The Rise Of Inexpensive Quarterbacks
October 7th, 2019
Imagine what would have happened if you walked into a Vegas or Indiana sportsbook (why can’t Florida have one?) and asked for odds on quarterbacks Jacoby Brissett, Teddy Bridgewater, Kyle Allen and Gardner Minshew combining for 11 wins by the first week in October.
The wide-eyed wiseguys would have been drooling to take your cash.
But here we are, those four quarterbacks have combined for 30 touchdowns passes, six interceptions and 11 wins against four losses. They’ve been fantastic.
So it sure is a challenging time to be an established QB searching for a gargantuan pay day when these low-paid guys are racking up Ws and looking great doing it. The NFL has always been a league about trends and if this keeps up, owners will be more hesitant to open the vault for slightly questionable starting quarterbacks such as Marcus Mariota and Jameis Winston.
Joe’s not spanking America’s Quarterback here, but entering this season he was a middle-of-the-pack starter. And he’s still there after five games.
What would be Jameis’ worth on the open market if cheap guys are thriving and the NFL is doing everything it can to help even marginal quarterback talents thrive in a pass-happy league?
Joe can’t answer that. But Joe does know that Jameis needs to play better — and hope the blue-chip quarterbacks start outshining the newcomers and the Brissetts and Bridgewaters of the world — if he wants the contract he dreamed of before this season.
October 7th, 2019 at 10:12 am
jameis played well vs the rams…and has been pretty darn good this year…
but yesterday, if luck wasn’t on his side (in a sense), he could have threw 2-3 more picks…
if you saw the game and actually watched it – you know what’s up…
somehow his stat sheet was remarkably clean yesterday…go figure
October 7th, 2019 at 10:13 am
well teddy is a former 1st round pick with playoff experience and JB has plenty of starting experience along with spending a couple years under brady….not too surprised with their performance….
i’ve seen KA and GM act before in the form of matt schaub, case keenum and krik cousins….
GO BUCS!!!!!
October 7th, 2019 at 10:15 am
Joe, this is an excellent article and I agree with the general premise here. Unless a team has a bona fide star, perennial MVP candidate, and future Hall of Famer it doesn’t make as much sense to pay the big money to QBs. Teams nowadays are drafting young, talents QBs and then spending a ton of cash at other positions to support that QB. Eagles did this with Wentz, Rams did this with Goff, the Texans are doing this with Watson, and the Cowboys are doing this with Prescott. Conversely when you look at the Bengals, Redskins, Broncos, Lions, and Vikings they are examples of teams that are hamstrung by their QB salaries. There are a few other teams you can throw in there as well. The Bucs cannot be that next team with Jameis. He’s not a bona fide star or perennial MVP candidate. This team has far more needs to address and there isn’t value is chewing up $30+ million in an average QB. By the way, I predict Marcus Mariota will be benched soon in Tennessee. He’s holding that team back.
October 7th, 2019 at 10:17 am
u would have to be a moron to pay jameis 35+ million. which is exactly why im expecting jason to do it. would u pay cutler or stafford 30 mill? no. thats the plane jameis is in meh. u may win a few games with him but in the end hes just too inconsistent. which is the only thing hes consistent at. give it up @joe jameis wont be elite he see saws. he shouldve had 3 picks yesterday 2 got called back one was s laser that hit the guy in the facemask.
October 7th, 2019 at 10:19 am
No one right now but the Bucs would consider paying Cap Busting $ to Jameis “Meaningless Stats” Winston. And the Bucs should not consider it at this point.
Someone will take a flyer on Winston if he hits the open market, but Blue Chip money…Unlikely.
Now the Bucs might do it, but if they do, it will very likely end up being the wrong choice.
October 7th, 2019 at 10:23 am
backups recognize their own in the bucs starters so they are immediately comfortable…. bucs have been starting backups for the better part of 40 years…
October 7th, 2019 at 10:30 am
I’m a huge Winston supporter, but I have to agree he has not earned a big contract yet. I said the same thing after the win last week, when Joe suggested we extend Winston so we could franchise Barrett.
It just doesn’t make sense yet.
Do I think Jameis will earn a new contract? More than likely/ But I’m big on giving players what they earn, not what they might earn. Until he earns it with consistency, he should not be paid.
If that means he moves on and hits the market, so be it. I hope that doesn’t happen, but let some other team take a chance on him (which I think would pay off).
That said, as much as Tampa fans say we need to draft a QB to replace him, that’s even more of a risk. As are free agents. Really, it might be more of a case of the devil we know.
But personally, I hope he turns into the best QB in the division by season end, and gets a very nice extension.
October 7th, 2019 at 10:31 am
Good write-up logical joe
Pretty easy to tell which joes are writing the articles these days
However , Jameis will get this season and maybe a franchise tender before that decision is made.
October 7th, 2019 at 10:32 am
Jameis and Shaq B. will take more money than the Bucs can pay…..
October 7th, 2019 at 10:32 am
Better have some things in place like a competent oline and corners. Doesnt matter if we have Eric Zeier or Tom Brady. We will ruin that next Qb like we did JW. History will repeat itself.
October 7th, 2019 at 10:35 am
knucknbuc Says
“u would have to be a moron to pay jameis 35+ million. which is exactly why im expecting jason to do it. would u pay cutler or stafford 30 mill?”
If Stafford were 25 like Jameis? Heck yes. Especially with these coaches. Stafford has had some pretty good years. He’s had high yards, high TDs and mid range INTs. The only know on him is his health this year.
On a better team, he might have been a multi-time superbowl winner.
Cutler has never been near his level.
October 7th, 2019 at 10:36 am
It’s almost like all those quarterbacks have a good defense and solid running game. Weird
October 7th, 2019 at 10:39 am
Let him walk, we need the money to sign better oline or defense
October 7th, 2019 at 10:41 am
Said the same thing after the Giant game, and it is getting more and more pronounced. The difference on the field between the hugely paid QB’s and the guys making next to nothing is hard to believe this year. We are looking at investing $100 million plus for the next 5 years on a QB that has yet to take a playoff snap. Unless you are getting a surefire playoff QB how can you justify spending so much at this position? Maybe the game is changing.
October 7th, 2019 at 10:42 am
The Rams signed Goff to a massive deal last year, and he has looked pedestrian, shrinking upon the slightest bit of pressure. Now they are locked into him and his serious cap amount. The Bucs cannot make this same mistake. We need to spend our money on the OL, DL, and secondary. Then draft multiple QBs to compete for the job. Minshew was a 6th round pick and looks better than Jameis does. There is absolutely no reason to sign a QB to a huge deal unless they are a top 10 guy, and Jameis remains a bottom 15 guy at best.
October 7th, 2019 at 10:43 am
“Bridge noodlearm playing against Jags next week
Won’t pass for over 200 yards with 2 pints
Teddy is a backup”
Son of Kobe Faker
October 7th, 2019 at 10:43 am
I’m probably being naïve, but I think Jamison isn’t expecting 30 35 million. I think he’s happy to play at the number he’s at right now if it means they can have a better team
October 7th, 2019 at 10:43 am
His last 11 games, jameis has thrown for 3600 yards , 63% of his passes, and 24tds to 9 picks. Jameis isnt going anywhere if he keeps playing like this. You know what those cheap qbs have in common? Good defenses.
October 7th, 2019 at 10:46 am
Winston was lucky to not have 3 turnovers (two saved by flags). And he was lucky to not get a 15 yard PF for slamming Jordan’s head to the turf after the play was over. He is ridiculous, and immature….still.
October 7th, 2019 at 10:46 am
I would be curious if Winston has been offered an extension at all…..even if its a low ball offer from the team. I can understand if Winston’s side is holding out but if the Bucs haven’t offered him anything, that’s a bit odd at this point. It would make me think the Glaziers are close to blowing this whole thing up if the Arians experiment fails.
October 7th, 2019 at 10:50 am
Blow it up. Please.
October 7th, 2019 at 10:52 am
Despite talk of a good 3 game run etc from Winston, the only game where he played a very good 60 minutes was the Rams. Against new York he had as good as first half as anyone, second half was a mixture of him missing a few shots and being shut down by coaches. Panthers game I never bought as being a particularly good game by him. People get excited too easily.. Although they also get doom and gloom to easily. All I can day abput Winston is he’s inconsistent like the rest of the rest of the team. Tough to open the bank unless he really shows more consistency rest of the year
October 7th, 2019 at 10:54 am
no joe. it is just a sign of how bad our starting QB is
October 7th, 2019 at 10:56 am
Jameis so far has been what he always is, up, and down. Watching you’re screaming good Jameis, baad Jameis! Good Jameis.. bad Jameis!! Draft a new QB with your first round pick. Jameis is not worth paying franchise QB money. Take that savings, and build a better roster. I’d rather have Burrow, Fromn, then Jameis, and if we suck this year we’ll pick that high. Remember the bad teams Jets, AZ, Giants have their QB’s. Miami will use their first pick on one, maybe Wash, we can get a good QB.
October 7th, 2019 at 11:00 am
Is this moniker ‘America’s QB’ a tongue in cheek or does the writer who keeps using it really mean it?
Not to say it was all JW fault for the loss but really what season did he ever qualify to be called ‘America’s QB’? That would only qualify if you won a SBowl, won MVP, won Offensive Player of the Year. He hasn’t come close to any of those.
Sneaking into the Pro Bowl because of other QB Injuries and other Disinterested QBs who didn’t care to replace the injured True Pro Bowlers does not qualify either.
Why can’t people just admit we have a streaky QB even with the QB whisperer. It takes a consistent high level play at the QB spot for most teams, especially those with an inconsistent defense like we have.
Better to take the 35 million next year on either Free Agent Pro Bowl CBs and a Draft of a QB that is not from a big school but can flat out play QB.
Some examples:
Daniel Jones (Giants)- Duke
Jimmy Garoppolo (49ers)- Eastern Illinois
Carson Wentz (eagles)- North Dakota State U.
Gardner Minshew (Jags)-Washington St.
Kyle Allen (Panthers)- Houston
None of these QBs came from Top 10 Universities or were Heisman Trophy winners. Perhaps Lamar Jackson may find long term success as a Heisman winner and perhaps Kyler Murray too, but the odds are against it.
The consistent top QBs in the League are not Heisman winners. It boils down to Elite Scouting, something the Bucs have never had. Sure we drafted Bo Jackson but we drafted mostly horrible OLinemen and he knew he would not have been the stud he became as a Raider.
Same with our scouting for Defense and our Linemen. Except for Sapp we have had so many DL busts and except for Gruber and a few others years ago our Oline drafts have been subpar.
Drafting Godwin & Mike Evans were no-brainers. Both of those WRs would make any QB in the league look like a top 10 QB. So Jason L. gets a little credit there, but not much else.
VH3 is another bust at CB. Sigh.
October 7th, 2019 at 11:00 am
Joe
One of your readers here named Hodad posted last night that if Winston doesn’t improve and the Bucs are around the 5-11 range and picking around #5 in the next draft that they would be wise to let Winston walk, draft one of the top QB’s coming out of college, and there are some future NFL stars in that group, sign them to their first round rookie deal, then take all of that 21 Million that Winston would get and use it to fill all of their holes and gaps with proven players.
If this scenario did happen then I would agree that it would be a wise move.
October 7th, 2019 at 11:09 am
“His last 11 games, jameis has thrown for 3600 yards , 63% of his passes, and 24tds to 9 picks. Jameis isnt going anywhere if he keeps playing like this.”
And unfortunately that isn’t getting the job done. Misleading and pointless stats again.
October 7th, 2019 at 11:24 am
Pete I
every stat can be cherry picked and misleading but your sole focus on jameis while ignoring the putrid oline and running backs he is surrounded by just proves your agenda is anti jameis hardly pro bucs….
BA is for more BS than coach of the year material that he was sold as… bucs have no leadership from ownership to janitors.. it will be fun watching jameis win championships elsewhere while low standard bucfan makes excuses collecting basement titles and worst in nfl history accolades. this franchise has been an embarrassment for 40 years long before jameis and will be a circus long after jameis.
October 7th, 2019 at 11:24 am
@peteI its called a team genius. The defense is allowing 29points a game during that stretch. The fact that i have to explain that to some of you is astonishing. Actually its not at this point. You just dont like jameis and its that simple. But hey lets draft a rookie because some of you genius’think some fresh face will all the sudden make this defense better. If jameis keeps playing like he is, hes getting a second contract, youll just have to deal with it.
October 7th, 2019 at 11:24 am
PREACHER, MEET CHOIR.
Some of us have been saying this OVER A YEAR.
It’s a SALARY CAP LEAGUE. Jameis Winston’s value is just no where near $30M/year. Heck, it’s probably only HALF of that amount.
Overpaying Winston on a long-term extension all but guarantees this team will not be in the playoffs for another 5+ YEARS.
It’s simple MATH.
You only have so much Cap Space to go around, and this team is already in Cap Hell *and* still has many weaknesses.
So you’re going to give your under-achieving, inconsistent QB tons of money and overpay him when the rest of the TEAM is in desperate need of many personnel upgrades??? REALLY???
Signing Winston to an expensive long-term contract is the #1 way to guarantee this team says perennial losers. 100% GUARANTEED.
IT’S THE MATH, STUPID. It doesn’t lie. It doesn’t care about your feelings. It’s absolute.
October 7th, 2019 at 11:31 am
Very reasonable take, Bonzai. You see, I knew you had it in you.
The problem is that we all know how this is going to play out. He is not going to be consistent enough to warrant that kind of contract. The best predictor of future behavior and past behavior and he is in his fifth season. I think this team has too many needs to sink $30+ million on a QB that is not consistent. You may think he’s good enough. I don’t think he is. The one thing we can agree on is that throughout his career he’s not consistent.
Also, can we please stop with this nonsense that if a team lets a QB go he’s going to thrive elsewhere? Not really you, but many others say this. Just because it happened to the Bucs decades ago doesn’t mean it’s going to happen again. There hasn’t been a QB over the past 20 years that was a loser with one team after five years, was let go, and then all of the sudden became the long term solution with another team while winning an MVP and/or a Super Bowl. Jameis has been given *every* opportunity to succeed unlike Steve Young when he was here. Heck, look at Kirk Cousins. The Redskins gave him every opportunity to succeed plus two franchise tags and they eventually let him go. He’s been the same guy with the Vikings. Alex Smith, Kirk Cousins, Joe Flacco, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Case Keenum, ect…given opportunities elsewhere only to find out they were who we thought they were. The league knows who Jameis is. He’s not going to surprise anyone if he’s let go.
October 7th, 2019 at 11:35 am
@bucs bandit the bucs have 76 million in cap space next year, they are nowhere near cap hell. Its simple math dude. And judging from around the league clowns like you said qbs like jared goff and dak prescott are better. 12 picks the last 2 games between those 2 guys and they have vastly better talent around them. But again, its better for the uneducated to lay all the blame at the feet of the qb.
October 7th, 2019 at 11:38 am
I agree BucsBandit. If you set aside the homerism from FSU fans and some of the extreme criticisms and you look at his career, the bottom line is that he’s not a game changing QB. Since he is not that guy, why pay him the kind of money as if he’s that guy. He’s not going to become that guy. If he was, we would have already seen it. His stats are irrelevant as they are not leading to wins. This team has issues that need fixing and this team needs the cap space to do it. I know the Bucs can find a guy that offers similar production (not necessarily stats) which a much lower cap hit while they solidify the rest of the roster. Jacoby Brissett doesn’t put up the same “stats” as Andrew Luck did but he is producing. The worst thing the team can do is pay a QB franchise money when he’s not a franchise guy. The Bengals did that with Dalton. Look how it has worked out for them.
October 7th, 2019 at 11:40 am
@drome brissette had literally nothing to do with that win last night. Do all of you delisional fans just ignore that the colts defense held the chiefs to 13 points? You think our defense does that? My goodness, theres dense ,and then theres posters like you who know nothing more than to hate the qb
October 7th, 2019 at 11:58 am
If its any indication what Licht’s done in the past he will sign mediocre Jw to a sizable contract. ($30 mil) Licht is very experience to signing avg. players to big bucks. No pun intended.. Ex. Hargreaves, & D. Smith. Just to name a couple. My take is if the Bucs have a losing season, trade (if possible) or release, JW, Hargreaves, D. Smith, Suh, Jensen, Dotson, Brate, David & possible Evans. If you’re going with a rookie QB might as well go with a complete rebuild. Like I said if they have a losing season.
October 7th, 2019 at 12:04 pm
you could add:
Josh Allen – Bills
Deshawn Watson – Texans
Patrick Mahomes – Chiefs
Carson Wentz – Eagles
these guys may not be at the top but they sure aren’t an ‘eye sore’ to watch… reading defenses, going through reads, throwing to their best option more often than not…
QBs are taught better from a young age now… makes for better pro QBs..
Raises hope for Bucs fans that we may get one in this next draft…
October 7th, 2019 at 12:07 pm
oh, and JOE, Florida does have one – Gardner Menchew is with the Jags.. in Jacksonville – Florida!
October 7th, 2019 at 12:08 pm
@tye josh allen? Really? Try actually watching the bills sometime and get back to us. He has 5 tds and 7 picks and a 75 qbr and you include him? You see this is why us jameis fans cant take comments like yours seriously. If jameis had those stats the bucs would be 0-4 and youd all be complaining about his play.
October 7th, 2019 at 12:09 pm
sorry! my bad… you meant the sportsbook thing… LATE night,, LoL
October 7th, 2019 at 12:28 pm
D-ROME,
Exactly. The Winston-Homers love to quote his STATS as some sort of proof that he’s been a productive QB in the league (while, of course, never putting focus on his turnovers).
In yesterday’s game, before it was 2 scores and out of reach late in the 4th quarter, Jameis Winston has 9/19 for 105 yards and an avg. yards per completion of 5.5 yards and 1 TD.
PATHETIC.
He finished with 200+ yards and 2 TDs, making it seem like he had a half-decent game and those stats will add to his career/season totals and not make him look so bad.
It’s been the story of his career. Rarely ever TAKEOVER GAMES. Rarely ever SHINE LIKE A STAR QB. Just play inconsistent and mediocre, rarely giving the team points leads to build on for the remainder of a game… instead, rack up tons of yardage and stats in garbage time exactly like he did yesterday.
Think about it… 105 yards 1 TD (for almost an entire game when it mattered most) to finishing in the box score with 200+ yards and 2 TDs. The final stat line sure looks like he played okay when he played like ABSOLUTE TRASH.
October 7th, 2019 at 12:45 pm
Sportsbook wagering? Aw hell no says the state. Let the peons bet on scratcher pieces of paper where 99% are losers and look what they are doing for the schools. BS ripoff for the slaves.
October 7th, 2019 at 1:02 pm
Brisset and Bridgewater don’t surprise me at all.
I told ya’ll Bridgewater was gonna go off against our defense and have his best game of the season (tied for best game of his career too, sadly).
Minshew and Allen on the other hand are definitely more surprising. It will be interesting to see where they’re at by the end of the season.
October 7th, 2019 at 2:28 pm
PAY THE MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On the open market he’s worth MORE than Jared Goff who is nowhere near the talent Jameis is, and Jameis has played WAY, WAY BETTER than Goff this year as well.
As for the four QBs you mentioned Joe … Minshew, Brissett, Allen and Bridgewater … ALL FOUR HAVE ***GREAT DEFENSES***
Can you imagine the Bucs holding the Mahomes led Chiefs to 13 points like the Colts just did? How about the Bucs holding the Cowboys to just 10 points like the Saints just did?
ANY QB, even some low-round draft pick with marginal talent (Minshew) can “win games” in the NFL with a great defense.
The Bucs have a TERRIBLE defense and their entire team is built to have to outscore teams and win shoot-outs, so they MUST have an elite talent at QB who can sling it like Jameis.
If the Bucs had Minshew, Bridhewater, etc., they would have lost 40-10 to the Rams ….
PAY THE MAN or another team (maybe even the Saints if Brees retires after this year!) like the Broncos, Bengals, Titans, Bears, etc., will … and the Bucs can draft some midget, far less talented QB like Jake Fromm and go out and put up 16 points and game and lose games by 25 points …
If you have a cheap, marginal talent at QB you better have a great run game and great defense … that’s just common sense.
October 7th, 2019 at 3:34 pm
ANY QB, even some low-round draft pick with marginal talent (Minshew) can “win games” in the NFL with a great defense.
The Bucs have a TERRIBLE defense and their entire team is built to have to outscore teams and win shoot-outs, so they MUST have an elite talent at QB who can sling it like Jameis.
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I never thought you agreed with bandit and Pitts, what a surprise. Who knew!
October 7th, 2019 at 4:00 pm
@July Joe
If the Bucs pass on signing Winston to a big extension, no other team is going to pay Jameis $30M/year either. If another team signs him he’ll be paid about HALF that much, which is all he’s worth. So there’s the kicker… why should the Bucs pay Winston $30M+/year if no other team will?
October 7th, 2019 at 4:03 pm
D1,
Stop making excuses for Jameis. Our Defense has nothing to do with his lack of production and scoring when Winston has the ball. I’m not talking about wins, I’m merely talking about production. Time and time again, Winston stalls the offense, doesn’t convert in the red zone, misses passes, and has also turned it over at a higher than average rate.
If we won every game 10-6 you’d think Jameis was a great QB? That’s your logic.
October 7th, 2019 at 4:31 pm
Green Bay scored 34 points to beat the cowboys.
Aaron Rodgers = 238 yards 0 TDs 0 ints 85 qbr
Jameis Winston = 204 yards 2 TDs 0 ints 104 qbr
34 points and Rodgers accounted for 0 of the points. What’s he get paid?
October 7th, 2019 at 5:15 pm
Joe
Fwiw I was thinking drafting a QBs in the 3rd round and letting him sit the bench for 2-3 years is the way to go. You know like we used to do it in the old days.
October 7th, 2019 at 5:39 pm
@DB55
Winston finished the game with 200+ yards and 2 TDs but HALF of that came late in the 4th quarter after the game was already over and the Bucs were down by 2 TDs.
C’MON MAN… that’s so dishonest trying to compare Rodgers stats to Winston’s final stats when you know damn well that Winston’s “when it mattered” game stats were AWFUL.
Jameis had 105 yards and 1 TD when the game mattered. 105 yards. Man, that’s terrible. That’s why he’s not in the same class (no where near it) as Rodgers.
October 7th, 2019 at 6:44 pm
Bandit,
How in the blue hell did you extrapolate what my logic regarding is ? I’m going to assume you are a psychic and the cards revealed my logic to you. Wooo…
Spooky.
There’s another plausible explanation , you didn’t understand the original post made by July nor my reply.
I’m going with the latter. Because if you look at it again and someone bangs your head with a pipe or something like that. ..the realization that I have pointed out a superior arguement , one that you believe in, made unwittingly by a poster who has been supportive of winston to the extreme . If you don’t get it, I may have to reevaluate my opinion about this “gift horse” you’ve been presented with.
But when someone presumes as much as you did,, instead of asking, I’m not ruling out you’re a psychic.
October 7th, 2019 at 6:56 pm
Bandit,
Did you say 10-6? 10-6 this season!
I will call winston great and take the 10-6!
Great, good, elite. ….words that are important to the sheep.
Lions don’t entertain the opinions of dinner items.
October 7th, 2019 at 10:08 pm
D1,
You just wrote like 250 words with ZERO substance. It was just some sort of garbled word salad. You made no counter-argument, provided no evidence of your position, and you just rambled like a kid with his fingers stuck in his ears so he didn’t have to hear what someone else had to say.
I understood CLEARLY what your point is to try and defend Winston’s pure play (which is easily understood with your support of July’s logic). You believe our Poor Defense is why Jameis Winston doesn’t play better. Period.
You think our losses are the primarily the Defense’s fault. And those other cheap QBs that Joe mentioned are only having success because they play on teams with great defenses.
My post addressing you, which I will again, is simply stating that my Jameis criticize is NOT just about the lack of wins. Because I DO agree that much of our failures as a team to win games is because of our Defense’s poor play, especially how badly they played against the Saints.
But with that being said… someone else played badly against the Saints… and that was one Mr. Jameis Winston. He was terrible. 105 yards total passing for the majority of the game, and we all know he was a bit lucky not to have multiple INTs.
We have to stop blaming Winston’s poor, inconsistent play on our bad Defense. That’s my primary point.
Guys you like, July, DB55, Buc1987, Cg, and many others will continue to defend Winston’s poor play at all costs.
AGAIN… my primary point is that the Defense is not even on the field when Winston has the ball in the game. And no matter how poorly they play, even early in games, it has no bearing on Winston’s performance early in games to lead us to scores and possible leads in games. You guys make so many excuses for Jameis. It’s the O-Line’s fault… it’s the Defense’s fault. It’s the Refs fault. But has he continues to throw inaccurate passes, make terrible decisions, holds the ball too long… you continue to NEVER criticize him, at least not in any deep, meaningful way.
October 7th, 2019 at 10:10 pm
With all these no name, and rookie QB’s blowing up it tells me we should never let Joe scare us about the possibility of moving on from Jameis. Sometimes you have to take that leap of faith. Joe would scare you with his mantra “who ya going to replace him with?” ..and I say if JW doesn’t continue to progress what does it matter? We’ve had 5 seasons of Jameis, and at least half of us are still on the fence.
October 7th, 2019 at 11:12 pm
Jean . Jamies has been playing good. Look at the 49ers game they are wining because of their defense not quarterback. When are yall going to understand it takes a hold team to win games. The rams game was proof of our secondary is the problem. You can’t espect for a offense to score 40 points every game. At some point the defense has to stop the other teams from scoring. No we need to build a defense than get a o line to win.
October 8th, 2019 at 8:07 am
Bandit,
You believe that the first post was my defense of winston . Wrong!
It was July joes.
My comment below was to point out that (july) is agreeing with you. Albeit He arrived at the point but took a different direction. I don’t believe He understood what a gift horse He laid at your doorstep.
Nevertheless, the financial implications of resigning winston to a top of market contract , as you argued, is unwarranted based on Winston’s 5 years of experience with the organization. July’s post confirms YOUR opinion and provides a solid rationale for doing so. Something missing in your arguement btw, and given to you by someone who never would think of a critical statement regarding winston. Irony.
Is that clear enough for you?
The other claims about, I never am never critical, avoid supporting my opinion, fingers in my ears….blah blah blah. ….
I can’t address them directly or indirectly.
The reason is that it’s not even remotely true and to defend my position would lend some miniscule of credibility to your charges. I’ve posted more than enough on the subject to repudiate such salacious and slanderous equine feces .
October 8th, 2019 at 9:20 am
D1 – more incessant, word salad rambling. No specific criticism of Winston which is what this post is about. July’s post (if you carefully read it again) was not exactly agreeing with me, at least it wasn’t his intention, he’s using our Defense as yet another excuse for Winston’s play, even so much to proven his value that he deserves big money.
ONEILBUCS – Winston hasn’t been playing good. He’s been mediocre. Stop blaming his lack of production on our Defense. They’re not on the field when he has the ball. I’m not talking about blame for wins/losses, I’m talking about Winston’s ability to DISAPPEAR for so much of a game.
October 8th, 2019 at 2:58 pm
Any QB, even one with marginal talent can win games with a great defense.
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Winston is a marginal QB who will be paid like a top QB if He resigns. His salary cap hit puts the team in a financial bind that will prevent the team from adding additional players via free agency and cost a current player or 2 each year to free agency. We can resign our developed players due to winstons cap hit. Financially speaking , Winston’s production is not on par with his new contract extension numbers.
So, as July stated so clearly. Let winston walk. Draft a rookie and add a marginal vet backup, which is an upgrade if he’s rated 22, 21, 20 league wise,
spend the money on defense and win games.
Obviously, that’s not the argument July is making, as I stated he backed into it. Obviously, He’s blaming everyone and everything for Winston’s play and you’re not an attorney.
If you believe that this is about lack of bullet points on Winston’s play,
explain the reason because it cant be because I’m defending him. Nor disagreeing with you. F@#k it .you’re retarded.
October 8th, 2019 at 2:59 pm
Can’t resign
October 8th, 2019 at 7:26 pm
D1 – my apologies for getting into it with you, I think we have more in common in our analysis that we realize.
With that being said, July Joe’s comments weren’t intended to be interpreted the way you have. He’s a massive Jameis-homer at all costs and you’ve just clarified that. Sorry that I misunderstood what you were trying to say about his comments, my knee-jerk reaction what that you were supportive of his comments (that Winston should be resigned and it was all our Defense’s fault.)