plenty of time to do THAT!
The right side was subpar do to injury, but it’s not a turnstile on every single play. Winston should get rid of the ball or be decisive and run and hurt the defense. That’ll soften the blitz like nothing else.
That’s what Tom Brady and Drew Brees would do, quick release and make the defense pay for their blitz. I’ll give you that the OC needs to be more creative, but Jameis needs to understand when to audible into a better play.
October 19th, 2019 at 10:09 am
Ndog – of course I do. The issue for me is that I feel like he should be able to see it better in his 5th year.
October 19th, 2019 at 10:12 am
The secondary has nothing to do with offensive giveaways and negative QB plays. What a ridiculous notion.
You can be supportive of Winston and be excited that teams sit back in a bend but dont break defense in the second half allowing him to rack up garbage time stats, but dont sit here and try to convince me that players standing on the sidelines are responsible for Jameis crap decisions when the ball is in his hands.
He forces dumb passes, throws inaccurate balls, and holds the ball in the pocket too long regardless of the score or situation.
He’s a 15-20 interception per year QB, 15-20 years ago that was fine. In today’s game however with today’s defensive rules, that doesnt work.
Here is the one free release that I will give Winston, Donovan Smith sucks and so does Demar Dotson even when healthy. Winston should know that internally and it should speed up his clock in the pocket, but it doesnt.
This whole thing is a sh!t show, and no it isn’t all Jameis fault, but his inadequacies as a QB have been proved unfixable by none other than himself, and the biggest problem in the whole equation is that the time has come to decide if he’s worth keeping at a king’s ransom or to let him walk and start over.
The smart money decision should be to start over at the position and use the money saved to bolster more glaring holes on the roster.
October 19th, 2019 at 10:15 am
That bad secondary got a whole lot worse when Jameis’s six turnovers put them back on the field six more times then they should’ve been. # stop the excuses.
October 19th, 2019 at 10:16 am
Why is this website not reporting on the report that we are setting their sights on a new QB next year. it’s a shame that the Battered Winston syndrome overtook Joe Two but this needs to be reported on.
The “report” you’re likely referring to from Mike Freeman is just speculation based on unsourced comments. Plus the report you likely read also says “expected to.” So again, it’s just unsourced speculation. Joe knows and likes Freeman, but the report is what it is. The reality is that Jameis will start next Sunday, so his chances of returning at QB next season and very healthy.–Joe
October 19th, 2019 at 10:20 am
Tye – “most of the sacks are on the QB”. That is a lie. The overwhelming majority of the sacks on not on the damn QB. I am always amazed out how clueless fans in Tampa are.
October 19th, 2019 at 10:21 am
Most of the sacks ARE on him. Plain and simple. Throw it away, scramble out of the pocket quickly and buy time, or step up into pressure, roll slowly away from pressure the way he’s done.
October 19th, 2019 at 10:22 am
Um, as the #1 pick overall with the ball in your hands on every offensive play you cannot make these errors at this frequency. Think of how many more points could’ve been scored and how many more wins it would’ve yielded? We’ll never know. He’s on the Bortles path to a back up.
October 19th, 2019 at 10:22 am
Bro
Where is the report?
October 19th, 2019 at 10:32 am
Wins are the only thing that counts. If you don’t win, changes must be made. There are no sacred cows. It’s time for Mr. Move O From A Mistake to move on from another one of his many mistakes. And we have to endure 5 more years of Licht Headedness? What a joke.
October 19th, 2019 at 10:32 am
NDOG:
UTUBE Evans one handed catch against Falcons
Look it up !
I believe Evans broke a tackle on wide receiver screen last week for a first down.
October 19th, 2019 at 10:41 am
Yes Bob that was one as I said some are not perfect BUT you stated often, one is not often. Plus I don’t need to look it up and in fact it should have been a penalty on Neal for spearing him in the chest. But that’s my point there is one play you can point out and that is what you use when there are literally hundreds of other throws that are perfect. And no he didn’t break a tackle he fell forward for the first as the guy had his legs if he had broken the tackle it could have been a huge play but again he doesn’t break tackles EVER.
October 19th, 2019 at 10:42 am
If you keepb saying the defense is not the problem and making excuses for them people may bite on it.
# Bucdefensedoesnotrule!
October 19th, 2019 at 10:43 am
^keep
October 19th, 2019 at 10:50 am
Figures can lie and liars can figure. ONLY stat that counts for franchise QB is WINS; everything else is an excuse.
JayMiss should be excused
October 19th, 2019 at 10:51 am
Jameis has difficulty reading defenses
October 19th, 2019 at 11:14 am
gotbbucs yet you expect us to put the blame on Jameis for not “winning games” where he is awesome yet the defense is horrid. Double standard much?
Examples below:
Buffalo Bills 2017 (QB Rating 112.3)
Atlanta Falcons 2018 x 2 (QB Rating 115.4 & 121.7)
Giants this year (QB Rating 112.4)
GB 2017 (QB Rating 112.8)
Carolina 2017 (QB Rating 131.1)
Atlanta Falcons 2017 (QB Rating 130.5)
Giants 2018 (QB Rating 129.9)
October 19th, 2019 at 11:18 am
Simple question, ask yourselves this. If our passing game was in the middle of the pack would we ever win a game with this team? Then ask yourself who’s the QB of said passing game?
October 19th, 2019 at 11:26 am
Lmao, you guys are funny.
This is who tunnel visioned and completely stupid you morons are. Sam Donald has 5 TDs and 7 ints yet the bulls are 4-1.
October 19th, 2019 at 11:26 am
Ndog I edited that post to say : too many times
I know of three times Jameis has gotten Evans hurt.
The first was when Evans had to his back to a defender and he was so hit hard in the back that he couldn’t get off the field fast enough and time expired on us.
I am not a big fan of squaring up to present a target for quarterback . But I didn’t call the play.
The other one was similar on the next to last game in the year he made the Pro Bowl . Once again he was hit from behind probably in the head. He took himself out of the game .He played the next game ,but basically ran interference for about 10 screens to Hump.
He said he was still dinged up and ended going to the pro bowl ,but if memory serves ,he didn’t play a down.
October 19th, 2019 at 11:27 am
I cannot wait until next year when we do not have to have this poor excuse of a human name in our mouth. Still scratching my head that we did not trade him
October 19th, 2019 at 11:31 am
NDOG : Jameis didn’t tell Evans that he doesn’t throw the deep ball good ,so you gotta catch it. because his passes are all perfect. This is his best year in hitting Evans in stride.
October 19th, 2019 at 11:31 am
NDog: we would have won both the Carolina and San Fran games if we would of had a different starting QB. That would be a 4-2 record. Any NFL defense would be “garbage” if they are continually on the field. Don’t be fooled by his stats that are piled up due to his poor play in the first 3 quarters of the game.
October 19th, 2019 at 11:47 am
Management, coaching(defense), and the other teams secondary(they keep intercepting Jameis’s passes). Those are problems that we are stuck with Joe
October 19th, 2019 at 11:53 am
Battered Winston Syndrome strikes one of the Joe’s again. And NDOG is a carrier of the plague.
Both are simply wrong.
Both need an intervention.
Both want to saddle the Buc’s with Winston long term and continue the Buc’s losing long term.
Sad really. Although losing may be what the Glazer’s want really.
Just move the team to London already.
October 19th, 2019 at 11:54 am
Sam Donald has 5 TDs and 7 ints yet the bills are 4-1.
They also have a really good def. hmmmmm
October 19th, 2019 at 11:58 am
Tye … “Can Jameis overcome negative plays? No!” Uhhh, although this plays right into Ndog’s hands … yes Jameis can overcome negative plays IMO. Virtually EVERY starting-caliber QB in the NFL can, with the right TEAM around them (and the right OC).
The Bucs have had 13 turnovers in 6 games … horrendous IMO. Of those, Jameis was the ‘culprit’ in 11 of those: 10 INTs & 1 fumble lost. But look a little deeper & a somewhat different picture emerges I think. 11 of those 13 TOs occurred in just TWO of our 6 games. Bucs had ZERO TOs in the 1st Panthers game and none in the Saints game. We had ONE TO in the Giants game (Jameis INT) & ONE in the Rams game (Jameis INT).
So ‘Bad Jameis’ showed up twice in 6 games (49ers & 2nd Panthers game) … and we lost both. ‘Good Jameis’ showed up in 2 games (Rams & Giants) … we won 1 & should’ve won the other. ‘Decent Jameis’ also showed up in 2 games (1st Panthers game & Saints) … we won 1 but lost the other. Overall, Jameis has played ‘good enough’ to get us to a 3-3 record (the Giants loss SHOULD’VE been a win).
Given the way the rest of the team has played, 3-3 is probably about the best we should’ve expected at this point. Had our team AND Jameis played better games, we MIGHT HAVE been able to beat both the 49ers & the Panthers (a second time). Those FOUR games in the middle though (Panthers, Giants, Rams & Saints) saw Jameis play RELATIVELY ERROR FREE (no fumbles, only 2 INTs) even though he took 15 sacks in those 4 games (nearly 4 sacks/game).
Jameis’ biggest issue has been his INCONSISTENCY. 4 good-to-decent games vs 2 bad ones. Same can be said for the team of course … ERRATIC PLAY. Personally I believe that a LOT of that has to do with PREPARATION (to include game planning) AND play-calling (getting guys in the best situation to make plays). It’s not ALL on Jameis … but SOME of it is. Bucs desperately need to figure it out … and soon … so that we can determine who to move forward with.
October 19th, 2019 at 11:59 am
Sharthappens Says:
October 19th, 2019 at 11:31 am
NDog: we would have won both the Carolina and San Fran games if we would of had a different starting QB. That would be a 4-2 record. Any NFL defense would be “garbage” if they are continually on the field. Don’t be fooled by his stats that are piled up due to his poor play in the first 3 quarters of the game.
Yeah any QB can win with a horrid defense, his TE commiting two TOs in one game, receivers dropping balls and running crappy routes and oh BTW getting hit pretty much every time drops back and no running game. Yep this oline is awesome, this defense is dominating, this running game is unstoppable and our receiving core is playing better than ever.
October 19th, 2019 at 12:02 pm
Ndog
These guys have zero clue. Just let them drown in their ignorance.
October 19th, 2019 at 12:05 pm
Interesting stats from Football Outsiders
Bucs Offense:
Yds per drive rank 23rd
INT per drive rank 30th
Total TO’s per drive 23rd
Plays per drive 26th
Time of POS 26th
Bucs Defense:
yds per drive rank 12th
INT per drive rank 24th
Total TO’s per drive rank 13th
Plays per drive 13th
Time of POS 8th
Poor Field position from turnovers and 3 & Outs have put the D in a bunch of tough spots by having to defend half a field or much less. Not saying the secondary is great but these stats tell a way different story.
October 19th, 2019 at 12:05 pm
Sam Darnold is Jets
Josh Allen is Bills…
at least get that right… SMH!
October 19th, 2019 at 12:06 pm
So Joe doesn’t think all those turnovers put pressure on the secondary? It’s all the secondary’s fault?
October 19th, 2019 at 12:13 pm
DB55
Who is Sam Donald, and the Bills?
October 19th, 2019 at 12:16 pm
DB55 … You pretty much get what you pay for. Well, unless you’re the Bucs paying for an offense.
Our defense ‘Cap cost’ for this year (active) is $52.8 mil … for 22 players (we’re light compared to most) according to Spotrac. That gives us a #29 ranking in terms of Cost of Defense. We’re currently ranked #30 in the NFL (POINTS ALLOWED).
The Bills defense you spoke of costs $75.6 mil … a #12 ranking in cost. Their defense is currently ranked #4 in the NFL (POINTS ALLOWED). Definitely getting ‘more than their money’s worth’.
Of the teams that we’ve played (we’ve played some good defenses BTW) …
o San Fran defense costs $85.1 mil … a #3 ranking in cost. Their defense is currently ranked #2 in the NFL (POINTS ALLOWED).
o Panthers defense costs $77.3 mil … a #8 ranking in cost. Their defense is currently ranked #15 in the NFL (POINTS ALLOWED). (Underperforming)
o Giants defense costs $51.6 mil … a # 30 ranking in cost. Their defense is currently ranked #27 in the NFL (POINTS ALLOWED).
o Rams defense costs $71.3 mil … a #15 ranking in cost. Their defense is currently ranked #24 in the NFL (POINTS ALLOWED). (Underperforming)
o Saints defense costs $61.8 mil … a #21 ranking in cost. Their defense is currently ranked #11 in the NFL (POINTS ALLOWED).
Interesting to note that the two teams we beat … Panthers & Rams … have defenses that are UNDERPERFORMING (cost vs performance).
October 19th, 2019 at 12:18 pm
So what TOs helped the defense get shreeded against the Giants, Saints and Rams?
October 19th, 2019 at 12:20 pm
The turnovers are one thing but his propensity to make ridiculously poor decisions in year 5 is what leads me to believe he’ll never change or be the guy, On a key 3rd and 5 and you can almost count on Jameis to throw a low percentage pass.
October 19th, 2019 at 12:20 pm
Tye
Lol, point is he sucks yet has a 4-1 record. Care to explain since he has more ints than TDs. Or does that not fit the narrative?
October 19th, 2019 at 12:22 pm
I’m over this can. I’d take a long look at Jalen Hurts, that kid is gonna be a good pro.
October 19th, 2019 at 12:24 pm
Jameis is about to get $$$ PAID $$$, if not by Tampa (who may “move on” from their FOURTH QB that will go win a Super Bowl ring on another team, while Tampa, the team that drafted him, will burn out another rookie QB and be “starting over” again come 2025), then by one of about 14 other teams.
The ONLY QB in the entire NFL to have even a .500 record with a bottom 11 rushing offense and bottom 11 rushing defense is the reigning MVP … and had Matt Gay hit the chip-shot to win the Giants game, the ONLY other QB that would be with Mahomes in that group would be … Jameis Winston.
So many Tampa fans are sooooooo stupid it’s scary!
October 19th, 2019 at 12:25 pm
JOE,
What does Winston’s lack of ability to score in the FIRST QUARTER or FiRST HALF of games have to do with the secondary giving up lots of yards?
The Defense hasn’t even played yet when the Bucs get the ball first in a game and Winston fails to drive the team to score.
The majority of the Bucs ‘scoring’ and ‘yardage’ this season is BACK-LOADED. It’s happening in the 2nd half (with the exception of the Giants game and some of that Rams game anomaly).
Winston had 105 yards total passing against the Saints until late in the 4th when he added another 100+ yards when the game was already out of reach (and he through meaningless late game TD to Godwin). Same with the London game where he racked up 400 yards during time the game was already out of reach (because of HIS failures early in the game).
Let’s stop blaming the Defense for Winston’s lack of early game scoring and early game production.
One could also argue the Defense suffers BECAUSE OF WINSTON since he doesn’t sustain drives and allow them to rest, especially early in games.
Imagine playing your heart out on Defense and expending a lot of energy and getting the ball back to our Offense and then Winston turns it over and fails to move to put together much of a drive and now you’re RIGHT BACK ON THE FIELD without much time to rest since the last time you took the field.
You don’t think that makes a Defense play worse? The lack of rest?
October 19th, 2019 at 12:25 pm
^ I meant “bottom 11 yardage defense” …. not “bottom 11 rushing defense”
October 19th, 2019 at 12:27 pm
Easy Says:
October 19th, 2019 at 12:22 pm
I’m over this can. I’d take a long look at Jalen Hurts, that kid is gonna be a good pro.
Dude are you serious, yeah let’s take a kid who couldn’t pull it off with literally the most talented team of all time.
October 19th, 2019 at 12:27 pm
July Joe,
Once against your love for Winston is DELUSIONAL. If the Bucs don’t give Winston a big money contract no other team will give him one. He may get signed by another team but I can guarantee you it won’t be a massive contract. it will be heavily incentive loaded and his base contract will be much lower than average.
YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST.
October 19th, 2019 at 12:28 pm
Yeah, HOW DARE WINSTON drop that beautiful 74 yard TD dime he threw to himself just before half of the Panthers game? What a bum. It’s his fault he didn’t catch his own pass and put “14” on the board instead of “7” at the half.
By the way, Shaq Barrett is a LOSER with a 2-4 record who couldn’t even beat Gerald McCoy on a neutral field, the Bucs better not even think about re-signing him just cause he has some worthless sacks, as “stats are for losers” and Shaq Barrett is a 2-4 loser, so is Mike “I drop perfect 74 yard TD passes” … dump them all and draft a whole team of rookies who have never lost an NFL game yet, that’s the ticket!
SO MANY TAMPA FANS ARE SOOOOOOOOOOOOO STUPID!
October 19th, 2019 at 12:30 pm
Shaq Barrett is a LOSER!!!! TRADE HIM!!!!!!!!!!
He’s 2-4 and we all know football is a 1-on-1 game!
Shaq Barrett couldn’t even beat Gerald McCoy in London!
Shaq couldn’t even beat the Giants garbage pass-rushers at home in Tampa!
Shaq puts up sack stats but “stats are for losers”!
We need to dump Shaq’s LOSING behind and draft a pass rusher instead!
HAHAHAHA … THAT IS EXACTLY HOW MOST TALK ABOUT JAMEIS … SOOOO STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 19th, 2019 at 12:33 pm
D.R.
How dare you try and bring balance and facts to our JW debate?
He either sucks or he is the greatest QB since Brady…of course in reality he’s somewhere in the middle with horrible inconsistency.
I agree JW has played well enough for us to be 3-3…he could still win seven or the last ten (could being the operative word) or the D could get really strong…bottom line for me is I do not see JW as carrying this team.
He can certainly win some games but is he worth the $$$? That is the big question for me. How much is JW worth?
October 19th, 2019 at 12:34 pm
BucnJim … Great analysis. It won’t sway Joe (he tends to suffer from tunnel vision on some things) but it makes your point beautifully.
October 19th, 2019 at 12:37 pm
Bandit
Weeks 1-4 the Bucs and Winston has a half time lead over their opponents. So 4 out of 6 games or 66% of the time.
October 19th, 2019 at 12:37 pm
July Joe … You know what they say about PERCEPTION IS REALITY. Well your perception of how ‘most’ talk about Jameis isn’t even close. But keep trying, Joe will listen if no one else will.
October 19th, 2019 at 12:37 pm
At this point Jameis needs to go. What do you think happens to team morale and momentum in games when Jameis starts gifting the ball away.
Last week when his first pass gotintercepted that 💯 effected the defense and entire team “hear we go again”. He put massive pressure on our defense and has for years with his inconsistency and turnovers.
People are saying he played well at the Giants? He had a good first half! Not complete game!!!
We need to move on from him or it’s just going to be the same s^%t year after year. He has proven he can’t put a team on his back and win like the elite QBs and he can’t really be a game manger either because he absolutely throws up on himself a few time a year. He gets hot for a few series at a time, but has yet to put together 4-5 hot games ever in his career. How is that a recipe to have a chance at a super bowl?
Of course he’s not the only problem but he is the biggest in my opinion. I wanted him to work out so so badly, but time’s up. I root for the team not a single player. For the team to get better we need to move on. It definitely sucks that our #1 overall QB was a bust, but this is the NFL and s$&t happens.
October 19th, 2019 at 12:46 pm
July Joe – YES, what an amazing, deep perfect pass that Winston threw that Evans dropped.
Now analyze the other 70%+ of deep passes that Winston has thrown in his career (and in games this year) that were completely uncatchable.
Go ahead, we’ll wait.
October 19th, 2019 at 12:47 pm
@DefenseRules,
Yeah, sure … right after you said that, the very next post was by a clown saying, “Jameis needs to go” ….
TAMPA FANS are some of the most historically-ignorant and statistically-ignorant fans in the NFL … IT’S SCARY!!!!!!!!!!
October 19th, 2019 at 12:50 pm
Defense Rules,
July Joe, Ndog, DB55 and many others on this site, are classic sufferers of the Dunning-Kruger Effect where they suffer from massive cognitive bias.
They believe so strongly in their love and support of Winston that they believe cognitive ability to assess his performance is much greater than it really is.
These guys are the Flat Earthers of Bucs fans. They’ve convinced themselves that Winston is an elite QB when the totality of data and his performances prove emphatically that he is far from it.
October 19th, 2019 at 12:59 pm
@ Ndog
I never said a single thing about wins and losses. Wins and losses ARE a product of a team effort.
My point is that you cant blame Winston’s penchant for bonehead plays on everybody else. At what point does any of the blame fall on the man with the ball in his hand?
Some Int’s are a product of dropped passes by receivers, not Winston’s fault. Some Int’s and fumbles are a product of poor protection, not Winston’s fault.
The Int’s that are a product of staring down receivers, throwing insanely inaccurate balls, and throwing into double and triple coverage are the concern, and I’m just estimating that at least 2/3’s of his picks are of this variety.
What I think we ultimately have here is either a shell shocked QB that may or may not recover from getting hit, or we have a QB that has been playing this exact way since the beginning at isnt able to be coached out of this. Either way, a logical franchise can’t/shouldn’t gamble a $150+ million contract or $27 million franchise tag on that player.
They would have to put together an absolute shut down defense and completely take on field decision making away from Winston and use cue cards on the sideline like a college football team to predetermine where the ball should go on every play.
October 19th, 2019 at 1:01 pm
Someone should go back through the All 22 and chart how many Sacks Jameis has avoided in the pocket with his elusiveness vs how many times hes been sacked.
The Oline like Jameis, has been wildly inconsistent this season in pass protection. I wonder if those things go hand in hand or not…
October 19th, 2019 at 1:06 pm
Saw on the Twitter where Mike Freeman (NFL guy) reported that several front-office sources have told him both Tennessee and TB are moving on from Mariota and Jameis, respectively. That’s great news for us.
October 19th, 2019 at 1:12 pm
So nice to see that the Nuthugger Suckfest is still going strong with head slurpers ndog and DB55!
What happened to Munch?
Did he get lock jaw from all the “hard” work?
October 19th, 2019 at 1:22 pm
Ndog
Looks like your on your own bro. My comments are just straight disappearing now. 🤷🏽♂️ It was fun.
October 19th, 2019 at 1:25 pm
JOE Get the Fock over sticking up for Jameis He is what he always was.
An ATM.
October 19th, 2019 at 1:28 pm
Jameis Winston death march continues…10 games left and we are FREE!
Noise coming out that JW won’t be back next year. Finally, free at last of the Winston curse.
And we can dump all his fan boys too! Hell yeah!
October 19th, 2019 at 1:33 pm
Fkn idiots!!!!
Bandit and Tdicks the same person?
Reports?! 1 tweet about hearsay is now a report!!!
Bunch of fkn idiots I swear.
Winston will be rid of you people soon enough.
October 19th, 2019 at 1:44 pm
The defense doesn’t throw picks. The defense doesn’t fumble the ball. The defense doesn’t overthrow receivers. The defense doesn’t take unnecessary sacks. Winston blows! Get in a replacement ASAP. Every season starts with high expectations and 5 games in fans are talking about the draft every year.
October 19th, 2019 at 3:10 pm
Bandit
I’m simply focused on YOUR analysis and it all wrong guy.
You said all points score are late in the game during garbage time yet in 4/6 games the Bucs have led at half-time. Pretty simple stuff there guy.
Maybe your basis has you missing the facts.
October 19th, 2019 at 3:13 pm
I really want Winston to succeed but unfortunately he is who he is. He is the modern day Brett Favre in terms of constantly making stupid decisions at times. 2 of the Bucs 4 losses are squarely on Winston plain and simple. Last week against Carolina and against the 49ers
October 19th, 2019 at 3:38 pm
I love how you guys just put every TOs on Jameis like these same players that clearly screw up every other way also don’t neglect to comeback to the ball, run crap routes, miss blocks, pop balls up in the air to get picked. You keep saying 6 TOs when exactly two were 100% his fault. Now is two great of course not but when we suck in doing everything do you really believe that all of these TOs are his fault? I mean of course you do cause you’re clueless but it really is common sense but of course you don’t have any.
October 19th, 2019 at 3:48 pm
Oregon vs Washington right now..
hoping the Bucs brass is watching closely.. Herbert and Eason playing in the same game!
October 19th, 2019 at 3:55 pm
Ndog – MOST of it is his fault. You just won’t admit it.
Anonymous – I only post using one username. BUT… get used to it… your little precious Jameis is GONE from this team very soon.
October 19th, 2019 at 3:59 pm
The Bucs have sent scouts to the LSU,Utah State and Oregon game to scout their Qb in 2019.
Winston is not coming back!!
October 19th, 2019 at 4:01 pm
No most are not his fault that is what you don’t understand. But at this point whatever bro we suck so it really doesn’t matter.
October 19th, 2019 at 4:18 pm
Creative use of Its somebody else’s fault and % of blame fault might get you somewhere in court. But its hard to deny that Jameis is one of the most errror prone players on the team. Even when he’s not making turnovers he is prone to to overthrows, and off target passes. You can’t blame the receiver when passes are thrown behind them.
October 19th, 2019 at 4:18 pm
Ndog – so you’re saying the guy that’s led the league in turnovers over the past 4 years really didn’t due to his own fault? That it was mostly the fault of other players on the team or other circumstances?
ROFLMAO.
C’mon, man. This is now bordering on the ABSURD with how you defend Winston. Sure, some turnovers may not have directly been his fault (as is the same with other QBs and their turnovers) but one has to look at the overall body of work over 4+ years and all of the turnovers that clearly WERE his fault. He’s a turnover machine.
Geez… the day Winston is off this team can’t come soon enough.
October 19th, 2019 at 4:26 pm
Bandit so they cut Jameis what do you think is going to happen? Do you think these slot plotting WRs are going to suddenly get open? Are these dropped passed suddenly going to be caught? Is Josh Wells going to become a great blocker? Is Hargraves, Davis and company going to start locking down WRs? Is Nassib going to start getting 2 sacks a week? Are we going to find a great punt/kick returner walking the street the day Jameis is gone?
BTW you are one of worst fans I have ever seen in my life, if you are a fan of the Bucs, which I highly doubt.
October 19th, 2019 at 4:32 pm
Tye Says:
October 19th, 2019 at 3:48 pm
Oregon vs Washington right now..
hoping the Bucs brass is watching closely.. Herbert and Eason playing in the same game!
Yeah both these guys suck out loud. And they each have all day throw and they still suck.
October 19th, 2019 at 5:12 pm
When the next scapegoat comes in and lose then what???? Why do yall think that a quarterback is the answer to a losing team. Look at the Gaints game. That’s been the case for Jamies since he came to this team. I saw what Brady Quinn, Tim Couch, and David Carr said when you go to a bad team and a bad franchise it’s hard to play in this league. Cause people don’t understand that it’s a team game. And for Jamies he just try to hard to win cause he wants to win . But Jamies can and should be selfish. He can play just for stats just like Alex Smith did and others. They worried more about their stats so they never take any chances and they rather lose than take a chance on their stats. Jamies could have easily set back after the first interception and not try to make a comeback and he would have had 1 interception and 2 touchdown passes . But he cares about winning more than the most of the players on the team and that’s the problem with Jamies and his turnovers.
October 19th, 2019 at 6:50 pm
Oneilbucs you nailed it!!
October 19th, 2019 at 7:36 pm
Josh Allen 5tds 7 ints, bills 3rd rank def, 4-1 record
Jimmy G 7tds 7 TOs (5ints 2 lost fumbles), niners 2nd ranked def, 5-0 record
The bottom 5 defenses in the league: Miami, Cincinnati, Arizona, Detroit and New York have a combined 6 wins between them.
The bottom 10 defenses have a combined total of 14 wins in 6 weeks.
So what contributes more to win/loss, turnovers or defense?
October 19th, 2019 at 8:22 pm
DB55 … “So what contributes more to win/loss, turnovers or defense?” Interesting question DB, but moot. A loss is a loss is a loss. Buffalo’s relatively expensive defense ($74.6 mil … #12 in cost) is PRODUCING. Our very expensive offense ($99.3 mil … #1 in cost) ISN’T. May sound simplistic, but money does buy talent. And the $52.8 mil (#29 in cost) that our defense costs is about $22 mil short of what Buffalo is spending. That’s what, say 1 veteran CB & 1 veteran DE as a minimum?
Besides, Buffalo has played FOUR weak teams (Jets, Giants, Bengals, Titans) with a combined record of 5-18 right now (THAT’S pretty bad). Their 1 loss came at the hands of the 6-0 Patriots. Bucs have played 5 games against winning teams & 1 game against the Giants … who beat us.
Buffalo’s defense is ranked #4 in POINTS ALLOWED and #3 in YARDS ALLOWED. Isn’t it interesting that their DC is Leslie Frasier … fired by the Bucs because he wasn’t great results with our defense. Hmmm, the very same Leslie Frasier. Wow, he sure must’ve learned a LOT since we fired him. Ya right.
October 19th, 2019 at 10:12 pm
NDog,
You can say the same thing about ANY QB and them leaving and it not solving other problems. So why! If Ryan Leaf was our QB you could say the same thing that if he left it wouldn’t make those other players play better and solve other problems. What does that have to do with being able to evaluate the QB position independently? Ryan Leaf would still be Ryan Leaf, and the team would be better off without him. The same goes for Winston. 4+ years later and he has not proven to be a solid, consistent NFL QB. It’s time for Winston to go. As a bonus getting rid of Winston also helps us have more cap money to sign better players to replace many of the ones you’ve mentioned. But even if it didn’t give us more cap space, a sucky QB is still a sucky QB, and Winston needs to go.
October 20th, 2019 at 3:44 am
@Defense Rules-
Per usual, great posts my man. Far too many posters on this site are either 100% all In or 100% completely against Jameis. So everything is either always his fault, or (almost) never his fault.
The reality is somewhere in between.
As you so eloquently stated- his biggest issue has been consistency. And really it always has been. But that goes for the entire team. The o-line goes from playing above average against LA to downright abysmal the next 2 weeks. I asked this question the other day but it still stands true: what QB could actually excel playing behind this line, coupled with no run game (the last 2 weeks) and the worst ranked passing defense in the league?
The sack and QB hit #s you posted are disturbing. Now of course some of the defensive struggles are from the offense turning it over, but that has mostly been concentrated in 2 out of 6 games.
There just too many issues at too many positions, including quarterback, for this roster to compete unless they play more consistent, fundamentally sound football on both sides of the ball.
October 20th, 2019 at 7:20 am
Unbelievable … “There just too many issues at too many positions, including quarterback, for this roster to compete unless they play more consistent, fundamentally sound football on both sides of the ball.”
THAT’S an outstanding summation of precisely where we are Unbelievable. And THAT’S precisely why coaches get paid the big bucks … to get this TEAM playing consistent, fundamentally-sound football on BOTH sides of the ball.
Apparently it’s not something that happens overnight or we’d be 6-0 right now.
October 20th, 2019 at 1:40 pm
DR
Fair point. Love talking football with you bro. ✊🏾
October 20th, 2019 at 3:23 pm
Ndog Says:
October 19th, 2019 at 12:27 pm
About Jalen Hurts:
Dude are you serious, yeah let’s take a kid who couldn’t pull it off with literally the most talented team of all time.
Hurts was NOT on the 2001 Miami Hurricanes team, sorry.
October 20th, 2019 at 4:31 pm
No I don’t want no more black quarterbacks on this team. Cause if we do a lot of people on this site is going to blame him for ever lost this team suffers and I’m a black man talking. Get a white quarterback so that we can build the team cause this fan base will give him time to grow and I know it’s not all people and the national media will give him time to grow just like all the others.
October 21st, 2019 at 8:12 pm
Oneilbucs,
Those of us that want Winston gone don’t want him gone because he’s black, we want him gone because he has been an overhyped disappointment. Too inconsistent and a turnover machine.
We’d gladly take Russell Wilson, Deshaun Watson, or Mahomes over Winston. So it’s not a race thing.
And I can assure you, if we had a white QB that sucked as much as Winston we’d want him gone too!
It’s about having a solid, reliable QB to build around and be confident in that can bring us wins. Race has nothing to do with it, it’s just easy for you to take it personally since you’re black and Winston happens to be black.
Winston sucks just as much as Mariota. They’ve both been major disappointments
We need to dump Winston and try a new QB prospect… doesn’t matter if he’s white, black, yellow, brown, purple, or any other color. Just someone that doesn’t giveaway games with major turnovers over 4+ years.
October 22nd, 2019 at 12:44 pm
@Oneil
You must not have been around for Fitzpatrick, McCown, Glennon, Greise, Simms, Gradkowski, Dilfer, Erickson, DeBerg, Testaverde… and on and on