He Could Have Had More
May 10th, 2017
Hampered.
There is no other way to put it. America’s Quarterback, Pro Bowler Jameis Winston, got hung out to dry.
Before Joe gets rolling on this, a quick reminder: Two Joes run this here corner of the Interwebs. One Joe has no use for the PFF tribe. The other only puts slightly more value into these spreadsheeters. For YAC (yards after catch) missed tackles and yards after contact, one of the Joe’s is OK with their data. The rest of what the PFF tribe flushes out is perhaps a bit more valuable than used toilet paper. Maybe.
Jameis threw for 4,090 yards last year. Very good by most standards, 12th-most in the NFL. Jameis also became the first QB in history to throw for over 8,000 yards in his first two seasons.
It could have been more. Per the PFF tribe, Jameis got virtually no help from his receivers in passing yards. With YAC, the Bucs last year were horrendous.
PFF: 67.8 percent of Jameis Winston’s passing yards came through the air in 2016 (as opposed to yards after catch), most in the NFL.
This just demonstrates, after Mike Evans, how dismal the receiving corps of the Bucs was last year. Downright awful if not disgraceful.
Hat tip: @Chrisbell323.
May 10th, 2017 at 12:46 pm
Problem solved
May 10th, 2017 at 12:57 pm
5k this year
May 10th, 2017 at 12:57 pm
There’s a lot of reasons for poor YAC. Ball placement, you have to hit the WR in stride. WR inability to break tackles, poor downfield blocking etc.
May 10th, 2017 at 12:59 pm
I think Winston will improve his accuracy this season and that will help improve YAC. YAC becomes easier when WRs don’t have to stop for balls thrown behind them or jump for the overthrows. Winston will lead WRs better this year and he has the speedsters now to take advantage! I can’t wait for Miami!
May 10th, 2017 at 1:00 pm
I predict 45+TDs. And under 17 Int. For Jaboo. Also we will have 2 WRs with 10+TDs. ANYBODY CARE TO GUESS WHO THOSE 2 WILL BE?LOL.
May 10th, 2017 at 1:01 pm
I love Jameis, which I have made fairly clear. But YAC also come with better accuracy, so while YES his receivers were not the best (by a long shot) leading receivers better and giving them the ability to run after the catch is a big factor. Also taking shots deep as often as he does, contributes to this stat as quite often it is caught then out of bounds, a score or falling down after a great catch or incomplete. YAC comes after slants, dumpoffs or quick crossing route and while those routes are called quite often Jameis chooses a deeper receiver which lowers the chance of YAC. Just a observation.
May 10th, 2017 at 1:02 pm
You guessed it sheep!!!! Its a Way back Wednesday!!!!!! Once again something The Buc Realist said months ago, that now the national analyst are saying!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Buc Realist Says:
November 7th, 2016 at 11:57 am
All one has to do is look at the Yac stats!!!!!! Then you will see that these weapons are not really getting open and when they do catch they are tackled immediately!!!!! The Bucs are very near the bottom of team YAC!!!!
Just wait until the offseason to see what the coaches and front office think of all these “weapons”!!!!!!
2017 NFL Bucs draft Wr, Te, and Safety!!!!!!!!
May 10th, 2017 at 1:03 pm
941, I think Winston still throws 16-20 picks but is offset by 35-40 TDs. I can live with a QB who throws a pick a game but also throws 3 TDs.
May 10th, 2017 at 1:04 pm
When you think about it for a moment its kind of mind boggling that he is the only QB in the history of the league to throw for that amount in his first two. Considering what he has been working with(or lack there of). Like 15 said problem solved. 4000+ passing season’s will be his norm. Said it lastnight ima say it again, y’all really haven’t seen Fameis yet. You’re about to. When surrounded with weapons this young man is lethal.
May 10th, 2017 at 1:08 pm
He’s a pocket passer first but even with that slow as molasses 40x people round here were lamenting over he is a more than adequate scrambler. When you add that ability when on the rare occasions all else fails this offense will be all but unstoppable.
May 10th, 2017 at 1:14 pm
God I wish there was a way to block people on here so I dont have to read their comments lol.
Anyway as far as the article goes, isnt this why we wanted new weapons? Lol. Everyone knows how bad our receiver depth was.
May 10th, 2017 at 1:15 pm
lol Realist you use the term “sheep” WAY too loosely & often
The vast majority of fans wanted #weaponsforwinston as soon as the season ended. It’s not like everyone (or anyone?) was arguing with you saying that we are set at WR/TE… that would be something to boast about I guess
May 10th, 2017 at 1:16 pm
Hey Realist, you realize that anyone can do what you do seemingly every day to massage your blog ego? Watch this –
Steven 007 says:
December 7th, 1941 at 7:48 am (Hawaiian Time)
I don’t know, I have a weird feeling about today JBFers…
See what I did there? Absolutely no one (though I’m sure someone will chime in to correct me) is checking the archives daily for the validity of your unending hopeful Nostradamus rep. but hey, whatever floats your boat. Go Bucs. Oh sorry, Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Better?
May 10th, 2017 at 1:22 pm
in comparison, Alex Smith had 50% of his 3500 total yards were Yac yards. Short easy dump passes that recievers do all the work.
Mike Evans is a terrible RAC route runner and putrid in YAC
http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/receiving/sort/receivingYardsAfterCatch/qualified/false/count/81
Mike Evans had the 4th most total yards in 2016, but ranked 112th in YAC
Mike evans route running and separation is not crisp , cant change direction after break and his stop and go is Donavon Smith level
OJ Howard is already our top route runner and his instant separation skills is 10x better than Mike Evans
May 10th, 2017 at 1:24 pm
When surrounded with weapons this young man is lethal
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Not even so much the weapons, he needs time to throw. Give him 5 sec in the pocket and he can’t be stopped.
May 10th, 2017 at 1:29 pm
Having speed helps, and having better depth helps. Jameis does need a better accuracy for that too, but think about it, a vertical offense like ours with no real speed will lead to almost no yac. Godwin and jackson will help that, and open up everything else.
May 10th, 2017 at 1:31 pm
“n comparison, Alex Smith had 50% of his 3500 total yards were Yac yards”
Alex Smith is the ultimate captain check down QB. His first year in KC Jamaal Charles lead the team in receiving yards lmao
ME is not a YAC monster because that’s not his skill set and that’s perfectly fine. He’s one of the best at everything else he does – catching in traffic – running intermediate routes – sideline catches – back shoulder throws – red zone / etc
May 10th, 2017 at 1:33 pm
@steven007
You don’t think that some are checking the archives!!!!! The Buc Realist is always on point!!!!! See for yourself!!!!!!
https://www.joebucsfan.com/2016/11/cameron-brate-shining-across-nfl/
And I have posted the reasons why!!!!!! see here……….
And Know this as well, I do not repost my own post to self congratulate!!!!! I repost for 2 reasons!!!! Reason 1 – I already said it!!!! It saves time instead of typing what I typed months ago, that relates to who Joe just quoted that backs up my original post!!!
Reason 2 – I am trying to teach some of the sheep!!!!! It is for the betterment of Buc Nation not to have the sheep out in public saying moronic things!!!! I don’t expect them to understand!! But if a couple of sheep will just parrot and repeat something intelligent, maybe they can fool someone and not reveal their lack of intelligence!!!!!!!!
Alright,,,, Maybe a little,,, it feels good when you hear the head coach, or GM say exactly the same thing that The Buc Realist said months to a year ago!!!!!!!!
Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!!
May 10th, 2017 at 1:35 pm
Joes, didn’t the Beattles have a song that went ‘But that was yesterday, and yesterday’s gone”? Every year our Bucs make changes in the hopes of getting better. Every year, however, also brings new challenges … different schedule, injuries, players not playing up to expectations, whatever. Constantly looking backwards really doesn’t accomplish much IMO. Unless of course you’re The Buc Realist. Then you get to dig up old comments and tell everyone ‘See, I told you so.’ (Lord C, you put me up to that with your last comment).
May 10th, 2017 at 1:38 pm
I shutter to think of what Jameis Winston is going to do with all these weapons. How does one even rattle around in their brain and not get lost in the possibilities. I’m too old for Madden, but I played video games. Shutter. It’s on the o-line now cause I’m shuttering and I want to see fireworks. I want that ball to be flying all over the field. An aerial assault. Attack, attack. DC’s pissing their pants.
Fireworks… oohs, ahs, the whole shebang!
May 10th, 2017 at 1:39 pm
But what separates the great wrs, ala Brown, Dez, aj Greene, jones…is that they can help the qb by catching the LOS slant or easy screen/crossing pattern for yardage and first downs
Mike Evans is limited and only effective in the 2nd/3rd level
When Jameis is blitzed he cant look for Evans because his short passing recieving skillset is putrid
May 10th, 2017 at 1:39 pm
Realist needs to up his meds.
May 10th, 2017 at 1:41 pm
@defense rules
If Joe writes about what I think he is about too, then all this has just been a warm up!!!! The Buc Prophecy will be told!!!!!!!
Go Bucs!!!!!!
May 10th, 2017 at 1:44 pm
@Realist –
Ha-ha, hey man, like I said whatever floats your boat! And if you say so (people check), though so far no one aside from yourself has stated that they do this. At any rate you’re an enthusiastic Bucs fan and I can appreciate that. Too many who post here could be mistaken for (or simply are) haters or needlessly negative. Speaking for me, I could not imagine checking the archives of a fan blog to vet a claim made by a blogger. My time is simply too valuable for that and it’s just not that important to me. But let’s be honest, as you alluded to at the end of your post feels good to stroke the old ego, no? Of course it does.
Back on topic, I think we have more YAC potential now than we have in a very long time.
May 10th, 2017 at 1:49 pm
@sreven007
maybe if you said something in your post or anything,,, it would be worth going back too!!!!!!!!!!!
May 10th, 2017 at 1:52 pm
Steven007…I search the archives all the time. About once a week. Then again I have/had a lot of free “time” on my hands. I use it to re-post crap I said years ago. It’s just easier that way sometimes. Especially if you have have a lot of free time and you spend about 3-4 hours throughout the day on JBF. Some spend more. Joe prolly knows those numbers anyways, not me.
May 10th, 2017 at 1:54 pm
What Poppems said.
!!!!!!!
May 10th, 2017 at 1:56 pm
@Realist –
Uh huh. Now you’re just being a D just when I was starting to give you the benefit of the doubt. Well, since you’re such an expert at checking the archives why don’t you do a review of my posts and you can let me know if your unevidenced assertion is true (this of course is impossible since it would be due to conjecture but then that’s kinds the point). I no longer wonder why you get pushback here. And trust me, it’s not due to your “predictions”….
May 10th, 2017 at 1:57 pm
Play calling is important when it comes to YAC. You get more YAC on designed screen or short passes with blockers out in front. You don’t get much on deep throws. Last season Mike Evans was 141, Cameron Brate was 165, but Adam Humphries was 22 on the YAC list. Le’veon Bell and David Johnson was at the top of the list. We should get more YAC from Jeremy McNichols.
May 10th, 2017 at 1:59 pm
Our weapons at wideout are much improved- Running game is no better, IMO. Defenses will not have to gameplan for our running game-this worries me. Maybe Koetter goes to short passing game as our running game? I don’t get why we waited until the 5th to address it. If McNichols is the real deal and becomes an Ajayi or Jordan Howard, then I will understand and Jason Licht should be signed to a 10 year deal immediately,LOL.
May 10th, 2017 at 1:59 pm
@1987. Thanks for chiming in. It is simply incredible to me that’s some people have time to do that. Or level of Interest frankly.
May 10th, 2017 at 2:01 pm
That’s actually pretty amazing. He could have had 4500+
May 10th, 2017 at 2:01 pm
I agree with Joeypoppems. I wish we each had our own personal block list.
May 10th, 2017 at 2:02 pm
Steven…yep …it actually happens a lot. Not just Realist and I.
Incredible? Nope not when you see it so much.
May 10th, 2017 at 2:07 pm
You can look at this chart from the top players in YPC per reception. And the top players are RBs. That’s where Jeremy McNichols will help us the most in the passing game……………………………………………………https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/yards-after-the-catch/2016/
May 10th, 2017 at 2:19 pm
I went back and watched the highlights of both Evans and Winston. What stood out to me was how tight the windows were, Evans was bracketed most of the season and Jameis didn’t have much of a pocket to throw from.
May 10th, 2017 at 2:21 pm
I 100% agree Joe.
The Bucs receivers were awful last year with the obvious exception of Mike Evans. However, even though Mike Evans is an elite receiver he is not a guy that is going to get a bunch of YAC for you.
This year we have a tremendously better receiving corps. Unfortunately our running backs are still awful unless we somehow have found gold in the 5th round.
May 10th, 2017 at 2:23 pm
BucsRealist, you said the same thing, at the same time, that everyone else was saying. What you said was the equivalent to saying 1+1=2. Well duh…
May 10th, 2017 at 2:30 pm
YAC is a two way street. It’s on the qb to deliver the ball in a good spot and the wr to break a tackle and make people miss. Bucs were bad at both last year
May 10th, 2017 at 2:32 pm
Tnew they’ll be alot looser next season. Trust me. For all the crticing of these two young men’s game Fameis is the only to throw for 4000+ his first two. ME is one of only six WRs in the history of the game to receive for over a 1000 yards his first three season’s in the league. I’m yelling you so called critic experts now Fameis to Evans will go down as the most prolific duo in the history of the NFL. All those number Montana/Young to Rice, Manning to Harrison are in danger. And before any of you fix your face to speak against my early perdition I say to you muthaf@$# your opinion.
May 10th, 2017 at 2:35 pm
They on pace to be the GREATEST..
May 10th, 2017 at 2:36 pm
Talkin bout yac and all ME does is catch touchdown passes. FOH wit this simple s@$#..
May 10th, 2017 at 2:47 pm
Jameis has accomplished more at the age of 23 than any QB in history … think about that!
May 10th, 2017 at 3:02 pm
Running game is much more important then yac. Don’t let the dreamers fool you.
May 10th, 2017 at 3:05 pm
And his ceiling still so high NFL..
May 10th, 2017 at 3:08 pm
@Realist … “The Buc Prophecy will be told!!!!!!!” So let me get this straight Realist. You’re prophesying that Joe will share with us ‘sheep’ what his grand Bucs Prophecy is? The Bucs Prophecy which you already know apparently. Am I in the ballpark? BTW, there has to be some significance to the SEVEN (7) exclamation points at the end of that statement Realist. Not six, not eight, but SEVEN. Care to share?
May 10th, 2017 at 3:16 pm
4500+ yards – 36TDs – <14 Ints – 64+% Completion – 5 Rushing TDs.
That's what I expect to see from Jameis Winston in 2017
May 10th, 2017 at 3:16 pm
The guy said he is a prophet because he read a YAC stat accurately. That has to be the most dumbest thing I ever heard.
He’s a joke. And he is also a moron
May 10th, 2017 at 3:22 pm
Jameis during his first year was playing with a baseball, non-football shape body, 2nd year he had more strength and agility, but needed to have a year to get comfortable playing with his new body, this year and many more to come will show the true Jameis! Got experience 1st year to catch up to the speed of the pro game and the playbook, 2nd year was about overcoming short comings in the weapons around him, 3rd is getting him surrounding pieces to succeed, he is going to blow the F up this year, can’t wait
May 10th, 2017 at 3:57 pm
Exactly Guzzie, and that’s what I mean when I say they haven’t even seen Fameis yet…
May 10th, 2017 at 4:01 pm
Problem solved
Am I the only one who thinks the o line is suspect?
May 10th, 2017 at 4:11 pm
My only issue is when Realist mis-uses the term “sheep” -and I’ve had that issue with him since i’ve been reading this site.
The fact is the majority of fans wanted better weapons for Winston last year. The fact is many wanted more WR depth before the season ever kicked off. His opinion was not unique at all. He is acting like there was some huge group of Bucs fans telling him he was wrong and that we don’t need more weapons. That never happened. He’s inventing scenarios to prop himself up.
Even when Lovie Smith was here; he acts like he was the only person that thought he was a terrible hire. Plenty of people hated the hire. Plenty hated it and plenty talked sh1t here about Lovie.
When it comes to most opinions there is typically a lot of 50/50 splits among the fan base. To act like you’re the one in the right all the time and everyone else is some idiot “sheep” is the opposite of keeping it real. It’s more like being a delusional egomaniac
May 10th, 2017 at 4:41 pm
Expect a different outcome this year. Lets just say the backup QB will be playing in a few 4th quarters due to the scoring of Jameis and company.
Go Bucs!!!
May 10th, 2017 at 5:00 pm
It’s not only YAC it’s lack of separation. ME was mostly double teamed so I understand his situation…but face it the rest of our guys are simply not separation receivers.
Three new additions will change all of that. DJAX….OJ..and Chris Godwin…these guys have the speed to get open and they certainly can run up some YAC.
May 10th, 2017 at 5:03 pm
So Jameis is teh first QB to throw for 8,000 yards his first two season AND he had teh lowest YAC in the league and peopple still want to blame Jameis and say he’s not accurate. JW is a superstar and the WRs outside of ME last year were a joke. Wait til you see the YAC this year. 5K is right!
May 10th, 2017 at 5:05 pm
Wow the comment section continues to disappoint. Good thing I have more stuff to do than some and have to catch up on articles and not “Bucs realist” pointing out THE MOST OBVIOUS THINGS EVER.” No offense to Joes but they’re writers not football gods and seeing the Bucs needed receivers is beyond obvious. Joes can we please get the mute individual button because while others make great posts some literally copy and paste the same post they copy and pasted out of desperation to get some type of gig as a writer
May 10th, 2017 at 5:06 pm
Destinjohnny …the o-line is suspect. Some of us believe the addition of the weapons will not only make JW’s job easier, but the o-line as well.
I’m one of them.
May 10th, 2017 at 5:22 pm
Speaking as a humble sheep willing to learn:
@ Realist
That was a pretty badarse prediction come true.
Props my bro!
May 10th, 2017 at 5:31 pm
The lack of depth at WR wasn’t the reason for a low YAC. Mike Evans averaged 1.8 YPC per reception. Cameron Brate averaged 2.4 YPC per reception. Even some ‘Big Play’ WRs had low YPC per reception averages. Emmanuel Sanders averaged 3.3 YPC per reception. T.Y. Hilton averaged 3.7 YPC per reception. Antonio Brown averaged 3.7 YPC per reception. Desean Jackson averaged 5.1 YPC per reception. The Atlanta Falcons led the NFL in YAC per reception (6.37) and the Patriots was a close second with 6.34. These two teams throws a lot of passes to their backs out of the backfield. And they throw a lot of short passes to their WRs. I think it’s more play calling than anything else. You will not get much YAC if you’re throwing 20 yard passes to your WRs and TEs.
May 10th, 2017 at 5:32 pm
Winston is not the first QB to throw for 8000 yards in his first 2 seasons.
Please don’t make up stats and say them as facts because us fellow Buc fans may repeat what we read and you make us look stupid with your lies.
May 10th, 2017 at 5:35 pm
I haven’t been this excited about a season in 10 years! We could have a top 5 offense and a top 10 defense! Our time is now. We should be good for a decade, at least! We deserve this!
May 10th, 2017 at 5:40 pm
Ok Jimmy, but he IS the first QB with 2 4000 yard seasons to start a career and is the only QB to throw for 8000 yards before turning 23 years old.
May 10th, 2017 at 5:46 pm
Good point Lakeland. I’d like to add that losing ASJ and injuries to Simms affected play calling. Those 2 players were our only YAC guys.
They even tried to use Simms as our bellcow guy for a few games which was a horrible coaching decision.
May 10th, 2017 at 5:48 pm
Yeah Eric the article covered all that. We just don’t need dumb commenters adding lies to it which can only make us all look dumb.
May 10th, 2017 at 6:05 pm
JimmyJack..the bad part is that we was always trying to force the ball to ME. He wasn’t going to give us decent YAC numbers or decent Catch Ratio numbers. We target Mike Evans 173 times and he caught 96 passes for a 55.5% Catch Ratio. And he gave us 1.8 YAC. We only target our RBs 83 times and they caught 66 passes, for a Catch Ratio of 79.6%. And they averaged 7.8 YAC per reception. Mike Evans was target on 30% of the passing plays. I don’t believe the problem was a lack of depth at WR. I believe the problem was the inability to make the most of what we had. We can even go as far to say that the poor play calling had a negative affect on the O-Line and the accuracy of the QB.
May 10th, 2017 at 6:30 pm
I don’t know Lakeland. I kinda think we did make the most of what we had( except I wanted to see Simms do more as a pass catcher).
But I look at a guy like Brate and my guess is he will never have a more productive year. Same with Humphries……Evans had a monster season and don’t think we can complain too much. I actually really like the play calling.
I think if your looking for Evans or Russell Sheppard or whoever we had last year to produce more then I don’t think you’ll ever be satisfied.
Now if we have a YAC problem and Howard, Djax, Simms/?Nichols? Are all healthy then I may have to change my mind about getting the most out of our players
May 10th, 2017 at 6:35 pm
I hear what your saying about throwing to RBs…..But a lot of those throws were probably to Simms, I’m guessing. If Chris is out your not going to get the same from Martin or Rodgers.
Maybe we could have gotten more from Chris if they didn’t switch his roles when we had a lot or RBs go down…..we did have a lot of issues and moving pieces with that position last year, didn’t help us look very good on paper that’s for sure
May 10th, 2017 at 6:41 pm
Jimmy, no, Joes article didn’t cover that. Re-read please.
May 10th, 2017 at 6:43 pm
The Joes article was wrong. Andrew Luck was the first QB to throw for 8000 yards in his first 2 seasons. I looked that up myself, along with the other stats I posted.
May 10th, 2017 at 6:49 pm
Oh shoot my bad. I gave the guy that posted it a hard time so I apologize to him.
May 10th, 2017 at 6:52 pm
Jimmy, lol
May 10th, 2017 at 6:53 pm
We hear all the time about the 2 4000 yard seasons that we assume he was also the first to 8000.
May 10th, 2017 at 7:02 pm
Well the 2, 4000 yard seasons are nice but not as special as many believe IMO. That’s because the rule changes keep favoring the QB position more and more. Also because the old school theory that college QBs are never ready to jump right in has been disproven.
May 10th, 2017 at 7:05 pm
JimmyJack, I was raised in Lakeland, but I moved to Atlanta 32 years ago after High School. And I follow them every season and has been for 32 years. When Dirk Koetter was the OC for the Falcons in 2012 they went 13-3. Jacquizz Rodgers was target 59 times and he caught 53 passes. in 2012 The Falcons RBs was target 134 times, more than Julio Jones and Tony Gonzalez. Last season Rodgers was only target 16 times and he caught 13 passes. I think that Dirk Koetter was overwhelmed with the HC and OC responsibilities last season. He wasn’t the same OC I seen in Atlanta. He wasn’t the same OC I seen in 2015 with the Bucs.
May 10th, 2017 at 7:35 pm
Winston did make history he’s the first qb to throw 4,000 yards in his first two seasons. Andrew luck was the first to 8,000 In lucks second year he only threw for 3,800 something that’s the difference
May 10th, 2017 at 7:38 pm
And kwon Alexander lead the league in solo tackles and didn’t make the pro bowl
May 10th, 2017 at 7:42 pm
Well I don’t know who the Falcons s had in those years but having Julio Jones and Tony Gonzalez is going to make any OC look good. You don’t even have to tell me who else they had cause those two guys offer much more then we has last year.
I just don’t think your going to see any mind blowing stats from anybody we had last year not named Evans. I mean come on, Russell sheppard, Hump, Brate are not capable of blowing up a defense. You can’t convince me they are.
Come on Jock Rodgers? You can’t really think he or Martin can make a lot of explosive plays in the offense………our skill position players last year were generic at best.
There is no play calling in the world that can shine a turd. If you wanna blame playcalling, Imo, your looking at the wrong plays. Third and short killed this team way way more then any other plays.
May 10th, 2017 at 7:45 pm
But we had the same players in 2015, when we had a Top-5 offense.
May 10th, 2017 at 7:50 pm
Not to mention Jock Rodgers is not here to be a pass catcher. Dirk’s offense features one back that is only there to block and run(Martin/Rodgers). The other back(sims) is there as a scat back…..at least I think that what the term is.
You want to see Yac from a RB don’t look for Rodgers. Look for Sims. Don’t see how injuries at RB lead you blame play calling
May 10th, 2017 at 7:52 pm
Thought we were talking about YAC not what our offense was rated. I don’t even know what we were rated last season
May 10th, 2017 at 7:54 pm
But I think it’s safe to assume that the RB situation from last season affected us negativity from when we had the #2 runner in 2015
May 10th, 2017 at 8:03 pm
In 2016, we was 29th in YAC. in 2015, we also was 29th in YAC.
May 10th, 2017 at 8:26 pm
Either way I think Dirk will make both of us happy this year with upgrade at TE and WR.
May 10th, 2017 at 8:36 pm
Gotta look at the situation for how those yards were earned too. For example, in come-from-behind blowouts like Jameis had against the Rams on Thurs night in his first year, he sucked. He racked up some serious yards in “garbage time” though, slinging it all over. Yeah, he got 4000 yards as a rookie. Ah, but last year, the one “garbage time” game was against Atlanta, and we so Mike Glennon come in and get impressive stats, especially after the Falcons football team left and the Falcons cheerleaders finished up the game. Important point is Jameis had 4000 yards again, but they were to win games…such as with Seattle, San Diego, Kansas City, etc. So even more important than stats alone is where/when they were registered. The Bears are about to find out Mike Glennon has a pretty decent completion percentage. Yahoo! They are also going to find out he is not a playmaker, not a game changer, not a winner….like Jameis is shown to be.
May 10th, 2017 at 8:50 pm
We was 29th in 2016, 29th in 2015, 32nd in 2014,32nd in 2013. But in 2012 we was 18th, 2011 we was 17th, 2010 we was 17th and 2009 was 30th in YAC.
May 10th, 2017 at 8:54 pm
And so it used to be Julio and Gonzalez for DK….and now it’s ME and OJ. Just like old times!!!
This offense IS going to be very good. I think what is getting me jacked recently though is that as good as this Offense has a chance to become…I think the D is right there with them. Could we actually have a balanced team…lead by…offense AND defense?
So I’m curious guys…what say ye JBF posters.
Will the Bucs be led by the offense this year or the defense….or will we actually have excellent balance between the play of both units?
May 10th, 2017 at 8:58 pm
From 2010-2012, we didn’t have a lot of depth at WR. And Josh Freeman wasn’t as good as Jameis Winston. But the OC was calling a lot of plays for Josh to throw short to Kellen Winslow, screen passes to the RBs, dump off passes to Mike Williams and the other WRs.
May 10th, 2017 at 9:01 pm
St pete
Dont forget DJax and his effect
He has been number 1 deep threat and decoy since he came in the league
No way DCs leave Djax alone man to man with no safety up top to help vs DJax
May 10th, 2017 at 9:05 pm
StPete, Dirk Koetter always have been balanced. I believe O.J.Howard will give us the YAC that Kellen Winslow Jr use to give us at TE. And Jeremy McNichols should give us YAC out of the backfield. We know Desean Jackson will give us YAC as a deep threat.
May 10th, 2017 at 9:21 pm
I’d say more than half our YAC last season came on those perfectly timed hump screens. What a reliable play that was for us last year. Higher YAC comes when Winston can connect with guys that are running away from man coverage. Can’t expect Evans to get much after the catch because there’s three defenders right there waiting for him. Guys like Jackson and Godwin can win 1 on 1 and have room to run. And with Jackson pushing safties deep our TEs should have some space as well, which gets the linebackers on their heels, which opens up the run, which makes me a very excited Bucs fan.
May 10th, 2017 at 9:26 pm
BigPoppaBuc, I’m glad you see that, because that’s exactly my point that I trying to get across. We should have been using Charles Sims more as a receiver than running him up the middle. And we shoulkdn’t have target Mike Evans 173 times, we should have target Hump, Sims, Rodgers more.
May 10th, 2017 at 10:48 pm
Super B…. ok ok ok, 5k then. Just 5k for now.
May 10th, 2017 at 11:35 pm
I’ve heard people say Evans is not good for YAC but that’s just not true. It’s not his fault most passes come his way thrown to a certain spot near the sideline. He’s rarely called on slants. One of the best cross routes thrown by a Bucs happened against the Giants. Fameis was perfect on the pass and Evans ran like 50 yards. I’ve seen plenty of passes when given the chance Evans is a very good runner so Kobe I don’t know what you’re seeing. The one thing I will say he does wrong is on long passes down the sideline he fades outward waiting for the pass to come down to him causing him to automatically go out of bounds once he catches it. He missed out on a few tds because of that. Against the Cardinals when Fameis over threw just a little bit he gave up an interception in the end zone because he didn’t go up and get the ball.
Koetter definitely needs to call more slants and cross routes this year with the speed and skill we have now.
May 10th, 2017 at 11:40 pm
St Pete I think the offense will be slightly better than the defense because of the new WeaponsForFameis and that’s a good thing based upon the last 8 games last season for the defense that is a really good thing for us
May 11th, 2017 at 12:21 pm
“This just demonstrates, after Mike Evans, how dismal the receiving corps of the Bucs was last year. Downright awful if not disgraceful.”
no it doesn’t. it can “prove” many things. it can prove jameis cannot throw in front of receiver to lead them. he throws many contested, behind, low, too high passes often! he has a lot of work to do.