More Joe Flacco Chatter
December 17th, 2018
Saving the Bucs?
This is starting to look desperate if not lazy.
Yes, America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston has hit a bump in the road. He’s winless on the road for over two years (last win away from the Den of Depression was Dec. 4, 2016 at San Diego) and now suddenly the past month, for reasons unknown, Jameis has gone cold as ice in the second half of games.
(Joe is convinced he’s been neutered because he doesn’t want to lose his starting job to the sacred turnover.)
This, seemingly, has fueled more speculation that the Bucs quarterback for 2019 is a guy who watched the Crows beat the Bucs yesterday in-person sitting on his arse. That would be Super Bowl-winning quarterback Joe Flacco.
The veteran Crows signal-caller appears to have come to the end of the line in Baltimore now that he has been benched for a guy who is a better runner than passer in a passing league, Lamar Jackson.
So L.L. Bean-wearing, Second Amendment abolitionist, Mike Florio-arguing, parrot-insensitive, chewing-with-his-mouth-open, soup-gulping, California train-romancing, anti-football proliferation, outhouse-admiring, airline-napping, steerage-flying, Yogi Berra-worshiping, urinal picture-taking, video game-playing, Taylor Swift-listening, pickpocket-thwarting, Bucs-uniform-frowning, Allie-LaForce-smitten, Big-Ten-Network-hating, pedestrian-bumping, olive oil-lapping, popcorn-munching, coffee-slurping, fried-chicken-eating, oatmeal-loving, circle-jerking, craft beer-chugging, cricket-watching, scone-loathing, college football-naïve, baseball-box-score-reading, NPR-honk, filthy-hotel-staying, fight-instigating, barista-training social activist Peter King, star of NBC Sports fame, decided to do some math and suggested Flacco is coming to Tampa Bay if Team Glazer makes the preposterous decision to move on from Jameis.
Landing sports for Flacco? Look to Florida. Miami, Jacksonville, Tampa Bay and the Giants all should have interest—particularly if the Bucs let Jameis Winston walk.
So let Joe get this straight: Team Glazer has how many millions invested in Jameis and they wouldn’t even want to try a new offensive coach, perhaps an up-and-comer of a whiz kid offensive guru, to work with Jameis and take him to the next step? That just seems asinine to Joe in so many ways.
Jameis really isn’t broken. Bucs Bit-O-Honey-snacking, Ozark-watching, yams-eating coach Dirk Koetter went out of his way to praise Jameis for playing so well in the first half yesterday. What has been strangling Jameis in the second half of games the past month is mysterious but good grief, it’s not like the guy has turned into Tim Tebow!
Joe just thinks it is outrageous if not irresponsible if the Bucs give up on Jameis because for some weird reason he has gone into a shell only in specific parts of the game.
And Joe Flacco is the answer??? He’s being replaced by a glorified wishbone quarterback!
But hey, you folks who can’t wait for Jameis to pack up his belongings and leave, this is what you are staring in the face at for your Bucs quarterback next year: Either a washed-up, has-been, hand-the-ball-off artist like Joe Flacco or some never-been like Bryce Petty.
As always, be careful what you wish for. You just might get it.
December 17th, 2018 at 10:02 am
bring him. any QB with a brain will do!
December 17th, 2018 at 10:03 am
Ridiculous! Flacco is one of the few (and I do mean few) QBs that are worse than Jay-Miss. The game has passed Flacco by. He’s not mobile enough and he’s not accurate enough. You can be limited by one of those factors but not both.
December 17th, 2018 at 10:08 am
Bring him on! Can’t have enough Super Bowl MVPs on your roster. Besides, at this point JayMiss is no more than a glorified backup.
December 17th, 2018 at 10:08 am
the best thing that could happen to jameis winston is for the bucs to let him walk… getting a free pass from the black hole that is tampa bay buccaneer football is like winning the lottery
December 17th, 2018 at 10:11 am
he doesn’t seem like the right fit as the starter to make a push towards a superbowl…stopgap yes…then super back up yes…so maybe he will stabilize things at qb for a minute…i could see him as a 2 year starter and 3 years as the quality back up…
the thing is, he can be another brad johnson as well…you could have penciled flacco in on the 2002 team and gotten pretty much the same results…so i guess he could be a super game manager if surrounded by a well rounded team…not really the case tho currently in bucsland
December 17th, 2018 at 10:12 am
Sure. Let’s go sign Bart Starr and Lenny Dawson too.
December 17th, 2018 at 10:14 am
If he had an ounce of Tim Tebow’s character, maybe he would have played in the first 4 games
December 17th, 2018 at 10:15 am
Hard no on Joe Flacco
December 17th, 2018 at 10:15 am
Wishbone quarterback out played Americas mistake yesterday.
December 17th, 2018 at 10:15 am
Bring in Flacco let jameis walk if you bring in Saban, Fangio, or Schwartz and they will want a ball control offense predicated on running the ball and laying defense which is what the bucs used to build a winner here. If you go with bienemy or some other young offensive minded coach then maybe keep jameis and see if its fault he cannot be consistent throwing the ball and making poor decisions which has been the same since FSU or if it is koetter and all the wide open WRs that have been running down the field
December 17th, 2018 at 10:16 am
“Bump in the road”? Jameis is an average QB with serious accuracy problems and the ability to make the occasional amazing throw. But not nearly as good as a #1 overall draft choice should be. Of course, this hasn’t stopped Matthew Stafford from bilking the Lions out of > $100m.
December 17th, 2018 at 10:17 am
I think Flacco is the same as Winston — up and down and inconsistent
It seems there is enough information to know that he’s not good anymore
Let’s try fresh and take our lumps in the draft
Of course, if Flacco were to come in as a backup, that could be an upgrade for sure
December 17th, 2018 at 10:17 am
“Hit a bump in the road”… 8-16 in his last 24 starts with more turn overs than td
passes. Yes, a slight bump. But why would we want Flacco??? Pretty similar to jameis in that if you give him a perfect situation ( good line, good weapons, good run game, good D)then he can win. Neither can overcome a deficiancy anywhere.
December 17th, 2018 at 10:24 am
I honestly want to see what our own third string QBs can do. It is evaluate time. He needs live action.
December 17th, 2018 at 10:26 am
A word keeps popping up in my mind this morning. AVERAGE.
Average as in the average pay for NFL QB’s…20 million.
Average as in career….JW…Flacco does at least have a SB and a successful playoff run. JW has yet to see the playoffs.
So for me getting Flacco is like quitting on one average QB to replace him with an older “average” QB.
We do not need a star QB to make the SB…See Flacco..Dilfer..etc…but he has to at least be an average NFL QB.
I think JW fits that bill. I no longer expect him to carry us to the promised land…but I do not think he’ll keep us from winning either if we fix the other major needs on this team. An “average” NFL QB will do the trick. 20 million is average…JW is average…seems like next year is pretty much a done deal. Neither partner has a more promising opportunity. Sometimes ya just gotta settle.
December 17th, 2018 at 10:26 am
What’s going on in Philly, can they keep Nick Foles and Carson Wentz? Would like to keep JW and see what a new coach can do with him but bringing in one of them would a nice backup plan if at all possible.
Ya I’m dreaming sorry..
December 17th, 2018 at 10:28 am
” be careful what you wish for. You just might get it.” Well we have been wishing for a winning and competitive team to. But look what that has gotten us. Why not pull out all the stops? Coaches and all?
December 17th, 2018 at 10:29 am
Usually, Joe would suggest that is what the AAF is for, but right now the Bucs need losses more than wins so why not?
December 17th, 2018 at 10:29 am
@Tackleblockwin I agree with you Griffin has been here way to long! Give the kid a chance let’s see him in a real game we have nothing to lose at this point?
December 17th, 2018 at 10:30 am
I don’t even care anymore anyways. What I do know is that if team Glazer is picking a new coach and GM, it won’t matter much who is on the team or starting at QB. They have a proven track record of failure when it comes to hiring the right people to turn this sinking pirate ship back to Port for repairs.
Let us know if you hear anything about a President of Football Operations who does know how to evaluate a great Coaching staff and GM. Until then it is just going to be more of the same and this Football fan will be ready to flirt with thenew XFL team. I miss our Bucs being relevant again but I won’t be abused as a fan much longer.
December 17th, 2018 at 10:34 am
JOE! WTF? Seriously, you read Peter King and think Tampa is the landing spot for Flacco? LOL. Man. Your egos are getting the better of you.
The SACRED turnover is exactly what it is. You can’t throw the ball away to another team three times a game! You CAN’T. Why are you not seeing this? Are you guys nuts? Jameis isn’t broken? WHAT?
You know why Jameis could throw the ‘Noles on his back and win games after throwing the ball away? Because he was playing this years UPS drivers and Best Buy employees. That’s why. When the Dude isn’t throwing stupid passes he isn’t beating anyone. He waits for guys to stop, he doesn’t throw dudes open and he can’t throw the ball away when the play doesn’t materialize.
Give the guy another chance? Why not? We are not doing better with our current scouting and free agency choices. And hell, if he had a running game and we didn’t have to rely on a qb to win…that would be a compliment to him. But your Sacred Cow…America’s Turnover Machine…is going to be more of the same no matter who is calling the HC and DC shots. He’s 1 part amazing, 3 parts mediocre and 2 parts assassin of his own team. You can’t give the ball to the other team on your side of the 50, unless you play the Bucs, then it’s pretty much ok to turn it over cuz they aren’t going to be able to score from the 14 anyway.
December 17th, 2018 at 10:35 am
OC not DC
December 17th, 2018 at 10:39 am
if flacco was smart he’d choose jacksonville….
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!…#PRESSURESONTHECOACHES!!!…GO BUCS!!!
December 17th, 2018 at 10:40 am
silly.
Stick with Jameis.
Young QB’s go through growing pains but he has a tremendous skill set. Look at Goff. Suddenly throwing tons of picks.
December 17th, 2018 at 10:41 am
Flacco won a Super Bowl with 2-3 Hall of Fame players on defense, throwing checkdowns to Ray Rice. If you think he would be successful here, you haven’t been paying attention. -Bucs fan from MD
December 17th, 2018 at 10:42 am
I didn’t even like Flacco when he was good. And I sure don’t want to go back to the days of Gruden and collecting other teams’ QB leftovers.
December 17th, 2018 at 10:43 am
Never wrote that.
That’s BS. See quarterbacks throw picks every week. Ben Roethlisberger, Jared Goff and Andrew Luck have as many if not more picks than Jameis. Goff has seven picks in his last two games. You don’t see Sean McVay panicking and benching him do you?
Cam Newton, Pat Mahomes and Baker Mayfield also have double-digit picks. Do you see Ron Rivera, Andy Reid or Gregg Williams benching those guys? Do you see the fanbases of those teams screaming for a new quarterback?
Only weak coaches blame turnovers for winning/losing. Good coaches and good teams overcome.
December 17th, 2018 at 10:45 am
Bring him in and draft a QB. not in the 1st rd, do your scouting, draft 2 QB’s if you have too. Move on from Jameis and Dirk. the stench is getting bad.
December 17th, 2018 at 10:47 am
Bingo. Is Sean McVay planning on starting Sean Mannion? Of course not.
December 17th, 2018 at 10:52 am
Debating which of these QB’s you’d rather have is like debating if you’d rather buy a Ford Edsel or a Yugo. They’re both sht.
December 17th, 2018 at 10:56 am
Agree…. Bring in a QB to develop (one without all the baggage)….Let Fritz and or Flacco train him…. Buc’s must move on from Winston…. It’s not personal, Joe , its simply obvious that Winston (America’s QB as Joe calls him) simply is not the right fit in Tampa… Maybe with a new start he’ll have success (but I personally doubt it) and certainly Tampa needs to move away from him… Might do Jamis some good to find out that “HE IS REPLACEABLE” ….
December 17th, 2018 at 10:58 am
Damn this site has some of the dumbest football fans. I love the site and wish I would hurry and get out of the habit of reading the idiotic posts. Fantasy football has ruined all common sense and logic. You get rid of Winston for a drafted rookie quarterback not some old over the hill below average guy who got benched for a rookie who can’t throw. If both Winston and Flacco were free agents everyone would be after Winston first. Aaron Rodgers can’t win without a complete roster, his head coach got fired for it also, so Winston should be able to do what Aaron Rodgers can’t? Cam is better, Matt Ryan is better and more accurate hmm get rid of them since they have losing records…. so stupid
December 17th, 2018 at 11:00 am
The team still has a chance to finish with a better record than last year. Granted, there were no playoffs this season. But perhaps the improvement would be enough to keep the coaches and GM the same for next season. We can only hope that Team Glazer makes the correct call. Our future depends on it.
December 17th, 2018 at 11:01 am
The only thing worse than for a team looking for a “Franchise QB” is thinking that your team has one when they don’t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 17th, 2018 at 11:15 am
Flacco would get killed behind this line.
There is no one available that has even an ounce of the talent JW has. Give him protection, a new voice in his ear, and an offensive scheme from the modern NFL and he will have as good an opportunity for success as anyone in the league.
December 17th, 2018 at 11:16 am
OMG JOE
Only weak coaches blame turnovers for winning/losing. Good coaches and good teams overcome.
Where is that statement coming from??? Usually, you are all about the excuses especially with cancer93
December 17th, 2018 at 11:19 am
Harbaugh gets fired bucs bring him in … bucs trade for Flacco … makes sense to me
December 17th, 2018 at 11:26 am
We should not trade any players and definitely no draft picks for a coach, did we not learn a lesson with Gruden? Yes we won a Super Bowl, but it set our franchise back another…..well we still haven’t recovered so that is still to be determined.
December 17th, 2018 at 11:27 am
Well, IF they cut Winston, Joe Flacco is about the only QB mentioned that isn’t completely useless.
So far.
Not going to happen though.
I do think Flacco is better than he gets credit for. A new team might be the spark he needs.
December 17th, 2018 at 11:34 am
I love all these idiot people calling for coaches that just got fired to be our new head coach. Morons-they got fired for a reason. A monkey learning sign language would be better than Koetter, so relax we have a little time to figure this out. The mere fact Cotter still hasn’t been fired is a direct F-U to the true Buc fans that remain. If you are going to fire him, do it today, Packers didn’t wait and that guy was royalty in Green Bay at one time. Koetter hasn’t earned any of that here. Let Monken sharpen his resume, unless the Glazers believe that there is a chance Monken will rally these guys instead of losing the next 2 which Koetter is assured to do. I think I heard as it stands, we pick 5th.
December 17th, 2018 at 11:44 am
Off the field man. You never factor in the embarrassment on the organization over the last 4 years. The dumb ass owners didn’t realize the hit or stain on the organization at the time either. They thought 65K was going to pack the seats because you draft a QB, nope, not any QB. Hopefully the Joes will have learned a lesson by now.
December 17th, 2018 at 11:45 am
Peter King is so out of touch with the TB QB situation. If he read Joebucsfan.com he’d understand how foolish of a suggestion his is. The new head coach must work with Jameis. Simple as that. JW shining is the ONLY path to a quick turnaround.
December 17th, 2018 at 11:54 am
Baltimore no longer wants Flacco. That should say about everything.
December 17th, 2018 at 11:59 am
Plan was to play Winston the final four games, then decide. Let’s not muddy the water by putting our 3rd string QB in (unless you’re afraid Winston will continue to lose games).
December 17th, 2018 at 12:11 pm
Id rather have flacco then Winston. And draft Grier
December 17th, 2018 at 12:13 pm
The way that Winston is playing now at this moment, I would much rather have Flacco
December 17th, 2018 at 12:24 pm
“look at Goff”… lol, 27 tds and a whopping 13 picks. Oh no, he might not be 1st team pro bowler anymore.
December 17th, 2018 at 12:51 pm
Flacco has never had weapons close to this and Tebow won games
December 17th, 2018 at 12:56 pm
Not only no but HELL no
December 17th, 2018 at 1:02 pm
God no keep sorry @$s Flacco away!
December 17th, 2018 at 1:17 pm
” the sacred turnover”
New and updated!
After 14 games, both of the Bucs QBs have started and played approximately 7 games apiece. So, the updated totals are:
Fitz: 164 of 246 = 66.7% JW3: 188 of 295 = 63.7%
Fitz: 2366 yards JW3: 2311 yards
Fitz: QB rating = 100.4 (10th in league) JW3: QB rating = 85.3
Fitz: 17 TDs (6.9% of passes) JW3: 14 TDs (4.72% of passes)
Fitz: 12 INTs (4.9% of passes) JW3: 13 INTs (4.4% of passes)
Note that neither one has a TD/INT ratio of at least 2:1.
Note: I am pretty sure they have played with the same offense, the same running backs, the same receivers, the same defense and the same coaches.
It seems at BEST: Jameis Winston = Ryan Fitzpatrick
The Bucs QBs have combined for 4677 yards passing (MOST in NFL), and 31 TD passes (tied for 3rd in NFL). But………………………..
JW3 has 13 INTs (tied for 4th in the NFL)
Fitz has 12 INTs (tied for 7th in the NFL)
So, together they have 25 INTs, which is TEN more than anyone else in the NFL.
The Bucs’ turnover percentage is 19.8%! That means that 1 of every 5 drives ends in a turnover. That is also the worst in the NFL. The bottom five also includes Jax, SF, Ariz, and Buff. All five teams with 5 or fewer wins.
tickrdr
December 17th, 2018 at 2:03 pm
Flacco?
Ugh
December 17th, 2018 at 2:06 pm
Glazers do have millions invested invested in Jameis. That’s why it’s only idiots that think he will not be here next year.
December 17th, 2018 at 2:11 pm
Gotta give this kid another chance. He’s 24 and came into the league at 19 and only been coached and ran by an entire organization that fans want sliced and diced and put on a meat hook.
December 17th, 2018 at 2:26 pm
This guy sucks
December 17th, 2018 at 2:43 pm
Sounds almost as ridiculous as wanting to franchise tag Donovan Smith
December 17th, 2018 at 2:46 pm
Koetter’s philosophy is to call high risk throws on long developing plays behind a weak offensive line and demand zero turnovers. Of course the Bucs generate a ton of yards. Of course the Bucs generate a ton of turnovers.
December 17th, 2018 at 2:58 pm
How and why are JW’s problems at QB the feet the coach? That is the worst, if not cheapest, high school QB’s dad, analysis I have ever heard in my life. That type of commentary at this juncture is second-rate, bush league journalism. How many balls has DK thrown in JW’s career? How many times has DK fumbled? tell me about all the coaching JW got when he was suspended. If anything DK problems have been all JW’s doing. On just can’t turn the ball over 57 times over the course of 57 games, not including 35 plus fumbles. Coaches fault, right. When a team plays well its the players who get the praise. When the players play bad, the coaches get the blame.
December 17th, 2018 at 3:09 pm
Does this fanbase and it’s local media types have the intestinal fortitude to wait for Jameis to learn a whole new system? He’s had Koetter for 4 years and he’s actually no better today than when he started, (prolly even regressed) but somehow, miraculously, he’s gonna be a superstar with the change of a new playbook? He’s got rocks for brains.
December 17th, 2018 at 4:06 pm
^^Goff did it^^
December 17th, 2018 at 4:18 pm
Mike Florio is an idiot.
December 17th, 2018 at 4:58 pm
Hear it here first, Jameis will be dumped and Bucs will pick up Nick Foles until they can pick up a QB in the draft following this next one. Flacco is retiring.
December 17th, 2018 at 5:26 pm
Flacco is not the answer and Winston is not the answer. It’s as simple as that.
December 17th, 2018 at 7:37 pm
Foles is an upgrade over Winston. Get a power back and a speed back with a few over achieving run blockers for the new coaching staff and you have a possibility of improving over the Pathetic garbage we’ve been watching past few weeks.
Replacing Winston makes sense there needs to be a change of direction in the coaching staff and Winston McCoy and many of the other holdovers from the past you were regime I’ve done nothing but lose.
I I think the logic that quarterbacks leave this team and go on to star elsewhere is not factual. Vinny Trent friedman and Sean King
December 17th, 2018 at 7:39 pm
Hardly did anything after leaving the box only Steve Young really made a career for himself after leaving
December 17th, 2018 at 7:40 pm
Voice recognition sure has long way to go when it comes to spelling
December 17th, 2018 at 8:14 pm
This fan base is lost…. SMH you people don’t live in the real world….
December 17th, 2018 at 9:38 pm
Flacco would be dead with 76 protecting his blind side and the Benonoch, on his right. Oh you are assuming we are gonna fix that in the off-season. To the true fans that know football- we know this was our biggest need after Licht signed 4 d-lineman in FA prior to the draft. We went for a project guy in the 3rd- McGlinchy, konnor Williams, Will Hernandez, all available. Not bagging on Vea but he was now not a pressing need- if no o line- we all know who we should have picked. Again Flacco won’t survive the season behind this line.
December 17th, 2018 at 9:39 pm
^^and neither will Foles^^
December 17th, 2018 at 10:44 pm
LOL!
December 18th, 2018 at 12:02 am
Without a steady 2 headed running attack and a competent OL, it doesn’t matter who the QB is.
Flacco will suck just as much as Winston. It’ll be groundhog day all over.
December 18th, 2018 at 7:19 am
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