Jameis Winston’s Scoring Woes
December 26th, 2017
Battling Glennon
Jameis Winston’s NFL offenses don’t score points. It’s been bad.
Mike Glennon put up as many points per game as a 13-game rookie starter than Jameis Winston has this year.
When Jameis has played this season, the equivalent of 11 full games of action, the Buccaneers have scored an average of just 20.1 points. That’s Jameis’ 12 starts subtracting one half of play each against the Saints and Cardinals.
Glennon’s brutal offense averaged 19.5 points during his 13 starts of 2013. Joe’s not going to type a comparison of the talent Glennon had versus what Jameis has had this season. Joe doesn’t want to inflict more pain upon Bucs fans.
(And for those wondering, the Bucs have scored the same number of defensive touchdowns this season as they did in 2013: three).
In 2015, Dirk Koetter’s first year calling plays, the Bucs ranked 20th in the NFL in points scored. Last year, they were 18th. This year, Tampa Bay checks in at 20th overall.
It’s not just a Jameis problem, it’s a Buccaneers problem.
The last time the Bucs put up points as good or better than the rest of the NFL was in 2001. Yes, under Father Dungy. In ’01, they ranked 15th in the NFL in scoring. In 2000, the Bucs were 6th in the league at 24.3 points per game.
An offense has one primary goal when it steps on the field: score. Throw the blame where you want. Take your pick. But the reality is the Bucs haven’t gotten it done for more than a generation.
December 26th, 2017 at 9:04 am
A big part of the reason is the Bucs have the worst running backs in the NFL.
That doesn’t help much Joe.
December 26th, 2017 at 9:08 am
Number one problem is red zone play calling. Second and ten from the 11-yard line, down 6-3, we ran Doug Martin off tackle for no gain. That’s disgraceful. What’s the goal there? A good run of 4-5 yards just means you still have to throw on third down — you turn the drive into a binary third down conversion test. Throw three times! Give your best players the best chance to score. And if we are going to run, we should run a draw out of a passing formation. Lining up in the I formation and giving Kuechly a lead blocker to follow into the hole is a joke in the red zone. In the red zone, the advantage of 3rd and 7 as opposed to 3rd and 10 is minimal because the end zone acts as a defender, space is compacted.
Jameis gets too many opportunities taken out of his hands by red zone runs that never work. The worst thing that happened to us in that game was the one good Barber run to the left that he broke off — Dirk chased that result the entire rest of the game, and we never had another decent running play. All we did is waste plays that JW could have turned into TD passes.
December 26th, 2017 at 9:09 am
His play needs to be better in the red zone, but I don’t believe he is the one calling that same garbage stretch play from the 10 yard line either.
December 26th, 2017 at 9:11 am
Our D is pathetic and haven’t looked but have to believe big differential in time of possession. So I don’t believe offense is getting as many opportunities
December 26th, 2017 at 9:12 am
It’s kinda hard pinning JW on slow starts when as we go 3 and out we do a screen pass that goes nowhere and we have to punt. Repeatedly
December 26th, 2017 at 9:14 am
Saquon Barkley please then draft and sign OL and DL, sad we nave 1 good player in 4 years of Licht on both lines, Marpet, McCoy was already here and is going to be 30, so sad, but we need a dynamic dual threat RB to take pressure off our QB, look what Zeke, Gurley, Fournette and McCaffery have done to those offenses and all four teams have been to the playoffs the last 2 years, except Dallas and only because Zeke missed 6 games
December 26th, 2017 at 9:20 am
Jameis is but one of the Bucs many problems–his 23 turnovers to his 18 TDs means he regularly robs his team of a chance to score. So do penalties that stall drives–especially holding. Play calling is another one. I’ll never get why they needed 3 or 4 yards so often on third down and too often attempted low percentage passes that resulted in FG…several of those….missed. But it starts with Jameis. I don’t know why they overrely on Sims. I don’t know why they throw to Cross and Martino when Brate and Godwin or Hump are there.
Many of these things are fixable. But not with Jameis if he’s lied in J-WUbergate or is suspended by the NFL going into next season. The coaching situation will be decided here in a week or so, but the Uber deal is going to wreck offseason momentum and only further hurt this team. And the next couple of months will probably be about the time Mike Evans does something stupid off the field becuase of his own inability to control his temper.
December 26th, 2017 at 9:21 am
like guzzie says–draft Saquon and play action all game long.
Piss poor play calling and no yards with DM22 up the gut over n over causes lack of points. Beef up the oline and Dline also, buy everything we can in free agency as we are thin especially defense.
December 26th, 2017 at 9:21 am
Wonder what JW and the rest of the offense can do with a stud in the backfield, keeps the defense off the field, opens up play action, makes our screen game lethal, look at what Gurley has done with his screens, Barkley is a next level talent, a bigger version of Marshal Faulk, he’s JWs Edge like Peyton had early, I’m know I’m dreaming, because the Bucs always pass on stud RBs like passing on Adian Peterson for Gaines Adams
December 26th, 2017 at 9:26 am
so in 2015 we had less weapons on offense and defense and we were 20th in points scored….we finished 6-10….
after being ranked 18th last year, we’re currently ranked 20th again with more offensive weapons….#REGRESSION….
this team has regressed under dirk in every facet….from offense to defense to special teams…..from players to coaches…..from execution to discipline…from leadership to focus…..from record to rankings…
send dirk packing!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!
December 26th, 2017 at 9:29 am
Brought to you in part by Licht’s Out…where standing pat at RB in the offseason has nearly secured a Top 5 pick.* Retaining a washed up Druggie at 7 mil and drafting a fella who will never play a down in a regular season game doesn’t count.
December 26th, 2017 at 9:34 am
Correction…Jeremy McWoodenNicholas as played some special team snaps for the Niners. Inapologize to him and his Uncle Snoop.
December 26th, 2017 at 9:37 am
Koetters nfl coaching career will be over in less than 2 weeks
no one will hire klueless and his run, run, 7 step drop scheme in the NFL
this is a guarantee from Kobe Faker and son of Kobe Faker Family
December 26th, 2017 at 9:37 am
All of our FA capital needs to be spent on the trenches, all of it, don’t give Evans his big extension let him play out his rookie contract, he’s not playing elite WR money worthy, plenty of guys put up his numbers with the amount of targets he gets, try keeping some our late round picks, they are developemental type guys, 1 training camp isn’t enough to develop, the good teams give their young guys time go develop
December 26th, 2017 at 9:52 am
As you know, I’ve been down on Koetter’s playcalling for a couple of years now. He simply runs scared in the red zone.
He is now just starting to play action on 1st downs and we move the ball between the 20s. But, running in the red zone has been a disaster.
We should have easily scored 35 Sunday. If giving up playcalling isn’t part of Koetter’s plan going forward, he should be fired.
I like the guy and think he is a good coach over his head with HC & OC combined duties.
Winston is certainly not the problem. His red zone turnover to TD ratio is outstanding…..but that is because Koetter is reluctant to let him pass.
December 26th, 2017 at 9:53 am
Still moderating me, Joe…..why?
December 26th, 2017 at 9:55 am
GUZZIE
is a true bucs fan
we need to make hard and smart decisions. Trade MEME and get a 2nd round pick
with the right moves in the draft and FA, we can make the playoffs next year
Gruden doesnt need much with his schemes. He finallaly has the trigger man
both trenches and all defense
December 26th, 2017 at 10:03 am
.1 schmoit 1……the average is STILL under 20 for 3 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 26th, 2017 at 10:04 am
the question is …..who is the majority of that problem….koetter or jameis????
December 26th, 2017 at 10:07 am
2 not joes,
Jameis finally made the NFL fedex QB of the week
http://www.nfl.com/voting/players-air-and-ground/2017/reg/16#playerId:0ap3000000897568
can you start a thread for everyone to vote
December 26th, 2017 at 10:10 am
@ Roy…..
umm besides fist-a-cuffs leaving outside a Miami nightclub (pre marriage and 2nd child btw)
when has mike evans ever done something dumb off the field ????
it was on it defending jameis……these so called fans I tell you SMH
December 26th, 2017 at 10:11 am
defending jameis ON the FIELD*
December 26th, 2017 at 10:12 am
and that Miami incident was rookie year …the man doesn’t even go out in that manner
December 26th, 2017 at 10:20 am
It wouldn’t matter. If our offense put up 40 the D would give up 42. If we put up 14 they get 17.
December 26th, 2017 at 10:21 am
And what say you about the Bucs Defense lack of Stopping anybody Woes?
December 26th, 2017 at 10:24 am
Nate…a cheap shot between plays that got him suspended is a product of a man who can’t control his anger. Constantly. He didn’t have to have done anything off the field…it’s a matter of time. You brought up fist a cuffs yourself. Rookie year? Still a grown man. Justifiably defending his 6’5″ QB? You make me laugh.
December 26th, 2017 at 10:37 am
Roy t Buford
You need either flag football
JW and Me13 ain’t going nowhere. Stop picking on the our young guys when our vets and probowls vets – should be getting most of the blame. These established players that so use to losing games and gets a pass
Let young men be young men. Vets who been doing football for more years can’t even control a lead gets a pass why? JW turnovers are a problem but some how still put us in position to win a game. Then when we need that goal line stop ur boy GMC NEVERRR comes thru. It’s been 8 years and gmc still is not clutch. Yeah but blame the young players.
December 26th, 2017 at 10:43 am
Makes you wonder what the scoring avg. would have been if the QB hit all those deep throws when DJ11 was running wide open for easy touchdowns!!!!!! But some have already chosen who is to blame months ago!!!!!!!
Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!
December 26th, 2017 at 10:45 am
I love how this article states Jameis offenses dont score. Well thats funny cause I didnt know he get false start penalities, blows blocking assignments, drops balls in the endzone (Godwin), gets holding calls, get OPI calls, and most important calls the predictable plays known to man in the red zone. Prime example Sunday, 1st down fade to Mike Evans which was a throw away cause Evans lost at the line, then 2nd down a toss sweep to the boundry side of the field which goes for a loss of 3, then 3rd down a sack, shocker right. That is some great creative playcalling right there. Yep your right with those gems it was all the QBs fault. Get a clue people the playcalling in the redzone has been horrible. No creativity at all. We should be going bunch formations with built in high low concepts or crossing routes along the end line with zone beaters along the front line. I mean there are so many cool things you can do in the redzone and we run fades, toss pitches and then from 3rd and goal from the 13 drop back with 5 man protections, when we could not block Peppers or Short all day 1 on 1 and expect to win. That is just complete idiotic playcalling.
December 26th, 2017 at 10:49 am
Realist say what you will but look at what happens when DJax isnt playing! From a yards standpoint the team explodes when he is not on the field. There did not seem to be a problem with Jameis hitting Godwin in stride for that 70 plus yards play. Or the deep shots to Evans that were perfectly thrown or any deep shot this year to OJ Howard. The only problem with deep balls this year has been to one person so I dont know how you can put that 100% on the QB. It is clearly a chemistry thing. We all know you love the coaches but please please defend the playcalling in the redzone after reading my last post.
December 26th, 2017 at 10:50 am
Roy T Buford- where are you getting 23 turnovers vs 18 TDs from? Please quote your source.
Also, as a frame of reference, Jameis will more than likely break Dan Marino’s record of 68 TDs thrown before turning 24. Currently tied. Also most like to have fewer INT’s. Just sayin’.
December 26th, 2017 at 10:55 am
So Roy you want Jameis to not take chances with the ball when throwing it so there are no picks, but don’t take sacks either. So what exactly do you want him to do? If you take a ton of sacks you are going to fumble the ball eventually. For instance on the first one Sunday he was in the passing motion! How can that be his fault, and you people do realize that if he just took the sack everytime someone was near him he would get sacked like 12 times a game right. Just in the game Sunday according to you people that deep throw he made to Hump should have been a sack. Remember that play last year against the Bears to Evans for like 50 yards yep a sack or that play two years ago against the Falcons that won the game for us yep another sack. We should have never drafted a QB at all cause all you guys want is someone who is going to just throw check downs all day and take sacks which is Mike Glennon.
December 26th, 2017 at 11:00 am
Jameis not only has scoring woes, he also has winning woes.
And how many points did the Bucs score when Fitz was starting?
December 26th, 2017 at 11:06 am
Brian are you serious? We played the Jets and the Dolphins which in that game we got 5 TO’s and scored on Special Teams. Again just showing how clueless some of you are, my goodness do you even watch the games?
December 26th, 2017 at 11:14 am
Oh..at first I thought the headline was Jameis Winston scoring hoes
December 26th, 2017 at 11:14 am
Ndog
Pull your head out of your backside and watch those games. Stop being a fanboy and be a Bucs fan.
The last 2 games Koetter has installed the same game plan for Jameis that he did for Fitz. Short passing game with safe passes. The offense runs smoother that way and will score more when the QB isn’t fumbling all over the place. Fitz scored more than Jameis for that reason. 40 points in the last 2 games will not win in the NFL very often
December 26th, 2017 at 11:17 am
Ndog Says:
December 26th, 2017 at 10:49 am
Realist say what you will but look at what happens when DJax isnt playing!
^^BINGO^^
Winston spread the ball around like a QB should….I think part of the problem between Winston and djax is that the OC (dirk)forcing the deep ball to djax instead of just letting it happen….
proper coaching will fix a lot of our problems….better days are ahead!!!!…step 1..send dirk packing!!!!!…..GO BUCS!!!!
December 26th, 2017 at 11:20 am
Jameis Winston has put this team in position to win at least 5 games in addition to the 4 the Bucs have won (NE, Buf, GB, Det, Car) and one could argue he kept us in the Atlanta game with a chance to tie. In each of those games the defense either game up a game winning score or FG’s were missed that would have won (NE).
How is Jameis the problem again?
December 26th, 2017 at 11:21 am
Gave up^^
December 26th, 2017 at 11:22 am
Head Coach or Offensive Coordinator. Either/Or….can’t wear both hats at the same time Koetter. Its costing your attention to the defense. And you are not giving Jameis and Co the benefit of a full time OC.
New D Coach, move Monken to OC (not just title) and let’r rip…..
December 26th, 2017 at 11:25 am
And Glennon had the great Coach Gregory Eugene Schiano which equals at least three Koetter-Smitty combos.
December 26th, 2017 at 11:29 am
The Buc Realist Says:
December 26th, 2017 at 10:43 am
But some have already chosen who is to blame months ago!!!!!!!
that’s because the “real bucs fans” can spot real HC from a mile away….and dirk is no where near being a real HC….average OC as long as someone is there to hold his hand but not HC material….never has been…never will be….
“real bucs fans” saw this train wreck coming since preseason….we were unable to score then and that has carried over into the season…..
every area on this team has regressed under dirk…..you have lost all creditability claiming he was our savior and claiming how much better he was than lovie….BS….
dirk has done less with more than lovie ever had…..he has failed miserably…he has fallen on his face and has left you to pick up the pieces!!!!….
good luck helping him pack!!!!….his moving date is quickly approaching!!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!!
December 26th, 2017 at 11:35 am
Bucs rankings in the NFL:
Jamies is the 10th ranked passer in the NFL with a passer rating of 96.5
Bucs are 4th in passing yardage
Bucs are 27th in rushing yardage
Bucs have the 27th ranked rushing offense
Bucs have the 31st ranked defense
Bucs have the worst ranked 3rd down defense
Bucs have the worst pass defense
Bucs have the worst defense in sack production
Bucs are 31st in punt yardage
Bucs are 31st in Kick off Return yardage
Bucs are 28th in Kick Return defense
Outside of passing the Ball the Bucs are awful in every facet of the game.
and they have also been one of the worst in the NFL in field goal percentage.
That should give you an idea of where the Bucs have issues
December 26th, 2017 at 11:37 am
AJ Says:
December 26th, 2017 at 11:22 am
Head Coach or Offensive Coordinator. Either/Or….can’t wear both hats at the same time Koetter. Its costing your attention to the defense.
thing is, dirk doesn’t know defense!!!!…he’s admit numerous of times that, “he’ll screw things up” if he sat in a defensive meeting….WTF?!?!….
an HC that only knows or is comfortable with one side of the ball and doesn’t have the competence to give valuable input in defensive meetings…..what type of HC doesn’t have an idea of what he wants his team to accomplish on defense?….DIRK that who….and that’s why we’re 4-12….GO BUCS!!!!
December 26th, 2017 at 11:42 am
Wausa- great post. I think that picture tells most of the story. Hard to argue.
December 26th, 2017 at 11:47 am
The good passing numbers are a bit deceptive because a lot of it is between the 20’s.
Watching the games drives me nuts because whatever the bucs do to drive down the field they totally abandon when they get to the red zone. Upon arrival they always waste at least two downs on an ineffective run play, and put Jameis in third and long.
December 26th, 2017 at 11:52 am
Hopefully when Coach Gruden takes over next month who will spend lots of Glazer loot to fix some glaring problems on this team –
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/defensive-line/
One glare from Chucky and Jason Licht will fall into line.
December 26th, 2017 at 11:52 am
Bucs need to get Chubbs in the 1st, Penny 2nd and OL 3rd
December 26th, 2017 at 11:59 am
Eagles DT Beau Allen will be a free agent at the end of this season. He would be a steal – https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Beau+Allen&&view=detail&mid=08419A192A2367B3AD5508419A192A2367B3AD55&FORM=VRDGAR
Guy is a beast
December 26th, 2017 at 12:00 pm
We have been the worse franchise in terms of wins the history of NFL. We are 250-393 w-l and that’s a 38.9 percent win percentage. The second last is Cardinals w a 42.8 percent. That’s bad.
We have a losing team that historical losses and let’s blame JW passion tho.
Bucs fans spin it either way or come up w conspiracy theories all y’all want blame anyone everyone. But one common denominator is that this franchise loses. We have a franchise Qb and still lose. We fire coaches left and right and still lose. We get good players and still lose.
December 26th, 2017 at 12:00 pm
Totally Confident, right guys?
December 26th, 2017 at 12:00 pm
very challenging situation; Winston will hopefully improve but he continues to limit the team
Sunday was yet another example of missed opportunities — get 1-2 more first downs and Winston puts the game away if not sets up an easier field goal
3rd down when it matters and red zone offense separate statistical masters from winners
hopefully Winston is humble enough to learn and get the ‘passion’ out of his game too
the passion he is showing is too much ‘me, me, me’ and smacks of entitlement and neediness
if he can’t get that under control, he’ll set the franchise back
December 26th, 2017 at 12:01 pm
What Wausa said! We have problems everywhere.
To the story, you have to score TDs in this league, especially if you have a bad defense. We can lament the defense for not stopping the Panthers all day long but, at the end of the day, the offense HAS to score TDs, not FGs. Play-calling has been an issue all year, as has Jameis inability to hit open receivers. I don’t think you can pin it on just one thing.
December 26th, 2017 at 12:04 pm
So Brian i am a fanboy cause I point out facts like in that Dolphins Kwon got a pick that got a TD drive of ours started at their 10 yard line and at the end of the game we scored a TD on defense. That is 14 points basically given to the offense. 30 minus 14 is 16 whopping points. I mean if you are going to play that game look at the Bears game where we scored 29 points. I guess to you think Jameis was the reason we scored so many in that one to? I’m sure it had nothing to do with the pick 6 we got in that one or the 4 TO’s our d forced. Due you are clueless, and I am sorry facts are getting in the way of your predetermined hopes of failure by OUR QB!
December 26th, 2017 at 12:05 pm
Wow, we really do have the 4th best passing offense in the league, an improvement from 16th last year.
I guess it goes without saying but 9 out of the top ten scoring offenses are in the playoffs, and none of the bottom ten are.
We need to reboot.
December 26th, 2017 at 12:08 pm
Title should have been “Redzone pants-crapping Head Coach Dirk Koetter scoring woes.”
December 26th, 2017 at 12:12 pm
EEK what are you watching? So getting hit as he is throwing the ball is his fault? The fumbled snap, no one has said this but did anyone notice the center on that play? He was pulling which is means at least it could have been half his fault but lets just said it was all on Jameis. Dude we could not run the ball yet again and we gave up 6 sacks! Thats not even mentioning the crazy amount of false starts we had to make it 2nd and 10 or 3rd and 8 which are all clear passing situations, and he held us back!!!!!???? Please show me the QB who plays a TO free game and produces 370 plus yards of offense while getting sacked 6 times in a games. Go ahead we will all wait for your great wisdom to find such an act. Simple watch Brees, Brady, Ryan, Big Ben, etc… when they are getting sacked 6 times in a game and you can almost guarantee multiple TO’s. You cannot have that much stuff going on around you all the time and not have things go wrong period! But you are right lets just blame the QB, you guys kill me with your complete lack of knowledge.
December 26th, 2017 at 12:32 pm
The Buc Realist Says:
December 26th, 2017 at 10:43 am
Makes you wonder what the scoring avg. would have been if the QB hit all those deep throws when DJ11 was running wide open for easy touchdowns!!!!!! But some have already chosen who is to blame months ago!!!!!!!
Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!
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Realist’s acct has been hacked by a sheep! By far the worst comment ever post under this scrn name.
December 26th, 2017 at 12:41 pm
Ndog not sure you are responding to my comment
Winston had ample opportunities to put the game away — as he did in several of his last 9 straight losses as the starting qb
have any of the qb’s listed in your comment had such a streak as 9 straight losses as a starter?
another lost season….
December 26th, 2017 at 12:41 pm
Wausa gets it. The bucs constantly have the worst field position. You can thank defense and special teams for that. Oh and the fumbles and the penalties do not help. This is way more than a jameis issue.
December 26th, 2017 at 12:43 pm
Anbody that expects an offense to drive the ball 75+ yards 90% in order to score is fooling themselves.
December 26th, 2017 at 12:43 pm
And since the O is Koetters “expertise”, you still think he should remain HC? Not like he isn’t trying.
December 26th, 2017 at 12:44 pm
Glennon was throwing to Tim Wright and Tiquan uderwood and still scored more points. Not to mention he didnt have 3 years of starting experience and still produced more with so much less. STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR OUR LOOSER QUARTERBACK! If Glennon had half the weapons Winston had he would have shined. Only people protecting Jameis are either Fsu faithful or Black. Im Hispanic and I never stuck up for Aguayo because that crap dont matter to me. What matters is if the player produces or not. I applaud you Joe, Steve Izbitz for telll8ngthe truth despite you fallinbg head over heels for Winston. You truly dont show bias while otherd make excuses. For that sir I respect your opinion a whole bunch more!
December 26th, 2017 at 12:48 pm
Eek
You are wrong. The defense had ample opportunities to put the game away and failed. The bucs had the lead in at least 4 games this year with 2 minutes to play and the DEFENSE let the other team score. Unless you want jameis to play d-end or cornerback, then your statement is an example of not knowing what you are talking about.
December 26th, 2017 at 12:50 pm
Bucs rankings in the NFL:
Jamies is the 10th ranked passer in the NFL with a passer rating of 96.5
Bucs are 4th in passing yardage
Bucs are 27th in rushing yardage
Bucs have the 27th ranked rushing offense
Bucs have the 31st ranked defense
Bucs have the worst ranked 3rd down defense
Bucs have the worst pass defense
Bucs have the worst defense in sack production
Bucs are 31st in punt yardage
Bucs are 31st in Kick off Return yardage
Bucs are 28th in Kick Return defense
Outside of passing the Ball the Bucs are awful in every facet of the game.
and they have also been one of the worst in the NFL in field goal percentage.
That should give you an idea of where the Bucs have issues
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Where are they in turnovers?
Thanks.
December 26th, 2017 at 12:56 pm
Eric is another clueless poster. Glennon never had the bucs in position to win. We were down by 20 every game because he could not make plays. All he did was check down on 3rd and 7 for 3 yrds. Winston makes plays all the time that at least keep the bucs in games and sometimes have us in position to win with 2 minutes to go only for the defense to fail. Btw… winston is tied with marino with the most passing tds at 64 before the age of 24. There has been many qbs between marino and winston who can not say that. Imagine if winston was not hurt for 4 games. Yes, you are the very definition of clueless.
December 26th, 2017 at 12:57 pm
QB has the ball with 4 minutes to play and a 4 point lead. 1st and 10 at Carolina 36 yard line.
Does the qb have an opportunity to salt away the game?
a first down at least chews up Carolina’s time outs
how about the 8 other starts, did the qb have the ball with a lead and less than 10 minutes in any of those games?
Number 1 overall draft pick — most highly sought after player in his draft — lots of L’s….
December 26th, 2017 at 12:59 pm
This is funny. We have the 4th rated passing offense in the NFL. We are horrible at running the football, pass protection, stopping the run or pass, stopping teams on 3rd down, and special teams. Yet everyone blames the QB. The past two weeks you can’t play the position much better than Winston has and we lost both games. The only QB in the NFL who could out perform Winston the past two weeks with this OL is Rodgers. Make no mistake if our defense was even in the top 20 we are having entirely different season.
December 26th, 2017 at 1:01 pm
“The past two weeks you can’t play the position much better than Winston has and we lost both games.”
What’s the winning % when a QB has 3 fumbles? I bet it’s 30 or lower.
You aren’t winning many games turning it over 3 times in a games.
It’s a turnover league. Period.
We have Jeff George on our hands right now.
December 26th, 2017 at 1:04 pm
Eek you continue to show your ignorance. 10 minutes to play is an eternity in football. Thats not called salting the game away time. You know what is? When the offense scores with 2 minutes to go (crunch time/clutch time) to take the lead and the defense does not hold. Get a clue will you
December 26th, 2017 at 1:04 pm
Erik
Can you tell me where the defense ranks against the run and pass right now? That’s right dead last, ranked 32nd in the league against the run, pass and sacks.
I take it that you do not subscribe to the thought that the defense has to protect a lead when they have one?
December 26th, 2017 at 1:04 pm
@JabooBuc…Jameis has 15 fumbles (lost 7 of them) and 8 ints this year–so indeed, only 15 turnovers directly by him. Of course, since he’s out three games, that’s averaging well over more than one per game. So he’s still a fumble machine.
@Ndog…the last two games, certainly not mistake free by Jameis since again blew a chance to tie at the end…to go along with other mistakes made across the roster…but sure Jameis was much BETTER than earlier this year most of his 11 games where he shows regression. His whole body of work this year shows regression. Let’s see if he turns in three good games in a row to end it.
But his decisionmaking still lacks. Yes, take some risks, but he does it too much. That’s pretty widely known.
December 26th, 2017 at 1:08 pm
The anomoly
I always blame the qb for fumbles when he gets hit from the back because the oline cant block. Btw…. the bucs have given up 18 sacks the past 3 weeks. Sure lets blame winston. In the words of ronde barber on sunday…..you have to be a moron if you do not think jameis is a franchise qb
December 26th, 2017 at 1:08 pm
EEK,
The situation you reference let’s go through it. On first down run play loses 2 yards. On Second down bubble screen Julius Peppers jumps in the passing lane, Winston doesn’t force it thankfully (he’s learning) loses 2 yards. 3rd and 15 call it, slip screen to Brate out of the backfield. Missed FG. You literally blame Winston for that? I would certainly have no problem blaming Koetter for effectively taking the game out of his hot QBs hands and playing to lose, but not sure what you want from Winston there, he’s not calling plays.
December 26th, 2017 at 1:09 pm
#3 has improved somewhat in unloading the ball when the play is dead…at least when he can see the play is dead.
#3 has not improved at all in terms of that mythical NFL QB magic clock that sounds the alarm at 5 seconds and the QB unloads it. I do not remember the times I’ve counted and gotten way beyond 5 with #3 still hanging onto the ball.
He doesn’t have a feel for when the pocket HAS to be collapsing from his back side and that’s why he’s getting all these fumbles….the ball should have been LONG gone!!!!
December 26th, 2017 at 1:11 pm
Anomaly
Matt Ryan beat the Saints in week 14 20-17 after throwing 3 Ints.
That blows your argument out the water, not only did Ryan win after throwing 3 Ints but he won with only 20 points.
Your turn. Go!
December 26th, 2017 at 1:13 pm
17-27 thats all that matters. That is a LOSER by defintion. Yards don t mean spit its points that matter. It must really bother the losers so bad that you c9me to defend him so hard. Heres some solid advice to you bums. 1. Get a job 2. Get a life. Tberes is more to life than being a tick on Winstons scrotum.
December 26th, 2017 at 1:14 pm
do not remember the times I’ve counted and gotten way beyond 5 with #3 still hanging onto the ball.
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Funny I’ve counted how many times he’s had -sec or less to throw and I garuntee it’s far more than the 5 sec plays.
December 26th, 2017 at 1:16 pm
eric
Lol. You know you done fckd up right? Lmao. I’ll be back.
December 26th, 2017 at 1:17 pm
Koetter’s issue with continuously calling dumb stretch running plays inside the red zone is de to the fact that those plays destroy the our crappy defense in paractice – gives him serious false confidence.
Those offenses in 2000, 2001, and 2002 were practicing daily against one of the best defenses in NFL history – that certainly helps more than what Jameis practices against.
December 26th, 2017 at 1:19 pm
@Eric…”Glennon was throwing to Tim Wright and Tiquan uderwood and still scored more points. Not to mention he didnt have 3 years of starting experience and still produced more with so much less.” Can’t dispute facts. I differ with you on whether Glennon would have shined though…he never could extend plays, was immobile completely. He still can’t move. Winston can, but he does it too much at times and it gets him in trouble. There is a happy medium I think.
We have an article here about Winston…so when you comment on it, the pea-brains here pretend like you are saying Winston is the only problem when clearly that is not what you mean. Too funny.
December 26th, 2017 at 1:21 pm
No eric, it makes you look like a total idiot because its a team game. For all you jameis is inaccurate, he has a better completion % than russell wilson, matt ryan, newton, carr, mariota etc. The difference is these teams have better TEAMS. Hey, but you can continue to be an idiot and blame it all on the qb. You just add to the fire that tampa fans are idiots. Merry christmas
December 26th, 2017 at 1:26 pm
Roy t
The only pea brains are posters like you and eric because all posters like you and eric only bash winston for the record of the bucs. Thats what makes you and posters like him pea brains. Winston is the least of the bucs problem. If you or your pea brain boyfriend cant agree with that then that only validate my point
December 26th, 2017 at 1:30 pm
Calling Winston a loser is misguided. He didn’t start losing until he got drafted by TB.
The fact that you guys give a complete and total pass to the career loser gmc who has lead the last place defense for damn near a decade just proves how misinformed you guys really are.
Jameis could give us a 24 point lead and we’d still lose. And that is an indisputable fact!!!
December 26th, 2017 at 1:31 pm
For all of you fanboys and low football IQ stat readers, here’s a stat for you ; Fitz 2-1. Jameis 2-10
Garbage time yards and yards against soft defenses when a team has a big lead really do add up and make a QB and passing game look better than they are which makes everybody that knows anything about football know Stats Are For Losers
December 26th, 2017 at 1:36 pm
Winston is not playing to his ability
he has incredible talent and it seems he also has his teammates’ support
having temper tantrums and triggering not one but several personal fouls suggests room for growth
losing 9 straight starts is difficult to rationalize or understand given his incredible talent
team leaders including qb’s must learn to lead and this is not something he has improved on since his rookie year — agree his numbers and performance suggest net regression
December 26th, 2017 at 1:37 pm
Brianbucs
Another clueless poster. The bucs have been in every game but about 3 so there is no such thing as garbage stats when you have the lead in at least 4 games with 2 minutes to lose. There were no garbage stats during the monday night games against atlanta. No garbage stats when your kicker misses 4 field goals on thursday night football. Nice try though
December 26th, 2017 at 1:40 pm
Eek
Again if you think losing 9 straight is all on winston then there is no need to continue to argue with you. Mariota’s numbers are far worse and his team has won 8 or 9 games. Its more than a qb that determines an outcome of a game. Sorry u missed that
December 26th, 2017 at 1:41 pm
Easy fix put fitz in and trade Winston. See how that works out for you fckn idiots.
I always knew the public education system in the south was bad but there are poor homeless kids in developing countries that have higher IQs than you fckn imbeciles.
December 26th, 2017 at 1:44 pm
You are correct the Bucs D, special teams, and rush offense have regressed. Clearly he needs to lead them better that’s the definitely the issue. I mean it has to be his fault.
December 26th, 2017 at 1:44 pm
Roy T, so here’s the issue. You post that he’s had 23 turnovers when, in fact, he’s had 15. But within that 15 you have the examples like this past week. First fumble he was blindsided while throwing. Hard to blame any QB for that.
2nd fumble was a bad snap where the center literally hit his thigh with the ball. So Jameis gets blamed for that I suppose. Finally, last fumble he again was hit from behind while trying to make a play after his defense once again gave up a go ahead score and HE RECOVERED the ball.
So, it think most reasonable people would have a hard time faulting him for any of those turnovers unless you just really have it in for Jameis. So now his stat line would read 18 TD’s vs 12 total TO’s while playing with no running game and shaky at best pass protection. Oh, and he’s 23 and he’s been straight up balling the past couple of weeks.
Some of you people are crazy.
December 26th, 2017 at 1:46 pm
EEK, you seem so down of Jameis so why do you say he has “incredible talent”?
December 26th, 2017 at 1:48 pm
Roy T is just a racist hillbilly with nothing better to do but trash Young rich black professionals. Pnus envy for sure. #Mawa
December 26th, 2017 at 1:49 pm
Reposting since none of you anti-JW clowns want to address it. Just looking for an answer:
Jameis Winston has put this team in position to win at least 5 games in addition to the 4 the Bucs have won (NE, Buf, GB, Det, Car) and one could argue he kept us in the Atlanta game with a chance to tie. In each of those games the defense either gave up a game winning score or FG’s were missed that would have won (NE).
How is Jameis the problem again?
December 26th, 2017 at 1:51 pm
Blaming JW all u want but this is a Tampa Bay Buccaneers team we are talking about A franchise who has the worst historical win/loss in the history of the NFL. So I’m pretty sure w average common sense that is not the problem. Not even 1 percent of the problem. And if u think JW is somewhat even a slight problem then u need a pysche eval or u guys are brand new fans. We are worst overall than the browns. Go figure
December 26th, 2017 at 1:52 pm
55 is a racist
December 26th, 2017 at 1:56 pm
Lamarcus
Anxiously awaiting the day Jaboo leaves the meth capitol of the world. If it’s not meth it’s evangelical Christianity and I’m not sure which is worse.
These losers deserve to live in the basement of the nfl for the rest of their lives.
Do you know why evangelicals thrive in the south and are really seen up north? Yea, exactly.
December 26th, 2017 at 2:01 pm
Dirk runs a vertical offense, which is supposed to have a strong running game component – which we saw in 2015 when Doug and Simms were the top duo in all of football. However Dirk somehow has took that basic 80s offense and messed it up, like on every single 3rd and 3 when instead of being under center with a RB so you can at least threaten a run – Dirk instead always go empty backfield shotgun, removing the threat of the run – and Dirk then compounds it by making sure Simms is always the #1 receiver. Those are tells, and if you’re sitting at home knowing what us coming, then certainly defensive coordinators can do the same. In the red zone it’s the same issue – the play calling is entirely predictable and teams know what is coming. Plus you have garbage like Sunday when before halftime Dirk is more worried about letting the clock run out than he is getting the TD.
December 26th, 2017 at 2:03 pm
I do I absolutely hate dumb ass rednecks unless I’m laughing at them.
Friday night I was sitting a talking to someone when these 2 drunk country boys start talking chit. They had a lot to say until I stood up then they didn’t say anything in fact one tripped over himself trying to run from me. His girl embarrassed was apologizing profusely.
So yea not only are ya dumb af ya a bunch of p****sies too.
December 26th, 2017 at 2:03 pm
@Jaboo- I’m not an “anti-JW” guy but, I would argue that he is PART of the “problem”. In those games you mention, he also turned the ball over. In those games we kicked FGs instead of scoring TDs. In those games, the play-calling was atrocious.
I guess my point is that while he may not be solely responsible for losing games, he is certainly NOT without fault.
We have to get better as a T-E-A-M. That includes better QB play.
December 26th, 2017 at 2:05 pm
Here’s a fun fact – that I pointed out at the time when everyone on this message board was clamoring for Lovie to be tired so Dirk could take over – Dirk’s offenses, at Jax and ATL, they always start out great, top 7 in the league I believe (yeah in Jax he did that too), then they plummet downwards almost every year until he’s fired.
December 26th, 2017 at 2:05 pm
I am stating my opinion which is not a debate
Winston in my opinion is extremely talented and seems to have qualities that can allow him to win — he did so last year and was impressive doing so
this year it appears he has regressed and the behaviors — tantrums and penalties of passion — just don’t feel like leadership to me
it is not like we as a team are in a position to give up on him after 3 years and him being so young but there are some very worrisome signs that his behaviors that were red flags in college have persisted in his professional career
it is football and he is young so for sure there is hope but it is hard for most people to change and change is what I feel is needed for Winston to be the winner and leader we all are hoping for
December 26th, 2017 at 2:10 pm
DB and Jamesi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=18&v=5D7mbKui9j8
December 26th, 2017 at 2:13 pm
Oh and the bucs allowed pressure on 57% of jameis dropbacks but lets blame jameis for 9 straight losses
December 26th, 2017 at 2:14 pm
Altered
Yup that’s me and jameis. You got a problem with that?
December 26th, 2017 at 2:14 pm
Joe – Please ban anyone dropping the racist card.
It’s old. It’s immature. It also seem to be a select few. Start dropping the ban hammer. Thanks.
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Anomaly
Matt Ryan beat the Saints in week 14 20-17 after throwing 3 Ints.
That blows your argument out the water, not only did Ryan win after throwing 3 Ints but he won with only 20 points.
Your turn. Go!
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It’s not a one game sample. Are you educated at all? I am talking about historically… you have about 30% chance or less to win a game when you turn it over 3 times. I never said all the time. Do us a favor…get an education, get the chip off your shoulder and leave your deck of race cards at home.
Next!
December 26th, 2017 at 2:15 pm
^^
yeah lets blame it on coaching
December 26th, 2017 at 2:16 pm
55…nope you and Jamesi have the problems
December 26th, 2017 at 2:17 pm
Oh it’s not all the time. Stfu. I give you proof that you’re argument is garbage and you’re telling me to get educated? How dumb can you be?
I can name more examples of these same exact thing.
Can you name 1 instance where gmc stepped up and stopped ANYONE on the goal line to protect a lead and win a game? Come on name 1
December 26th, 2017 at 2:31 pm
@HAMSADWICHTIME … “Our D is pathetic and haven’t looked but have to believe big differential in time of possession. So I don’t believe offense is getting as many opportunities.” That’s total BS … as in ‘totally backwards’. Bucs’ offense is short-circuiting way too often, resulting in this below-average defense spending WAY TOO MUCH time on the field. We’re continually killing excellent drives with poor play-calling at the end, way too many turnovers and offensive penalties at the worst possible times. Those are the reasons we’ve had to settle for soooo many FGs instead of scoring TDs. Check and see how many MORE games we would’ve won this season had we scored just 4 more points (Hint: the answer is 4, making us 8-7 instead of 4-11). And had we scored 8 more points by scoring 2 TDs instead of 2 FGs? (Hint: the answer is 7, making us 11-4 instead of 4-11). AND WITH EXACTLY THE SAME DEFENSE.
So please, stop trying to pin this abysmal season solely on the defense. They’ve been the ‘Have-Me-Nots’ on this Bucs’ team for a number of years in terms of drafting and quality FA pickups. If you want a REAL target for your ire, don’t throw spears at Smitty the Scapegoat. Aim them at the Glazer Boys & Jason Licht … the Architect of this Train Wreck.
December 26th, 2017 at 2:32 pm
Crickets that’s what I thought.
Why don’t ya just stfu and appreciate the fact that you have one of the youngest and best QBs in the league.
Last yr it was that he is not as good as Carr or Mariota now you know and the numbers show that’s complete bs.
Earlier this year it was he’s not as good as Dak, Wentz or Watson until Dak lost Zeke and we learned how bad he actually is and the other 2 couldn’t finish the season.
I wonder what it will be next yr. truth is only Wentz is as good or better than Winston, that’s it. If Winston had the defense, running game and oline that Wentz has he’d be undefeated but pls let talk about 1st qrt fumbles, please.
December 26th, 2017 at 2:37 pm
Whoa Defense Rules, you mean the offense is ALLOWED to score TDs instead of FGs? That in games such as Sunday’s that TDs by the offense would’ve won the game?!
Don’t you dare divert the blame-game away from the defense!!!
December 26th, 2017 at 2:37 pm
Def rules
The d is ranked 32nd but they get a pass? And the 3rd yr q.b ranked 16th gets the blame? Fml that’s insane.
December 26th, 2017 at 2:44 pm
You up by 4 with 30 sec left on the clock. Make 1 stop and you win. Not to mention the def gave up 4 first downs on the final drive including 3rd&8, 3rd&10 and 4th&1.
Can’t say the def was tired cuz we virtually split time of possession.
Coincidentally when Carolinas defense gets on the field and needs to make 1 stop to win the game they manage to do it on the first play, none other than Kwann Short. Man he should be making 16 mil a year cuz that’s why you pay these guys that amount of money to make plays when it counts what a concept.
December 26th, 2017 at 2:44 pm
Bucsfanman: Not saying JW is not without fault. However, my point was that he has put this team in position to win late in games and his team has let him down. That means even with his turnovers and whatever else people want to say about him, his team was in position to win which is his primary job.
December 26th, 2017 at 2:47 pm
DB55- Look man, anyone watching these games with any sense KNOWS that we have MANY, MANY issues. We have a horrific defense, a bad o-line, NO run-game, bad play-calling, but on top of that we have a QB that doesn’t make good decisions at times. If you’re saying that Jameis has ZERO culpability then you are flat-out delusional. What makes it stand out, frankly, is all those other weaknesses.
Yes, if our defense made a stop when it counted every now and then we’d win more games. If our o-line blocked better, maybe Jameis wouldn’t fumble as much. Maybe if we had a run-game and decent play-calling we wouldn’t have to put the ball in the air 35+ times. Just as, maybe if JW didn’t turn the ball over, the defense wouldn’t have to defend short fields etc.
We are not good as a TEAM. Until we get there, we’ll be having these “spirited” conversations!
December 26th, 2017 at 2:47 pm
The anomaly
What’s ur point. The Bucs have a 38.9 percent chance to win any given Sunday so what ur historical view???
Yes the defense was a huge letdown to the offense and Koetter hismself as he stated on hard knocks that jw didn’t have to carry them anymore cuz “we have a great defense now”. Koetter was wrong so change of plans . JW continus to carry this poor team and defense doesn’t rule a thing in Tampa. Tampa being 4-11 is no accident.
December 26th, 2017 at 2:48 pm
I feel like 2 years from now you guys are going to start posting that the defense needs to protect a lead until then I’ll just have to smh at how incredibly slow some of you people are.
December 26th, 2017 at 2:50 pm
Run run pass run run pass run run pass run run pass
December 26th, 2017 at 2:56 pm
Bucsfan
Fair point. I just can’t understand how gmc can allow a paraolympian to run for a TD and not one person says jack.
Personally, I truly believe you can have 18 Ints but if you some how manage to get the lead with 3mins left in the game your ProBowl players need to make a play. Why isn’t this obvious?
Saying a qb has Ints is like saying a WR has dropped. Yea man it’s part of the game. Brady has thrown more Ints than TDs in the last 3 weeks, he’s won 2 of 3, is he garbage too?
December 26th, 2017 at 3:08 pm
DB55- NOBODY gets a pass, NOBODY, especially when your team is 4-11. Pointing to ONE aspect of this loss is faulty at best.
I could not believe that TD! Cam fumbles the ball, has time to scoop it up, he dusted it off than practically WALKS into the end zone. You say “where’s GMC?” I say, “Where’s the entire GD defense?”!!!! And that isn’t giving him a pass, that’s for real. How the heck does THAT happen?! Everybody KNEW what the play was. Cam, Cam or uh, Cam!
That TD and the ensuing Bucs “drive” embody the season for the Bucs. You can’t make that kind of stuff up, you just can’t!
December 26th, 2017 at 3:27 pm
Let me repost these stats again:
Jamies is the 10th ranked passer in the NFL with a passer rating of 96.5
Bucs are 4th in passing yardage
Bucs are 27th in rushing yardage
Bucs have the 27th ranked rushing offense
Bucs have the 31st ranked defense
Bucs have the worst ranked 3rd down defense
Bucs have the worst pass defense
Bucs have the worst defense in sack production
Bucs are 31st in punt yardage
Bucs are 31st in Kick off Return yardage
Bucs are 28th in Kick Return defense
Anyone that thinks Jamies is the problem is an idiot.
December 26th, 2017 at 3:30 pm
Just read the Stroud article claiming that JW may have squared off against Baker in the locker room after the game after seeing him smile following the loss. If true, he may be a damn hero in this town.
December 26th, 2017 at 3:33 pm
You say “where’s GMC?” I say, “Where’s the entire GD defense?”!!!!
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If you have the game recorded which I would expect all real commentors to do, go back and watch the tv replay. You see everyone on d defending their responsibility except 1 person. You clearly see this one guy lose his gap integrity get beat and commense to WATCH cam score. It’s almost like he didn’t want to get dirty.
Honestly I would cut his ass right after the game. If it happened once or twice that’s one thing but OCs are literally game planning to run the ball at gmc on 3nd&short as well as goal line situations.
After you watch the last play rewind to the :45 second mark where you’ll see the d hold them on 4th&1 (bad spot imo) with McCoy out of the game. Coincidence? I think not.
Swaggy’s off sides call had little to do with anything. If McDonald was in the game on the last play he would have held the line AGAIN. please go watch the tape and see for yourself.
December 26th, 2017 at 3:34 pm
Wausa
Yesterday they were 32nd. Did they improve in their dreams? Lol
December 26th, 2017 at 3:45 pm
Jaboo
Just read the article. I’d be more upset at ice cream McIceCream for constantly getting beat to his gap. And I found it ironic that they guy with the most offside penalties over the last couple of years throws a tantrum at Baker on the field. Like whatever dude you always jumping offsides and no one says a damn thing to you.
December 26th, 2017 at 3:48 pm
The one caveat to your assessment DB is Cam fumbled. By fumbling, it should have given extra time for defenders to come off their blocks to challenge the play. The fact that he stood there for an eternity tells me that we had ZERO penetration (GMC and d-line) and zero eyes on the play. Again I’m not deflecting. I know GMC got blown out of that play.
Your theory about OCs running at GMC is pretty spot on. I think the main reason is that if you get him sideways, it’s a clear path to the next level. And, he tends to get sideways.
Again though, you can’t put all of this on one guy or one side of the ball. We don’t score TDs on offense and we can’t stop teams from scoring TDs. It’s pretty much a wash. We stink!
December 26th, 2017 at 3:58 pm
True story.
One would think that a perennial pro bowler would be able to make that play especially since the dline made that exact same play 15 seconds prior but wtf dik?
December 26th, 2017 at 4:02 pm
DB55- Baker is trash and needs to be called out. I can tell you he was supposed to be on the field during the 3rd and short against Atlanta on their 1st drive TD but was on the sideline leaving the Bucs with 10. Bucs coaches were screaming at him after the play. And, he doesn’t seem to give a Sh%t.
However, that is on the coach. If that happens you bench his ass. Unfortunately, it sounds like Jameis is more apt to confront this mediocrity than this coaching staff.
December 26th, 2017 at 4:14 pm
I like turtles.
December 26th, 2017 at 4:37 pm
Jaboo
I wasn’t so down on Baker I thought he made good effort plays in the 4th against the run but if he’s laughing after a loss is that not just as bad as gmc taking selfies with Cousins after giving up a 24 point lead? Or being bffs with Brees? Or countless other bs he does?
December 26th, 2017 at 4:50 pm
@Wausa … “Bucs have the 31st ranked defense.” You’ve been buying into Joe’s stats too much Wausa. Bucs’ defense is ranked 24th in POINTS ALLOWED. That’s the REAL ranking not Yards Allowed. Just like POINTS SCORED is what REALLY counts for an offense, not Yards Gained.
Bucs are just as close to the other teams in the NFC South defensively as they are offensively … and by that I mean we’ve got quite a ways to go on BOTH sides of the ball to compete in this division. In terms of POINTS ALLOWED, Saints rank #8 (295 pts); Panthers rank #11 (305 pts); Falcons are also #11 (305 pts); and Bucs are worst in the division at #24 (358 pts allowed). The difference DEFENSIVELY from best to worst is about 4 points/game … the difference between a FG versus a TD.
Bucs are further away offensively in the division. In terms of POINTS SCORED, Saints rank #4 in the NFL (424 pts); Panthers rank #11 (353 pts); Falcons rank #15 (331 pts); and Bucs rank worst in the division at #20 (304 pts scored). The difference OFFENSIVELY from best to worst is about 8 points/game … the difference between 2 FGs versus 2 TDs.
So, how to improve in the division? Simple … score 2 TDs per game offensively instead of 2 FGs. Or on the defensive side, give up 4 fewer points per game by holding opponents to a FG instead of a TD. The NFL really is a game of inches and seconds. Little changes can make a huge difference.
December 26th, 2017 at 4:58 pm
DB55- I have no allegiance to GMC. End of the day, DLine needs to stop the run and pressure the QB. This line is the worst I have seen so I’m all for blowing it up.
December 26th, 2017 at 5:20 pm
The defense is on the field alot because they are allergic to getting 3 and outs. They are last in 3rd down conversions. Dont blame the offense for not scoring. Without looking at stats, i can guarantee you the bucs offense is not 1st when it comes to 3 and outs. The bucs defense is just horrible. How many times have the bucs pinned the other team down at the 2 yard line only to see the defense let them out of the hole in 1 play? Our defense is the reason they are tired because every team can generate long drives against them on the 1st drive in the 1st qtr, 2 minutes to go in the game or whether or not they are “tired”. The defense is garbage
December 26th, 2017 at 5:23 pm
Jaboo – For the record Dan Marino threw 68 TDs in his first 2 seasons/ 27 games whereas your comparing Winston who is at 68 TDs with one game to go in his 3rd season (54 games). The whole 24 years old thing is statistical garbage. Marino had 21 wins after his second year and Winston is on 17 after 3 seasons. Marino reached the playoffs his first 3 years too; and one SB.
Winston is not Dan Marino. Please do not compare them. Marino is HOF. Winston is not and its not even close.
JabooBuc Says:
December 26th, 2017 at 10:50 am
Roy T Buford- where are you getting 23 turnovers vs 18 TDs from? Please quote your source.
Also, as a frame of reference, Jameis will more than likely break Dan Marino’s record of 68 TDs thrown before turning 24. Currently tied. Also most like to have fewer INT’s. Just sayin’.
December 26th, 2017 at 5:34 pm
I agree with Webster. I was looking at the numbers yesterday and the Bucs ranked 32nd in every major category.
December 26th, 2017 at 5:39 pm
More like Dirk Koetter’s offenses don’t score points. That’s kind of been it’s m.o. over 10+ years in 3 different places. The best one he had was the first year after he took over for Karl Smith in Jacksonville. Then it went to hell. Same in Atlanta. They rack up yards and don’t score in the red zone. Sean McVey is showing you that play calling matters like a lot.
December 26th, 2017 at 6:08 pm
DoNuts: i will compare Jameis to Dan Marino as I believe he will also have a HOF career and will win championships, something Marino was unable to. I’m a Marino fan but think Jameis will prove to be the better all around player.
Dan joined a stacked Dolphin team which is why he was drafted at the end of the draft and why they had immediate success. He also played for a HOF coach and staff. Jameis has not had that luxury. He was drafted by a bad team that has already gone thru a coaching change and likely to have another after this year.
The comparison by age is relevant because it shows the success he has had playing in the NFL as a QB is only rivaled by a very small number of amazing QBs. It also shows the potential that is available to this team provided we have coaching that can take advantage of his talents.
December 26th, 2017 at 6:49 pm
For the less educated…
“the importance of winning the turnover battle has been remarkably static throughout NFL history. Last year, teams that won the turnover battle won 78% of their games. And from 2007 to 2016, teams that won the turnover battle won 78% of their games”
Game, set, match. JW turns the ball over way too much. Yes, we need help in other areas but the fact remains that JW HAS TO TAKE CARE OF THE PIG SKIN.
It is FACT.
Thanks.
December 26th, 2017 at 7:14 pm
Well then I suggest ice cream McIceCream starts causing some fumbles. LVD can’t do it all and I didn’t pay you a million dollars a week to get a meaningless sack in the second qrt.
Defense wins championships.
– The less educated.
December 26th, 2017 at 8:14 pm
Ndog are you kidding?
one of the Jameis was was against Mike Glennon and Da Bears. How many times did Glennon turn the ball over? Yet he threw 1 TD. Rodgers scored, the they had to settle for Field Goals. And oh ya. The defense scored!!!
December 26th, 2017 at 8:14 pm
^wins
December 26th, 2017 at 9:48 pm
Ndog, Wausa…preach. Great fact based posts that also pass the eyeball test. Winston has problems but putting his team (team) in position to win ain’t one of them. Leader, competitor and franchise (I didn’t say elite) Qb who is and will continue to be the best we ever had. Stick with the course and Bucks can be good for years to come. Cater to the tears of a few vocal posers and we will never get what we all want…wins.
December 28th, 2017 at 1:35 pm
I dont understand all the GMC haters, the man is a fine football player .One of the best at his position.he has alimited surrounding cast and the problem as i see it is all these haters still have the image of Sapp burned in their memories.Warren Sapp Was a once in a decade player at his position and he had help.Get off Mccoy!Haters !