Dalvin Cook “Close”
March 16th, 2017
Possibility not far-fetched.
It seems like a number of Bucs fans are unaware teams can actually trade up in the first round for a player they want.
Many of these same Stick Carriers scoff at even the thought of the Bucs drafting running back Dalvin Cook, waving off the notion because he won’t be there at No. 19; he’s too good.
Perhaps.
But under further examination, Pat Kirwan, the former Jets personnel chief and ex-linebackers coach, thinks Cook might slither close enough that the Bucs could pull off a trade without giving up the farm to get him.
Earlier this week, a Bucs fan caller asked Kirwan, who runs the fantastic website Real Football Network and co-hosts the best damned football show on radio with Jim Miller, “Movin’ the Chains,” heard exclusively on SiriusXM NFL Radio, if Cook would be available at No. 19.
Initially, Kirwan thought it impossible, but the more he thought about it, the more he thought about it on air the more he envisioned the Bucs drafting Cook.
“Your Cook question, [sighs] I don’t know Jim,” Kirwan said. “I think he will be gone [by No. 19]. I don’t think they will [trade up]. I think they will like to keep drafting as they go here. [Drafting a running back in the first round] is a function of [Doug] Martin. If you send him out to pasture and say goodbye, then you need to take a big time back.
“You know, Cook has a couple of issues around him that he might slide a little bit for you and down to you. It will be close.”
Kirwan did not specify what those issues may be. If it is fumbling, Joe would like to know how many fumbles Cook had last year when he styled near the goal line and simply dropped the football. Dumb to be sure, but easily correctable.
Bucs AC/DC-loving general manager Jason Licht has shown to be bold when it comes to the draft. He had no problem trading up to draft a Division-III offensive lineman and he hit the jackpot. He also showed stones drafting up into the second round to draft a kicker, a move that, thus far, suggests Licht outsmarted himself and stepped in a large pile of fresh French Quarter mule dung. Eh, win some; lose some.
If Licht will trade up to draft a Division-III lineman and a kicker, then what exactly would stop him from trading up a few slots to land an explosive, every-down running back that would be the final piece to his offensive puzzle?
If Cook slips to, say, No. 12, should we all be on Licht Watch 2017?
March 16th, 2017 at 9:08 am
I like notion of moving up a few spots to get Cook.
March 16th, 2017 at 9:09 am
12 is reasonable. Trading into the top 10 would be a reach seeing as we have other holes we need to fill..ah thank you
Driving up to tally as we speak from Naples. Joe can we get an ira podcast sometime in the next cpl hours?
March 16th, 2017 at 9:15 am
Take the best player available at 19
March 16th, 2017 at 9:15 am
Shoulder injury is what will have him slide a little.
March 16th, 2017 at 9:15 am
His fumbling issue was corrected after his 1st year in college. The “0ther issues” are injury concerns and entourage concerns. I’m a huge DCook fan but not into trading up to get him. Too many good options and holes to fill to give away any picks. A 4 or 5th round cb or Wr is more likely to hit in this draft with the depth in those positions.
March 16th, 2017 at 9:19 am
I’m not nearly impressed enough with any of these RBs to take one in the first. It’s a deep but not top heavy RB draft class imo. Take one later.
March 16th, 2017 at 9:21 am
I’ve be waiting a long time for a kicker thread. So here goes.
My favorite kicker in last years draft was Martin Ross and the Bucs should keep do what they can to bring him into camp to compete with a Aguayo. He is currently the 2nd kicker on the jets roster.
March 16th, 2017 at 9:24 am
Character issues. Personally Im not a fan. Tho I did see a mock yesterday that actually had fournette sliding to us though that is unlikely.
Id be ok going defense with this pick
March 16th, 2017 at 9:25 am
Hell no. Draft him at 19 at the earliest but he should still be available. Better yet take Mixon in the 2nd round
March 16th, 2017 at 9:28 am
Licht has yet to give up draft picks to move up. He’s traded back then moved up using the capital he acquired but hasn’t given up original picks. Moving up in the first for an ‘explosive’ RB would cost picks.
Cook is a clean prospect as long as you ignore his legal issues and shoulder issues (2 surgeries)
He’s explosive only if you ignore the fact that he has below average athletic (9th percentile SPARQ athlete) scores.
He’s a target for Licht only if you ignore evidence that shows Licht loves guys with high SPARQ scores.
March 16th, 2017 at 9:28 am
No more than 2-3 spots up. Anything else would cost too much.
But you are assuming they will want Cook. If the right defensive player falls, they might well go after him. I doubt they target a WR either.
March 16th, 2017 at 9:29 am
Huhh. They certainly aren’t trading up for Dalvin Cook or even take him at 19.
March 16th, 2017 at 9:31 am
*even possibly not take him at 19.
March 16th, 2017 at 9:32 am
Why are we even thinking about trading up for Cook?
1. I actually think between the shoulder issues, the off field issues, and the mediocre combine performance he will slip to us at 19 if we want him.
2. This is the most stacked draft in quite some time, why are we wanting to give up valuable picks to move up and take a guy in a position that is scattered with talent this year in the 2nd and 3rd round range.
3. If you are trading up from 19 to 12, it better be for Hooker or Adams.
March 16th, 2017 at 9:33 am
ugg i need coffee.
March 16th, 2017 at 9:33 am
Take the BPA of the 3 WR, 2 TE or 3 RB. If none of them are available then trade down, take an OL or DL. If you can’t get a RB in the first, take Kareem Hunt in the 3rd after taking a S or WR in the 2nd. My preference is OJ Howard or Cory Davis in the 1st as a “Weapon for Winston”, but I don’t know if either will be there.
March 16th, 2017 at 9:34 am
after last year’s debacle, a trade up for another Jameis teammate seems like Licht would be risking his GM career on Cook…by far no sure thing as a star back…no place for fumblers on this squad…
March 16th, 2017 at 9:34 am
Its funny to me that people do not realize zeke elliot was only drafted in the Top 5 because of Jerry Jones. Not because he was some generational talent. Gurley is more talented than Zeke and he was not top 5! What is more crazy to me is that people do not understand that DC and LF are in the same class as Zeke. Two years ago before any of those Rbs came out, check the tape for that yr, they were the best three in CFB. Henry was just a TD machine on the best team, not the best back. Just like the 2015 draft, both Gurley and Gordon fell out of the top 10 because of smart GMs who didnt want to spend a pick that high on a RB. Same will happen this year with DC and LF. WATCH THE TAPE. Go Bucs!
March 16th, 2017 at 9:35 am
No running back in this draft is worth two high picks. None. Cook is very good but not special. After the Aguayo debacle last year I hope Licht got a note from the Glazers putting him on a leash when it comes to trading up. Some employees need a little help doing the right thing.
#nowastedpicks2017
March 16th, 2017 at 9:36 am
They stay put or trade back….Lots of hype about offensive players in this draft, we may find a steal on D-line or in the secondary that makes the choice easy.
March 16th, 2017 at 9:37 am
best available, that is a RT, FS or WR would make more sense….good backs in mid rounds this year…
March 16th, 2017 at 9:37 am
I’m for getting OJ at 19 if available because he can affect the pass AND run game immensely where as a rb pretty much the run game because Fameis rarely dumps it off because he’s always looking down field. IF NOSBOS and some others are right and he’s the game changer we need then how can you get upset? As much play action Welcome Back Koetter calls that too would open up the field for Action Jackson and Godzilla13. It’s all gravy baby!
March 16th, 2017 at 9:39 am
This is how I think it is going to go with Cook. If the Jags take Fournette at #4 then I don’t think Cook makes it past the Panthers at #8. If the Jags don’t take a RB then I think Fournette goes at #8 to the Panthers and then it will be interesting how far Cook will fall.
Bengals could look at RB but I think they will reach for OL at #9, Eagles and Colts could look at RB but I think Philly goes CB and Colts have to address their defense. Washington could be in play for a RB but after losing Baker they could look at DL. Those are the teams in front of us that could go RB imo.
Then you have to factor in this. Once you take into account all of the negatives against Cook (injuries, fumbles, character) and the ones on McCaffrey (size) exactly how big is the gap between the 2? If one of the teams I mentioned does go RB they could lead towards taking McCaffrey over Cook.
Honestly I think there is a really good chance Cook will fall to #19 which I thought was impossible a couple months ago. Now that doesn’t mean he will for sure be the pick, but he will be hard to pass.
March 16th, 2017 at 9:40 am
Best player available… no pixxing in the wind this year please
March 16th, 2017 at 9:42 am
If Martin shows commitment on his rehab, Licht will gamble on a 1 year prove it deal. If Martin becomes a new player like Evans did last year, Martin is the best RB to help us reach our goal. He already knows the system and will be ready to keep Winston’s growth on a steady climb.
In that case we should look to bring another TE to compliment Brate and more speed at WR. An athletic Center in the draft will calm down the fans.
Go Bucs!!!
March 16th, 2017 at 9:42 am
Maze I think Mixon makes it to 3. Grab him then and hold a press conference apologizing to fans.
March 16th, 2017 at 9:43 am
Get dalvin. Whatever it takes
March 16th, 2017 at 9:44 am
No trading up, no drafting a RB in the first rd.
OL, secondary, and DE are much bigger needs that are harder to find as Day 1 starters later in the draft.
March 16th, 2017 at 9:44 am
To all the people who did not think cook would fall a few months ago what has changed? The underwear Olympics that he did not perform well in? At least he performed in all the drills UNLIKE LF. Not that I dont want him to fall. If the Bucs land him at 19 its a STEAL. But this is SILLY SEASON. He will be either the first or second back off the board. His talent was shown ON THE FIELD IN REAL GAMES over two and a half seasons. FSU record setting running back. Balled out on all of the top defenses. Its a no brain-er. Here is to hoping Cook falls. Bucs need to stay put at 19 and draft BPA. If cook falls, this will surely kill two birds with one stone, BPA and need. Perfect first round pick
March 16th, 2017 at 9:45 am
To move from just #19 to #15 would cost the Bucs their 3rd rd pick (per the draft pick trade chart). IT is a draft that is said to be deep in RBs. I say stay at 19 and if he drops, great, if not, BPA
March 16th, 2017 at 9:45 am
The Bucs needs to draft a OL at 19! This game is won in the trenches and we are in need of a RT/LG and OL depth. I am not sold on Sweezy until he is actually playing. Hawley looked pretty hurt/tired at the end of the year. This draft is deep at RB if McCaffery/Cook not there.
Zeke is great because he is running behind the best OL in football at the moment.
March 16th, 2017 at 9:47 am
Dalvin Cook is a difference maker at an enormous position of need.
If you thought the Bucs drafting Warrick Dunn in the 1st round was a good selection then Dalvin would be a great one because he is better than Warrick.
I said this before but take a look at our running backs which were probably the worst group of any team in the NFL last year. I think you could make a strong argument the Bucs should address the position very early in the draft and possibly again late in the draft.
Here are the Bucs running Backs:
1st Team Doug Martin is injury prone and an admitted drug addict that averaged less than 3 yards per run.
2nd Team Charles Simms is injury prone and is terrible at running inside that averaged less than 3 yards per run.
3rd Team Jaquizz Rodgers did not make a roster last year but was signed during the season. He played better than all of our other backs last year but probably should be a teams 3rd back assuming he can help on special teams.
4th Team back Peyton Barber was an undrafted rookie that did not make the roster at the beginning of the season but shows some promise.
He most likely should be placed on the practice squad and be moved up if we have an injury at the position.
March 16th, 2017 at 9:47 am
Yasss joe!
March 16th, 2017 at 9:48 am
DoNuts, agree with you man. Firm up that line and any RB (and QB) can be better behind them.
March 16th, 2017 at 9:51 am
No need to trade up in a deep RB draft. Joe have the Bucs made any inquiries about Wyoming RB Brian Hill???? pure runner from pro set & seems much faster & quicker than Kareem Hunt. He should be available in round 3 or 4.
March 16th, 2017 at 9:53 am
Who you trying to get crazy with, ése?
Don’t you know I’m loco?
March 16th, 2017 at 9:54 am
Get Cook and firm up the o-line?
March 16th, 2017 at 9:55 am
I’ve seen enough from the only three teams that concerned me going into the draft eagles colts ravens. I’ll say it again we won’t be trading up he’ll be there at 19.
March 16th, 2017 at 9:58 am
What issues? Probably that one time he was accused to punching a woman in the face, telling her “I could buy you in two years” and “Google me!”
Probably that.
March 16th, 2017 at 10:01 am
You guys act like all seven picks used will used on starters with the potential to be all-pros. As good as Licht has been with picks in the early rounds, his late round picks have been pretty bad and most don’t even make it past training camp. Personally I think if the Bucs think Cook or McCaffery is a star in the making, do whatever needs to be done to get him. That offense is going to be lethal with JW, ME, and DJ, however a premier back is needed to balance it out. The Falcons gave up a lot to get Julio and I would bet you money that some of the players taken by the team that traded with them didn’t become all pros and help their team win a division title. How has that safety we picked up in the middle rounds last year panned out. How about Kenny Bell. These picks can be used as bargaining chips to get the guy that may help us do the same here in Tampa as Julio did in ATL.
March 16th, 2017 at 10:02 am
@BucsRays
“To all the people who did not think cook would fall a few months ago what has changed?”
What changed for me was a few things. First off a couple teams who were in the market for a RB addressed it in FA. Cleveland could have took a RB at #12 but chose to keep Crowell and Baltimore signed Woodhead who is a well acomplished receiver out of the backfield which is one of the things that Dalvin does well. So imo if Baltimore is interested in a RB round 1 it will be Fournette since they signed Woodhead who can be the receiver.
Then as far as the combine is concerned, Cook’s bad performance doesn’t hurt him as much as McCaffrey’s outstanding performance helped him. As I mentioned in my post, McCaffrey closed the gap between him and Cook and due to McCaffrey’s lack of off the field questions teams could choose him over Cook.
March 16th, 2017 at 10:03 am
Nosbos Murray signed with the Vikings. Eagles still need a RB
March 16th, 2017 at 10:04 am
When you add up these so called issues injuries,legalities,tanking his combine and lastly telling the entire league “I wanna be a Buc”. If its too hard to understand after all that then I digress. Couple that with the class being healthy with talent at this position seem to me to be a Dunn deal. Here’s what makes it interesting tho. He and Fameis have made it clear they wanna re connect. It was just brought to our attention Fameis wanted Jackpot since entering the league. Licht has signed him. Fameis has made it clear who he wants his RB to be. Trust me Licht will draft him. What Fameis wants Fameis will get yo.
March 16th, 2017 at 10:05 am
@RawBucFan
According to walterfootball they met with Brian Hill at the Wyoming Pro Day.
March 16th, 2017 at 10:06 am
What concerns? A bunch of character concerns. Showing up completely unprepared for the combine doesn’t alleviate any of that. I love what I’ve seen from Cook on the field but after getting screwed because our last big time running back couldn’t keep his head straight, I’m hesitant to want to spend a 1st round pick on a guy who could easily end up in a similar boat, let alone trade up for him. I’m to the point where I would almost prefer Christian McCaffrey at that spot if we want to go running back. There will also be several intriguing options at that position in Rounds 2, 3, and 4.
March 16th, 2017 at 10:06 am
You’re lucky if a player drafted after the third round even makes the team.
March 16th, 2017 at 10:09 am
Pop according to they’re fans they also need a DE and a shut down corner. If you think our fans are against RB 1 go an watch they’re board.
March 16th, 2017 at 10:09 am
Trading up to draft a kicker in the 2nd round does not mean you have stones Joe, it means you lacked intelligence and hopefully Jason learned from it. I guess Lovie had the stones to sign McClown a career back up who had a nice 8 game span as a starter
March 16th, 2017 at 10:13 am
See what some people don’t get is that they see Cook played at FSU and just assume he had a great offensive line and weapons all over the field. That is so not true it isn’t funny. he had a Redshirt freshman QB, maybe one draftable receiver (late rounds if at all) no TE help and the oline was horrible, I mean HORRIBLE. On top of that until the end of the year the defense was not good either. Basically FSU rode Cook the entire season and they went to a bowl game beat Miami, Ole Miss, Florida and Michigan. Without him they would have been lucky to win 5 games last year.
March 16th, 2017 at 10:16 am
Christian is a better back.
He also has better medical.
I think he is cleaner off the field as well.
Cook is electric no doubt.
March 16th, 2017 at 10:16 am
Was in Philly past few days and the sports station and hosts are all in w D Cook at 14, they may burn the draft HQ down if no Cook, their second choice is defense at 14 then joe mixon which was big debate yesterday, fans arent mgmt but philly fans like us like to think we know more
March 16th, 2017 at 10:23 am
He’s weak, pathetic on the bench press at the combine. Go to your local fire station and you’ll find more powerful men than this little squirt. And he has shoulder injuries. Why would we draft him when there are potentially better players to be found in rounds 3-4 and 5? This pick makes no sense to me at all. Would the patriots draft a RB in the 1st round? The answer is no.
March 16th, 2017 at 10:23 am
When RB is probably the deepest position available in this Draft, why would you waste a pick to move up a couple of spots? If Fournette and Cook are gone at 19, there are still guys like McCaffrey, Foreman, Mixon, Samuel, Kamara, Connor, Mack, etc… Personally, I wouldn’t even think about a RB until round 2! One or more of the guys I mentioned above will still be there for us….Grab another pass catcher (TE or WR) in the first, because there are fewer good ones in this draft, and then take the highest remaining RB in the second!
March 16th, 2017 at 10:25 am
I would not trade up for Cook, although I would like to see him become a Buc. There’s a lot of offensive talent in the first round that is within reach, especially the two TE’s, perhaps a WR, and a few pretty good OL, so we have to stand pat and take the best one available. If we do want to trade up in the 2nd, 3rd or 4th for someone that we like, we would still have the ammo to do so then. That is the more likely scenario in my opinion.
March 16th, 2017 at 10:29 am
The man will be a star, forget the three cone drill.
Instant offense.
March 16th, 2017 at 10:30 am
Is it football season yet?!
March 16th, 2017 at 10:31 am
Lol at Negative Jeff. You really think there are better players than him that are going to fall in the third and fourth rounds? So all of these NFL guys watch his film and grade him as first round talent. They are going to pass up better players that could be had three rounds later? Do even think about things before you type them out. Those type of blanket statements are both absurd and nonsensical. You can do better man.
March 16th, 2017 at 10:32 am
SCBucsFan Says
“Maze I think Mixon makes it to 3. Grab him then and hold a press conference apologizing to fans.”
The last player to come our with a history like his actually went undrafted, even though fans thought he wouldn’t make it past round 3 or 4. I forget his name, but it was recent history.
I’m for taking Mixon in round 4 or later. It’s a gamble, but would be worth it then. Years have passed since his incident and so far as I know, he has not gotten into more trouble (I could be wrong though).
March 16th, 2017 at 10:32 am
And how exactly is 22 reps on bench weak again??? Are you confusing him with McCaffery dude???
March 16th, 2017 at 10:34 am
“Negative Jeff Says:
March 16th, 2017 at 10:23 am
He’s weak, pathetic on the bench press at the combine.”
Are you talking about Cook? He was 4th best out of 30 backs who benched.
March 16th, 2017 at 10:35 am
Dusty if you are a GM what do you value more come draft night??? DE,CB or RB??? See we set ourselves up last draft by drafting our DE and CB of the future. Eagles not so much bro.
March 16th, 2017 at 10:35 am
The Bucs may not have to trade up. We all know mocks are unreliable, but we still view them to try and get a consensus. While we haven’t seen them coalesce around a player or two as happened last year with Hargreaves and Spence, we are starting to see more of the top draft analysts mock Dalvin Cook to the Bucs.
From NFL.com – Chad Reuter and Bucky Brooks, Drafttek.com, Dane Brugler – CBSSports.com, Chris Burke – SI.com, Matt Miller – NflDraftScout.com have all lately mocked Cook to the Bucs.
Argumentum Ad Populum does not make it true, it simply says more and more analysts with pedigree thinks it could happen!
March 16th, 2017 at 10:37 am
The Bucs should not take any of these RBs in the first round. A TE or a WR should be a priority. That’s it. More weapons for Winston.
(The only execution would be another good edge rusher.)
A good RB can be had in the 4th or 5th round.
March 16th, 2017 at 10:38 am
I personally am against trading up, unless it is for some blockbuster DE that falls to 17 and Licht is convinced the team before us will take him. But even in that case, I prefer not to trade up. I would rather risk it and take the BPA at a position of need.
I’m not certain a Quarterback will even be taken in round one this year…and of that’s true we’ll see a run on the other positions.
I’m 50-50 on Cook.
I’ve been working a little on my wishlist for the draft, but it isn’t ready yet. I usually wait until the day before the draft to post it.
March 16th, 2017 at 10:38 am
@joeypoppems – thanks for the insight. Makes sense. Most people have him “falling” due to off the field concerns, fumbling, and injuries. Really I personally do not agree with that take AT ALL, outside of a slight concern with fumbling.
Agree with all people who want Cook as a Buc but do not want to move up. All of the off the field concerns are up for debate in terms of relevance and the injury concerns, well the dude only missed combined two games tops when you add up the missed plays. Reality is the RB draft class is super deep so no moving up. If he is there and we do not pick him, i will be disappointed but could understand that they feel there are more pressing needs. One thing I will not get behind would be not drafting at least ONE WR in the top half of the draft. We need more depth
March 16th, 2017 at 10:40 am
Radio hosting and Managing a pro football team. Well I ain’t gotta really tell you two different things.
March 16th, 2017 at 10:42 am
I hate the idea of trading up in the first around because:
1) It’s a deep draft so those later picks are valuable
2) Question taking a running back in the first round
3) I would to prefer to trade down and pickup an additional player
(there is a lot of talent in rounds 2 to 4)
March 16th, 2017 at 10:46 am
That’s Gospel mac. Just means people believe it could happen.
March 16th, 2017 at 10:51 am
Brent Grimes will be 34 this season. Rob Ayers will be 32.
We are absolutely not set at DE and Corner. Or Safety, or Right Tackle.
March 16th, 2017 at 10:56 am
Or running back.
March 16th, 2017 at 10:57 am
Don’t we all! 🙂
March 16th, 2017 at 11:02 am
@joeypoppems-thanks for info. Let’s see what happens on draft day! Realistically, I think they take McCaffrey if Davis, Cook & Howard are gone. He can bring real value as PR/KR while he is eased into the offense. If he’s gone HILL IS THE MAN TO GET!!!
March 16th, 2017 at 11:03 am
And Ryan Smith will be groomed to play CB this season and there are always DEs that surface from “the later rounds”.
March 16th, 2017 at 11:06 am
Dusty I’m waiting on a answer bro. Keep in mind Brandin has signed with the gmen and we saw the success of the cowboys offense last season. Who you takin if you are a GM in the first with class that is said to be deep at RB??? DE CB or RB.
March 16th, 2017 at 11:09 am
I ain’t the slightest bit concerned with the eggles taking DC with they’re pick. He’ll be sitting right there when our number is called.
March 16th, 2017 at 11:12 am
Far more statiscally likely to find a starting caliber Rb than a DE.
And until proven otherwise, Ryan Smith is a special teamer.
March 16th, 2017 at 11:12 am
Blake Dot was given a deal last season. Some may not like it but he will be our day one starter. Bank on it. Safety well if it was a draft desire early in the draft I don’t think you bring in Wilcox. Smith Spawn Gholston and Ayers tells me taking another DE early is something that could wait until 2018. No DE in this class is coming in and starting day one over any of our current players.
March 16th, 2017 at 11:14 am
Oohh so now you see value in taking a RB early huh. I’ve grown use to you changing your mindset often. And Ryan will remain on ST and will be groomed at CB. You know the position he played in school.
March 16th, 2017 at 11:16 am
It would take trading our 2nd round pick to get up to #12. 3rd Round pick gets us up to 15 and 4th round pick gets us 2 spots up to #17. I would perhaps be OK with trading the 4th to move up 2 spots for Cook but no more than that!!
Better yet – just wait and see who is available at #19. If we really intend on taking a top end RB in Rd 1 – Christian McCaffrey is somewhat likely to be available at 19 and he meets our needs at RB perfectly (as well as solving our returner problem in a big way).
I personally would prefer taking OJ Howard at 19 if he is still on the board (which he probably won’t be) and get better value at RB by drafting Kareem Hunt in the 3rd round. WR-Zay Jones or S-Budda Baker in the 2nd rd.
March 16th, 2017 at 11:17 am
No way in hell is Licht giving away picks to go after Cook. He’ll be sitting there at 19 and he’ll STILL be sitting there at 20. If Cook had played ball at GA or Bama we wouldn’t even be having this conversation. Y’all trippin.
March 16th, 2017 at 11:18 am
So many Nole haters here, it’s like I’m reading the TB Times
March 16th, 2017 at 11:18 am
I don’t see the point in trading up to #17. Only team you would be jumping is the Titans who are already set at RB
March 16th, 2017 at 11:22 am
Final piece:lol
Slow down Joe- let’s try for a winning one record again. How about another good receiver, an o-line that is not so poor and, a defense that isn’t full of hole.
John Lynch with a nice FA move to get Probowl Zuttah, we got Howley. Best return guy in football, not interested, Stud Calais Campbell, not interested. Special teams captain Shep, in on every tackle, gone. Hey we got Conte!
What a joke- Light’s a clown
March 16th, 2017 at 11:22 am
No i just left out the part later rounds part. Its more statistically likely to find a starting Rb late than a starting De.
March 16th, 2017 at 11:25 am
Bro Wilcox is a back up. And I wouldnt be so quick to bank on Dot being the day 1 starter. Why else would we have been targeting Jack Conklin last year? Also Dot got very little guaranteed money.
March 16th, 2017 at 11:27 am
Not really a fan of Cook TBH. Would rather have McCaffrey or draft Foreman in the later rounds.
March 16th, 2017 at 11:44 am
So you like mccaffery better huh. Have read DJ’s latest right u p on Dalvin??? If you are inclined to do so you’ll come to a section where he says Dalvin lead the nation in forced missed tackles with 90 last season.That’s more than zig zag king mccaffery and that dude mixon. And you call him a str8 line runner Blake. Explain to us all why?,?
March 16th, 2017 at 11:46 am
Blake Wilcox has been a starter in the NFL. Wasn’t his fault they used a high pick on Byron Jones and wanted to get him on field.
March 16th, 2017 at 11:46 am
Cook is that explosive, every-down running back that would be the final piece to his offensive puzzle? The Bucs know Cook is that dude we need.
March 16th, 2017 at 11:47 am
Nah they aren’t trading up and giving up a ton of picks to take a RB.
Hey may fall to us, before I didn’t think there was a chance in hell he would. But there aren’t moving up for him.
But I’m not so sure they don’t like other projects better at the RB position that will be available at a later pick either. We shall see.
March 16th, 2017 at 11:48 am
prospects*
March 16th, 2017 at 11:48 am
What was mccaffery yards after contact again??? Weak. Let me remind you of Dalvin’s 758 yards after contact last season. He is the best RB in the class. Hands down dude. And Fameis wants him. Welcome to Tampa Dalvin Cook.
March 16th, 2017 at 11:49 am
Armondo my hope is after we draft Dalvin they’ll find another team.
March 16th, 2017 at 11:51 am
I’m waiting Blake. Why do you call him a str8 line runner when he lead the nation in forced missed tackles last season???
March 16th, 2017 at 11:51 am
I like
1. Cook RB.
2. Samuel WR.
3. Marcus Williams FS
4. Duke Riley LB
5. KD Cannon WR
6. Jordan Morgan OG
7. JJ Dielman OT
March 16th, 2017 at 11:53 am
I want the bucs to draft Best player available in the first round.
March 16th, 2017 at 11:55 am
Nole on Sat I like you because you know your football. They said the he is the missing piece to the puzzle.
March 16th, 2017 at 12:03 pm
Nosbos why do you keep asking the same question when you’ve been answered multiple times?
March 16th, 2017 at 12:12 pm
Cook won’t make it past the Colts @15 and Corey Davis wont make it past the Skins or Titans @17 and 18.
March 16th, 2017 at 12:13 pm
Joe has no idea of what “issues” have to do with Dalvin, but helpfully suggests fumbles. Clearly nearly every one of the 90+ commentators were similarly in the dark here. Just being helpful, you can go to Google News and search “Dalvin Cook Issues”. Uh, nothing about fumbles…
March 16th, 2017 at 12:27 pm
I listened to Kiper and McShay’s podcast today and they went into a little more detail about what the Bucs could do at #19. They named TE (McShay mocked Njoku to the Bucs earlier this week), RB, DL, Safety, CB, WR, OL, and Edge Rushers as potential positions the Bucs could target with that pick. A lot of options this year whereas the past few years we had glaring needs.
March 16th, 2017 at 12:28 pm
Jim, Dalvin has one of the worst fumble rates in the entire draft. One fumble every 63.8 touches.
March 16th, 2017 at 12:33 pm
Alvin Kamara. Dont count him out just yet.
March 16th, 2017 at 12:49 pm
haven’t we already tried a running back with injury problems and off the field issues already? I tired of wondering when the RB is going to get hurt. We have a history of having good running backs that get hurt. Cadillac was the same thing. Dynamic player but never on the field. I don’t want to take another 1st round RB with the talent to be great, but is not reliable to be on the field. 2 surgeries on his shoulder before he even takes hits from NFL D lineman, linebacker, and safeties. Maybe he holds up, but can we please refrain from taking a 3rd talented running-back who can’t take the beating that the NFL dishes out. A first rounder should be someone who can start on the team and last for years imo.
March 16th, 2017 at 12:50 pm
No you haven’t answered the question actually Blake. You call him a str8 line runner. He lead the nation in forced missed tackles. Explain your assertion sir.
March 16th, 2017 at 12:52 pm
bob 758 yard after contact last season. It appear to me the shoulders hed up just fine dude. Try again homie.
March 16th, 2017 at 12:53 pm
So not only does he absorb and shake off contact but when he get to the next level he makes defenders miss better than any RB in the class. Bad dude I feel ya.
March 16th, 2017 at 1:02 pm
You keep asking for McCaffreys Yac numbers and I’ve given them too you.
And Dalvine prolly got about 30 of them forced missed between Usf and Wake Forest alone lol.
March 16th, 2017 at 1:02 pm
I got my popcorn ready! 🍿
March 16th, 2017 at 1:03 pm
If we’re trading up for a RB I’d prefer that scrub from LSU to the chef from FSU. But if we’re staying put and we have a shot at the best left tackle in the draft, I’ll cry for losing Fournette as we steal Raz from Denver. We instantly upgrade two positions that way, not just one, our current LT should be on the right side anyway.
But if the latest crazy mock that has the Bucs grabbing the LSU guy comes true because Washington grabbed Cook first, I guess… I’ll somehow cope.
March 16th, 2017 at 1:05 pm
Blake, NOS-BOS, the question I want answered is how will you guys feel if we draft the other guys player. Blake with Cook and Nole with OJ?
March 16th, 2017 at 1:06 pm
Just don’t be like Bucnut2 and point out thier flaws constantly.
March 16th, 2017 at 1:08 pm
Also Cmac forced over 100 missed tackles in 2015. With 955 yards after contact.
March 16th, 2017 at 1:17 pm
if joe mixon wasn’t caught on video, he would be rated higher than cook and fournette…..mixon is bigger stronger faster…..
if you bash mixon for his pass actions, you have to do the same with cook…he’s had a few run ins with the law including one when he put his hands on a woman….
if we have the so called integrity to pass on mixon because of his issues we should the same with cook…
with that said I say trade down in the first round collect an extra pick or 2, take a page out of the falcons play book and draft 2rbs….theirs plenty to choose from that have and will be productive in the league….
foreman
kamara
pumphery
conner
yearby
perine
webb
Williams
gallman
GO BUCS!!!!!
March 16th, 2017 at 1:38 pm
Cook was not charged for hitting that girl so what are you talking about
March 16th, 2017 at 1:42 pm
If we draft Cook, I will support him 100 percent and root for his success.
I’m on record saying that the only 2 picks we could make in the 1st that would deeply and truly piss me off would be John Ross and Cam Robinson.
March 16th, 2017 at 1:58 pm
You are right that would piss me off too. I really like Cook have what we need and JW really want him, because he knows what he will bring to the table.
March 16th, 2017 at 2:04 pm
Trading up in the first round costs you. Duh. If we trade up, then we have one less pick to draft for another need, and then Joe will post b1tches about how we didn’t fill that other need. The Bucs are still not a talented enough team to trade away a 2nd round pick or even a third for a RB.
Also, I don’t trust the Dalvin Cook homer fanboys. They act like this is the only player that matters in this draft. I’d rather have a safety, a TE, a DE, or a WR before any RB in this draft.
March 16th, 2017 at 2:19 pm
I’d rather have Marlon Mack in the 3rd round.
March 16th, 2017 at 2:24 pm
honestly… I just wish FSU fans would think about the best player for the bucs instead of always wanting us to just draft an FSU guy. I’ve never thought like that. Mccaffrey is a better draft if you really want a RB in the 1st. His father was an all pro receiver. His brother plays for the packers and he far and away was the best RB at the combine and if he doesn’t work out great at RB. He could be a great slot receiver. Thats if you really want a RB in the 1st. I say we sign AP, Blount or Charles and then draft a RB in the 2nd or 3rd. Go get peppers, or OJ howard or some guy in the trenches. RB should isn’t a necessity. Please stop all the nonsense about cook.
March 16th, 2017 at 2:26 pm
Also I love Jameis but we need to take the best player for our team…. not always who Jameis wants or what FSU fans want.
March 16th, 2017 at 2:49 pm
@jonzey….hitting a woman is one thing….being charged for hitting a woman is another….just because it wasn’t caught on video doesn’t mean it didn’t happen….their were multiple witness and a police report for the incident…he was suspended…therefore, something happened…..GO BUCS!!!!
March 16th, 2017 at 3:02 pm
Buc it. Buck them two dumb @$$ post you just sent.
March 16th, 2017 at 3:07 pm
First off, my son took his first steps today so today is a great day.
Second, all the debate can be solved if the Bucs just follow my dream plan. The Browns love draft picks so we need to pull off the blockbuster of the century. I am assuming the Browns are using the new “moneyball” trade chart for draft day so the trade is based on that.
We want pick 12 and in order to be the trade of the century we also want to acquire their second round picks at 33 and 52 and their third round pick at 65. I also want to acquire these picks without giving up my early round picks this year so we can fully address needs this year. The picks we want from the Browns are valued at 48.5 points based on the new draft trade chart that I suspect the Browns might be using.
Based on the assumption that we win the Super Bowl the next two years to get these picks we would need to trade our 2018 first, third, and fourth, our 2019 first, and our picks in the second, fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh this year. If the Browns want some additional value I would be completely willing to trade them Doug Martin and George Johnson in addition to the picks. Our picks are valued at 50.3 points and if they take Martin and Johnson we shave an additional 9 million off of our cap leaving us more room for next year/signing the additional higher round picks.
With these picks I would then go draft a RB, WR, TE, S, DT/DE, and OL. All needs for the team and all picks in the first three rounds which Licht seems to be very good at picking.
March 16th, 2017 at 3:09 pm
If you weren’t there which you weren’t 813 then you can not substantiate anything. And Suc_it this has nothing to do with being a fan fav of FSU dude. Last I check our RB corp is average at best. Myself and others happen to as see Dalvin as an immediate impactful upgrade doofus. Check his resume, you’ll struggle find someone better. I could understand you silly mofos being against him if Dougie had come back replicated his 2015 season then I would be looking stupid talking bout Dalvin everyday. But DM didn’t did he, and again sims went to IR didn’t he. Its like some of got rocks for brains and s@$!.
March 16th, 2017 at 3:20 pm
Congrats on your Baby boy USF. But that draft scenario is never going down dude.
March 16th, 2017 at 3:21 pm
fixed his fumbling problem????…..he fumbled 6 times this year losing 4…in 13games played this year…..hardly fixed….major problem!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!
March 16th, 2017 at 3:25 pm
I wasn’t there but the police were….and they filed a report….and he was suspended…are you saying he was suspended for no good reason and being completely innocent?….GO BUCS!!!!
March 16th, 2017 at 3:29 pm
Guys the people who really want Cook aren’t just homers. Listen to your NFL analysts pretty much all of them are saying that Cook is the best all around RB in the draft. Honestly I have yet to hear anyone saying otherwise. And before you come with the Fournette and McCaffrey arguments they are different types of players and ones that most professionals aren’t linking to the Bucs.
March 16th, 2017 at 3:30 pm
Thanks Blake and I know man but it’s a dream of mine.
March 16th, 2017 at 3:38 pm
I’m not big on Ross because of the injuries and Peppers because he seems like a tweeter and hasn’t played much Saftey, even though that doesn’t mean he can’t. Other than that I don’t really care who we draft, as long as we don’t trade up for anyone.
March 16th, 2017 at 3:52 pm
Nole- I want cook too but my god. Don’t you get tired man? All day every day you nonstop post the same thing over and over that you have said a hundred times already. And after all the arguing you say “welcome to Tampa dalvin” never in my life have j seen a human so ridiculously in love with one prospect. I am a noles and bucs fan but my god. If and when Tampa doesn’t take cook you need to just go into hiding. If cook is a buc and he won’t be because he’ll a. Be gone and B. Licht isn’t drafting a running back round 1 and likes other backs more imo then I’ll salute you but can we stop flooding the message boards with repetitive posts. My god dude take a nap. You must be exhausted
March 16th, 2017 at 3:57 pm
The best argument that could be made against drafting a RB in the first is that there are several other talented RBs that will go in the second or third rounds but questioning the talent of Cook is a little insane.
Being completely honest the best situation for the Bucs would probably be for them to trade back and pick up an additional second or third round pick. Hell with the depth in this draft I wouldn’t even be opposed to the Bucs trading back to the top of the second round with the Browns to acquire multiple extra picks. We might even be able to coax their fourth rounder out of them on top of the first pick in the second and third rounds. With those picks we could easily land quality players at S, WR, RB, TE, and DE.
March 16th, 2017 at 3:58 pm
“813bucboi Says:
March 16th, 2017 at 3:25 pm
I wasn’t there but the police were….and they filed a report….and he was suspended…are you saying he was suspended for no good reason and being completely innocent?”
Considering the political climate i.e. Ray Rice, how do you think it would have looked if they did nothing after the arrest?
He was suspended, found not guilty (jury took less than 25 minutes to deliberate), then reinstated. All during the summer. No games missed.
I don’t know if he did anything or not. And unless you were there, you don’t either. But, your attitude re: this is exactly like people who TO THIS DAY, call Jameis a ra__ pist, without once even trying to read the DA and police report, and only read media headlines.
So, is Jameis a rap __ist, I ask you? I mean, he settled the lawsuit, right?
March 16th, 2017 at 3:59 pm
Cook is falling and might not be better than some mid-round RB prospects.It’s looking more everyday that the top three WR will be gone by 19 and McCaffrey and the three top TE is moving up everyday.There might be a solid OT(5-10 year starter) to be had at 19.
Starting RB can be picked in 3-5 Rd.
March 16th, 2017 at 4:12 pm
If Licht truly wants Cook #13 from Arizona would be the perfect trade partner. He has all the personal relationships there and at least 4 teams after that pick need RBs. I don’t think he will make it to 19.
Personally there is no way in hell I’m giving up picks in this draft to move up. Stay at 19 and we still get a stud and get to keep our other picks as well.
My preferred move would be to trade down to 25-27 range for an extra 3rd and draft TJ Watt. Spawn and Watt would give us a dynamic pass rush for many years to come. With GMC and Baker inside our line would be crazy. Not to mention Mcdonald, Ayers, Smith, and Gholston. Please and thank you. Two 3rd round picks would give us 2 more starters or trade ammunition to move up into the 2nd again.
March 16th, 2017 at 4:16 pm
We would be stupid to take Ross. Thank God for his 4.22 so some other team can take that gamble. McCaffrey or Watt at 19 or an outside chance pick would be someone like Forrest Lamp. His versatility inside is exactly what we need. Anyone of those 3 guys would improve our team in a major way.
March 16th, 2017 at 4:49 pm
I’m not Sure Cook is 100 percent recovered from his injury the year before last ? I think he was much more hesitant in 16 than he was in 2015 ? The guys a freak but to me he was less so in 2016 especially the first game of the year? Lingering Injury Not 100 percent ????
I am also not a fan of his runs for a loss , he s decisive one play and then indesiive the next and I believe more so in 16 than 2015 ?
March 16th, 2017 at 4:57 pm
@luv…is he jameis a “r”ist?…..maybe….he sure isn’t going thru this because he’s completely innocent….something happened…what, we will never know….same thing with cook….and it wasn’t his first run in with the law as ive stated….
the ONLY reason why ray rice is out of the league is because it was caught on video…..the ONLY reason why mixon is going thru what he’s going thru is because of the video…..had it not been caught on video, mixon and ray rice would be just like cook and jameis….it would be he say vs. she say….
Im not attacking his character but all the fsu homers act like cook doesn’t have a dusty past just like mixon….
cook is talented but he has some red flags…..injuries and fumbles….GO BUCS!!!!
March 16th, 2017 at 5:11 pm
“813bucboi Says:
March 16th, 2017 at 4:57 pm
@luv…is he jameis a “r”ist?…..maybe….he sure isn’t going thru this because he’s completely innocent….something happened”
Going through what? What did Duke Lacrosse do? What did the UVA frats kids do?
Something happened? Even he r’__p’d her or he didn’t. There’s no middle ground.
Did you read the entire investigative report? Its several hundred pages long.
Are you implying that every single person accused of a crime is always guilty in some manner?
March 16th, 2017 at 5:26 pm
No, he’s overrated. And if he is stupid enough to celebrate a TD before scoring the TD and fumbles the ball, then I want him even less for the bucs. He is not a generational RB, he might end up being a top 20 RB. But so might any RB drafted in the first 3 rounds. He isn’t elite talent. and he probably won’t transition well into a pro.
March 16th, 2017 at 5:32 pm
how long did it take to settle this bs?…..that’s what he was going thru…..wasn’t his name dragged thru the mug?…that’s what he’s going thru….news flash…this is America…your guilty until proven innocent…..
im implying that something happened….so I ask you….was he suspended for no good reason or did something happen, that caused him to get punished?…..GO BUCS!!!!
March 16th, 2017 at 5:54 pm
lol Well said Broy
March 16th, 2017 at 6:14 pm
813, yes, he was suspended for no good reason, and after he was found not guilty, he was reinstated. He missed no games. This happened in the offseason.
March 16th, 2017 at 8:00 pm
Trubucfan22 Says:
“He isn’t elite talent. and he probably won’t transition well into a pro.”
That’s a bunch of BS. Surely you don’t actually believe that… If you do, then you have no idea what a good RB prospect looks like.
Dalvin Cook is one of the best RB prospects to come out of College in the last 10 years. Top 5 for sure. He can do it all. Run, evade, catch, block, SCORE!
Yes SCORE! as in TOUCHDOWNS. 38 rushing TDs in the last 2 years. Let me say that again – THIRTY EIGHT rushing TDs in 2 years. Dude is a TD scoring machine.
Dalvin Cook has speed, superior vision, ankle breaking cutting ability and plenty of power for his size. Cook gets the edge better than any back to come out in quite some time. And when he does get to the edge and turn upfield – as often as not – he’s GONE – TD. From any spot on the field
See for yourself how good he is at what I just described:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz_TN_sC0Ww
March 16th, 2017 at 8:02 pm
D Jax did the same thing so what you think about him
March 16th, 2017 at 8:02 pm
D Jax did the same thing so what you think about him.
March 16th, 2017 at 9:01 pm
I think koetter has mentioned many times that there are pretty great backs available in mid rounds. Pretty any team would take a jordan howard or a devante freeman. Leveon bell was a 2nd rounder. I dont think this is a must acquisition. Those TEs look pretty good. Imagine trying to defend brate, evans, jackson, howard/njoku, and a running back. Redzone nightmares.
March 16th, 2017 at 9:30 pm
@Ben,
You’re right. The idea of the team picking a RB May happen but
it’s not supported by anything other than lazy boy pseudo GM’ s and draft gurus who throw out a new mock draft almost daily.
Picking a RB in rd 1 doesn’t synchronize with what both head coach and general manager have discussed. I here “it’s just a smoke screen” coming. Possible for sure but it’s not something that can be supported by the evidence of this regime.
The best possible evidence of how the Bucs have evaluated the team’s needs and priorities is perfectly clear if you’re willing to see it. All you have to do is see who is scheduled for a visit.
The war of faith between the Dalvinist’ s and McCaffrites should
Come to an abrupt halt when both sides realize neither is favored by the Bucs.
I have a tremendous amount of faith when it comes to Buc fans seeing things that are tinted by their own beliefs. So carry
on you crazy sons of b@$&-:.
March 16th, 2017 at 9:40 pm
I can’t speak for Dalvin’s character. I don’t know if he really hit a woman or didn’t hit a woman. So, if people want to question his character, I won’t debate. I will tell you that Dalvin is head and shoulders the best RB in this draft on the field and it’s not even close. I’m a USF fan and not reversed so I could give 2 poops about the fact that he’s a Nole. I want Dalvin because my QB wants Dalvin. I want Dalvin because he can make big plays when nothing looks available. I want Dalvin because he’s the best RB in this draft. If he either falls into our lap or we need to move up to 13 etc., then I hope and believe Licht gets her done.
March 16th, 2017 at 9:42 pm
We can get a tight end in the 2 or 3rd it’s deep
March 16th, 2017 at 9:48 pm
No. No. No.
No cook. No RB. No trading up. (In the 1st)
March 16th, 2017 at 9:48 pm
Cmurda you know your football
March 16th, 2017 at 10:13 pm
We can get a rb in the 3rd or 4th it’s deeper than TE or Safety/ Corner.
And the rb position is certainly deeper than the options at Right Tackle.
Jameis is only going to get better with a clean pocket and time to throw while protected.
In addition to providing ME13 & Flash Jackson & Cam Brate time to get open down the field. Whilst also providing some pop and power into the running game.
March 16th, 2017 at 10:48 pm
We just don’t need him that bad to take him at 19 even if he is there. Sign a free agent..and give jacquizz a shot to start. People forget he was a beast and then just draft a RB in the 2nd or 3rd. 1st round safety or trenches or maybe a TE who can block
March 17th, 2017 at 2:48 am
Cmurda,
Dalvin won’t be the 1st back taken in the draft. So how can he be head and shoulders above the rest?
The Bucs have scheduled for a visit the 3 T.E. that have been projected to be 1st round picks. If nothing else it nixes the Cook or McCaffrey idea. If the Bucs had been thinking RB with the 19th pick it’s safe to say that they’d extend an invite to both of them. Add that to the comments from licht along with the coach’s detailed explanation of how the team is still in need of a T.E. and it’s not hard to understand that the RB position is not a rd 1 target. Of the RB’ s available, Mack is probably the 3rd pick. D.E. the 4th possibly 5th.
March 17th, 2017 at 6:43 am
What are you talking about Duke, these are some 1st rounders AP #7, Steven Jackson #24, Marshawn Lynch #12, Ezekiel Elliott #4, Chris Johnson #24, Eddie Lee Ivery #15, BO Jackson #1, Barry Sanders #3, Emmitt Smith #17, Jamal Lewis #11, Garrison Hearst #3, Warrick Dunn #12, Eddie George #14, Marshall Faulk #2, and Shaun Alexander#19. All these runnerbacks was great, you have to take a gamble.
March 17th, 2017 at 7:02 am
If looks at Daniel Jeremiah latest mock draft he has Dalvin Cook, John Ross, & Mike Williams all sitting there when the Bucs pick with the Bucs taking a cornerback. There is no way the Bucs would not select one of those three player if they are sitting there at 19.
March 17th, 2017 at 8:48 am
I agree