Plenty To Blame
December 11th, 2017
Not the lone culprit. (Photo courtesy of Buccaneers.com.)
It wasn’t just America’s Quarterback.
That’s the word from Jenna Laine of ESPN. She monitored all the plays, dug through all the stats, talked to connected parties. No, she’s not giving Pro Bowler Jameis Winston a pass, not in any way.
However, Laine said, too many Bucs players played sloppy football to help Jameis overcome his gaffes.
It wasn’t just on Winston. At the end of the first quarter, Howard fumbled a 21-yard catch at the Detroit 17-yard line that was recovered by Diggs. Running back Doug Martin, who had a 1-yard touchdown run in the first quarter, fumbled on third-and-1 late in the second quarter when the Bucs were at the Lions’ 23-yard line with a chance to tie it up just before halftime.
Folks like to point to Jameis as the next Brett Favre, a supremely talented but wild quarterback that needs to learn how to harness his skills. The difference is, Favre won games. Jameis isn’t there yet.
And to be more specific, last week Jameis gave the Bucs a lead over the Packers in the fourth quarter, and yesterday overcame his errors to tie the game late in the fourth quarter, but the Bucs are simply not good enough yet to overcome Jameis’ reckless ball protection. That’s why his mistakes are so magnified.
December 11th, 2017 at 3:28 pm
This is the ONE phrase that says it all:
“Bucs are simply not good enough yet to overcome Jameis’ reckless ball protection.”
BINGO!
December 11th, 2017 at 3:32 pm
Jameis continues to be Jameis and that might never change. This team has an uncanny ability to find ways to lose. If theres a big play, there will be a holding call. If theres a wide open reciever, the ball will be underthrown. The d will play great and the O won’t execute then the O will execute and the D can’t stop them.
December 11th, 2017 at 3:35 pm
Let’s talk Djax! Wtf is his problem? If you look at the long ball that was thrown to him early he doesn’t even bother trying to make a play. The ball literally bounced a half yard in front of his foot. If he just stretches his hands out he makes the catch much less if he tries dare I say diving for the ball.
Then out the out route he doesn’t even bother fighting for the ball. He feels the defender on his hip and sits there watching the ball get picked.
COME BACK TO THE BALL DJAX, fight for the ball djax, make a play for the ball djax.
The worst part is that this has been going on all season. He don’t even block. Barber broke a long run and if Djax would block his guy barber walks into the end zone.
So why does Koetter insist on forcing the ball to Djax. IMHO there’s nothing Djax brings that Godwin can’t do better but wtfdik.
December 11th, 2017 at 3:35 pm
@bucfanman… bingo is right. Assets are usually deployed more on one side of the ball. The O should carry this team but thats not the case. We are only averaging 20 points a game and have only broken 30 twice. The offense has to protect this average d instead it makes life hard by turning it over and not producing.
December 11th, 2017 at 3:36 pm
“The difference is, Favre won games. Jameis isn’t there yet.”
For sure. No one would care about the turnovers if we were winning. What’s odd is he almost never has turned the ball over late in the 4th in a close game – or turned it over in a key situation that single handily lost us the game on its own.
He’s been robbed of 3-4 wins this year alone by the defense and kicker. Not just games in which the defense played bad – but games in which he had us in positions to win late. You could say that about a a good chunk of games his prior 2 seasons. On a good team that was coached well he’s easily a good enough QB to win and get to the playoffs.
Howard was definitely held on the one interception. It was a very clear defensive holding; and it looked like Winston threw it that way just expecting an obvious call. He should have just sky’d the ball in the direction so it wasn’t catch-able – that’s the lesson to learn there – but the idea to throw it to where he saw his guy being held is actually a typical savvy decision.
The other interception and the fumble especially were atrocious lol. He needs to spend the off season learning how to tuck the ball as an instinct when he’s getting hit from behind / blindsided; instead of having an instinct to fling the ball out at random lol
December 11th, 2017 at 3:37 pm
If he isn’t Favre, then he is Dilfer, Leftwich, or Freeman.
December 11th, 2017 at 3:39 pm
But this suppose to be a “talented” team. SMDH
December 11th, 2017 at 3:41 pm
The other interception and the fumble especially were atrocious lol. He needs to spend the off season learning how to tuck the ball as an instinct when he’s getting hit from behind / blindsided; instead of having an instinct to fling the ball out at random lol
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Look back to see 1. See giants game and ATL game. Both of which he won with his legs in most impressive fashion. Now he hestitates to run and when he does he’s possyfootin around.
That’s 100 percent on Koetter. Trying to turn Jameis into Matt Ryan and Blaine Gabbert.
December 11th, 2017 at 3:42 pm
@DB55
I had all those same thoughts. I believe he was ahead of the defender that intercepted that pass. More effort = potential catch or at worst incompletion and not an interception.
Saw the same thing on the long ball and have seen it all this year – including games with Fitz at QB – where the ball looked play-able and he didn’t even make an attempt. In his highlight reel from the last few years you will see him track and catch WORSE passes than some of the ones he’s had from Winston/Fitz. I don’t get it.
I’d be fine with moving on from Djax after this year. Make Godwin your #2 and you still have Hump in the slot. Bobo wilson seems to have a decent chance as a backup WR and you can draft another KR/PR type WR late in the draft. Run most your offense from the same set with 2 TE or 3 WR. That way you can easily go temp without missing a beat and guys like Howard/Godwin/ME can get in grooves in games instead of going from 8 targets to 1 week to week with no rhyme or reason to it.
I also noticed we ran a TE screen to Howard finally last week. I have no idea why it took that long to try that play. He easily scampered for 10 yards like it was nothing.
December 11th, 2017 at 3:46 pm
Im glad Im not the only one who seen DJax not even attempt to catch that deep ball that looked to be very catchable. I was extremely irritated after seeing that. And its not the first time I’ve noticed it.
December 11th, 2017 at 3:46 pm
Folks think of Winston as the next Favre? The only two folks I know who think that are Joe #1 and Joe #2.
December 11th, 2017 at 3:47 pm
@Lord – I’d rather have DJax Godwin ME13 etc and let Hump go. I’ve yet to see him make a difference in any given game and he too has fumbled at inopportune times. His lack of production and/or gaffes seem to be overlooked when other players who have done more in their careers and as Bucs seem to be the most scrutinized. I’ve yet to see anyone make a GREAT case for keeping Hump and keeping him and letting DJax go seems, well kind of fool hearty in my most humble opinion.
December 11th, 2017 at 3:48 pm
Jameis has been robed of 3 or 4 wins. Thats funny and delusional. Jameis has to make plays and put points on the board. So the D has to hold a team like seatle to 5 points and kc to 17 point, otherwise we can’t win? Instead of comparing him to Farve, compare him to Flacco… a guy who can play at a high level as long as you give him a great D and a good ground game. How is this team scoring 20 points a game?
December 11th, 2017 at 3:48 pm
Don’t get out of the house much, eh?
December 11th, 2017 at 3:49 pm
JW is more like roesthilberger. Like last night Big Ben throwing the football while going down and almost picked. Twice on 1 drive. U think he is a vet and knows better…….. JW haters gtfoh
December 11th, 2017 at 3:50 pm
Farve threw a great d ball
December 11th, 2017 at 3:51 pm
@lamarcus… thats exactly right
December 11th, 2017 at 3:53 pm
Wouldn’t go there. Big Ben doesn’t take near the risks James does (or Favre did). Plus, you see that bomb to Antonio Brown in the fourth quarter? That pass could not have been placed any better. Right on the guy’s belt. Looked like someone just dropped the ball in his arms.
December 11th, 2017 at 3:57 pm
These articles are reminding me of all the last minute Freeman excuses. It has a grasping at straws type feel. Difference is Freeman could actually throw a good deep ball.
December 11th, 2017 at 3:58 pm
Joe
That’s one of many passes. AB is constantly making circus catches. Last week he caught a ball thrown 2 yards out of bounds.
Seems to me that unless jw is dropping passes in the breadbasket Djax ain’t trying any harder to make a play.
December 11th, 2017 at 3:59 pm
“Jameis has been robed of 3 or 4 wins. Thats funny and delusional. ”
What do you call it when as a QB; you give your team the lead with barely any time left; and your team loses anyway while you watch on the sideline?
What else would you call that? Should the QB have played defense? And you’re questioning whether other people are delusional?
Did you even watch the Buffalo game or the Packers game?
December 11th, 2017 at 4:00 pm
The losses have been team efforts. All the if, if, if, just snowballs until there’s another L.
December 11th, 2017 at 4:01 pm
@Mike n … “Jameis has been robbed of 3 or 4 wins. Thats funny and delusional.” Thank you Mike, you beat me to that one. For some reason many fans & media can’t seem to understand that you don’t really get beaten in the last 10 seconds of football games … ALL POINTS SCORED BY YOUR OPPONENT COUNT. Doesn’t matter if they’re on the opening drive, or in the 3rd or 4th quarter … THEY ALL COUNT. And when a QB or anyone else turns the ball over (INT or fumble) that kills your drive AND gives your opponent an opportunity to tack on points. Lions scored 14 points yesterday off of Bucs’ turnovers and we lost by 3 points. Without those turnovers, there’s a very good chance we could’ve won. Excuses are for losers.
December 11th, 2017 at 4:01 pm
@ Joe
Hey Joe, why don’t you put up a Jameis Winston Confidence Poll like the ones that you put up for Dirk Koetter? You can see the pulse of your readers
December 11th, 2017 at 4:01 pm
Jameis is struggling with the long ball and still has Franchise QB potential. They are NOT mutually exclusive. I think we can all agree that this franchise has done more to ruin player potential then it has done to enhance them so I think the comparison between Big Ben and Jaboo are apt. Big Ben went into an all-time great franchise and we see how it turned out for him. Jaboo has gone to a perennial losing organization and his results seem to align with that reality. It seems to me JW haters are not willing to look at the whole picture without bias.
December 11th, 2017 at 4:02 pm
DDL
Draft Drew Lock….or any other starting potential QB next spring and let it sort it self out for the start of 2020….either keep Jameis then and trade away the 2018 QB pick…or let Jameis go and go with the next QB drafted in 2018
DDL
December 11th, 2017 at 4:02 pm
Big Ben was horrible when he came into the league and even Terry Bradshaw hated him he just got drafted to a Superbowl rest team. This guy is just too young and needs to develop
December 11th, 2017 at 4:05 pm
I hate to say it Joe, but at this stage, Freeman was a better QB than JW and Freeman sucked.
December 11th, 2017 at 4:06 pm
I have been a huge Winston defender, but yesterday I saw some truly troubling signs. Joe pointed to the Howard fumble as when the wheels came off, but I point to the first INT. Was it a risky throw? Yes most long out throws are. But this looks for all the world like a poor route by DJax. I’ve watched a ton of tape, no other receiver on the team runs the out like that. Things like this can and will happen and it should’ve been one play. I can live with that, but I think Winston knew this was a bad route. His response to this is the huge issue.
He literally imploded for 3-4 series. The fumble was reckless, I could almost excuse that, but the ball he tried to throw to OJ Howard was just crazy. I get it, maybe OJ was held but there is no way that ball can leave his hand to that spot.
The key to this is that there is plenty of blame to go around. Sloppy is the adjective for the entire team. When you really break this year down. No pass rush, poor run fits, soft coverage, missed tackles, poor running back play, mediocre pass blocking, Jeckyl and Hyde from the QB, poor special teams (not just the early field goal kicking, abysmal returns, poor coverage and punt protect suck), loafs, poor clock management and of course timely penalties.
This is why this headline is more damning than Joe even realizes(maybe). There are facets of the game the Bucs look dominant at from time to time but they lack any level of consistency to meet potential. If this was just Winston, ok, lets really look at him (he’s got to get better too) but other than maybe LVD and Beckwith (who I believe will supplant Kwon at Mike sooner than later), it is hard to find a player who is really playing with consistency.
I hate the idea of starting over with any new coach and I have no suggestions for a replacement at this point, but it is hard to not be very critical of Koetter and his staff. For me, as a guy who defended bringing Martin back, not giving Barber the bulk of the carries in this game was indefensible. I imagine this was not a popular locker room decision. That one decision might be the biggest reason the game was lost. Choosing Sims with less than five minutes and the ball…. I just don’t get it. I had not been a Barber fan but there were a couple of runs over the past two weeks that he used a skip step in the hole that were truly special, especially for a back his size.
Plenty of blame indeed
December 11th, 2017 at 4:08 pm
DB55
You hit the nail on the head re: Djax. I saw the exact same thing. I noticed in first about 4-5 weeks ago. Since then, I have seen at least 10 plays that have the following trait:
Djax runs the called route. Period. He never breaks off that route or adjusts in ANY WAY to compensate for the thrown ball. Never. The play DB55 listed above is a prime example.
The Slay interception is another. Djax sat on the oute and waited a solid second for the ball to arrive. He did not break forward for the ball and could have – he allowed Slay to cut right in front of him nd take it. Yes- Jameis could have thrown a better ball. But I had redzone on a TV right next to the Bucs game and watched all day as good receivers on good teams came back and fought for the ball.
Watch Godwin. That’s a guy who wants the ball.
With young QBs – you need hungry receivers who go after it. Period.
December 11th, 2017 at 4:20 pm
If he did that in NE Brady would rip him a new hole.
December 11th, 2017 at 4:34 pm
Joe
Come on. Big Ben threw 2 balls while 9/10th on the ground. The only person I thot of was JW.
December 11th, 2017 at 4:50 pm
Good thing #3’s last name is not Glennon ….
December 11th, 2017 at 4:50 pm
Jamis camp (antoine/agent) not happy
They see goff/wentz development and does not believe in koetters scheme and coaching
Antoine/agent like everyone thought playoffs. Playoffs ment to winston camp new early contract 20 mill per year this off-season. Not happy with another year of 6 mill per
Son of 1Buc Mole
December 11th, 2017 at 4:55 pm
For Winston to be successful he must have a hall of fame running back an elite o line with hall of famers a defense with hall of famers at every level hall of fame recivers.
He CANNOT put a team on his back and win. He doesn’t make others around him better. He must have the best of everything to make him better.
He is not the future. I was a supporter but not anymore. No more blind faith
December 11th, 2017 at 4:56 pm
Oh and he must have hall of fame coaching and front office.
December 11th, 2017 at 4:58 pm
The excuses I hear and read for Winston are unbelievable. If this was Glennon or McClown you same people would be screaming from the rooftops.
December 11th, 2017 at 4:59 pm
Drew Lock is a good qb. My guess is that he will declare, now that Heiple is gone from Mizzou. Have you seen the man beasts on that o-line though? His jersey has stayed clean the majority of the last 6 or 7 games. I’m not giving up on Jameis though. If o-line can be spruced up, watch what Jameis can do.
December 11th, 2017 at 5:02 pm
DB55
Could not agree with you more on Djax. I dont see the want to in him like you saw when he was building his brand in Philly.
Plus I must have screemed “just run it” to my tv at Winston more than anything this season. He is too reluctant to use the legs and forces stupid throws when under pressure. I have seen green green acres in front of that guy so many times its not funny, and still he throws into coverage when he could pick up a first down or at minimum get us some yards and a better 3rd down situation.
December 11th, 2017 at 5:03 pm
May not be the lone culprit.
But he’s a major one.
December 11th, 2017 at 5:05 pm
JWil….I am NOT giving up on Jameis….but not trusting him either…..this team another starting caliber QB drafted next year…ideally traded down from our first pick….absolutely need to squeeze another top QB into the roster…
DDL…draft Drew Lock
December 11th, 2017 at 5:09 pm
And Joe
Talk about roesthlisberger dimes. Jw been dropping some pretty dimes the last 2 weeks that no other Qb in Tampa history has made. This JW is really talented. I’m amazed like where has this been ??
December 11th, 2017 at 5:12 pm
Winston reminds me of Alex Smith. Miserable in San Fran with the coachin situation and lack of talent on both sides of the ball. Then he lands in KC with a great coach and better talent at Oline and skills positions. He settles down, gets coached up and not only becomes teams MVP but one of the better QBs in the league.
I’d be willing to bet that all Winston needs is a more stable and experienced coaching staff and he will turn things around for the better.
December 11th, 2017 at 5:19 pm
Reminds you of?
Lol you mean you hope that ends up being the case?
December 11th, 2017 at 5:24 pm
He doesn’t make others around him better. He must have the best of everything to make him better
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Just a reminder he won 9 games with udfa Cameron Brate, Adam Humphries, Freddie Martino and Others. Mike Evans was the only first round skill player on the offense.
So the means you don’t know jack so stfu.
December 11th, 2017 at 5:29 pm
@db55
Lmao yea ok I know nothing lol.
What I do know is this.
53 turnovers in 41 games. Defend that mr know it all jameis defender.
Even average QB’s can have a decent year here and there. Just keep blindly defending and just keep making as many excuses as you can find. Blame anyone and everyone else.
Probably a millennial.
Now get back to the basement and wait for your chicken nuggets to be ready idiot.
December 11th, 2017 at 5:33 pm
Man if Jameis had the protection that some of the blind faithful have for Aimless Wins-none, he would never get sacked in any game. Are you retards that blinded by your love for anything FSU, that you can’t see HE is the problem?? The guy sucks period. Freeman got ran out of here and he was way more consistent and actually won games. Newsflash people, you aren’t convincing me or any other Buc fan that doesn’t give a crap about the Semenholes that he is worth a spit. All you do is convince us that all FSU fans are just plain dumb and blind! Now please continue with the entertainment your stupidity provides!!
December 11th, 2017 at 5:38 pm
@eric
No they are completely blind of reality.
It’s absolutley pathetic the excuses they make. Everyone is at fault except for Winston. It’s sickening. Dude can’t hit the broad side of a barn but it’s someone else’s fault. All the turnovers all the boneheaded stupid plays and these Seminole fans somehow find a way to blame someone else lol.
When a new coach comes in Winston will be on his way out. I’m sure the Bucs will give Winston another year so unless Winston somehow figures it out next season he’s gone.
But at this point I believe he is what he is. And it ain’t pretty
December 11th, 2017 at 5:38 pm
Show me a game where we had a chance to win a game in the fourth quarter and there’s a really good chance that we failed to score enough in the first half.
Jameis has to be more consistant in the beginning of the game. One quote that stuck in my head when Mike Evans was asked the difference between
Fitz and Jameis. Evans said Fitz puts the ball where only the receiver can catch it.
Expecting receivers to come back on balls when they are flatfooted isn’t realistic.
Jameis passes were a mix of spirals, flutterballs and too low at times. Tough for a receiver to know what to expect lately. It is possible the shoulder is still affecting his throws.
December 11th, 2017 at 5:39 pm
tnew
Solid, comprehensive and thorough analysis my brotha. #respect
December 11th, 2017 at 5:40 pm
20 to 27 pts is enough to win in this league. But can WE stop anybody? NO..xan’t do..Won’t do. AS evidence I submit this yrs game winning drives by not one butt..several teams. And I would not call them drives. They were more like..Let me give you guys an escort to the endzone! Hopefully we really concentrate on our Defense the next couple of years.
December 11th, 2017 at 5:43 pm
Jameis is DilFreeman.
Go you one better J-O-E!
Jason Gump had a boat load of Glazer cash to spend this last Free agency term. He signs D-jax and Baker. WHY, WHY, WHY did he not go all in on Calaias Campbell? WHY did he not at least try to sign Chris Long? TWO stud DE’s and that would have made a huge difference. This is the same equestrian fecal matter as drafting a kicker in the second round of a draft.
December 11th, 2017 at 5:50 pm
“Everyone is at fault except for Winston.”
Literally no one is making that argument. .
Apparently if you don’t want Winston gone right now you are a pathetic person and a blind homer.
Cool. You seem reasonable.
December 11th, 2017 at 5:53 pm
Tried to warn ya’ll about DeSean Jackson.
Even presented Viable, Affordable Alternatives
*So that we could sign Calais Campbell
• Marquise Goodwin (2017) $3M
• Mike Wallace (2017) $8M
But all I kept hearing was how DJAX was far more superior
So lets take a quick look at DeSean Jackson vs…….
2017 Stats
• DeSean Jackson (2017) REC: 49 | YDS: 657 | AVG 13.4 | TD: 3
• Mike Wallace (2017) REC: 37 | YDS: 559 | AVG 15.1 | TD: 3
• Marquise Goodwin (2017) REC: 41 | YDS: 783 | AVG 19.1 | TD: 1
Damn – woulda coulda shoulda
December 11th, 2017 at 5:54 pm
lol it’s getting to the Freemanite lvl around here.
Every excuse in the book.
And everyone is accountable for their own individual actions, except for him.
History repeating itself.
December 11th, 2017 at 5:54 pm
@lord idiot
Apparently you don’t read comments very much. Most people are literally blaming all of his struggles on everything else.
Also I own a winston jersey that I wear every sorry pathetic Sunday they play.
But yea most are blind homers. You got that right.
Defend this mr lord
53 turnovers 41 games.
And go…………
December 11th, 2017 at 5:58 pm
@prbucfan
Yep. You’re exactly right.
But db55 will say you’re an idiot and know nothing.
But he’s eating his chicken nuggets his mom made so he’s not allowed to talk right now.
December 11th, 2017 at 6:01 pm
Sweep the leg
Andrew Luck 70 games played 78 turnovers (int&fumbles)
Eli Manning first 3 years. 41 games played 49 turnovers.
I could go on and on but my chicken nuggets are getting cold.
December 11th, 2017 at 6:04 pm
@db55
And Winston is worse than both of those guys.
First Andrew Luck is twice the QB Winston is and Eli has 2superbowls which Winston will not have with the Bucs so.
December 11th, 2017 at 6:06 pm
DB55
For Sh!ts & giggles – how many wins – did Andrew & Eli have in those 70 games?
December 11th, 2017 at 6:09 pm
Sweep
Cam Newton first 48 games 49 to
Matt Ryan first 46 games 39 to
Drew Brees first 42 games 42 tos.
December 11th, 2017 at 6:11 pm
You let me know which argument you want me to blow up and I will. Keep moving the target son.
First he need all-world players – false
Then turns the ball over too much – false
What else you got gator fan?
December 11th, 2017 at 6:15 pm
So we didnt want Glennon because he was just a game manager even though he rarely turned the ball over. Now we dont want Winston because he takes to many chances. Lol. Sheesh Make up your minds. One or the other. You’ll never find a guy who takes chances and never turns the ball over.
December 11th, 2017 at 6:15 pm
@db55
Those are all very good points and I hope for the franchises sake he figures it out because like it or not if next season goes the same way he will not be a buc.
December 11th, 2017 at 6:16 pm
@db55
If you think he doesn’t turn the ball over too much you’re an idiot.
SON
December 11th, 2017 at 6:23 pm
People invent very weak hyperbolic arguments when they can’t have a reasonable educated discussion or debate about anything. Example: “Everyone is at fault except Winston”
People also change the subject immediately when they have no logical counter to an argument placed in front of them. For example see the back and forth between DB55 and this sweep the leg character. Classic goal posts moving defense.
Carry on lol
December 11th, 2017 at 6:25 pm
Andrew Luck Lead Colts to Three Playoffs
• 2012- Lost Wild Card 9-24 vs. Baltimore Ravens
• 2013- Lost Divisional Round 22-43 vs. New England Patriots
• 2014 -Lost Conference Championship 7-45 vs. New England Patriots
Eli Manning Lead Giants to Two Playoffs
• 2005 – Lost Wild Card 0-23 vs. Carolina Panthers
• 2006 – Lost Wild Card 20-23 vs. Philadelphia Eagles
Jameis Winston – Has lead the Bucs to Zero playoffs
December 11th, 2017 at 6:25 pm
Damnit sweep the leg conceded a point.
I apologize for my snark here – that was a nice human moment my liege.
December 11th, 2017 at 6:26 pm
1 Josh Rosen 6-4 218 UCLA JR
2 Sam Darnold 6-4 220 USC RSO
3 Josh Allen 6-5 233 Wyoming JR
4 Mason Rudolph 6-5 230 Oklahoma State SR
5 Ryan Finley 6-4 210 North Carolina State JR
6 Lamar Jackson 6-3 211 Louisville JR
7 Baker Mayfield 6-1 220 Oklahoma SR
8 Clayton Thorson 6-4 225 Northwestern JR
9 Jarrett Stidham 6-3 214 Auburn RSO
10 Jake Browning 6-2 210 Washington JR
11 Drew Lock 6-4 225 Missouri JR
December 11th, 2017 at 6:27 pm
But Andrew & Eli had better Defenses – than Jameis
Colts | Defense
• 2012 – Points Against: 387 (24.2/g) 21st of 32
• 2013 – Points Against: 336 (21.0/g) 9th of 32
• 2014 – Points Against: 369 (23.1/g) 19th of 32
Giants | Defense
• 2004 – Points Against: 347 (21.7/g) 17th of 32
• 2005 – Points Against: 314 (19.6/g) 14th of 32
• 2006 – Points Against: 362 (22.6/g) 24th of 32
Bucs | Defense
• 2015 – Points Against: 417 (26.1/g) 26th of 32
• 2016 – Points Against: 369 (23.1/g) 15th of 32
• 2017 – Points Against: 312 (24.0/g) 22nd of 32
Hmmm
December 11th, 2017 at 6:31 pm
@lord
I’m not afraid to concede a point but those stats of other QB’s are playoff QB’s and Winston isn’t.
Look I’m a Bucs fan since 86 so I hope it works out I’m just tired of the blind faith. Tired of hearing it’s the coaches running backs receivers Gerald McCoy defense Mike Smith. It’s ALL OF THEM. EVERY SINGLE ONE.
December 11th, 2017 at 6:32 pm
America’s Turnover Machine
December 11th, 2017 at 7:12 pm
Luv
Thanks for adding the defense cuz I might (maybe,possibly) lose a debate with you
December 11th, 2017 at 7:13 pm
The Bucs are 4-9, have no pass rush, shakey secondary, can’t stop the run, have questions on the offensive line, no stud running back, underperforming wide receivers and a quarterback that they prematurally made the face of their franchise that at this point is no better than average, makes plays that look like they are from Pop Warner, and a turnover machine. All of this points directly the General Manager Jason Licht.
December 11th, 2017 at 7:14 pm
Man I just heard Mike Vick on the radio talking about how you used to always try for extra yards now he can’t move his body so beat up I wish to God they would bring in Mike Vick as a QB coach it would be absolutely perfect plus he’s learning under Andy Reid I think he be perfect for James
December 11th, 2017 at 7:21 pm
Here’s a thought maybe just maybe less time on the ping pong table and more time on the weight bench but wtfdik
December 11th, 2017 at 7:29 pm
Agreat source isn’t a Talking Head
December 11th, 2017 at 7:45 pm
I would rather have a game manager than a QB whose TO’s prevent wins any day.
That is not even a question lol.
Hell… we won our only SB with a game manager.
December 11th, 2017 at 8:02 pm
The NFL has changed. That was the last time a team won with a “game manager.”
December 11th, 2017 at 8:04 pm
Sadly, Jameis is hurting the team with his mistakes. Yes, others have also made mistakes but the one player who touches the bal on every play has to make better decisions. There were any number of passes thrown this last Sunday where the collective reaction from those of us in the stands was “why did he throw that?”
December 11th, 2017 at 8:08 pm
DB55- well said
And Joe I’m pretty sure all Manning did was manage the broncos Superbowl. Yes he’s nkt remembered as a game manager but was a game manager that year PERIOD. Defense and smart qb play can still win
December 11th, 2017 at 8:26 pm
DB55
Let me clear some things off the table.
Then we can debate.
Sidebar: I need some new music – any recommendations?
December 11th, 2017 at 8:53 pm
@BrianBucs … “The Bucs are 4-9, have no pass rush, shakey secondary, can’t stop the run, have questions on the offensive line, no stud running back, underperforming wide receivers and a quarterback that they prematurally made the face of their franchise that at this point is no better than average, makes plays that look like they are from Pop Warner, and a turnover machine. All of this points directly the General Manager Jason Licht.”
Now THAT’s worth repeating. Far too many are focusing on Koetter, and Smitty, and Jameis as the poster children for everything that’s wrong with our Bucs, but that’s misdirected. The architects of this fiasco are Jason Licht … and the Glazers. I have no doubt that the Glazers will fire a bunch of people because, hey, that’s what they do. And then we’ll start all over again, only it’ll be even worse this time than it was when the Glazers brought Lovie back.
IF the Glazer brothers asked me, here’s what I’d recommend that they do (no sweat, they won’t ask):
1 – Keep Koetter, Smitty and their entire coaching staff … except for OLine coach George Warhop and QB coach Mike Bajakian. Promote Todd Monken to be the REAL OC and stop with this dual-hatting HC-OC bullcrap.
2 – Keep Licht, but not with a new contract, just a 1-year extension. Not sure that he’s the right person for the GM job here, but bringing in a brand new GM to fix these major issues would just put us further behind the 8-ball.
3 – Spend like crazy during FA on high-quality FAs, to include 1 OLineman, 1 DE, 1 DT, 1 CB (probably can’t afford any more than that). Release Baker, DJax, Martin & Sweezy (to save $$$). Re-sign several of our own FAs (like McDonald and hopefully Grimes).
4 – Draft 2 DEs (1 high rnd), 1 CB, 1 RB, 1 Center as a minimum.
5 – Let everyone know that any more pooping on RayJay Field next season will result in the Glazer brothers blowing this whole kitten-kaboodle up and starting over from scratch. Minimum acceptable record is 9-7 next season. Excuses are for losers.
December 11th, 2017 at 9:10 pm
Luv
My idk I’m stuck in the 90s. 105.9 and 820am stay on in my car. Imma loser although we do listen to a lot of Bruno mars and imagine dragons, go figure. I am thankful that my daughter is now ova her taylor swift fascination. Lol
I hear that Post Malone fire but I’d rather listen to Jake Paul tbh. 🤣
December 11th, 2017 at 9:13 pm
Broy
Wasn’t Manning benched that year under the guise of injury?
December 11th, 2017 at 9:57 pm
Downloaded
R&B
Miquel – Skywalker
Sinead Harnett – Heal You
T-Pain – Too Fine
Majid Jordan – Gave Your Love Away
Sabrina Claudio – About Time (Album)
Verse Simmons – Diamonds
Chris Brown – Everybody Knows About You / To My Bed
NSTASIA – Parachute
HipHop
Big Krit – 4eva Is Might Long Time (Album)
Dave East – Paranoia: A True Story
21 Savage – Rap Saved Me / Mad Stalkers
Magnolia – EP
Keak da Sneek – Imma Keep it Goin’
Tryna find a few more knocks though.
December 11th, 2017 at 10:20 pm
Maybe the glazers figured out the right formula to make the most money out of the Bucs . Just do enough to keep the fan base excited.
December 11th, 2017 at 10:22 pm
I’ll keep Koetter
Defense Rule you kinda nailed it for my personal opinion. I do agree w everything u said but Smitty got to go. Owners need to come to support them publicly. It didn’t happen yet. which is telling to a termination of someone. As long as JW is looking terrible (by some fans idoitiac theory) Koetter is tied to him. I think JW will be fine. I do have doubts cuz of reading these fans and other jumping on the anti-jamies bandwagon but that’s too easy and when he plays I think those said fans are dumb.
December 11th, 2017 at 10:42 pm
For all y’all JW haters…..
When Jw had his issues as a ATM his rookie year when he was barely 21…. Koetter had the JOB of developing the kid. It was Koetter job to work him out. Koetter is responsible for anything does on the field. Blaming JW for turnovers is too easy. Blaming eating’s Ws on JW. Starting Roits is on JW. On the field is always on the guy responsible for teaching him or putting the guys around him. I’m pissed cuz me13 looks like Michael Clayton now. We were disprected w the Marpet move. And the dm decision. All free agents signing we’re free agents for a reason. 2 guys made these move. So ya Jw being around these same 2 guys expect a bumping road.
Another concern: Let’s be real anyway look at the history of this team and their 1st round QBs
Can u say another one??? WTF why cant we have a franchise guy today?? JW haters tell me what to do next after you cut JW??? Get another guy and IF we don’t get him what’s next? We get the guy he doesn’t work out we cut him too and fire coaches until we get our guy and then JW wins Sb w another team and y’all get mad at the Glazer’s for cutting JW.
December 11th, 2017 at 10:54 pm
The team.isnt any good…That QB isn’t that good…sad it will take people longer then usual to figure it out but also comical..smh
December 11th, 2017 at 11:04 pm
It’s a Bucs life………
December 11th, 2017 at 11:37 pm
God help the NFL when Winston does have the cast around him that can take advantage of his sometimes reckless plays and turn them into scores.
December 11th, 2017 at 11:43 pm
*text
December 11th, 2017 at 11:46 pm
*DB – My bad comment was in moderation
Recently Downloaded
R&B
• Miquel – Skywalker
• Sinead Harnett – Heal You
• T-Pain – Too Fine
• Majid Jordan – Gave Your Love Away
• Sabrina Claudio – About Time (Album)
• Verse Simmons – Diamonds
• Chris Brown – Everybody Knows About You / To My Bed
• NSTASIA – Parachute
Hip-Hop/Rap
• Big Krit – 4eva Is Might Long Time (Album)
• Dave East – Paranoia: A True Story
• 21 Savage – Rap Saved Me / Mad Stalkers
• Magnolia – EP
• Keak da Sneek – Imma Keep it Goin’
Tryna find a few more knocks though.
December 11th, 2017 at 11:55 pm
This team been garbage for the last 10 years.
December 12th, 2017 at 12:15 am
Fun fact:
The Score was 21-7 Lions at the start of the 4th qrt. Then 21-21 with 2:54 at home.
The first 2 plays Lions gain 30 yards. 9 pass. 18y run. Ball at mid field.
The back breaker was golden gate on LVD for 15y and a 1st. Game over! Not sure why LVD is covering Tate seems like a job for Optimus grimes but I digress
*side note: Jameis has 2 passing TDs in the 4th for whatever that’s worth.
December 12th, 2017 at 12:19 am
Luv
Okay so you on that “the heat” on Sirius xm. Meanwhile I’m on backspin. ✊🏾
December 12th, 2017 at 1:06 am
DB55
Nope we don’t really listen to the radio much.
We just download music (Itunes), and plug the audio cable (Better Clarity)
December 12th, 2017 at 1:06 am
DB55
Nope we don’t really listen to the radio much.
We just download music (Itunes), and plug the audio cable (Better Clarity)
December 12th, 2017 at 1:34 am
🖖🏿
December 12th, 2017 at 1:36 am
Fun fact:
Winston 10 games played 14 TDs 8 Ints
89.7 rating 62.6 comp
Mariota 12 games played 10 TDs 14 Ints
76.9 rating 62.2 comp
December 12th, 2017 at 1:54 am
What do think about the BUCS hiring
Executive Vice President, Football Operations: John Idzik
General Manager: Jerry Reese
December 12th, 2017 at 2:07 am
John Idzik (1996-2017)
• Director of football administration
• Assistant general manager
• Senior director of football operations
• Vice president of football administration
• Special assistant to general manager
• General manager
->Key Member of Rick McKay’s Staff
->Helped facilitate several high profile trades w/Bucs
->Helped Build a formidable BUCS 4-3 & CARDS 3-4 Front
->Detailed Oriented
Jerry Reese (1994-2017)
• College scout
• Pro scout
• Director of player personnel
• General manager
• 2× Super Bowl champion (XLII, XLVI)
Know the Ins and Outs of drafting 4-3 Personnel.
He’s also a closer – when it come Key free-agents.
December 12th, 2017 at 2:09 am
^Perfect Pairing IMO^
December 12th, 2017 at 3:52 am
@luv
I think you should include another bullet point under Jerry Reese
* 3yrs as GM adds 6 all pro’s to roster..
Tampa Bay Bucs 0 all pro’s added
December 12th, 2017 at 7:45 am
@ luv
I like this idea . Why not bring in a top level manager to focus on player
personnel. Atlanta did it to straighten out the lack of talent that Dimitrov
created and look how that worked out.
Licht is in over his head with most of his big free agent signings.
December 13th, 2017 at 12:59 pm
Tony in LA,
The play w DJ wasn’t his fault. He couldn’t get his weight shifted forward fast enough. The ball was under thrown, to the wrong side and it lacked any velocity.
That’s JW. But the one you and a few others missed in an awful attempt to hang it on DJ vs JW. DJ wasn’t the proper read. JW threw a shi@h sandwich to the wrong guy. I don’t believe DJ expected a bone headed throw from the jump.