“I Absolutely Stand By What I Was Told By Several People Informed Of The Situation”
December 14th, 2017
Arrows keep flying at the head coach and his QB
Dirk Koetter and America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, claim NFL Network super insider Ian Rapoport spread a steaming pile of BS about them to the nation on Sunday morning.
Today, Rapoport doubled down on his claim and shed more light.
For those unaware, Rapoport, via a mystery source, said Sunday that there is tension in the Koetter-Jameis relationship because Jameis thinks the playcalling is too predictable and Jameis didn’t “feel fully supported” by Koetter during his injury, in terms of how it was portrayed publicly.
Rapoport’s comments made Jameis look like 2-year-old with a full diaper. Clearly, whoever planted this information with Rapoport was either out to get Jameis or was out to weaken Koetter but was extraordinarily stupid in his/her approach.
Today, Rapoport was interviewed on WDAE-AM 620 and insisted Koetter and Jameis are “not in a good place right now.” And he added that his report didn’t come from just one person tipping him off.
“I absolutely stand by what I was told by several people informed of the situation,” Rapoport said.
The “several people” angle intrigues Joe. Still, Joe is very suspect of the report. And shame, shame on Rapoport for not including a comment from anyone associated with the Buccaneers in his report, or even some form of a “no comment.”
That omission either makes Rapoport look like a sloppy, biased or slimy reporter, or it means he got the info from someone inside One Buc Palace.
Rapoport went on this morning to say his various league sources, including people he just talked to at the December NFL owners meetings, believe coaching is the issue in Tampa, not the general manager.
“I think very, very few people think that Jason Licht is the problem there. Obviously, it’s not perfect,” Rapoport said.
“When people look at it around the league, they believe it’s more of a coaching issue than a personnel issue, and that there’s more than enough talent there to thrive.
December 14th, 2017 at 9:22 am
Where there is smoke, friction, there is fire…my bet is Jamesi running his bad mouth to friends and word get back channeled to reporters
December 14th, 2017 at 9:23 am
obviously fans or media haven’t been watching on hard knocks to see once between practice sessions a tift …(one of em) and dirk and jameis
Koetter said ” you think your a smart @ss….you know its not cute its getting old” something to that nature
but its on there , and he didn’t say it jokingly
probably thinking this guy is smiling cause hes not gonna be gone if he doesn’t perform this year …..I AM
December 14th, 2017 at 9:28 am
“Rapoport’s comments made Jameis look like 2-year-old with a full diaper”…
JW’s actions vs. the saints is what made him look like a 2 yr old. It’s the rep he had coming into the league and he has continue. Need to bring in Gruden or Mcdaniels asap and get JW turned around.
December 14th, 2017 at 9:31 am
On field play that included some of the same old bad “rookie” decisions. Accuracy issues. Lack of connection with DJAX. No this year is not all on Jameis. But he clearly has his share of responsibility as do the coaches and rest of the team.
But Jameis is starting to scare me. There’s the afore mentioned on field issues…now we have another sex allegation to deal with and possible suspension…and then to finish it all off a controversy with the HC.
I don’t know who is planting this stuff…or their motivation…what they hope to see happen. But I do know this is horrible for Jameis rep. We have the bad decisions and accuracy issues on the field…the sex charges off the field…and now the implication of a “coach killer”. I’m not sure it’s not that last bit of reputation that isn’t worse for his career than the Arizona stuff.
December 14th, 2017 at 9:33 am
God whoever wrote this article is clearly a shill for Dirk.
December 14th, 2017 at 9:34 am
My guess the rumors are coming from Jameis’s camp and they are dumber than he is….thinking it will shift the blame of 2017 unto Koetter or anyone other than #3
December 14th, 2017 at 9:35 am
Joe you are naive on this subject. It is well known throughout One Buc that ever since Hard Knocks and Klueless Koetter was shown talking down to JW that it didn’t go over well. You can say what you want but people ‘in the know” in the building have told me that its not repairable from JW”s side. Koetter has been walking around with his dumba$$ big stick mentality just because he won 9 games last year and became drunk on a little power in the building. He isn’t what he seems and his assistant coaches and staffers are seeing through it.
If Jameis is really so hurt because he didn’t like the way his coach talked to him, then Jameis is the problem and the Bucs should start thinking about a new QB. –Joe
December 14th, 2017 at 9:39 am
>>> “I think very, very few people think that Jason Licht is the problem there. Obviously, it’s not perfect,” Rapoport said. <<<
And there is the culprit. The rats are beginning to jump ship. All for one and everybody for themselves.
December 14th, 2017 at 9:40 am
Jameis wont kill the 3rd coach…..they’ll either work well or Jameis will be gone.
I’ll continue to say, if the Bucs plan to make a true solid hire this time, that coach will demand final say. Licht will be a talent evaluator and contract negotiator but he wont be building the roster and Winston wont be protected any longer. If I’m the next coach, i draft a young QB high and make it the best man survives scenario. Multiple teams have gone this route, the 49ers had Montana, added Young. Packers had Favre, added Rogers. Seahawks signed the QB from the Packers but still drafted Wilson, Cowboys had Romo, still drafted Prescott. Patriots had Brady, still kept drafting and let go of a guy that looks legit. Keep the pressure on to perform
December 14th, 2017 at 9:43 am
All this shows is koetter is not a leader of men
He is soft, emotionless and wishy washy twit
You cant have that in the new nfl and millionaire entitled players
You need a emotional disciplinarian leader like gruden ….than only then will they respect you
Koetter will be out of the nfl next year
December 14th, 2017 at 9:43 am
Well anonymous sources are having a bad week. Could be fake news but I believe Rapsheet.
December 14th, 2017 at 9:44 am
You don’t get to a place where the entirety of the national and local media and all of the fans are beside themselves about the potential the team has if the GM didn’t do a good job of stocking the cupboards. Granted, the pass rush has been abysmal. No one can deny that and no one can act like there weren’t opportunities to address it this offseason. We’ll call that a miss. But the macro view of the team says that the talent is there to thrive.
It’s unfortunate because Koetter is a guy that you want to like. Unlike Schiano and Smith, who were difficult to get excited about and the losing only exacerbated that, Koetter is a guy that I know that I wanted to be the guy. It just hasn’t happened that way. If people around the league are saying that the team is too predictable and that’s backed up by the reported rift between Jameis and Koetter, there needs to be a change. It would be one thing if it could come down to a conversation and an understanding about needing to adjust course, but we’re 13 weeks in and they’re just now figuring out that Martin isn’t a starting RB. I hate to make the comparison, but that’s a Lovie Smith level of stubbornness and arrogance about one’s system.
I was excited about the Koetter/Smith pairing because I was under the impression that both were good at taking the talent they had on the team and molding a gameplan based around that. To date, I’ve seen that from neither side.
December 14th, 2017 at 9:46 am
An offensive head coach and his QB are going to butt heads. If they didn’t, it would be more worrisome. We are losing and they both haven’t performed up to expectations. They should be pissed at each other, as well as themselves. There’s a ton of frustration. If they were getting along great, that would be an even bigger problem. The big problem is that Koetter hasn’t been able to develop Jameis. I don’t think the offense we run works with our personnel either. There are so many deep routes, but we can’t protect. As a result, Jameis tries to do too much, and bad things happen.
December 14th, 2017 at 9:47 am
If his sources were actually other players or their camps, he’s not going to rat them out
December 14th, 2017 at 9:50 am
What Hawaiian said ^^^
December 14th, 2017 at 9:50 am
Nothing slimy about it, give me a break.
December 14th, 2017 at 9:51 am
IMHO Jameis is an EMO. Ruled by his emotion and singularly unable to remain cold and calculating under duress. His fumbles and INTs are indicators of a panicked QB, ‘trying to make a play’ when a more poised QB would fold up the play and move on to the next down. DK is not without blame, either. Koetter’s lust for explosive plays should be be tempered by moving the chains, even if that means only a two yard gain. Constantly launching ICMBs downrange is low percentage mentality. Long, sustained grind-it-out drives suck the lifeblood out of defenses. Instead of missing on a haymaker, why not connect a few well placed jabs. Sugar Ray Robinson wasn’t successful because he knocked people out in the ring; he won by outscoring his opponent with blindingly fast gloves, landing combo routines with certainty. Similarly: when the bullets are flying, I’ll take a solid hit from a 22 over a loud miss by a 44 MAG any day.
December 14th, 2017 at 9:57 am
Nobody gets along with each other when you lose……..when you win everyone is happy
December 14th, 2017 at 10:00 am
Bobby M, in case you haven’t noticed this team has major problems on the defensive side and the OLine could probably use some help. Therefore, to waste a high pick on a QB would be truly idiotic. Off the top of my head, the defense has lost 3 games (Buffalo, Green Bay, Detroit). Zero pass rush has to be fixed ASAP.
However, what I would want to know is if, behind closed doors, the players believe in Jameis. Do they really believe in his ability to lead and in his talents? I’ve noticed things this year that would lead me to believe there are doubts. This to me is the case to bring in a Gruden or a coach like Gruden with success and status in the NFL. Someone that isn’t tied to Jameis and will call him out if he’s acting like a horses ass.
I still believe he has something and can be very successful in this league
December 14th, 2017 at 10:01 am
The chances are clearly fairly high…better than even…that either one and/or both Koetter and Jameis won’t be around next year, at least IN THEIR CURRENT CAPACITY. Much depends on if Licht is around, depends on if the Glazers really want to clean house again after two years, and how the Glazers feel about Jameis.
If Licht is around, Koetter would be the first impacted. He may get told to relinquish play calling and be told he’s got one more year. Or he may get fired outright. I really don’t believe the Glazers want to start over so quickly…again. It goes much deeper than what we know and see. And no Rappoport doesn’t have access to this kind of info either.
Whether Licht is around or not, and Jameis is believed to be or proved by the NFL to be truthful (“innocent”) on his Uber escapades, Jameis will still be the QB going forward. For at least a year or two. If he’s not found or believed to be forthright IN ANY WAY, and if the Glazers have lost confidence that Jameis as the face of the franchise, the Bucs will be in the market for a new franchise QB but will keep Jameis for another year at least. And he won’t be up on the wall at the RayJay next year though he may be on the roster.
Neither Koetter nor Jameis have any chips to play for the future, and especially not against each other. Any rift they may have is really irrelevant. And any factor in the past for Koetter being kept or being hired at HC to start with due to Jameis is not a factor anymore. Dirk and Jameis have both regressed without any good excuse at all.
If Licht goes, all bets are off. ALL BETS.
And any new GM or HC is going to be wary if their QB is a guy who may be suspended for 2 or more games next year. If the owners don’t believe in Jameis as “the guy” anymore, they will not pass up a promising GM and/or HC in favor of keeping Jameis. I can’t emphasize enough If the Glazers feel the need to clean house starting from the GM, and they don’t trust Jameis, and he’s not shown enough on the field, they won’t build the team around him.
The timing for all of this is terrible for all sides. The ticket-buying fans are the ones who suffer the most.
December 14th, 2017 at 10:07 am
Ian Rapoport is correct far more than he’s incorrect. I have little reason to believe he has it wrong with this story.
December 14th, 2017 at 10:11 am
Jenna Laine also reported that she has talked to several sources AND defensive assistants from teams that the Bucs have played this season that said the Bucs offense is very predictable and read like an open book. If that is true that also points back to coaching. I’m not one who wants to change coaches every 2 years (except for Schiano l thought he was a bad hire from the start) but I’m starting to lean towards Koetter may be a guy who is better suited as a coordinator where he can strictly focus on the offense with someone else above him instilling the right attitude in the team and making the tough decisions.
I also think the jury is still out on Jameis but would like to see him under a different coach before coming to any conclusions on him at this point.
December 14th, 2017 at 10:12 am
The fad in the nfl is how to be like or be the next philly or the la rams
Glazer boys will get a breakdown on how,why and what is the difference between koetter and those 2 teams
Son of Kobe Faker
December 14th, 2017 at 10:19 am
Misjudging our defensive talent is the biggest crime this team has /no turnover’s on def / very few sacks / offense has to drive the field on most scoring plays / lack of confidences team wide / coaching
December 14th, 2017 at 10:22 am
I agree with most of what you said JimBuc2.
I will admit I don’t watch a lot of the Bucs’ pressers but I did catch JW’s about the rift with DK and I found him to be rather idiotic and highly unbelievable.
Most of us long time fans are leery of giving up on JW because we’re scared he’ll go somewhere else, get coached up and shine.
I don’t think that will happen though because I really believe JW is a mental midget.
I’ve tried to get onboard with him but I just don’t see him ever getting past his mental shortcomings and poor decisions on and off the field.I
Someone mentioned his game against Oregon the other day. That was the first time I really watched him…….I wasn’t impressed.
Then he got into it with Jumbo and I thought…….really? This guy is kind of a joke.
He never looks like he is in full control of the offense and his emmotions.
December 14th, 2017 at 10:23 am
How about Winston blindsiding his coach about the sexual assault allegation… Is Winston wantedly repeating the stupid mistakes to derail the coach.. Some things to think about
December 14th, 2017 at 10:23 am
If the system is holding everthing back, why did the backup QB have a higher points per game avg ( that is even without counting coming in at the Cardinals game??????? The Bucs have put up 30 and/or over Twice and it was when the Backup QB played??????
Play calling my azz!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 14th, 2017 at 10:28 am
All I have to say is you can say this makes Jameis look bad BUT the truth is the coach did not express what he saw behind closed doors for Jameis to even attempt to play. The way he spoke made it sound as if he was perfectly healthy and his play just sucked, which was not even close to being true. You could tell his throwing motion was off and different than normal to compensate for the pain. Heck on one deep throw he tried to make that went way out of bounds you can see him use his entire body to get the ball downfield that normally is a flick of the wrist for him. When your coach is putting it out there that you are just not playing well (which is what he did by not painting the entire picture) and lets the media, fans, etc… tear him apart for not playing well how do you think anyone would react? I am tired of everyone acting like these guys are robots when in reality he was pushing through pain when he should not of to be there for his team so he should have been praised but instead, due to his coach not being transparent, was ripped. Boy I am surprised he was not happy about that, SMH.
December 14th, 2017 at 10:29 am
@The Buc Ostrich
Because he started against 2 garbage teams?
You sheepish Koetter shills are so amusing.
December 14th, 2017 at 10:34 am
StPeteBucsFan Says:
December 14th, 2017 at 9:31 am
On field play that included some of the same old bad “rookie” decisions. Accuracy issues. Lack of connection with DJAX. No this year is not all on Jameis. But he clearly has his share of responsibility as do the coaches and rest of the team.
Well stated StPete! This is the sentiment that most rational Buc fans have. There are very few who suggest that Jameis is entirely to blame. However, to suggest that Jameis doesn’t have issues is putting the blinders on. I’m looking at you TDTB!
December 14th, 2017 at 10:36 am
Joes — here’s a novel thought — quit giving this thin, no source sensationalist any space on your website. Quit talking about it. You blathering on about it three times a day is why guys like Rappaport are able to make news out of nothing.
December 14th, 2017 at 10:36 am
@realist
fitz faced to teams that are just as sorry as us….when he faced a real defense vs the falcons it was the same ole story…..starting slow…predictable play calling….another blow out….fitz barely put up 20points vs the jets and fins….fitz took a huge “L” vs the cards and bills….nothing special there…..the coaching is holding this team back!!!!!!…SIMPLE AS THAT!!!!!!…..GO BUCS!!!!
December 14th, 2017 at 10:39 am
If Jameis gets a suspension to start next year then the plot really thickens!
Even if it’s only four games no HC is going to want to head into the season writing off 4 games to a backup. There will be a QB competition. And I tend to agree with Bobby. I would not mind having another QB in camp. #3 has shaken my confidence this year on and off the field.
Competition may be what #3 needs.
December 14th, 2017 at 10:39 am
Well Realist if you actually watch the games you would realize that we scored 27 points in the 4th quarter alone and Patrick Peterson was out of the game so that had nothing to do with the QB vs ARZ. And the Dolphins game we score over 30 because our kicker actually made kicks and we got 5 turnovers one in which our Special Teams scored a TD. So the offense only accounted for 23 points sir, but again don’t let the facts get in the way of your agenda.
December 14th, 2017 at 10:47 am
or it means he got the info from someone inside One Buc Palace
^^BINGO^^
I believe rapoport…..I think he did his due diligence and people on the inside have confirmed what fans on the outside already knew…..Winston evans and others are feed up with the poor coaching….
and as he also reported, all that “we have no talent” excuse is out the window….as many expected, “coaching is the issue in Tampa” not licht….poor coaching will make the best of the best look bad….GO BUCS!!!
December 14th, 2017 at 10:47 am
@The Buc Realist
Because the backup played against Miami and the New York Jets which shouldn’t be confused with New Orleans, Minnesota or Carolina. Fitz did a great job managing the game and not making and stupid mistakes but didn’t do anything great.
Jameis was hurt the 2nd drive in AZ and if I remember correctly AZ started the game with the ball and went right up the field and scored and did the same thing on the 2nd and 3rd drive.
December 14th, 2017 at 10:51 am
Lets face it Koetters offense is predictable and in this age of high powered offenses ours cant seem to get in the end zone. Not recognizing Peyton Barber is your best back, not having your team work hard in training camp, a failure to instill discipline after the New Orleans game or even admit it could have been handled better. Koetter has major issues and is starting to remind me of Raheem letting players run the asylum. Gruden is that answer its fairly clear.
December 14th, 2017 at 10:53 am
Another thing on the Jameis injury I remember and have a screenshot of a tweet from Joe where Jameis was seen with an ice pack on his shoulder prior to the AZ game but I never heard anything else about that. Was there anything more to that story or was it just soreness after the Minnesota game?
December 14th, 2017 at 10:54 am
Palace intrigue is a sign of a dysfunctional organization.
If there aren’t some major changes come 12/31 at 5pm, season tix renewals will tank. Attendance has been miserable enough as is.
December 14th, 2017 at 10:55 am
StPeteBucsFan Says:
December 14th, 2017 at 10:39 am
If Jameis gets a suspension to start next year then the plot really thickens!
Even if it’s only four games no HC is going to want to head into the season writing off 4 games to a backup
plot doesn’t thicker one bit….fitz just went 2-1 when pressed into duty….a new competent HC will have all offseason to come up with a game plan for fitz during those 4 games….he’s a seasoned vet that has played in just about every offense….
a new HC would have no problem with this situation because it wont be a surprise….he’ll go in knowing that theres a chance the qb that gives him the best chance to win may be missing for the first games…..no biggie….CHARGERS started 1-4 this year and now their the best team in their division….GO BUCS!!!
December 14th, 2017 at 10:57 am
Really think J. Mcdaniels is the guy for the job. He went 8-8 w/ freaking K. Orton.
Has the greatest teachers in Hoody & Brady and has had a couple seasons since the Denver days. Everybody in the world is better at something the 2nd time around……including “THE HOODY”
December 14th, 2017 at 11:03 am
Other than the biased name callers ….there are some insightful posts on the thread….kind of what the internet sports forums used to be like….Roy T Buford !
December 14th, 2017 at 11:08 am
Hey, we wouldn’t even be seeing articles like this if all those shots down the field had connected more often. Like, half of the time. Maybe even a third.
December 14th, 2017 at 11:19 am
Dirk koetter is a sorry excuse of a head coach and this site continually comes out in favor of the coach over the player. There’s nothing about this quarterback at any point in his entire formation career that said he was soft or sensitive…. You can look at dirk and see he doesn’t have the fire this kid has and maybe that’s the problem. I think it’s true but like Winston said so what, we all see it we all complain about it and joebucs are the silly ones thinking it’s not a big deal to critic play calling and decision making but it was ok to do that to Lovie Smith? There bias is real and your continuing to try and convince fans they don’t see what they see. It doesn’t matter whether you think dirk should stay another year or be fired, we all think the offense is predictable, we all thought Winston was too hurt to play so how do you think his camp felt? No one comes out in year 3 to suddenly not be able to do something that every draft analyst out there said is what he would do which is push the ball downfield. Something is going on which is why he’s forcing it
December 14th, 2017 at 11:25 am
Reality is JW has one more year on his rookie deal,,so he’s here at least one more year.
My guess is they bring in a new HC at minimum, to see if the problem is the HC or JW. My take is that they are both bad..
What cracks me up is all the JW apologists. If you’ve been a Buc fan for any length of time, you have seen plenty of bad QB play, over and over…So why does JW get a pass? Like Roy T. Said ” after three years he is somewhere between a starter and a capable backup”. That is not any where near good enough for an overall#1 pick. Again, Buc fans KNOW bad QB play, whether they want to admit it now or not.
December 14th, 2017 at 11:29 am
JW has 2 more years on his nookie deal…
December 14th, 2017 at 11:30 am
Just getting a good morning laugh at all the commenters and their “theories” on how Jameis has been running his mouth to friends… hilarious.
No one would listen to Jameis friends and a guy like Ian R. wouldn’t even give full weight to anything that came from an agent. It would have to come from either the exact parties involved OR someone who works with and is affiliated with the parties involved on a daily basis.
the most likely scenario… and this is coming from a guy who worked at NFL network in a creative capacity for years… is this came from from someone affiliated with ownership or the front office to pave the way for Koetter’s firing. The owners always want to do things that align with what the public wants. It’s so much easier for them to make a move like that when it is supported by the majority of public opinion. One way to sway that piblic opinion is to leak stories such as these.
December 14th, 2017 at 11:31 am
This is not FSU. Here you have to try and win despite Winston and the defense. You are seeing the result.
December 14th, 2017 at 11:37 am
Again, the I fully believe the GLAZERS leaked this information. Think about it, he was at the NFL owners meeting in December. Both Licht and Gruden have the same agent. If the Glazers really do want Gruden back then they are more than likely creating a scapegoat to fire Koetter. If the Glazers were smart they would keep Licht and hire Gruden.
December 14th, 2017 at 11:41 am
This is all about losing.
It started in the 2nd game when the Buccaneer defense and its coaching staff were shell shocked by the Vikings and have ever since literally been suffering PTSD all season long.
Despite some obvious offensive shortcomings – particularly in the scoring department this year – the Buccaneers would have a winning record and still be in the thick of the playoff race right now if the defense had just done even an adequate job of stopping opposing offenses during crunch time of the Bills, Packers and Lions games. And that’s aside from getting throttled by the Vikings, Cardinals, Saints and Falcons so far…
“Complementary football” (which the offense absolutely needs as long as the Oline’s run blocking sucks and lack of RB firepower exists) has been conspicuously absent in 2017 and the Defense is the consistent and repeat offender.
Now that the kicker problem has been solved (and that did 100% cost us the Patriots game) – the Special Teams are playing fine and doing their job. Offense has played well enough to win in more games than not this season. Defense has played very badly in and basically lost us at least 7 games so far this year.
Defense is the problem.
2 good DEs and one above average CB (assuming Grimes comes back) would get the talent level close to where it needs to be on the Defensive side of the ball.
Sounds simple until you remember that this team has only managed to find 1 good DE in 10 years – whom they proceeded to let walk out the door in favor of Cheeseburger Bowers…
December 14th, 2017 at 11:47 am
Jameis has 1 more year with a option for a 2nd. Them they can franchise him another and now you have 3 years for a new coach to work with him before you sign him to a 2nd contract.
December 14th, 2017 at 11:55 am
^^^^^^^
Exactly Dewey..thanks!
December 14th, 2017 at 11:59 am
Jameis won’t be here for a second contract simply on playing ability …
December 14th, 2017 at 12:03 pm
Well all I know is I’d agree about the offense being predictable. My brother and I can typically nail it whenever we know Koetter is going to run the ball unsuccessfully. Literally called it out at least 3-4 times before the play would happen last week – and each run went for 0-2 yards as predicted lol.
Realist it’s pretty disappointing you’re not keeping it real right now lol.
For one you say “not counting the cards game” then you count the cards game to say we’ve put up 30+ twice with the backup QB.
The cards game was garbage time points; and featured a defensive score.
The Miami game was Fitz’ only decent game; and he only threw 2 Tds.
Despite facing much worse opponents for 2 weeks; and Arizona in garbage time; Winston still has about the same TD:INT ratio, a 63% completion vs 59% for Fitz; and almost averages an entire YPA better (7.5 vs 6.7 YPA).
By every metric he moves the ball more effectively than Fitz and scores at the same rate; despite having faced much better defenses in that time.
That’s keeping it real man.
December 14th, 2017 at 12:07 pm
Please don’t use Fritz as a standard for comparison….pick elite QB’s….that is the standard a #1 overall QB pick is measured by
there is NO hope in football
December 14th, 2017 at 12:08 pm
Licht IS the problem!
December 14th, 2017 at 12:20 pm
Jason licht has loaded yhis team with talent on offense and hasnt even gotten started on defense but Mike Smith is going to make the glaziers clean house of a good future head coach and a good general manager
December 14th, 2017 at 12:23 pm
Mike Smith’s defense schooled Lovie on that national TV game 56 to something before easing up
December 14th, 2017 at 12:26 pm
@BucemUp…
Licht did start building the defense. Two years ago, he drafted an undersized, slow CB. He gave into the pressure of drafting a Florida St kid. A pass rusher would have made more sense. Then a kicker with a 2nd round pick that he traded up for???
Last year he drafted yet another TE with his first pick. A Tight End? Really, he couldn’t see a more pressing need?
Players don’t get a lot of chances to mess up, why should a GM?
December 14th, 2017 at 12:28 pm
Licht is the leak based on the quote “personnel isn’t the issue it’s coaching” All you Dixie boys blaming Winston are ridiculous. Plus why be surprised at Licht? He back stabbed Lovie and now he’s throwing Dirk ( rightfully so btw) under the bus to save his job.
December 14th, 2017 at 12:40 pm
back stab Lovie….Bwhahaha….Lovie and Leeman will go down as the 2 worst Buc HC’s…..Charlie Batch torn up Lovie’s home openers….I walked in that day so excited and full of optimism….and out utterly depressed ….
December 14th, 2017 at 12:51 pm
AlteredEgo I’m not the one bringing up Fitz. It’s in response to another poster.
There’s a reason there are only a handful of “elite” QBs hence the word “elite”. Rodgers / Brady are probably the only 2 I’d think could push for playoffs on any team… and Manning before he retired. I actually may only just say Rodgers as Brady has been in the same system his whole career and with his lack of mobility he couldn’t go to a team with a bad O-line that ran a deep drop offense. He’d be f*cked and probably injured in 4 weeks.
So if your standard is Rodgers/Brady then get ready to be super disappointed all the time. Let’s go down the list of all the next best guys:
Drew Brees – awesome QB. Hadn’t made the playoffs in years though before this season; and is only going to the playoffs because of their improved defense and run game.
Matt Ryan – this dude had a 4 win season just a couple years ago; and has had a lot of clutch failures in big games.
Cam Newton – actually pretty terrible as a passer. Outside of his MVP season has been mediocre to bad as a passer; and lives off his unique running abilities.
Ben Roeth – very solid QB but misses 2-4 games every year; sucks on the road; and has been on one of the best franchises in the NFL since his career started. He’s never been on a bad roster or had to deal with anything like what we have in Tampa.
Russel Wilson – dude’s balling out this year; but has always had a top 5-10 defense in PPG allowed. If we allowed the same PPG on average as Seattle; we’d be 9-4 based on the amount of points we’ve scored each game this season. Seriously. 9-4. That’s how important defense is. RW also has 20 turnovers this year in 13 games.
Matt Stafford – solid QB but has had some down years mixed in with the good. First 2 years were weak but he blew up in year 3 while healthy. However: Stafford year 4 = 20 TDs to 20 Turnovers
Stafforrd year 5 = 29 TDs to 23 turnvoers
Stafford year 6 = 22 TDs to 18 turnovers
By the fan’s standards here we would have run Stafford out of town over those 3 years lol.
Kirk Cousins – Very solid and probably soon to be in the top QB category – but he has yet to win a playoff game.
Derek Carr – hmm wtf happened to this guy this year? People here were anointing him early too. Not having a good year – at least no where near how well he played in 2016. 18 TD to 10 Int vs 28 TD to 6 Int the prior year.
Alex Smith – career of mediocrity/being a check down captain before being put in the right system now in the later years of his career. Still relies on a short passing offense with little risk.
Philip Rivers – solid QB but has never won anything big; and been on a ton of teams with horrible records.
As for the Carson Wentz / Jared Goff / Deshaun Watson’s of the world – let’s give it some time. Goff looked like the worst QB in the league last year. Look what coaching and an easy offensive system can do while playing with a really good defense.
Wentz has looked legit to me. But he also plays on a stacked team with a top 5 defense (19 PPG like Seattle) . He also just tore his ACL and has yet to play in a playoff game and won’t this year.
Watson looked solid but we’ve seen the same thing with RG3 in terms of a rookie QB catching the league off guard. Let’s see it for 3-4 years and playoff pushes before we annoint.
Basically the point is – there are huge flaws you can find with most every QB you may think is “really good” or “elite” beyond Aaron Rodgers or Brady. All of them have had bad or down years for the most part. All of them have sucked when their teams were bad pretty much. Football is a team game.
December 14th, 2017 at 12:51 pm
Son of Faker
Gruden a leader of men? Did you forget he lost the locker room? How well did he handle that Keyshawn issue? He just made him sit the bench the rest of the season and never even explained it. I also remember Sapp piping up about the offense not pulling their weight. Lol
There were just as many issues under Gruden. But, we were winning.
December 14th, 2017 at 12:51 pm
“was extraordinarily stupid in his/her approach”—well, that little nugget from Joe has “Jameis” written all over it!
December 14th, 2017 at 12:52 pm
Who gives a sh*t, really?
Neither Coach nor QB has impressed anyone this year with more tools at their disposal than most.
This season has been an utter failure of epic proportions and everyone’s a** is on the f**king line.
There should be “rifts”, there should be “arguments”!!!!
It’s a sh*t show!!!
Hell, I’m looking for someone with some b*lls to step up and start b*th slapping someone on the sidelines!!! Show some fire!!!!
Instead one of our leaders is crying because he got injured and will probably last three games of an already wasted season.
Give me a f**king break with this p*ssy filled team!
December 14th, 2017 at 12:53 pm
Don’t for get Gruden’s evaluation and treatment of Mike Alstott
December 14th, 2017 at 1:05 pm
AE – you meant to say Mark Alstott I assume
December 14th, 2017 at 1:06 pm
So you folks blaming Jameis and putting your faith in Koetter are ok with him playing Doug Martin last week over Peyton Barber? Also think about it, the running game just started to click, hey that is right when we stopped playing musical LG’s every flipping series (this was only because of injuries not because he figured it out finally). This is the same guy that you think should be responsible for teaching our young franchise QB? Yeah it is all Jameis fault and the offense it great with Koetter. You people cannot see the forest for the trees, SMH. Oh don’t forget rotating safeties and not playing McDonald over Baker and calling a toss pitch from the 2 yard line and … should I go on?
December 14th, 2017 at 1:06 pm
Espn just ranked coaching vacancies from 1st to 10th. We were 9th so if Gruden doesn’t want it, good luck finding someone else. The article breaks down the qb’s and compares jameis to bortles… here are the stats since 2015
Jameis Winston 60.3% 7.4 2.9% 1.56 86.2 54.8
Blake Bortles 59.1% 6.8 2.6% 1.77 84.0 49.3
Now I know lordcorneilius can show each Jameis turnover as the fault of the reciever, the weather or the uniforms but the bottom line is too many turnover and he seems to be the same guy he’s always been. In the nfl, you can say the qb “overcame is earlier turnovers to take the lead. We have an average d that gives up 24 points a game and Jameis can’t get us in the endzone. We are 23rd in points and we have more weapons than most. Josh freakin mccown has like 20 tds and 8 picks. Do you think he has a nice roster? I’m afraid if we fire (when) Dirk… who would want the job. What’s the selling point?? The weather and no state income tax? I don’t think we need to replace Jameis but to say we know for sure he is going to be an elite Qb is crazy. Now the excusses to why he’s not are elite. If we get the right coach, he might be.
December 14th, 2017 at 1:08 pm
I am really starting to like the idea of Josh McDaniels to coach this team and just keeping Licht on board to do what he has been doing. The question is who would they get as a d-coordinator?
December 14th, 2017 at 1:12 pm
Notions that bad info was “planted” by the owners are laughable. This isn’t Jerry Jones or Tom Kraft style (or lack of). These owners typically don’t ever talk about players themselves, but if they are done with Jameis, they would make a statement to the effect that he’s not the best option to lead their team going forward with what they want their franchise to be. And they wouldn’t say boo about Koetter or Light…they would just bring in the new guys and thank the ones that left. That said, they KNOW RIGHT NOW I think if they want Jameis as the guy. But there is time to the point that they don’t have to say anything. If they get a new GM, they’ll make him answer the questions in due time. And you can bet question #2 to any interviewee would be “What do you think of JW and should we keep him as our QB, and the face of our franchise? If yes, why? If not, what are the options you would explore in proceeding forward in the coming months? Next season? In the next 3-5 years?” I would not be surprised if any info game from a coach assistant or other locker room access person who overhears stuff and is just conversational about what he hears. Again, it doesn’t matter if Jameis and Dirk are having problems or not.
December 14th, 2017 at 1:13 pm
Who cares who was playing QB ….we are a losing (team)…as in all 53/men on the roster….we craped on LOVIE after 2 years …I guess it’s time to take another crap…unload from the BACK-STABBER THRU THE ALL/WORLD STAFF DOWN TO THE WATER BOY! COACH K YOUR TIME IS UP!! TAKE A KNEE KEEP AMERICA FREE!!! GLAZERS PULL OUT THE MEAT CLEVER!!
December 14th, 2017 at 1:13 pm
Of course there is a rift between Koetter and the human ATM (America’s turnover machine). No matter how hard Koetter stresses to protect the football, Jameis continues to make crucial, game costing turnovers. There is also plenty of blame on the defensive side of the ball to go around. Zero pass rush and absolutely nothing to show for the few moves to upgrade our non existent pass rush. The Bucs gambled “All in” when they drafted the human ATM. His propensity to turn the ball over is not new and it’s not going away anytime soon. If the Bucs vaunted offense under Koetter could score more touchdowns (that’s not all on Jameis), it wouldn’t matter as much if we turned the ball over a couple of times a game. The Bucs are not good enough to overcome crucial turnovers because we most often are coming from behind and can’t mount a serious ground game to control the clock. It’s not rocket science folks. The Bucs can’t block consistently (o line not good and takes way too many stupid penalties like offsides and holding and hands to the face), defensive line can’t get enough pressure on the qb. Defensive backs don’t or can’t play tight man coverage because the opposing qb’s have time to pick them apart all day. Special teams play has been sporadic with the early trouble with the kicking game which has gotten better but too late. No deep threat because Jameis has either no time to throw or overthrows or underthrows every deep ball. Plenty of blame. Koetter is toast if we finish on a 6 game losing streak and Jameis goes 2-11 as the starter. Mike Smith is gone for sure no matter what happens. Licht may or may not survive this nightmare season. Fans don’t deserve this $hit sandwhich and deserve a full refund. Go Bucs!
December 14th, 2017 at 1:19 pm
Tampa doesn’t deserve Jameis just as Orlando didn’t deserve Shaq and Miami didn’t deserve LeBron … you guys deserve Dilfer, King, Simms, Freeman, Glennon, etc … please, by all means trade Jameis to aa real organization like the Broncos, draft Josh Allen or Baker Mayfield and have fun going 16-48 over the next 4 years, just like you did the 4 years before Jameis was drafted … and enjoy watching Jameis win an MVP and a ring with Elway in Denver.
December 14th, 2017 at 1:22 pm
When you’re 4-9, a lot of people are scheming to save their jobs. It’s my belief that Jason ‘Backstabbing” Licht is the culprit behind this great divide. Why Licht goes silence when the Bucs are losing? But when they are winning, he’s the center of attention. Even jumping into pools in his Italian suits.
December 14th, 2017 at 1:28 pm
Rob you say Koetter says to Jameis to cut down the TO’s but has he done as a coach to actually help him? Talking is one thing how about putting him in better positions to succeed like not calling a playfake rollout on 2 & 9 that we (and every other team in the league) has seen a 100 times that calls for the best option to be to throw it away to create 3 & 9 with 2 backup OLine men. That play was so predictable the LB was waiting for Hump to come across the formation and that DB was sitting on D-Jax to “run” that come back route. Jeesh help the guy out some and maybe you would not have some many forced throws.
December 14th, 2017 at 1:40 pm
Nflnut
I think I luv you.
December 14th, 2017 at 1:41 pm
No one has said anything about Brady who argued with his O/C on the football field. So what if they have a rift.
December 14th, 2017 at 1:41 pm
Ndog. I too am extremely disappointed in the coaching staff. I don’t think the playcalling has been good enough and you are right about our predictability. The underutilization of our tight ends, Brate and Howard especially, is unforgivable. Why can’t we hit Jackson on a slant just about any time we want to? He is fast enough to get open when he makes the cut every time and that is a potential huge play every time. I cannot for the life of me understand the number of boneheaded holding and offsides penalties our offensive line makes either. Good God, you should not jump offsides when you know the snap count. As for holding, we can’t block so we have to hold right? Jameis has to eat the ball more often instead of trying to throw the ball out of trouble which is what gets him into trouble. Jameis also stares down the receivers and don’t think the dbs don’t recognize that. I think Jameis can be a superstar, but the turnovers are remarkable to say the least. Go Bucs!
December 14th, 2017 at 1:42 pm
ndog….you the difference between you and me ?…..if Jamesi proves to be be everything he was drafted to become I’ll admit I was wrong….if on the other hand Jamesi becomes a bust you’ll never admit that you were wrong
December 14th, 2017 at 1:48 pm
“Hawaiian Buc Says:
December 14th, 2017 at 9:46 am
An offensive head coach and his QB are going to butt heads. If they didn’t, it would be more worrisome. We are losing and they both haven’t performed up to expectations. They should be pissed at each other, as well as themselves. There’s a ton of frustration. If they were getting along great, that would be an even bigger problem. The big problem is that Koetter hasn’t been able to develop Jameis. I don’t think the offense we run works with our personnel either. There are so many deep routes, but we can’t protect. As a result, Jameis tries to do too much, and bad things happen.”
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Welcome back Hawaiian!
December 14th, 2017 at 1:59 pm
DB55 … back at you bro … we can only hope that some of these posters start thinking for themselves, rather than letting the lazy and idiotic media think for them … the world would be a better place if there were more people like you and I, hahahahahahhahahaha
December 14th, 2017 at 2:01 pm
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The media spins things whichever way they want to … I’ve already shown that Jameis first 40 NFL starts blow Roethlisberger, Brees, Brady, etc., out of the water and are even slightly better than Peyton Mannings … the media could use those same stats but as they want to spin the narrative that Jameis is a huge gamble for the next Bucs coach, they compare him to Bortles … it’s all very transparent and rather silly … but the dumb public laps it up like dogs.
I guess I’m just not dumb enough to let the media think for me … I wish everyone could say the same.
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December 14th, 2017 at 2:05 pm
Damn tiggers are more trouble than they’re worth, amirite?
Has there ever been a black q.b that the media didn’t go after? Hmmmm
December 14th, 2017 at 2:07 pm
Not true AlteredEgo as I was dead wrong on players like Peter Warrick, Jared Goff, RGIII and Jameis clearly needs to improve but what you people don’t seem to get is that if it were up to you Peyton Manning who have been given up on in Indy and Troy Aikmen would have been given up on in Dallas and Drew Brees would have never come to NO. You see it takes more than one player to be great it takes those around him to help them improve. Right now we have a 23 year old QB who needs help and the first thing you guys want to do is kick him to the curb. Well I got news for you whoever they bring in next would need help to and if they don’t get it odds are they will look exactly the same.
December 14th, 2017 at 2:11 pm
^ You’re talking to AlteredEgo who seems to have no common sense … your words may be wasted.
In loonie land Drew Brees suddenly got better this year, despite all the stats proving he was far better in the previous 4 years the Saints missed the playoffs) because the Saints are going to make the playoffs and wins are all that matters … loonies don’t seem to comprehend that NFL football isn’t tennis where the QBs play 1-on-1 against each other … loons.
December 14th, 2017 at 2:21 pm
So it’s Winston fault for all the Tennessee ready games that dirk has had?
Bottom line for the glazers is looking at the first game of Winston career going against mariotta when the coaching staff was smart enough to ease him into the game by doing what he felt comfortable which allowed him to shred us like every rookie quarterback does, they’ve never done that for Winston and if case keenum can revive his career with a new coach so can Winston.
Dirk is coach my scheme type coach like Lovie, scary play it safe play caller just like Lovie and just like Lovie unqualified. Get a real defensive coach in here that will get an offering coordinator that can Devote all his time to the offense
December 14th, 2017 at 2:23 pm
ndog….Manning…Aikmen…Brees…early days never had accuracy issues…sure they threw INT’s not understanding what the defenses were doing to their heads….none had accuracy throwing the football where they intended to throw it…next game watch #3’s footwork throwing the ball…10 -3 o’clock feet position all arm throw, often across his body…. his mechanics are a mess…he has been coached properly….game time Jameis goes into sand lot hero mode
December 14th, 2017 at 2:26 pm
NFL Nut
That’s the most intelligent thing you have said on this site. Welcome to the real world. Stats are for losers
December 14th, 2017 at 2:27 pm
I hope Koetter, Smith, and Licht get one more year to show their stuff with some better talent on the roster. However, some of the other coaches need to be let go and Koetter needs to relinquish the duties of offensive coordinator. We’ve had some close games, with better talent those games probably go our way.
December 14th, 2017 at 2:27 pm
Altered wants and expect jw to be an mvp candidate can’t blame him for that I guess.
There are no other qbs with better stats than jw except for Wentz. Which imo is the only young q.v. that is equal to or better than jw.
Just call me when jw gets a defense and a running game like Wentz has.
Thank you – this just in – in honor of GMC’s decision to play on mnf OBP will be giving out candy cane ice cream cones to all fans. Just go to the gate and ask for the gmc candy cane ice cream with rainbow sprinkles and tutti frutti toppings.
December 14th, 2017 at 2:31 pm
Altered
He’s playing scared behind the line that’s why his mechanics are shot. Dude has been getting violated behind that line for 3 years. Every game he’s limping and for at least 2 games he couldn’t throw bc of his shoulder. Excuses excuses I get it but it boils down to Pavlov’s dog homie. Classical conditioning. You get hit 100x and see if you not running scared.
December 14th, 2017 at 2:37 pm
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BrianBucs,
You’re a LOON … in your warped world goverened by low-football-IQ, Case Keenum has been a “better QB” than Aaron Rodgers simply because he has a higher TEAM winning percentage … you’re a loon.
The “stats are for losers” line is what garbage players who happen to be blessed to play on great TEAMS that win say … it’s nonsense.
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December 14th, 2017 at 2:37 pm
In order for a young QB to be successful, he has to have these three things:
1. A good line to protect him
2. A good running game to take some of the pressure off of him
3. A good defense to keep him from having to do too much.
Look at the young, successful QB’s right now (Wentz, Dak, Goff, Watson, etc.). They all have these things. Does Jameis have even one of those? Absolutely not.
No one is saying Jameis is free of blame. However, he doesn’t have the help he needs to be successful. How can you even entertain the idea of getting rid of a record-setting QB until you give him what he needs to be successful? I simply don’t understand the logic. You don’t get rid of good players simply because the role players around them aren’t pulling their weight. No, you get rid of the crappy role players and replace them with better players. It’s really not that hard.
December 14th, 2017 at 2:46 pm
If Jameis Winston does not “feel fully supported” by Coach Koetter, what makes anyone think that it will be any different with Gruden? I love Gruden and think that he is a great coach, but he has a reputation for being two-faced with players.
December 14th, 2017 at 2:52 pm
The thing that’s annoying about Jameis haters; is they act like anyone supporting him is trying to argue he’s the perfect QB who makes no mistakes.
Most of us are simply saying that we think he’s still a franchise QB that we can win a lot of games with; if we had just a decent team around him. That’s it guys.
1. It’s a fact that throughout Winston’s career we’ve had one of the worst defenses in the entire league; and a pretty terrible run game outside of 1 season; while playing some of the more difficult schedules in the league in the best QB division in the league. Oh and some of the worst O-line play in the league in that time as well per PFF.
2. It’s a fact that he’s already set franchise/NFL records and has pretty damn good numbers relative to most franchise QB’s or QB’s in general their first few years.
That’s the bottom line for most reasonable people.
Now the Loons read this and think I’m giving “excuses” as to why I think he’s some b4dass elite QB that will win 10 super bowls and hasn’t done it yet.
That’s not what I’m saying at all. No one is saying that. So stop acting like that’s what you’re argue-ing against. You look like idiots.
December 14th, 2017 at 2:57 pm
Ok altered completion % in their 3rd year in the league:
Winston: 62.6%
P. Manning: 62.5%
Troy Aikman: 65.3%
Drew Brees: 57.6%
Yeah you are right these guys were crazy accurate in their 3rd year. In case you can tell Jameis is number 2 in the list of highest completion % in year 3. And yes all 3 of the above mentioned are hall of famers.
December 14th, 2017 at 3:02 pm
Koetter is a dead man walking.
December 14th, 2017 at 3:03 pm
^^^ I’m not making excuses but we’ve had one of the worst defenses in the entire league, a pretty teribile run game, a difficult schedule, oh and one of the worst o lines in the league according to pff.
OK, good, i’m glad you aren’t making excusses.
December 14th, 2017 at 3:10 pm
What’s Aaron Rodgers’ excuse for only having one ring, the same amount as Trent Dilfer, despite playing his entire career for one of the best organizations in the NFL?
Does he suck? Should the Packers trade him? Are “stats for losers” and since he hasn’t one a ring in forever, he should be run out of Green Bay?
At Jameis’ age Rodgers was sitting the bench with a clip-board in his hand … R-E-L-A-X
December 14th, 2017 at 3:11 pm
Of course its coaching. If anyone thinks licht has no input on his picks from the coaches theyre way off. Licht picks players based on the bucs systems, sometimes the coach might even pick the player. Theres no way lichts dumb enough to take a corner at 11 overall if he knew how he would be used. The defense theyre trotting out every week is set up flr success IF the 4 linemen get pressure. Smith is too stubborn to change. He should know by now unless he blitzes he isnt getting pressure, but he doesnt! Ive never seen coaching this bad and Ive been a bucs fan since day 1. Theyre doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. We all know what that makes them.
December 14th, 2017 at 3:11 pm
Phil Says:
December 14th, 2017 at 3:02 pm
Koetter is a dead man walking.
^^BINGO^^
GO BUCS!!!!
December 14th, 2017 at 3:14 pm
I’m not a Jameis hater, I’ve been dying for a franchise qb since Doug left when I was a young kid. Since then nothing except I was happy With Brad Johnson. No one wants him to grow more than me but he looks the same as he always has… can make great plays no one else can when the pocket breaks down but a poor deep ball, and bad decison making and accuracy issues. I’m not saying hes bad, I’m just saying he’s not progressing and next year will be make or break. Yeah, he could grow to be Rivers or big Ben or he may take the Jay cutler path. Blake Bortles looked terrible, but when you give him the best d in the leauge, a great line, and a great run game… he looks pretty good. That’s kinda what Jameis looks like now and all his supporters seem to echo the same thing… yeah, just make everything really good around him and he will be great. Thats hard to do. Guys like rivers, Drew, luck, brady, cam ect have at time taken average to below average rosters to the playoffs. Jameis can’t do it now, but hopefully sometime
December 14th, 2017 at 3:15 pm
Has anybody asked Ronald Darby what the truth is?
December 14th, 2017 at 3:21 pm
The biggest issues I have with the entire coaching staff is their inability to coach talent not system (can’t adjust) & not evaluating their best players available (loyal to a fault). Here’s some examples: 1. Godwin is clearly the 2nd or 3rd best receiver on the roster…he should have been playing in 3 WR sets & DeSean to the slot at minimum. Humphries is a security blanket with little upside who can’t put pressure on the middle of the defense (seams or crosses) but the coach is too loyal to recognize. 2. Martin ran for 1,402 yds TWO seasons ago. He’s either hurt or running complacent. Barber is hungry & should have been given opportunities much sooner & worked in for series all season. 3. OJ is a matchup nightmare, leave him on the field as much as possible in 12 personnel or as the starter. 4. Chris Conte is the worst FS in the league, Evans should have been starting game 1 with Ward playing SS. 5. Bobo Wilson might be unproven but at least give him a shot over no upside Reedy. Bottom line acoach isn’t a coach if he can’t develop talent & adjust during the game. After 2 seasons the team lost confidence in his leadership & started trying to do too much.
December 14th, 2017 at 3:30 pm
Ronald Darby has the playoffs to prepare for, talking about an uber ride is probably the last thing on his mind right now.
December 14th, 2017 at 3:31 pm
Mike N … I am NOT someone who says Jameis needs everything around him to be great to be a good QB … Jameis is a top 10 QB right now, as-is, on this horrible Bucs team.
In his 7 healthy games, he is #1 in the entire NFL in passing yards per game with a 14/6 TD-INT ratio which is outstanding.
Jameis is not Dak, Mariota, Bortles, or any other QB that needs an infinite amount of help around him to be “good”, but he’s also not Aaron Rodgers right now at 23 years old either … nor should anyone expect him to be.
What Jameis’ supporters are saying is that if you expect Jameis to experience a wealth of TEAM success, then this TEAM needs to be upgraded in a major way … that’s just common sense.
Some of the greatest QBs who ever lived never won a ring while garbage QBs have won rings … Jameis doesn’t need anymore than he already has to play 20 years in the league and shatter the all-time passing yards and TD marks by the time he’s done ala Marino … but he needs a lot of help if you want him to experience a great deal of TEAM success … that’s all his supporters are saying, and many of the loons don’t get it.
December 14th, 2017 at 3:51 pm
“Jason licht beer doesnt have a contract(no more money after this year)…he is making moves to not get fired”
Son of Kobe Faker
December 14th, 2017 at 3:56 pm
What if we sign Kirk Cousins to a 1 year deal and see what he can do with what we have while JW watches and learns. We spend the draft on D and a RB, maybe sign a RB and an O line player to help us out.
Let JW play a few games after watching a little and just compare the two and make a decision by the end of next season….big decision! Whether or not hes going to be worth a 100+ million $ contract.
If it doesnt work, keep Kirk trade JW and draft another QB in 2019. Its not likely we’ll be in the playoffs next year anyway, well unless Kirk plays well and our D is fixed…….i dont know, just thinking.
December 14th, 2017 at 4:16 pm
Why would Kirk sign a 1 year deal with us when he can easily sign a 4+ year deal worth a ton more money?
December 14th, 2017 at 4:19 pm
When you have Coach Koetter stating (on camera) during Hard Knocks that this is the most talented roster he has ever coached, as well as the most talent Tampa Bay has ever had….
Well that put Koetter squarely in the cross hairs when the blame game begins and it looks like round one started last Sunday.
I think Licht is better at drafts (please spare the 2016 draft class banter) and Gruden is better at FA acquisitions.
That’s a good combination if you ask me.
December 14th, 2017 at 4:29 pm
Thats right ian R..Double down on your reporting. Hell, our lyin president got everybody doubling down and harrassing women! The Prez does it..So can we!!
December 14th, 2017 at 4:44 pm
Buddy who is your source? You best friends with Licht or something. Talking out of your a$$ but say it with conviction lol!
December 14th, 2017 at 4:50 pm
And right on cue Mike N literally does exactly what I’m making fun of lol..
Can’t make this sh1t up.
What is his point even? He literally ignores the entire central argument I made.
Let’s talk about excuses for a second though and clear this up further:
“Excuse: 1 -attempt to lessen the blame attaching to (a fault or offense); seek to defend or justify. 2- release (someone) from a duty or requirement”
I’m not doing that. All I’m saying essentially is – I am fine with Winston going forward as the Bucs QB based on his play and here is my rationale for that using information and context.
I’m not defending or excusing an interception, a fumble, a missed open WR, or really anything.
I’m not excusing any of his bad play. I’m saying it is what is f*cking is – and that is good enough for me to keep him as our QB; based on my knowledge of the league and QBs in general – while inserting statistics/facts/etc to back up that perspective.
I’d think that’s pretty f*cking reasonable.
Someone could want Winston gone and present their arguments that same way – and while I may disagree – I would at least respect their approach to forming an opinion.
December 14th, 2017 at 4:53 pm
LOL @ Altered!!!!! Another poster just talking out of his a$$ again. Nice work ndog proving he doesn’t know what the hell he is talking about.
December 14th, 2017 at 6:10 pm
I must say this has been an interesting thread. I had decided a few weeks ago to stop reading the comment threads here but then I realized that I was just being an Ostrich. Nothing to be gained from that. 🙂
December 14th, 2017 at 6:13 pm
Just based on the players on the roster and how they are/aren’t being used on game day suggests to me that the coaching staff and GM aren’t on the same page.
Considering the offensive roster, the lack of production is insanely damning for Koetter and staff. It’s inexcusable really.
On defense, I think it was obvious in the offseason that Licht was trying to bring in multi-scheme players and was probably told by the coaching staff that they knew how to use them, which is obviously now looking untrue.
Here’s the thing, this roster should be better than a four win team. Kicking game and defense be damned, the offense should have been good enough to carry them in alot of games.
It’s either coaching or its QB, or its both.
December 14th, 2017 at 6:49 pm
Jameis is so bad he won a national title, and Heisman. How have the Noles been since Jameis left? You really think he can’t play, but Koetter can coach, and Licht is a drafting genius? Please, Koetter, and Licht are gone. The Bucs will side with their 23 year franchise They’ll gladly pick up his fifth year option, give a real coach, hopefully Gruden a chance to get the most out of him. If he improves slightly they can still take the wait, and see approach by franchising him. You don’t side with a first time 56 year old H.C., in this case.
December 14th, 2017 at 6:52 pm
I hope the Glazers are aware of what the league talk is about the problem not being with Jason Licht. He’s worth keeping.
December 14th, 2017 at 6:57 pm
Lord… in no way would I want jw gone. You would be crazy to want him gone. He’s just been bad and a lot of the reason he’s been bad is him.
December 14th, 2017 at 7:00 pm
@Dad, my hunch is we will be able to use him more than just one year. Four, well thats according to how he does. Maybe try a two year deal that way it also gives him a chance to see if he likes where hes at. I dont know, he probably wouldn’t even consider us.
December 14th, 2017 at 8:47 pm
Honestly, I’d party like it was 1984 (just not Orwell’s 1984) if the Bucs get Bruce Arians as their next head coach … I am a massive Arians fan and feel he’s the second best coach in the league behind only Bellichick … though this McVeigh kid has been incredibly impressive and may be the new guru …
I love Gruden and Harbaugh too and I’m a fan of Josh McDaniels play-calling but I’m just 100% all-in on Bruce Arians …
December 14th, 2017 at 8:54 pm
The final quote of the article sums up our situation nicely IMO.
There is enough talent to win………and there is no excuse for this offense to be struggling so miserably. How do we resign Doug, spend big money on DJax, spend big investment in O.J. and also bring n another recieve4 and runner in the draft and manage to get worse on offense? How?
If the GM made all of these choices to appease his coach then the coach needs to get the eff out of here. If the GM made these decisions because this is how he builds a team then fire his ass.
Somethings got to give here. This team not only flat out sucks we can’t even compete with any decent team or any team in our own division. This team was built to win with offense…….it’s not working, not even close…….We got you a franchise QB, a big money RB, two high profile receivers, two very capable TEs, a Oline that has been heavily invested into…………These guys can’t produce an above average offense with all that? That just means they don’t know how to make it work. Figure out whose behind these awful decisions that’s ruining this offense and get them out. They are bad at their job, that’s the truth.
Forget the defense…… blaming the defense here is just turning a blind eye to how this team was built. They are built to win with offense which they haven’t done in two years…….If the defense was the only hole here I could understand letting this thing play out but it isn’t. We are a bad football team in every aspect of the game aside from kicking……..Somebody in the front office has been ruining the talent here for two years. Anybody thinking they finally get it in a third year has no foundation for their opinion.
December 14th, 2017 at 9:13 pm
^ I don’t blame Licht at all.
I’m not saying he’s a great GM but I don’t think he’s the problem. His 2015 draft was amazingly good and his 2017 draft looks like a very good one as well … he blew the Aguayo pick and Spence has been injured but other than that he’s been quite good.
Gruden himself said that if just a couple of plays went differently the Bucs would be an 8-5 team and he may be right, and if he is right, one could make the case Koetter deserves another year, or that Koetter should be fired ASAP and Gruden hired as Chucky would actually have them at 8-5 right now …
But, no, I don’t think Licht needs to go …
December 14th, 2017 at 9:28 pm
I don’t think Licht needs to go either. But I could certainly see how one could say that.
But at the end of the day something needs to change because this offense has been built for four seasons now and is not capable of winning us games.
Personally i blame DIRK. He took over a top 5 offense and we are even worse now after two seasons. The only winning this team does is when the defense leads us. I cannot think of one reason to believe this offen will start performing at a high level next year level year which should be the only thing that’s thing so keeps DIRk here.
December 14th, 2017 at 9:40 pm
NFL Nut
Do you actually ever watch real football or do you just spend your time on the geek stat sheets and playing Madden? You seem to know very little about the REAL game and how it’s really played. My guess is that you have never actually played organized football, maybe no real football at all. If you want to come on sites like this and trade posts with adults you should familiarize yourself with the real game and how it’s actually played because right now you are just making yourself look silly and juvenile. You can see real NFL football on Sundays, mad Monday and Thursday night’s. Or you can catch some games on this thing called the NFL Network.
December 14th, 2017 at 9:47 pm
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BrianBucs … you’re clueless.
I have probably forgot more about football than you’ll ever know and you’re childish posts prove you have no facts or truth to stand on as you can’t refute a single thing I say.
As for playing the game … I played DE but only on the high school level (one of my teammates played in the NFL) … I played basketball on the college level and could have played soccer on the college level as well, however one does not need to play NFL football to know how to evaluate talent or to know simple math and how to figure out how much of an impact a QB has on the game.
I have read many of your comments and have yet to see even one that was worthy of being written … you haven’t added anything of merit imho to this forum yet, though I hope that changes in the future. For now, I would suggest you go through the archives and read my posts along with posts from LordCornelius and DB55 to at least gain a little wisdom and knowledge.
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December 14th, 2017 at 10:02 pm
Can we trade Winston for a 1 and 2? The offense may very well be predictable because he can’t avoid the stupid mistakes. Plus, he has a possible suspension looming in the horizon.
I think Koetter should get a 3rd year. But I think it will come down to whatnthe Glazers expected this year and if they see incremental improvement.
If they were thinking like Dumig and Chris Landry, they knew the team wasn’t going to be a contender this year, so Koetter would be safe.
If, however, they bought into all the BS spewed by the national media, then Koetter is gone.
December 14th, 2017 at 11:47 pm
NFL Nut
Like I said before, video games don’t count.
Just coming here and posting stats shows absolutely no knowledge of the game. Watch some history of the NFL and some of the guys that are in the Hall and see what real QB’s look like.
Way too many fanboys and stat geeks on this site now. They cloud up the real football followers.
December 15th, 2017 at 12:32 am
NFL NUT,
In your opinion, do you believe JW would be a better QB if He operated a west coast offense?
I’m sure you realize that if the team adopted a west coast base offense the bulk numbers/stats you refer to, frequently, would decline. Is that idea at unsettling to you?
December 15th, 2017 at 4:52 am
Hawaiianbuc you said it in a nutshell