Bad Year For Trading Down In Round 1
March 16th, 2018
Personnel gurus weigh in
Joe expected to be writing about free agency happenings right here but, well, the Bucs aren’t interested in shopping for the best NFL players.
Siege The Draft!
About that 2018 draft, it is not loaded with elite talent, according to sage personnel men Pat Kirwan, Gil Brandt and Phil Savage. They’ve been high-ranking NFL front office gurus, and they still study college players for a living. Listeners to SiriusXM NFL Radio know their esteemed resumes well.
Brandt has said recently only about 15 or 16 college players are worthy of a first-round grade this year. Savage is in the 22-player range, and Kirwan agrees that the draft is light on premium talent.
That could be a reason so many B+ NFL players in free agency got serious money on the market this week. But more important, it means it’s not an ideal year to be trading far down in the first round, such as with the Bills, owners of the 12th and 23rd overall picks.
It’s something to consider as the Bucs move forward and get inquiries from quarterback-needy teams.
Joe, of course, would be happy to see the Bucs trade up to score defensive end Bradley Chubb. They might not have to go far, and that would go a long way toward having this depressing free agency season make a little sense.
March 16th, 2018 at 1:04 pm
Even Bradley Chubb isn’t worth trading up for
March 16th, 2018 at 1:04 pm
But looks like we have to
March 16th, 2018 at 1:06 pm
After the childish moderation routine runs course…this Bucs fanhas been saying that all along. When Saquon resides in Hillsborough County, you all will no where you heard it.
Go Bucs!
March 16th, 2018 at 1:10 pm
Only Barkley is worth trading up for
March 16th, 2018 at 1:11 pm
The team should really trade down and get as many 2019 picks as possible as a courtesy to the next front office and coaching staff.
March 16th, 2018 at 1:11 pm
Just sit tight with the picks the Bucs have and they’ll be assured of landing a possible elite guard, pass rusher, safety or maybe even a RB. There is no point in giving up picks to move up, especially with the team being so quiet in free agency.
March 16th, 2018 at 1:12 pm
I wouldnt be surprised if chubb is there at 7. Alot can happen, and will, before the draft. I definitely wouldnt be surprised if licht trades up. Thats what he does. I bet he gives away that 3rd rounder he could have gotten quinn for. Ive been against trading up, until now. Thought for sure licht would have traded for or signed 2 pass rushing DEs by now. Instead its 2 run stuffers. Now he has to find an impact DE during the draft. Way to put yourself in a corner bozo. Chubb is the only one i see being that right away. Although i do think Tremaine Edmunds at 6’5″ 250 could end up being the best pass rusher in this draft. The bucs are in no position to take a guy like that. One who played LB that could transition to DE and dominate eventually. Its this year or bust for these numbnut coaches and gm.
March 16th, 2018 at 1:12 pm
Yet, our Bucs are going to wait for this weak draft class to get better, since we passed on all of this NFL talent during “UN”-free agency.
If Chubb, Saquan or Nelson are not there when we draft and they can’t trade down, which is highly likely then, I would seriously consider drafting a quarterback and hold him hostage for a great offer and/or groom him in the event that J-miss is not there for us.
March 16th, 2018 at 1:14 pm
“About that 2018 draft, it is not loaded with elite talent, according to sage personnel men”
Those same guys will be talking about how great a class it is in a month. Total bull.
Here’s the truth: the talent in every draft is questionable.
Drafts assumed to be low in talent turned out the best Hall of Famers in history. These guys are sellouts, trying to make up explanations to please their producers, because they cannot say “To many teams are taking big risks in free agency”.
Most of the signings historically do not pay off. For ever 2 good ones each year, we don’t hear about the ten flops.
It may not be popular, but Licht is handling this perfectly.
March 16th, 2018 at 1:14 pm
I said this back in February ,
This draft is loaded with prospects, guys with potential
There’s only a few players who can come in and contribute right away
March 16th, 2018 at 1:19 pm
The draft is important
But having the right system, right coaches to develop the players are more important. It seems the Bucs are lacking in both areas.
March 16th, 2018 at 1:22 pm
Trade JAboob to ny
March 16th, 2018 at 1:26 pm
If you have the right staff in place, you should be able to develop most of your draft picks.
March 16th, 2018 at 1:27 pm
It’s a draft thread just a matter of time before a kicker joke arrives
March 16th, 2018 at 1:27 pm
NFL is heading for the toilet because of bad quality players. It’s only going to get worse. Soon, it will be XFL vs. NFL and gimmicks will be the only reason to watch. NFL days as the top sport in America are numbered.
March 16th, 2018 at 1:28 pm
Says talent is 15-16 or 22 players deep..
So that means we shouldn’t trade back at all (?)… even though most our trade back scenarios would still net us a top 16 pick…which is right within the range of the elite prospects
Not adding up..
Either way dream scenario is 4 QBs going in the top 6 so we land either Chubb/Nelson/Barkley
March 16th, 2018 at 1:29 pm
I almost hope for a failure this year so Licht gets canned. I’m growing really tired of seeing that stupid look on his face.
March 16th, 2018 at 1:31 pm
Ian Rappaport is reporting that the Colts are trying to get OG Justin Pugh in for a visit.. maybe they think Jensens going to sign with us? Jensen can play guard and that’s probably what the Colts want him for.
March 16th, 2018 at 1:33 pm
Lucky for us the draft isn’t an exact science. Top prospects fail just as often as they succeed, and undrafted players can flourish.
One anecdotal example of this can be found in the 2006 NFL draft.
Mario Williams was selected number 1 over all, after all he was a picture perfect prototype pass rusher, measuring in at 6’6 290. He had a tremendous career, played in 158 games and compiled 97.5 sacks 317 tackles and 16 Forced fumbles.
And on the other hand, you have a pass rusher who came to the 2006 combine at 5’11 257 and went on to be drafted in the 4th round. His name, Elvis Dumervil. A 2 time all pro who went on to play in 162 games and has generated 105.5 sacks 264 tackles and 23 Forced fumbles.
TL:DR Impact players come in all shapes and sizes regardless of their projected draft value or where they are drafted.
That said, boy I sure hope and pray that we have a shot at Bradley Chubb or Quenton Nelson at 7. #TrenchWarfare
March 16th, 2018 at 1:35 pm
well if it is a bad year to trade down, we are destined to do it.
March 16th, 2018 at 1:35 pm
“Joe, of course, would be happy to see the Bucs trade up to score defensive end Bradley Chubb”
SMH
1st & 3rd rd picks to get to #5
1st, 3rd and 4th rd picks to get to #4
1st, 2nd and 3rd rd picks to get to #3
No thanks. Trading up to the very top of the 1st rd is rarely a good idea. Especially when you have the # of “holes to fill” that the Bucs do. The expense/investment to grab one good player (a prospect no less) is just too much.
Bucs will get a good player at #7. If Chubb, Nelson and Barkley are off the board and there are no decent trade down offers – either Derwin James or Denzel Ward would help this defense improve without question.
March 16th, 2018 at 1:39 pm
We could trade down and grab Davenport to help our pass rush. Have to be careful though to not trade down too far and someone scoops him up. He’s the 2nd best pass rusher in the draft, he’ll go top 16 for sure.
March 16th, 2018 at 1:40 pm
Pickgrin, preach. No way on Earth should Licht trade up from 7. Draft capital is too valuable.
March 16th, 2018 at 1:49 pm
Joe wants the Bucs to trade up literally every year it seems. If we took that advice we would have like 1 4th round pick in this draft from all the past trade ups; and probably wouldnt have guys like Godwin/J Evans/Beckwith/Kwon/Marpet/etc who we used 2-4 round picks on which is what we’d be giving up.
Think for every trade up you potentially give up 2-3 of those types of guys.
No thank you man.
March 16th, 2018 at 1:51 pm
Unless Chubb or Barkley is available at 7 trading our 7th overall pick for a 14th-16th pick and third (maybe even second) rounder could be ideal. Quenton Nelson would be a good pick at 7 too, though I still think we should pickup a center and let Ali dominate at guard again.
Pretty sure someone like Marcus Davenport or a top tier DB (for this draft) will still be on the board. Fitzpatrick looks good but don’t think we should draft another AL safety at 7.
March 16th, 2018 at 1:53 pm
If they would fix at least one of these holes in free agency then we could consider Barkley. I just think as bad as our defense is right now it would be basically irresponsible to not go defense with the first pick.
March 16th, 2018 at 1:58 pm
If Chubb/Barkley is there at 7, take him. If not then I’d seriously look for a trade down (most likely with Buffalo), hopefully pick up either some high draft picks in this draft or a first in next year’s draft, and take Marcus Davenport in the first.
March 16th, 2018 at 2:04 pm
Chubb isn’t a generational talent, he’s just the best in a bad class – that’s not the type of guy you move up to get when you have so many needs and when the cost will be extremely high. Sit at 7 and see what’s on the board and what’s available as a trade down, if anything, and if it’s worth trading down.
From what I’ve read thus far my early thoughts are:
Davenport – special physical tools, but won’t give you much next year, but long term could be special
G, ND – every single guard drafted in the top 10 since 2000 has been a bust with the team that drafted them. Every one.
Ward – general rule of thumb is don’t draft a corner in the top 10 unless they’re elite at something, and Ward checks that box with elite speed. This would currently be my pick.
Those are the three I think the Bucs will have to choose from.
March 16th, 2018 at 2:04 pm
Trade first to jax for first + Fowler or Yannick
March 16th, 2018 at 2:12 pm
Trade Allen, Unrein and Catanzaro for Tom Coughlin…obviously not gonna happen but, we need someone like Coughlin in our front office to be a guru to this staff or the nexr and move forward. 2019 here we come because 2018 is in hibernation!
March 16th, 2018 at 2:21 pm
Titans released Karl Klug, perfect for Tampa. He’s a DL, he’s white, he had 1.5 sacks, he’s mediocre, he’ll be cheap, he’s perfect.
March 16th, 2018 at 2:23 pm
How about this – as the “Sweet 16” anniversary of winning the SB the Bucs sign Simeon Rice and Ronde Barber! BAM! Two holes fixed and marketing gets a huge boost as well. Also, wait for it, Sapp gets his own TV series on coming back and it’s all super dramatic but yes in the end he too decides to return and the Bucs go from the 32nd defense into the top 5. What a story!
This is obviously Lichts plan, he’s just waiting on the people in TV to get their act together before announcing it.
OMG I’m so excited for this now!
March 16th, 2018 at 2:27 pm
forget those personnel experts… every year it’s plenty of superstars that none of these “experts” were talking about while the can’t miss prospects they touted flame out
March 16th, 2018 at 2:33 pm
Rod Munch Says:
March 16th, 2018 at 2:04 pm
“…G, ND – every single guard drafted in the top 10 since 2000 has been a bust with the team that drafted them. Every one.”
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Ok there Mr. Munch. After reading this nugget you proposed, I took it upon myself to research it’s validity.
And upon doing so found out that since 2000, a grand total of 2 guards have been selected in the top 10 since 2000. Leonard Davis in 2001 selected number 2 overall by the cardinals. And Jonathan Cooper in 2013 drafted 7th overall yet again by the cardinals.
Leonard Davis btw, according to SBnation, was pigeon holed into played tackle, despite performing very well at guard, simply because “he was payed to much to play Guard.” And upon being released by the Cards, he joined Dallas into 2007 to play not tackle, but guard, where he thrived. Earning an All-pro honors and Selection in 2007, and trips to the probowl in 2007, 2008, and 2009.
Where as Jonathan Cooper broke his left tibia in a 2013 preseason game and went on to struggle with injuries for the rest of his career.
So now, what have we learned here? Despite 2 selections in 18 years being an incredibly small sample size, you were still pretty much full of crap.
Carry on.
March 16th, 2018 at 2:35 pm
Man…I’m glad we won that last game…nothing like low first round talent at #7 prices. Just another log on the fire of the Buc organization inferno.
March 16th, 2018 at 2:39 pm
Despite the few grammatical and editing oversights, I’m still right.
Quenton Nelson is a stud through and through. And we would be lucky to get him.
If we manage to sign Jensen at center. This would be a pretty killer 3 round haul for us.
Round 1 – Quenton Nelson G Notre Dame
Round 2 – Ogbonnia Okoronkwo Edge Oklahoma
Round 3 – Rashaad Penny RB San Diego St
March 16th, 2018 at 2:41 pm
Are you the same guys on this board touting that “big win” the last game of the year? Maybe you can finally see the difference between the number 5 and number 7 pick in this draft….a superior player vs. a crap shoot. And then you show the ignorance of talking about trading up to get Chubb? So you are saying that game was worth all the rest of the draft this year, or maybe a first next year, too? And you wonder why people in other locals have such disrespect for the average Buc fan.
Seems the only one that really lost in the entire scheme of things in that last game was the Bucs. Nice job guys…the way of things for perennial bottom feeding losers. Oh yeah..it was a “moral victory”… if there really is such a thing in such a case.
March 16th, 2018 at 2:41 pm
I do not agree that this is a bad year to trade down. I mean, look at the way teams have overpaid for players in Free Agency. There are always going to be teams that will pay too much to get a specific player.
In 2017, picks 2,3 and 5 were traded.
In 2016, picks 1, 2, 8, and 10 were traded (ours was one of them).
In 2015, we saw an oddity…no trades in the top ten picks.
In 2014, picks 2, 4, 8 and 9 were traded.
In 2013, picks 2 and 8 were traded.
That’s just the last 5 years.
One thing I will never understand are these teams that trade up one spot. To me, this is pure panic. They are basically assuming the team one step ahead of them wants the same player, but if that were true, that team would not be willing to move.
Over the last couple years, unexpected players fell to us. Who would have thought OJ Howard would have dropped all the way to 19? Before the draft, many would have assumed that was impossible.
Just further proof that draft rankings are always wrong. What we view as unlikely to be there when we pick can often be wrong, and what we view as a reach can also be wrong.
Ali Marpet for example. When the Bucs traded up to get him, people assumed they were reaching.
Which is why I have always said…I don’t care where a player is ranked. If you know he is a great player who will not be there when you pick next, you take him…no matter if he is ranked to go 12 picks later. The idea is to get great players. If he is great? Get him.
March 16th, 2018 at 2:43 pm
mark2001 Says
“Are you the same guys on this board touting that “big win” the last game of the year? Maybe you can finally see the difference between the number 5 and number 7 pick in this draft…”
It really does not matter.
Last year, we picked at 19. We still ended up with a player who might turn into an elite TE.
So some people want specific players. Well…those players could end up being busts…either because they end up sucking or are injury prone.
We get what we get, where we get it. And Licht tends to choose well.
March 16th, 2018 at 2:50 pm
4 QB’s will go in the top 6 this year. If we stay put we will get one of these….Barkley, Chubb or Nelson! All “elite” prospects. That’s not bad! Or there might be another team looking to move up to our #7 for a 5th QB, and we could get a couple extra picks to target some specific “non-elite”(but still good) players. Just have to see how it all shakes out!
March 16th, 2018 at 2:52 pm
At this point, it is clear the FO has no desire to do more than repeat what they did this past season. If this was “The Plan” then the Glazers should have fired Licht and Koetter and moved on. Either that or they need to confess that they have no clue about building a great football organization and should hire football people to run the show. This is a pathetic way to run a football operation.
March 16th, 2018 at 2:53 pm
Latest mocks have Chubb going #1 to the Browns and they pick a QB at #4 (Darnold)
Chubb is out of reach so just fkn forget it, just like Barkley. Best hopes are Fitz, James, Ward, Vea (who I want but just not at #7, trade back a few spots and still get him), and Nelson. Or I guess we could land Davenport which is probably going to happen at #7. He’s not so bad….has potential, uh, im trying….
March 16th, 2018 at 2:55 pm
“Trade Allen, Unrein and Catanzaro for Tom Coughlin”
lmao probably one of my favorite comments on our FA so far.
I want Barkley/Nelson/Chubb or trade down. I like Denzel Ward but he’s short / undersized. Lattimore by comparison had his athleticism but also had size and physicality. I’d rather trade down than take a Ward/Davenport/Vea.
I know historically guards don’t get drafted that high but Nelson is suposedly a generational OG prospect – as in better than any OG in any draft recently
March 16th, 2018 at 2:57 pm
You people… in your responses, the philosophical malaise. You people are like Honda Accord drivers…can’t wait to get your good gas mileage, the reliability, for the wife or to impress the father-in-law…and boy, that’ll get that record skyrocketing from 5-11 to 7-9. Go grab your Honda Accords, boys and girls. And Honda Accords (etc.) will certainly keep Jason employed. Right.
Go Bucs!
March 16th, 2018 at 3:03 pm
LOL. Joe you should start mailing a letter a day to Jason Licht directly with your grievances and reccomendations… Handwritten… and you should post them for us to see. Then your blog would be over the top
March 16th, 2018 at 3:06 pm
Whose the 3rd best pass rusher this draft, a LB? I mean we dont need help there obviously but what about interior pass rush.
I still like Vea as that guy. He’s been compared to Suh when he came out. Interior and he’s fast. https://www.sbnation.com/2018/3/13/17060722/2018-nfl-draft-vita-vea-scouting-report-most-dominant-interior-defensive-lineman-period
Davenport – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZV5LMZN-bk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTyTQtQotzc
March 16th, 2018 at 3:07 pm
Trade Winston and DeSean for Teddy
March 16th, 2018 at 3:07 pm
Bill Says:
March 16th, 2018 at 1:11 pm
The team should really trade down and get as many 2019 picks as possible as a courtesy to the next front office and coaching staff.
^^BINGO^^
no urgency….no excuse!!!!!
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!!
March 16th, 2018 at 3:32 pm
I’d prefer any news to what we’ve been getting. My only hope is licht is waiting around to see how cheap he can get Suh or Tyrann for. I’m at the point now where we might as well sign another backup CB and just start whatever rookie one we draft. If they wanted Gaines bad enough he wouldv’e been signed already. He’s probably trying to squeeze some more money over his worth by a desperate team.
March 16th, 2018 at 3:41 pm
Man, really starting to like Harold Landry. 16 sacks his junior year and got hurt his senior year and thats why the production fell off. Love his interviews too. top 20 imo. We could use him. Get Vea, move back into the 1st for Landry…all is well.
March 16th, 2018 at 3:44 pm
Vinny Curry just got released…
March 16th, 2018 at 3:47 pm
Landry breakdown….grab your popcorn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfFSWrbxRC8
March 16th, 2018 at 3:47 pm
Draft Derwin and fill multiple holes on defense. Pairing him with Justin Evans would be magical.
March 16th, 2018 at 3:49 pm
Though Curry only has 9 sacks over his last 48 games, damn that’s pretty rough.
March 16th, 2018 at 3:49 pm
Licht has gained more pounds than the Bucs have wins under his leadership….
March 16th, 2018 at 3:49 pm
Even if they are right, on this team it’s irrelevant. Just solid talent is needed on a roster devoid of quality at half the positions. If Nelson and Chubb are gone at 7 I’ll take a deal to move back. Draft guys like Payne and James or Hughes (buffalo trade) and pick up a guy like Nick Chubb in rd2. 2 huge holes filled and one guy for the future (Payne).
Personally I hope they draft 2 RBs just to make sure they got it. Other rd 2 guys I like Hernandez and Wynn (assuming we miss out on Nelson of course).
March 16th, 2018 at 3:52 pm
Like this Bucs fan has been saying….go GET CURRY! Healthy, do something, well, do THAT!
Go Bucs!
March 16th, 2018 at 3:52 pm
VINNY CURRY RELEASED!!!!!! LETS GO LICHT!!!
March 16th, 2018 at 4:00 pm
With Joe Thomas retired, I could easily see a scenario where the Browns want McGlinchy, but know they can still get him at 7. They take their QB (not Barkley) at 1, let the Giants and Colts go Barkley and fleecing trade down to Bills for QB2. Then, they trade back to us. We get Chubb. Nelson and QB3 go 5 & 6. The Browns take McGlinchy.
Of course, that requires that (1) they fall in love with a QB or at least see substantial differentiation between QB1 and QB3 and (2) they’re doing the opposite of us–looking long term and see a franchise QB and franchise left tackle as better investments from a present value over time perspective than a Barkley.
So, the Joe’s are clearly math phobes, but the equation is QB1 + LT1 + RB3 or RB4 > RB1 + QB3 + OL BPA in the second round. It also bears mentioning that the Browns made a splashy right tackle signing in FA, so 2nd round OL BPA may not be worth much to them.
I’m sure that very few people here will agree with me, but I just don’t see a moneyball regime drafting a RB with the first overall unless they really, really don’t see any space between QB1 and QB3.
Even after all that, I’m with Bonzai. Trade down. If the draft is light on elite players, then we probably won’t get one. Outside of the big three non-QBs, Barkley, Chubb and Nelson and maybe a McGlinchy, there isn’t much elite talent. Fitzpatrick would probably be our default choice. I still think one of 11-15 will feel their guy is still there, the one they would have picked at number 1 overall, even if Joe Thomas, Peyton Manning, Allen Page and three Saquon Barkley clones were on the board. We’ll still get a Fitzpatrick, a Vea, a James. And Licht might score big with the extra picks.
March 16th, 2018 at 4:09 pm
Bashaud Breeland not signing, failed his physical. I’d give him a look and see if he’ll sign a one year deal
March 16th, 2018 at 4:12 pm
Joe I think your website is broke again today… it’s day 3 of free agency and the Bucs biggest signing of FA is a kicker that missed 9 extra points over 2 years. That can’t be right, there must be some big stories that are stuck in your drafts folder. Please fix ASAP!
God bless.
March 16th, 2018 at 4:13 pm
why sign a player that cant pass a physical?….oh wait…because we’re desperate…..yeah that’s real smart…..
#NOEXCUSESIN2018!!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!!
March 16th, 2018 at 4:19 pm
So many dreams lol
March 16th, 2018 at 4:22 pm
813bucboi – Passing a physical is not a consistent deal, you can have 10 doctors look at the same guy and you might have 70% pass a guy and 30% fail him if there is anything at all questionable with the guy. No reason not to take a look at a guy, in particular if it’s at a discount since we know how much Licht loves getting a deal.
March 16th, 2018 at 4:29 pm
I agree with lakeland 1000%! The draft is chockful of good draft choices. Why is it..Other teams choose 1st, 2nd 3rd, 4th rders and make them sucessful. Yet we say..not enough talent in the draft? Its the Organization peoples! Its the coaches jobs to develop and get the most out of plyers and our Defensive ain’t gettin it done. You could also argue our Offense settles for..way to many field goal attempts in the red zone while other teams just..punch the pigskin in with 6 points. I’m so Deeyham sick of the BUCLife (excuses). Get us a Tom Coughlin type exec in Tampa who knows what the hell he is doing. Cause the 3 loseateers ain’t gettin it done!!
March 16th, 2018 at 4:29 pm
teams have been known to fail a player they really didnt want for ANY REASON!
March 16th, 2018 at 4:31 pm
^^^^^^^player’s physical
March 16th, 2018 at 4:32 pm
DE Robert Ayers – Age: 32 | 2015-2017
• Games Played : 36 out of 48 | Games Started: 31 ←
• Sacks: 17.5 | Total Tackles: 105 | Tackles for Loss: 13 ←
DE Vinny Curry – Age: 29 | 2015-2017
• Games Played : 48 out of 48 | Games Started: 16 ←
• Sacks: 9.0 | Total Tackles: 80 | Tackles for Loss: 20 ←
Note: Robert Ayers missed *36 out of 48 from 2015-2017
March 16th, 2018 at 4:41 pm
Rod Munch, I agree with you about Ward. He has elite speed and great technique. He’s not 6-2, but neither was Revis, and he could shut down anyone in his prime. I’d be ok with him, even if Nelson is there.
March 16th, 2018 at 4:43 pm
Blake, I think Penny is gone before we pick in the 3rd. I hope I’m wrong, though. He’d be a steal of a 3rd round pick. I like him almost as much as I liked Hunt last year.
March 16th, 2018 at 4:46 pm
I don’t want Vinny Curry because every time I hear his name, all I can think about is Eric Curry. I’ve been trying to forget about him for 25 years!
March 16th, 2018 at 4:54 pm
lol Vinny Curry
Has the ship sunken this low?
Wishing for underachieving bums?
March 16th, 2018 at 4:59 pm
@LUV…
You’re no prescient.
First, I think you meant to note at the bottom of your last take, that Ayers missed 12 out of 48, not 36 out of 48.
Second, Ayers STARTED twice as many games as Curry. There’s something to be said for 1st half defensive pursuit, prior to any halftime adjustments made by opposing defensive coordinators possibly, and likely.
Third, Curry over 2015-2017 wasn’t asked to do what a younger Ayers was in Tennessee at age 29, starting and playing mostly full time—in your stats.
Lastly, and most importantly, Ayers is no longer 29 or 30, and is not worth $6 mill per year now, but Curry at 29 NOW is worth $5 million annually here in Tampa, plus incentives of say $2 mill per year. (See comparable Okafor contract).
Overall…it’s really noise @LUV you laid out, they are 3.5-4 years different in age NOW. And yes that matters.
Curry on 3 year (basically 2 with 3rd year team option) at $5 mill per with extra $2 mill incentives. No big deal. Then cut Gholston, or Ayers (or restructure Ayers), cut Gholston.
Go Bucs!
March 16th, 2018 at 4:59 pm
Restructure/Extension
• William Gholston | Saved: $4,282,500
• Gerald McCoy | Saved: $8,501,250
Total:$12,783,750
Sign
• Vinny Curry
• Bennie Logan
*New Front 7 Rotation
RDE Robert Ayers | Vinny Curry | Noah Spence
RDT Gerald McCoy | Will Clarke
LDT Bennie Logan | Beau Allen
LDE William Gholston | Mitch Unrein
WLB Lavonte David | Devante Bond
MLB Kwon Alexander | Adarius Glanton
SAM Kendell Beckwith
Real talk – that’s a good rotation.
Especially against the run.
March 16th, 2018 at 5:03 pm
Mike Johnson: I was going to go with “lite” instead of “light,” but I couldn’t pull the trigger. Admire your nerve and audacity.
March 16th, 2018 at 5:06 pm
BetterBuccinBelieveIt
I clearly pointed out
(RA) Games Started: 31 ←
Vs. Rotational Defensive End Candidate <–
(VC) Games Started: 16 ←
And yes (Typo) Robert Ayers played in *36 out of 48 from 2015-2017
March 16th, 2018 at 5:07 pm
*Moderation?
March 16th, 2018 at 5:08 pm
But I will admit Vinny Curry is an upgrade at DE
Why not sign him
March 16th, 2018 at 5:13 pm
LakeLand
Sign
Vinny & Bennie – and we’ve got one solid rotation.
March 16th, 2018 at 5:23 pm
MadMax Says
“I still like Vea as that guy.”
Yeah, I think Vea is our guy unless Chubb miraculously falls.
March 16th, 2018 at 5:36 pm
Nelson and Chubb won’t fall to us. Barkley has the best chance to. Licht and Dirk will be fired. This FA period is a flipping disgrace.
March 16th, 2018 at 5:37 pm
With that rotation – we don’t walk into the 2018 NFL draft desperate at DL.
We can maneuver the board and draft a couple quality RB’s,CB,S,OL.
And possible grab a couple gems at DL, like Acuna, Norton, etc.
Solid prospects that can learn behind some quality vets.
March 16th, 2018 at 5:38 pm
We’re sooooo close so obviously we don’t need anymore Free Agents, right? Just trust Genius Licht to fill the few holes with the draft. Yeah, he knows the way to the playoffs this year. Just take the best player available irregardless of needs. Let’s take another WR, TE, and a great LB. That is the Licht way. I have been warning you about Licht since the last draft!!!
March 16th, 2018 at 5:44 pm
LUVMYBUCS
Those two signings would be a horrible idea…not to mention they already addressed both spots with horrible players.
March 16th, 2018 at 5:54 pm
I’m on the draft Vita Vea bandwagon. Dude has Man Beast potential.
March 16th, 2018 at 5:56 pm
Bonzai…remember the year we signed Gaines Adams…RIP…you know who drafted right in front of us? Browns…Joe Thomas. And one before that? Calvin Johnson. And draft day we knew they were both better players. It is sometimes a crap shoot….but the odds are much better when you don’t have to draft a pick or two lower. So yes…the game did matter….and on draft day, look and see who goes at five and six. Then watch their careers… and then you will likely see what I mean.
March 16th, 2018 at 6:00 pm
Bonzai. I like Vea. I really do. But he has some troublesome qualities and inconsistencies on tape.
He has moments where he looks like a wrecking ball on a mission. Blasting through double teams and looking nigh unstoppable against a single man.
However, something I find disconcerting, is that seemingly all of these moments appear to occur against a lower level of competition.
And there are other moments where he looks exceedingly ordinary considering his physical skill set. Like his game versus Penn State.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNL5dYN0JlU
There is some troubling footage in that video. Moments where Vea doesn’t appear to really be rushing with a purpose. And several occasions where he is stood up 1v1 versus #70. Like I said I like him, but I just ain’t 100 percent sold on him at 7.
I don’t think I’d take him over Nelson, or Barkley. And for all the Barkley doubters, the kid is special. And you can see that clear as day if you watch the above tape.
March 16th, 2018 at 6:06 pm
Hope so Bonzai….Vita is a beast regardless of the few negative nancys here turning their nose up at him.
whats your thoughts on Harold Landry?
You too LUV, thoughts on Landry? I think he would be a great pick up if we can move back into the 20’s in the 1st.
March 16th, 2018 at 6:10 pm
Bonzai
How the hell – would signing one of the best runstuffing tackles & rotational DE’ entire league – be a bad thing?
March 16th, 2018 at 6:13 pm
MadMax
He cool
March 16th, 2018 at 6:13 pm
@LUV
Because apparently he’s all in on Vita Vea, and know’s that if we sign Bennie Logan that would make Vea’s presence unnecessary.
Either that or he’s a real fool and doesn’t know who Bennie Logan is.
March 16th, 2018 at 6:14 pm
In the entire league
March 16th, 2018 at 6:19 pm
Bonsai,
A team trades up one spot when they think another team will do the same, not because they think the team one pick up is going to draft the same player.
March 16th, 2018 at 6:53 pm
Did Jimmy Jack die of starvation?
Have not seen him here today.
March 16th, 2018 at 7:16 pm
Blake_Bucsfan
What’s crazy is that if Nelson’s off the board – U can still draft Vea.
And have even more depth.
RDE Robert Ayers | Vinny Curry | Noah Spence
RDT Gerald McCoy | *Vita Vea
LDT Bennie Logan | Beau Allen
LDE William Gholston | Mitch Unrein
Remember U-DUBB played ” V” acrosss the damn line.
March 16th, 2018 at 7:23 pm
Ive never hated being a Bucs fan as much as right now. We have Tampa Bay Rays disease and only getting new owners will cure it. Facr it people this year will blow. We will have the 1st pick in the draft with the way we have addressed FA and thinking we get 4 potential starters will not work. We need a (Starting caliber) DE, DT, CB, SAFETY, LG, RG/or C, and RB. So basically we would need every pick too be a home run just to fill the holes. And dont tell me the Beau and Urine we pulled out the toilet fill anything on our team. Best case rotational backups who wont contribute spit. Wake up a smell the coffee we SUCK! And we will continue that this year. I will be cheering for the 49ers this year and looking forward to the Bucs go 0-16. New coach will want his own QB and maybe then we will actually have a reason to be excited.
March 16th, 2018 at 7:29 pm
Adrian Clayborn- New England Patriots
Rashaan Melvin- Oakland Raiders
March 16th, 2018 at 7:33 pm
I had a premature evaluation.
I just read a Jimmy Jack post on Ira’s column.
He is alive, but not doing well.
March 16th, 2018 at 7:34 pm
I’m pretty sure @Joe…thinks he can …..delete…posts now. Posts that are not objectionable in the least.
I posted a Kyle Fuller/Green Bay offer sheet comment in the most recent 2 threads of this thread and the Ira article also, cause it relates to both people in both threads, and apparently @Joe or his minions…..think they can DELETE content from posters that isn’t objectionable in the least. So now the comments are edited??? Mainpulated, through editing? Hmm…
Anyone can post any (unobjectionable) comments/post on any number of threads they please.
Go ahead and explain…to all of us ..@Joe, cause I know mine is missing, here.
Go Bucs!
March 16th, 2018 at 7:39 pm
Hilarious Dave Pear!!
March 16th, 2018 at 8:39 pm
Folks act like these “grades” by GMs are written in stone…..Hargreaves was a 1st rd grade….he’s garbage. One could argue Winston has the same or less talent then Carr or Garrapolo who were both taken in the 2nd rd….Winston was #1. I promise you….right now if teams could draft those 4 QBs over…..Winston isn’t the 1st pick….easily could be the last of those 4. I would like for Licht to see who is available at #7….if its not chubb, barkley or nelson…..trade down, collect picks and improve our odds. No matter how you slice it or dice it, Licht is better served with more early round picks then less.
March 16th, 2018 at 8:39 pm
Ryan Jensen 4 yr deal!!
March 16th, 2018 at 8:41 pm
Bucs just signed C Ryan Jensen. Great news!
March 16th, 2018 at 8:42 pm
Lakeland: Has the ship sunken this low?
Yes.
March 16th, 2018 at 8:45 pm
Jensen will move Marpet back to Guard. Good decision. Wished they would be honest with fans and say it didnt work but I guess too proud.
March 16th, 2018 at 9:02 pm
That’s O.K. Well probably have a higher draft position next year. Man, I’m negative tonight.
March 16th, 2018 at 11:38 pm
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ARTICLE HEADLINE = FAKE NEWS TO THE MAX!
THIS DRAFT is the perfect draft to trade down in for the Bucs!
There are SEVEN top players in this draft, the 4 QBs (Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield and Allen) along with DE Bradley Chubb, OF Quenton Nelson and RB Saquon Barkley.
The above said, if the three non-QBs all go in the top 6 picks, one of the big 4 QBs will still be available when the Bucs are on the clock, which means the Bucs could trade down for a king’s ransom!
OR … if all 4 of the top QBs are off the board in the first 6 picks, either Bradley Chubb, Saquon Barkley or Quenton Nelson will be there for the Bucs to pick at #7.
I AM EXCITED FOR DRAFT DAY!!!!!
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March 16th, 2018 at 11:41 pm
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ARTICLE HEADLINE = COMPLETE NONSENSE
Note: I’m not accusing the Joe’s of anything as it’s a catchy headline; I’m saying it doesn’t apply to us with the #7 pick.
THIS DRAFT is the perfect draft to trade down in for the Bucs!
There are SEVEN top players in this draft, the 4 QBs (Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield and Allen) along with DE Bradley Chubb, OF Quenton Nelson and RB Saquon Barkley.
The above said, if the three non-QBs all go in the top 6 picks, one of the big 4 QBs will still be available when the Bucs are on the clock, which means the Bucs could trade down for a king’s ransom!
OR … if all 4 of the top QBs are off the board in the first 6 picks, either Bradley Chubb, Saquon Barkley or Quenton Nelson will be there for the Bucs to pick at #7.
I AM EXCITED FOR DRAFT DAY!!!!!
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March 16th, 2018 at 11:55 pm
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MY UPDATED MOCK:
BROWNS: Sam Darnold (The Hyde signing makes me think they’re going QB)
GIANTS: Saquon Barkley
BILLS (trade with Colts): Josh Rosen
JETS (trade with Browns): Baker Mayfield
BRONCOS: Quenton Nelson
BROWNS: Bradley Chubb
BUCS: TRADE DOWN with either the Dolphins or Cardinals
HOWEVER, I could also see something like the following happening:
BROWNS: Sam Darnold
GIANTS: Saquon Barkley
BILLS (Trade with Colts): Josh Rosen
CARDINALS (Trade with Browns): Josh Allen
BRONCOS: Quenton Nelson
JETS: Baker Mayfield
BUCCANEERS: Bradley Chubb
Note: The reason I think the Browns could trade out of the #4 pick rather tha taking Chubb isn’t just to secure extra picks but to set themselves up to take LT Mike McGlinchey to replace Joe Thomas … if they can get McGlinchey and an extra 2nd and 3rd rounder that may be much more valuable to them than another DE, even one as talented as Chubb … I’m not saying they would be right but Joe Thomas’ retirement left a huge hole on their O-Line and the Browns may feel this way.
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March 16th, 2018 at 11:58 pm
#16 seed UMBC just defeated, not just a #1 seed, but THEE #1 overall seed Virginia in the NCAA Tourney … #16 seeds were 0-135 all-time before this win … ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN IN SPORTS … don’t ever lose hope people!