More Generalities On Doug Martin
May 10th, 2017
Bucs GM speaks.
More Doug Martin non-drama for your Wednesday morning.
Last week, Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht appeared on “Schein on Sports,” hosted by popular sports television and radio personality Adam Schein, heard exclusively on SiriusXM Radio.
During the interview, Schein tried to pin Licht down on specifics on Martin’s future with the Bucs. To his credit, Licht danced better than Charles Sims in the flat. And as Licht has done the past few weeks, he offered no specifics on Martin.
Adam Schein: Jason, what is the confidence level in Doug Martin in terms of whether or not he gets it on or off the field, contributions for this upcoming season. What is your confidence level in Doug Martin?
Jason Licht: Well, I will put it to you this way: The confidence is growing every day. He is doing what he is supposed to do and he is looking great out here. And we have to remind ourselves he was the second-leading rusher in the NFL just two years ago. Teammates like him and he has done everything he has been asked so far. So we will see how it goes. but so far, so good.
Licht didn’t say one word about how many times they believe Martin can carry the rock, or that the Bucs expect him on the roster when his suspension ends, or whether he will remain the bellcow back. Nothing but generalities that one could also use to describe a lifeguard on Clearwater Beach.
To Licht’s credit, he didn’t talk about Martin playing in a sandbox again.
And as far as Martin being the second-leading rusher in the NFL two years ago, he sure was. Joe might also want to add that in three of his last four seasons, Martin has been garbage and the only time he had a productive season was in a contract year (hhhmmm?).
So the Bucs are going to bank on a guy with just under $6 million hanging over his head, who 75 percent of the time the past four years was as forgettable as Mike James and won’t be able to play until October?
May 10th, 2017 at 8:06 am
What can you do but wait and see how it goes? Alternative: Call him garbage every day until he’s able to put the pads on.
May 10th, 2017 at 8:08 am
He has a chip on his shoulder now and would be decent for a different team. After waiting 5 rounds to draft a rb theres no point in cutting him
May 10th, 2017 at 8:08 am
I have zero confidence in him. But do consider him a possible bonus. Right now, I like the risk/reward factor he brings. After all, every game is now a “contract game”. He knows he will never get another contract like he’s in right now and if he doesn’t produce, its over. Licht holds the cards and he, Doug and the agent know it. I imagine he either:
a) is working harder than ever and is working towards being the high level Doug Martin or
b) is truly washed up and done which will become evident in training camp
May 10th, 2017 at 8:11 am
Question: Does the agent receive funds up front when the contract is signed or will his contract be voided as well if Martin is cut
May 10th, 2017 at 8:11 am
Yes i agree. N he is coming out of rehab. One of the worst things u can do is put added expectations or pressure on someone trying to beat an addiction. Yes i know its a big boys league. Im speaking from a human perspective here. Plus it doesnt make sense to name him the man right now. He is gona miss 3 games, plus he first has to keep clean up to and through the season. I think the bucs are taking this just as doug is, day by day. Go bucs
May 10th, 2017 at 8:11 am
I’ve never met Doug Martin, but from what I’ve heard from him in interviews, he seems like a good guy. Some people seem so down on him. Let’s just see what happens down the road. I hope he gets a chance and succeeds. I’m not at all of the belief that he had a great season only because it was a contract year.
May 10th, 2017 at 8:31 am
Lickt sounds like a salesman trying to sell you a old bucket, lol….. she still runs great!! and she’s got style too….. so any major problems? does it have original engine? ….well all i’m gonna say is wait till you drive it…. the whole run around. Joe doe this sound like a sales pitch to you? i can see the writing on the wall, he’s trying to say he still has value to get a good trade or other teams interested in my opinion.
May 10th, 2017 at 8:31 am
Everytime joe reads GM or coach speak about Martin, he immediately goes to the “he sucks!!! he’s out of here!!!!!!” routine. It’s really tiresome.
May 10th, 2017 at 8:33 am
OMG.. wash.. rinse.. repeat.
May 10th, 2017 at 8:34 am
Keep your options open, don’t tip your hand.
whether he plays or not is of no consequence as his skill set is easily replaceable.
The up and down career of DM has more to do with how the oline performed than him. They kicked butt two years ago and he thrived. Tons of backs can do that.
Much ado about nuttin.
May 10th, 2017 at 8:35 am
Yeah Licht is giving Martin as much praise as he can without guaranteeing anything. I would expect as much.
May 10th, 2017 at 8:36 am
From last week but you post it today. Joe you bang the drum every day about this. Every day. Give it a rest for the good of the blog. It just makes you look bitter, everyone here is aware of your opinion. Its not like any of this is new information. Please?
May 10th, 2017 at 8:38 am
“What is the confidence level on Doug Martin in terms of whether or not he gets it on and off the field…”
“… The confidence is growing everyday…”
I dont get this. I really don’t. These Doug Martin articles are becoming more and more trolly.
Honestly just feels like click.
Doug Martin articles are the new Dalvin Cook articles.
May 10th, 2017 at 8:38 am
Keep poking that stick Joe. Martin had 2 great years when not injured from playing behind a mediocre line. Hmmm, you always seem to leave out his rookie year Joe. Face the facts Joe, Martin is the best choice for the buccaneers at this time.
May 10th, 2017 at 8:38 am
*click-bait*
May 10th, 2017 at 8:45 am
Continues to remind me of the “Lovie isn’t going anywhere” stance at the end of 2015 season.
If Licht has any neurons firing in that bobbling head of his he will keep Martin for 2016 and see if he bounces back. The bigger question mark is whether this oline’s balls are going to drop and they are going to get some push forward on this line for whoever is running the football. I know it doesn’t fit the shameless agenda being peddled around here but it is far more important than whether the GM makes general or specific statements in May about a player coming off of suspension in October.
May 10th, 2017 at 8:51 am
Speaking of martin performing in contract years, wouldnt this year be the same? Martin knows his contract is void. If he doesnt look like 2015 DM then he will be cut and probably won’t get a job anywhere
May 10th, 2017 at 8:55 am
Some of you act like Doug had some huge drug problem when in reality he most likely partied a few times thinking since he was out with an injury the NFL wouldn’t surprise him with a drug test. He went into rehab to show how serious he is taking this but make no mistake he isn’t battling any addiction. Yes he had a down year due to a bad hammy but he is by far the best back on our roster.
May 10th, 2017 at 8:57 am
If Martin was so bad as it has been stated so many times on this site then why did bobby head licht sign him to the new contarct instead of trading him at his max value?
May 10th, 2017 at 9:03 am
Everyone needs to accept the fact that the only people who know what is in store for Doug Martin are members of the inner circle at One Buc Place.
Other than that, all this is pure, unadulterated guessing/speculation/throwing sand in the wind/and so on and so forth…..
May 10th, 2017 at 9:13 am
It may be true…but I am getting tired of hearing “we have to remind ourselves he was the second-leading rusher in the NFL just two years ago”.
It seems like the Licht says it every time the topic comes up.
Okay, so its true. But it is also true Martin was playing for a contract and he could have done it because of the drugs.
I want to keep him around, but cautiously.
May 10th, 2017 at 9:15 am
What do you expect, Joe cant write about Cook anymore.
May 10th, 2017 at 9:20 am
If he’s the best running back in training camp and preseason he stays. If not he’s gone. I think he comes in with a clean slate. Its not like he raped somebody or broke a women’s face. Just sayin’
May 10th, 2017 at 9:21 am
I’m glad to see him back.
Current NFL is nothing like it used to be. Front offices are too quick to kick guys to the curb, with bad performance or negative incidents… It’s nice to see a team building culture
May 10th, 2017 at 9:22 am
LOL this is getting silly.
What is it with your distaste for Doug, Joe? You really don’t want him on this team, do you?
I still disagree with your perception and desire to have him off the team. He is very good when healthy, period.
Seems the front office disagrees with you as well and I’ll be sure to remind you when he’s on the roster by week 4, rushing for monster yards.
May 10th, 2017 at 9:28 am
Doug martin sucks. I hate the way these truthers come out to defend his terrible play every chance they get. Hes the new travis henry. 1-2 good seasons the rest poop. Give it a rest
May 10th, 2017 at 9:31 am
Come on joe. This isn’t new. Every gm coach says the same thing about every player. They never say a player “sucks” . Everything is always okay. We get it. U want him gone. We get it. You parading on the grey area
May 10th, 2017 at 9:40 am
Not to speak for Joe, but I don’t think it’s a matter of Joe or any of us “wanting” him gone. It’s more a matter of he can’t be trusted, and that roster spot could be better served on a more trustworthy player. I personally am just not confident we are going to get rookie Doug Martin, or Doug Martin from 2 years ago. If I knew that’s who we would be getting, then of course I would want him back. We all would. Just because he has played well on a contract year (one time) doesn’t mean he’s going to always play well in that situation. I don’t have any idea how motivated he really is. I don’t know him. I will trust the guys in the building who see him to make that final determination.
May 10th, 2017 at 9:40 am
Shoulda drafted Dalvin.
May 10th, 2017 at 9:55 am
@Hawaiian
But that is the great position that the Bucs are in!!!! Drug Martin is not taking up a roster spot!!!!! The Bucs can see what they have in all the other RB and offense before they have to decide!!!!! Let alone that if a injury happens to 1 or 2 of the RB’ s and having drug martin coming back week 4 instead of like last year where the Bucs were looking for RB off the street that did not know the offense!!!!
Or if the RB are good and the offense is great!! they can tell drug martin thanks for your services and good luck to you in your future endeavors!!!!!
Go Bucs!!!!!!!!!!
May 10th, 2017 at 9:56 am
Ok
May 10th, 2017 at 9:58 am
@BucRealist,
Absolutely. No argument from me on keeping him on the team, and not making a decision until the suspension is up.
May 10th, 2017 at 10:03 am
Conveniently left out of every argument about Martin is the actual fact that he had a severely torn hamstring. Tried to battle back and reinjured it. The initial injury probably happened because he was trying to escape all the defenders that the oline was constantly allowing in the backfield. I also wouldn’t be surprised is Martin was caught with a PED that he was using to help speed his recovery from said injury and had nothing to do with him being a selfish teammate using party drugs like so many of you irresponsibly assume he did. And if that is the case then there is no reason he shouldn’t be our starting tailback in 2017.
May 10th, 2017 at 10:04 am
Joe is channeling his inner Tom Jones here folks. Stop trying so hard to sell clicks.
So foolish. So the general manager speaks on national radio about Doug Martin and Joe should ignore it? Don’t be ridiculous. This isn’t the newspaper. And let Joe be the first to inform you that you know very little about what drives traffic on this website. Unlike Joe’s media brethren, Joe treats every story with the same prominence, and Joe doesn’t dabble in the rumor (click-selling) mill. If Joe were playing here to “sell clicks,” then this whole site and social media operation would be a lot different. Carry on. –Joe
May 10th, 2017 at 10:08 am
knucknbuc
Doug martin sucks?
Well your merit is gone and I will proceed to ignore your future posts.
Noted. Thanks.
May 10th, 2017 at 10:10 am
@DallasBuc,
You are out of your mind if you think the Doug Martin camp and the Bucs wouldn’t have gone crazy had the accusations been incorrect. Their silence says it all. They’ve had months to set the record straight, and at minimum deny that it was Molly’s. But what do you know, not a word. Also, you don’t go into rehab for PED’s! It’s really not hard to figure out. Do you also believe Josh Freeman only took Aderall for his ADHD?
May 10th, 2017 at 10:19 am
sorry joe, but I think doug will be back this year….that was evident once we waited until the 5th to grab a rb…..and I think he’ll run like a mad man….I don’t think doug was addicted, I just think he was partying too much and too hard….hanging with the wrong group will do that to you….GO BUCS!!!
May 10th, 2017 at 10:25 am
DEFF JEFF, How about changing your user name to DEFF AND DUMB JEFF?
Seriously dude, have a take and don’t suck as Jim Rome would say.
May 10th, 2017 at 10:32 am
“.I don’t think doug was addicted, I just think he was partying too much and too hard…”
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So exactly how do you explain him going into rehab?
May 10th, 2017 at 10:47 am
I think that Licht is leaving the door open because I think he told Martin he’ll be back if he does everything asked of him. If he doesn’t, he’s gone. I think that Licht believes that Martins lack of production was due to the drugs and if he can keep clean and focus solely on football he can regain his form. He’s also a good insurance policy to have if we have an injury before week 4 or if the running game starts off slow.
May 10th, 2017 at 10:54 am
Joe
The attacks on Doug Martin are a bit amusing as McCoy was just as injury prone early on in his career yet the Joes defend him. Kwon Alexander missed 4 games but is never labeled as an addict or someone who let his teammates down. 2 Pro Bowl years out of 5 isn’t great but it’s not worthy of the bashing Martin takes on here.
I’m looking forward to him being on the roster and adding this to the list of things the Joes got wrong
May 10th, 2017 at 11:04 am
If Doug Martin is finished here and Licht didn’t throw the kitchen sink at GB to move up and take Cook, Mixon, Foreman etc. I will be very disappointed. I suspect the passing game will be the key and maybe even Patriot like, but to go into the season with Sims, Rodgers, Barber and McNichols is a complete and utter failure IMO. I saw the film on McNichols- yes it is somewhat impressive but he is not D Cook, Foreman, Mixon. I am completely fine if Martin is carrying the ball for us this year (after game 3 of course), if not he better find a free agent somewhere. I was hoping Sims would be the odd guy out, I just think he has had his chance and hasn’t done well enough to warrant more of an opportunity. Enough with the Average!!
May 10th, 2017 at 11:05 am
@Tampa Tony,
Gerald McCoy has been one of the most durable DT’s in the league for the last 5 years. He’s only missed 5 games in 5 years. What exactly in the hell are you talking about? He has only had one season out of 7 where he missed more than 3 games. Doug has missed 23 games in 5 years. And Doug is not early on in his career. He’s going into his 6th season!!!
Kwon made a huge mistake, and cost his team. There’s no excusing him, but he was a rookie 4th round pick. He wasn’t a veteran who just signed a $50M contract. I’m sorry, but all things are not equal in the business of the NFL. I’m sorry if you can’t understand. Not bashing you, but it’s just the truth.
It’s not a matter of “bashing” Doug. It’s just he can’t be trusted. Do you trust him? Would you put your money on the table that he is going to recapture his Pro Bowl form? Of course you wouldn’t. You are willing to take the risk, as am I. However, you or I aren’t paying him millions of dollars. If we were, speaking for myself there’s no way I’m cutting that check.
May 10th, 2017 at 11:05 am
Yes !!! Doug Martin story , and Mike James reference my day is complete ..
May 10th, 2017 at 11:12 am
Hawaiian you make think I’m crazy but yes I would put money down on Doug returning to pro bowl form.
Seems to be exactly what the front office is doing too….
May 10th, 2017 at 11:22 am
@Hawaiian-
Comparing Dougs first 5 years with McCoys first 5 is a fair comparison as McCoy missed 3 games his rookie year and wasn’t very productive. His second season he missed 10 games his third season he wasn’t very productive although healthy for 16 games. He missed 16 games his first 5 seasons.
I don’t remember the Joes wanting McCoy gone after 5 seasons where he was only good for a season and a half.
You are right I don’t trust doug but I think you can’t discount his two awesome seasons either
May 10th, 2017 at 11:27 am
Can’t wait til joe gets this one wrong… see him back peddle outa this one.
May 10th, 2017 at 11:29 am
“So exactly how do you explain him going into rehab?”….
to escape those around him….that one of the best ways to clear your head and disconnect from all the bad influences surrounding him…..
if he said he was going back to Oakland to clear his head, im pretty sure friends would still find a way to be around him…..GO BUCS!!!!
May 10th, 2017 at 11:29 am
Again?
May 10th, 2017 at 11:40 am
If the Bucs can stick with easy Sweezy, they sure as hell can stick with Martin. Just sayin…….
May 10th, 2017 at 11:40 am
@Tampa Tony,
First of all, Gerald was a Pro Bowler his third season, so I would argue he wasn’t very productive. He has been to the Pro Bowl for 5 consecutive years. He is the model of consistency in that regard. I would bet money GMC makes it back to the Pro Bowl, and you wouldn’t put money up against me.
Second, this is a what have you done for me lately league. If you are ascending every year, that’s totally different from having a good year, followed by 2 bad years, followed by a good year, followed by a terrible year with a drug suspension. The arrow isn’t necessarily pointing upwards. Running backs historically fall off the cliff once they get to Doug’s age. There are exceptions (AD for example), but Doug isn’t the freak athlete some of those successful backs are.
Third, last I checked 23 games is more than 16 games.
Finally, had Gerald been suspended for drugs, that would be a totally different story. Doug took his money, partied, and probably cost his team a trip to the playoffs. That’s a hard pill for me to swallow. I will do it if the team brings him back, but I will be very uneasy about it.
May 10th, 2017 at 11:40 am
the gerbil community must love all this attention finally they are no longer second tier to hamsters and rats
May 10th, 2017 at 11:42 am
“If the Bucs can stick with easy Sweezy, they sure as hell can stick with Martin. Just sayin…….”
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Really? So a guy missing a year due to an injury is the same as a guy that partied and got suspended for drugs?
May 10th, 2017 at 11:42 am
either way you look at it both McCoy and Martin were horrible investments with very little ROI.
May 10th, 2017 at 11:44 am
All this doesn’t mean I don’t like Doug or don’t want him to be successful. Nothing could be further from the truth. I hope he gets it together and has a great career. I just don’t trust that to happen. I would love nothing more than to be wrong.
May 10th, 2017 at 11:45 am
“either way you look at it both McCoy and Martin were horrible investments with very little ROI.”
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Yeah, because being a 5 time pro bowler, a 3 time all-pro, and always in the top 100 players means nothing. It’s all about the amazing player evaluation of random people on the internet. Got it.
May 10th, 2017 at 11:46 am
The Bucs under Licht have been known to restructure contracts without releasing that info to the media for a long time, they just did so with Sweezy. It’s reasonable to think they did the exact same thing with Martin’s contract and made it non-guaranteed and extremely incentive laden.
If Doug only produces on contract years, considering his contract, if it hasn’t already been restructured, is no longer guaranteed… so this year is effectively a contract year. Based on that assumption, he should perform well this season.
May 10th, 2017 at 11:47 am
There goes another dumb post by tmax. McCoy was a terrible investment with little return?
SMH. Your comments speak for themselves.
May 10th, 2017 at 11:53 am
Let me help you little Eric… I’ll keep it simple
The object of the game is to WIN
NFL Teams are judged on WINs nothing else
The bucs have paid Martin and McCoy a ton of money during their tenure and the bucs have produced one of the worst win loss records in nfl history during that stretch. In order to receive a postiv return on your investment you must WIN the bucs have NOT won during the tenure of Gerbil or Soft Serve thus the there was very little Return On Investment (ROI)….
Basic investment here… not complicated. The bucs pay these players to produce WINS which is the object of the game. Not a lot of wins for loser mccoy and unreliable martin.
May 10th, 2017 at 11:54 am
@Eric,
But how many strip sacks returned for TD’s in the fourth quarter to break a tie did he have? I mean, he said so himself that he needs to play better late in the game. That clearly means he is terrible and has been a complete waste of money. #sarcasm
May 10th, 2017 at 11:55 am
hawaiian
your girl has been all pro ONCE…. and the pro bowls are as meaningless as being one and done in the playoffs.
May 10th, 2017 at 11:57 am
@tmaxcon,
So let me get this straight: in the ultimate team sport, you are going to blame the 3 technique (and the RB for that matter)? You don’t think it has maybe something to do with the terrible coaching hires, the miserable QB play, the lack of depth at virtually every position, and the lack of talent at other areas? I know you’re not this stupid, you’re just taking out your hatred of McCoy, and twisting stats to fit your agenda. I get it, but it’s really kind of weird.
May 10th, 2017 at 11:58 am
@Tmax,
No, check it again. 3 times. Nice try though.
May 10th, 2017 at 11:59 am
Pro Bowls are meaningless, lol. I wonder why that’s literally the first thing mentioned when talking about players being considered for the Hall of Fame.
May 10th, 2017 at 12:00 pm
Are you correlating a player’s production to overall team’s success?
Joe Thomas is a terrible investment for the browns. Why did they pay him all that money when they have been so bad for so long? Why even pay someone when the team sucks?
Do you realize how stupid your rational is? Can you get any dumber?
If you only knew my background in finance, you wouldn’t attempt to be so condescending, cuz you would get schooled in person.
Fact is player production is irrelevant to a team’s success. Hawaiian gets it. Why can’t you think a little harder to get it?
Dan Marino was a terrible investment. He never won a ring. SMH
tmax logic: unless a TEAM wins a lot, no investment on a specific player will have a return. GTFOH
May 10th, 2017 at 12:04 pm
@Eric,
Barry Sanders was also a bad investment. The Lions should have cut him before he retired. Same applies for Dick Butkus and Gale Sayers. Horrible wastes of money.
May 10th, 2017 at 12:07 pm
Not drafting a RB until the 5th is a huge sign saying they are bringing doug back
May 10th, 2017 at 12:17 pm
Soo many bad investments in history. I really don’t think any player should have ever played football with the exception of the players on rosters of superbowl winning teams.
Now Cameron Fleming, the third string RT on the patriots, that’s a great investment. If only they could have had the money that was given to Gerald McCoy to give to fleming. He is a true roi considering his team won the super bowl!!!!!
smh
May 10th, 2017 at 12:20 pm
“The only time Martin played good was in a contract year”…..This year kind of fits that scenario seeing how no team will pay him what the Bucs have him under contract for. If he plays well this year, next year is another contract year. That’s the leverage of voiding the guarantee when the RB market is crappy for a 28 yr old. After seeing Peterson barely get $8 million with incentives, Martin knows A) hes no Peterson and B) the market will be garbage for him. Horse meet carrot….
May 10th, 2017 at 12:20 pm
@Hawaiian,
What part of Hawaii you from? Buc Fan from Oahu, just love reading all your posts. Have a Blessed day Aloha!
May 10th, 2017 at 12:27 pm
If they were gonna cut doug they’d have done so.
What kind of message does it send to players and agents that they cut a player after a suspension? Other players and potential free agents will see how the team treated a player and will stay away from this team if doug is cut after serving his time
May 10th, 2017 at 12:28 pm
@808BUCS,
Aloha brother! I’ve lived all over Oahu – Honolulu, Aiea, Kaneohe, Kailua, Ewa Beach, and Kapolei. I ran out of places to live on Oahu, so I moved to Tampa, lol.
May 10th, 2017 at 12:29 pm
@808BUCS,
Aloha brother! I’ve lived all over Oahu – Honolulu, Aiea, Kaneohe, Kailua, Ewa Beach, and Kapolei.
May 10th, 2017 at 12:31 pm
“What kind of message does it send to players and agents that they cut a player after a suspension? Other players and potential free agents will see how the team treated a player and will stay away from this team if doug is cut after serving his time”
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So you think we are the only team that has cut a guy after a suspension? Have you ever actually watched the NFL? Lol.
It would be moronic to cut Doug right now. There is literally no advantage in getting rid of him now. People always forget this is a business. The organization is going to do what’s best for the organization. Really not that complicated.
May 10th, 2017 at 12:34 pm
Maybe those players worried about how the team is going to respond if a player gets suspended for drugs should maybe be more worried about not getting suspended.
May 10th, 2017 at 12:45 pm
Let’s just say I have more confidence in Doug Martin than I do in the Joes.
May 10th, 2017 at 1:01 pm
Oh my god some of you guys are crazy. One guy suggested Marting when into rehab, not because he had a problem but to show how serious he was about repairing his image. No way dude. Going into rehab is proof you have a #$%&ing problem and would send off alarm bells to any and all NFL franchises. An athlete going to rehab is bad news.
May 10th, 2017 at 1:04 pm
Lol Tampa Tony, oh how awful it would be if drug addicted athletes decided not to come to Tampa. If you’re a drug addict you won’t have long in the NFL, no matter what team you play for.
May 10th, 2017 at 1:09 pm
Is Anyone on this board close to Martin & know for a fact about what exactly went down?
May 10th, 2017 at 1:14 pm
@Hawaiian…doug got popped 1 time…..its not like he’s a repeat offender….suggesting he’s addicted is ridiculous and just down right shameful….
players like Randy Gregory, Martivous Bryant, Josh Gordon would be classified as being addicted….GO BUCS!!!!
May 10th, 2017 at 1:16 pm
@813bucboi – so true my dude.
May 10th, 2017 at 1:27 pm
@eric 2 years out of 5. Keep telling yourself that hes good. Every running back playing last year was better then him except maybe charles sims. Facts.
May 10th, 2017 at 1:32 pm
im not denying he sucked last year. but he had a torn hamstring.
I’m just saying, if you think a top 2x top 3 running back sucks OVERALL, you need lessons my dude.
Again, he sucked when INJURED last year and the other two seasons he was INJURED, but OVERALL doug martin does not suck. come on man.
May 10th, 2017 at 1:33 pm
***2x top 3 rb
May 10th, 2017 at 1:38 pm
Licht is saying what he has to now. Def was not a ringing endorsement that’s for certain. Get ready for a lot of McNichols, Quiz, Sims, and Peyton. Thats our RB group to focus on.
May 10th, 2017 at 1:38 pm
if doug was addicted to a drug, the time he spent in rehab wasn’t long enough to get over his addiction….he was gone how long?….2 months?….I haven’t been to rehab but I do know a couple people that have family members that have went to rehab….here’s no way you can become clean and sober in a few months after years of drug use…..and for the record, I don’t think he was/is addicted to any drug….I think he was hanging around the wrong people and partying to hard to often….once the suspension was handed out, he saw that as a wake up call….someone (probably licht) suggested going into rehab….he may have suggested go into rehab to clear your mind and don’t worry about football….come back healthy and focused and we’ll take it from there…..this isn’t farfetched….licht is clearly giving doug every opportunity to succeed with the bucs……
but yeah, he’s a junky that has been using drugs for years and is washed up…RIGHT…..GO BUCS!!!!
May 10th, 2017 at 1:39 pm
813 – He went to rehab! I have a couple of beers every now and then. I have never been to rehab though. You know why? Because I am not addicted. Rehab is not for guys who throw back a couple of beers every now and then or smoke a joint a couple times a year. Rehab is used to treat addictions!
May 10th, 2017 at 1:39 pm
“@Hawaiian…doug got popped 1 time…..its not like he’s a repeat offender….suggesting he’s addicted is ridiculous and just down right shameful….”
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Are you serious right now? He went into fudging rehab!!!!!!!! Why do people go into rehab? Because they are addicted. This is becoming hilarious.
May 10th, 2017 at 1:41 pm
He could have gone to the Bahamas for a few weeks to clear his mind. Rehab is not where you go just to clear your mind lol.
May 10th, 2017 at 1:43 pm
@813bucboi,
Ok, so let me get this straight: He was not addicted to drugs, he was partying too much. But if he is addicted to drugs, then he wasn’t in rehab long enough, meaning he would still be addicted. And you see either of these scenarios as a good thing?
May 10th, 2017 at 2:18 pm
Let’s go Doug! Force feed the doubters rotten crow.
May 10th, 2017 at 2:23 pm
Here’s an inconvenient truth people keep ignoring: IF MARTIN DID NOT TEST POSITIVE, HE WOULD STILL BE YOUR STARTING TAILBACK FOR 2017. That’s fact. All of a sudden, we’re trying to run him out of town because of injury (Oh! What a surprise!) and a positive test. And we have soooooo many reliable backs on the roster!!!!!!!
May 10th, 2017 at 2:29 pm
@Hawaiian,
ppl also go into ‘rehab’ for the public relations aspect… AKA he did something wrong, now he’s correcting it, etc.
That fact is that not you, myself, 813, or anyone else really knows what he tested for, if he has a real problem or not, and what his rehab program actually entailed. So everyone needs to chill the fk out and stop acting like they know more.
May 10th, 2017 at 2:35 pm
Rehab is for quitters.
May 10th, 2017 at 2:44 pm
Guess what guys? No matter what you say, at this point I can find solace that licht/koetter don’t agree with the people asking to run him out of town.
I like Doug, I’m biased but I hope he does well with us this season. And all signs are pointing that direction so keep on hating guys.
May 10th, 2017 at 2:46 pm
Hawaiian Buc Says:
No offense, but Complete Nonsense.
I’ve been directly involved a couple dozen times with people who went to “rehab” for different reasons, alcohol, drugs or sex. Many do so for reasons other than “addiction.” Many are to do image, PR or relationship rehab.
Bill Clinton did outpatient “rehab” with Jesse Jackson for sex addiction. Do you honestly think he thinks himself “addicted?”
How about Anthony Weiner?
You keep pounding a tambourine that doesn’t exist.
May 10th, 2017 at 2:47 pm
lol Dave Pear!
May 10th, 2017 at 3:16 pm
Ok, so this is really getting good. So now maybe Doug is going into rehab for public relations? So he’s not really serious about quitting drugs, he just wants to appear to be? Hmmm, that sounds like someone I would give $7M to.
May 10th, 2017 at 3:16 pm
“Bill Clinton did outpatient “rehab” with Jesse Jackson for sex addiction. Do you honestly think he thinks himself “addicted?””
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There’s so much I want to say about this, but I’m going to use better judgement.
May 10th, 2017 at 3:21 pm
Walk away Hawaiian. Better yet, run. I had to bite my tongue as well, just from a comedic standpoint.
May 10th, 2017 at 3:24 pm
The fact is Doug was partying hard and doing ecstasy, and he got caught. You can call that an accusation all you want, but we all know it’s the truth. Maybe Doug’s camp and the Bucs deny it for public relations reasons? LMAO. You’re not stupid, you’re just trying to fit misplaced points around your agenda. He hurt our team last year, and probably cost us a trip to the playoffs. He has a problem, and I sincerely hope he fixes it and comes back and leads the league in rushing. But I’m not so naive to truly believe it’s going to happen, and I’m smart enough to understand this is a business, and it’s not smart from a business perspective to count on him. As for comparing him to other players, all players aren’t the same, and they aren’t treated the same. If our long snapper gets arrested for a DUI, he’s gone. If Jameis does, cutting him would never be an option. It’s called reality. You should try living in it.
As I’ve said countless times, I don’t think the decision has been made. I believe it’s a long shot he comes back, but the team is taking the smart approach to wait and see. But I’m not going to give him a pass for what he did last year. I will cheer my arse off for him if he’s on our roster, but for now I’m not going to pretend like all is well. He let our team down by making a selfish decision. No matter what you say, no one can argue that is 100% fact.
May 10th, 2017 at 3:26 pm
Lot of people on here are gonna be doing a lot of back peddling once Doug is on this team after week 3
Joes were wrong about Dominik, Manziel, Vic Beasley and thinking Lovie Smith was safe
May 10th, 2017 at 3:28 pm
@COBRABOY…….thanks for the clarification….GO BUCS!!!!!
May 10th, 2017 at 3:32 pm
@HAWAIIAN…..have you ever stopped to think about the type of people that work at a rehab center?…..those people are called counselors…..just because a person checks into “rehab” doesn’t mean they are addicted to a drug….some people go for the counseling…..this is a perfect example of that…..GO BUCS!!!!
May 10th, 2017 at 3:38 pm
He could have gone to the Bahamas for a few weeks to clear his mind. Rehab is not where you go just to clear your mind lol…
and his friend would follow him right to the fish fry……I doubt his friends wanted to follow him to rehab…..
DOUG: hey bro, im headed to the Bahamas to clear my mind and reevaluate my life…
FRIEND: sounds great, when we leaving?
DOUG:hey bro, im headed to rehab to clear my mind and reevaluate my life…
FRIEND: damn bro, good luck…when you coming back?
see how that works…..this will also allow doug to find out who his true friends are….the ones that really care about him and his well being…..GO BUCS!!!!
May 10th, 2017 at 3:59 pm
I have a couple of beers every now and then. I have never been to rehab though. You know why? Because I am not addicted. Rehab is not for guys who throw back a couple of beers every now and then or smoke a joint a couple times a year. Rehab is used to treat addictions
this is such an uneducated comment…..first, if you had a beer every once in a while but your mood/attitude changed drastically then one could draw the conclusion that alcohol has a negative effect on you…..if it hinders your relationship with others or effects you at the work place then one can draw the conclusion that you need help…..
now, you may not see yourself as someone that needs help or is addicted…..but if your loved ones and boss said you need to go get treatment then you have to do what you have to do…..
now, people with shallow minds think that if a person is checking into rehab they must be a junky and once they begin the process, they are locked in a room balled up in the bed shivering and shaking from withdraws……NOT TRUE…..
there are “rehab” centers that offer counseling(only) to those in need…..do yall really think if licht had any sense of doug being addicted to a certain drug, that he would waste his time and energy on doug?….GO BUCS!!!!
May 10th, 2017 at 4:06 pm
You guys can believe whatever you want. If you think Doug went there for counseling, that’s on you. If you don’t think he had a problem, good for you. I live in the real world. Maybe one day you could join me.
As for me back peddling, I’ve already said I’ll support the decision of the team. I’ll never bring it up again (unless of course he were to get popped again). In fact, you’ll never see a bigger Doug Martin supporter than me if he is on the team. But that doesn’t mean that he didn’t make a huge mistake. He would tell you that himself I’m sure. I’m not going to excuse him, but I’ll certainly give him a second chance. But one thing I won’t do is say he went to rehab to clear his freaking mind. That’s the dumbest thing I may have ever heard.
May 10th, 2017 at 4:42 pm
No one’s giving him a pass but clearly you don’t understand the public relations side of professional sports. My whole point is you don’t know any more than me or anyone else as to what really happened, what he actually tested positive for, or what his rehab entails.
Some people go to rehab cuz they actually need it. Some do it because it is court ordered, but they are not real addicts. And yes, some do it for the PR aspect as a way to publicly show they are righting their wrong. Pretty simple to be honest.
May 10th, 2017 at 4:56 pm
I know that if he didn’t get popped for Molly’s, he would have said so. How can you possibly justify him not? The end.
May 10th, 2017 at 5:18 pm
Its not about if you are drinking or drugging every day or not. If your drugging affects your life in a negative way, has bad consequences etc then you are an addict. Id say having a terrible professional year, getting suspended 4 games, possibly losing millions of dollars and almost your job,qualifies. Thats why he went to rehab. Not to save his image or any other nonsense you guys are spewing. He is an addict, plain and simple. Im rooting for him. Cmon dougie keep at it!! Go bucs
May 10th, 2017 at 5:51 pm
Hawaiian, maybe he got popped for cocaine? We’ll never know, but I don’t think he’d admit to cocaine either. Bottom line is he will never reveal what he got popped for. He’s addicted to something, and if he convinces Licht that it’s all behind him and he’s team-first , I think he’ll be back.
May 10th, 2017 at 6:11 pm
Hawaiian Buc Says:
May 10th, 2017 at 4:56 pm
I know that if he didn’t get popped for Molly’s, he would have said so. How can you possibly justify him not? The end.
Are you kidding me? These guys never say what it actually is. All we ever hear are rumors, usually about aderall (or an energy drink in Kwon’s case). What world do you live in?
May 10th, 2017 at 6:24 pm
@ Hawaiian:
NFL Network’s Ian Rapaport reported on 12/28 the substance was adderall. I was surprisedm because as an employee of the NFL he’s not supposed to report the specific drug. I suspect he got his ears boxed by both the Commissioner and Players Association lawyers.
It was the guy on 620 who still stands by his “the deBartolo’s will buy the Bucs any day now” bloviation that claimed “Molly” from “his sources.”
You can choose to believe the NFL, or you can choose to believe a shock jock with a track record of being full of crap. Your choice.
FACT: it was reported by the NFL as a “violation of the NFL PED policy.” Had it been a recreational drug like weed, coke, crank, molly, ecstasy or others, the official NFL report would have said “violation of the NFL drug policy.” Two different animals.
I know, details, details…
May 10th, 2017 at 7:10 pm
Uh Cobra mollie is actually listed as a performance enhancing drug. As is coke. I know, details, details.
May 10th, 2017 at 9:54 pm
If you guys want to believe it was aderrall, more power to you. I’m done explaining things that you can’t understand.
May 10th, 2017 at 9:59 pm
Ok, I lied. Thinking about it a little more, I have no doubt he tested positive for aderrall. Do you know why people take aderrall? They take it so they can focus after a long night of partying. You guys want to give him every excuse in the book, but you are failing to admit what deep down you already know.
May 10th, 2017 at 10:27 pm
I don’t think it is really fair to say Martin was garbage in 2013 or 2014. 2013 he missed most of the season after Glennon hung him out to dry on that wheel route. Why would you consider Martin suffering a shoulder injury as him being garbage? And the o line that season? All but 1 of them lost their jobs that next offseason.
And in 2014 I dare anyone here to say that the bucs o line of 2014 had any shred of decency. Once again resulting in all but 1 of the o lineman losing their jobs. And again nagging injuries slowed Martin down and forced him to miss time. But even with that he was able to manage 3.7 ypc. Not great, but with that o line it is a minor miracle.
If you want to play the unreliable because of injury card, you can just forget it. All RBs get hurt. All miss time sometime or another. But not all RBs are all pro selections. With RBs it is the nature of the beast. They are often injured and have short careers. Every one of you know this, but ignore it when it comes to Martin. Martin is not any more injury prone than any other RB.
Sure some of Martin’s short coming are of his own doing. But I do not think it is right to say Martin was garbage all of those years. He may not have been a top 10 rusher, but it wasn’t all his fault. How well do you expect a RB to perform with Glennon or Mccown at QB? Loaded 8 man fronts all game long. Because the QBs suck so bad the defenses don’t even care if they try to throw. The predictable play calling of a first time offensive coordinator. The list goes on. The running game those years was not very good. But Martin was not the root cause of any of those issues. Stop blaming Martin for all of it. His stats were garbage because the teams were garbage. Try to refute that. Give me one shread of reasoning that it was Martin’s fault. I’ll wait. Really I will. I want to hear what anyone has to say about the 2013-2014 teams being world beaters and Martin dragged them all down.
May 10th, 2017 at 10:32 pm
@ Touchdown:
You are incorrect. According to the list of various banned substances on the official NFLPA/NFL list, Benzoylecognine—that’s cocaine—is not listed as a stimulant, but adderall is.
https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.net/media/Default/PDFs/Player%20Planner/2014%20NFL%20List%20of%20Prohibited%20Substances.pdf
Here is the drug policy of the NFL:
https://nflpaweb.blob.core.windows.net/media/Default/PDFs/Player%20Development/2015%20Policy%20and%20Program%20on%20Substances%20of%20Abuse.pdf
“Substance Abuse”, i.e. recreational drugs is considered a medical matter. PED’s are considered a competitive matter. Two completely different issues.
According to the NFL/NFLPA policy, there is a 4 month window players can be tested for “substance abuse” and they are all during the off season, 4/20 through 8/9. PED’s are tested throughout the year, but not on Game Day. This is what caught Martin, because it was during the season and NOT in the off season.
The rules and policies are out there for anyone who cares to become more knowledgeable.
But here is the bottom line: no, Martin was NOT popped for Molly or ecstasy, because those are only tested during the off season. However, adderall IS tested during the season, and that is what got Martin nailed.
I’m not trying to argue with anybody. I just want to bring some knowledge to the table. Fact > bullPelosi.
May 10th, 2017 at 10:46 pm
The hatorade against Doug Martin continues.
I’m getting sleeeepy!!!😴😴😴😴
May 11th, 2017 at 5:00 am
Hawaiian,
Your opinion is D.M. is a Molly addict. And after a brief reflection acknowledge the probability of an adderrall positive result. Cobra posted the types of tests and dates of the testing periods for anyone to read.
So what you’re saying is;
· You now acknowledge DM was taking Adderral.
· Your opinion is He was taking Molly.
· Adderrall is in and of itself not important as it was taken to
offset the effects of the Molly.
· DM is addicted to Molly.
· DM is not addicted to adderral.
Why are you , seemingly, dismissal of one drug and arguing the other, in such a self evident style as to the point of making one inconsequential and the other the chemical equivalent to crack? Molly vs adderrall, aren’t they both a problem?
If DM is, as you state, a Molly addict. And If Cobra is correct on the positive result for adderrall. Which drug is more of a problem going forward?
May 11th, 2017 at 5:18 am
@Cobraboy,
The evidence that you have presented is compelling and unimpeachable. Well done Sir!
But I would like to point out that the allegations of Molly use by DM is something that wouldn’t surprise anyone who frequents Tampa’ s night clubs and/or party scene. I place zero credibility in the 620 host responsible for those claims. But I don’t dismiss the possibility that
May 11th, 2017 at 5:37 am
@Cobraboy,
The evidence that you have presented is compelling and unimpeachable. Well done Sir!
That said, I think it’s a possible that there’s maybe some truth on the other side. You’ve nailed down there’s no possibility that the test was + for Molly. But, I would like to point out that the allegations of Molly use by DM is something that wouldn’t surprise anyone who frequents Tampa’ s night clubs and/or party scene. For the record, I place zero credibility in the 620 host responsible for those claims. However, based on the local environment I believe it’s a possibility that DM has taken Molly. This would account for some of the rumors that DM was not 100% physically.
Point is, Cobra you’re not a one dimensional thinker. I’ll trust you to understand the implications of that observation in context to this issue.
May 11th, 2017 at 8:50 am
It really is irrelevant what type of drugs he took. Fact of the matter is he is making too much money to be taking drugs. He’s not on a rookie contract. I’m sorry, but this is business and it does matter. Couple that with the fact that he is getting old by running back standards and he didn’t look good last year, I don’t have confidence in him. However, my opinion doesn’t matter, and neither does yours. I trust in this organization to make the right decision, but I’ve seen this story many times before and it doesn’t usually end with the player keeping his job and/or money. But we shall see.
May 11th, 2017 at 8:53 am
@ Duke. Thanks.
My bias is toward fact, not rumor.
We don’t know about Molly. May be, may not, all conjecture.
But for anyone to say “Doug Martin is a Molly addict” does so without one shred of evidence.
If he’s on the team, I wish him great health and success. And my gut (my personal conjecture organ) says he may have a stellar year barring injury.
Aqib Talib got popped for adderall, too. I wouldn’t mind having him back…
May 11th, 2017 at 11:04 am
Hawaiian,
I agree with where you ended. Usually, all things considered these types of incidents seldom end favorably.
The reason I specifically asked about the two drugs is because of one factor you mentioned. DM is getting older and may feel he had lost a step. If that’s the case, it’s pure guessing,then adderrall makes sense in that He sought a substance that improves His training and ‘rehab work. If it was the other, then He’s just acting irresponsibly and partying. The latter to me spells big trouble the former is a guy cheating for an edge.