WR Play Gave Hope
January 29th, 2017
Draft deepens
Yes, Joe understands watching guys shine in a college all-star game is dubious.
In recent years, it seems half the dudes named MVP of the Senior Bowl turned out to be professional frauds. E.J. Manuel, Christian Ponder, Brandon Graham, Pat White and Tony Hunt spring to mind.
Yesterday, wide receiver Zay Jones from East Carolina jumped off the screen in the Senior Bowl the way he was able to get separation in tight coverage and go up and get the ball, six catches in all.
Also, this Cooper Kupp from Eastern Washington made folks take notice as well.
One person the duo of wide receivers impressed was noted former scout and draft analyst for NFL Network, Daniel Jeremiah. He took to Twitter with a quick impression of the two.
@MoveTheSticks: Zay Jones & Cooper Kupp are both ready to make an impact day one…both guys are extremely polished route runners and catch everything.
This is calming Joe down a bit. The Bucs need a receiver in the worst way and what better way to get a top shelf receiver for the next seven years than in the draft.
If, as Jeremiah seems to suggest, there is deep receiver talent in the first couple of rounds, Joe can rest easy at night.
Now the question is, can those two guys make it to the second round so the Bucs can grab another position at No. 19 (running back, defensive end)?
January 29th, 2017 at 6:09 am
If we can somehow get Kupp and a #2WR in FA, our receiving corps should be set for a long time.
January 29th, 2017 at 6:41 am
There will be many more receivers along with Kupp and Zay Jones worthy of a Day 2 pick that can come in and make an impact early on. Josh Reynolds was impressive yesterday, Malachi Dupre, Taywan Taylor could fall to the 3rd round, Jujus Smith-Schuster, Dede Westbrook, Shelton Gibson, Curtis Samuel, etc.
Don’t think if we don’t get one of the top three WR that we are out of luck. The same could be said for the RB class. Defense round 1 makes the most sense to me.
January 29th, 2017 at 6:44 am
Agree Eric. Bucs need a WR both in draft and free agency.
January 29th, 2017 at 6:50 am
Your last question hit the nail right on the head Joe. It’s hard to really prioritize the Bucs’ needs at this point … we’ve got quite a few starting holes plus we lack depth at many positions. I think it’ll all come down to who’s available when we pick at #19, plus what we’ve done by that point in FA. If a top WR is available when we pick (like Williams or Ross), it’d be hard to pass him up. But the same goes with a top RB (like Cook), or a top TE (like Howard), or a top DE (like Garrett). Most likely all of them will be gone by #19, but there’s still plenty of talent that’ll fill Bucs’ needs on offense or defense. For my part, I trust Jason Licht and our coaching staff to draft based on a much bigger picture than any of us have at this point.
January 29th, 2017 at 7:25 am
Zay Jones looked really good! If we could steal him with a 3rd that would be great. Hit DE or TE 1st, the other 2nd. And im starting to think Mixon if he’s still there in the 4th, but I doubt it. I still hate what he did and very near not even wanting him.
January 29th, 2017 at 7:34 am
What do you guys think of courtland Sutton ?
January 29th, 2017 at 7:48 am
I like the way you think caneEric and feel that’s exactly what will happen. Pop I see that list and there is no denying the quality of some those of dudes. But I have a funny gut feeling about Cooper Kupp,my spidey senses(let me get that right or Blake will jump all over me) tell me he is going to be the gem of the second tier grouping. Hope those practices last week made him a priority in the eyes of Bucs management. And again Blake was the first I noticed to mention the kid.
January 29th, 2017 at 8:05 am
If we go all offense with 1st 3 picks and the top receivers all gone then here is plan b
1-oj Howard tight end Alabama
2-receiver zay jones / Kupp/ Reynolds from Texas am
3- running back Kareem hunt Toledo
Weaponsfor Jameis
4- safety
5/6/7 get lucky
January 29th, 2017 at 8:30 am
Sunny,
Courtland Sutton returned to school. Did not come out this year. Don’t confuse with CB Cameron Sutton who did.
January 29th, 2017 at 8:32 am
@Nosbos
Kupp could be the standout of the 2nd tier receivers. Idk tho man its a tough one for me. I watched tape this morning on Josh Reynolds, Zay Jones, and Cooper Kupp.
Honestly wasn’t all that impressed with Zay Jones. After the game yesterday I was thinking Round 2 for him. After watching his tape I wouldn’t pick him before the 3rd. Maybe it is just the system he was in because it seemed like he only worked within 15 yards of the line of scrimmage. I watched his game that Mike Mayock was talking about yesterday vs South Carolina where he had 22 catches. He averaged 8.6 yards per catch.
Kupp’s tape is hard to judge because you can just tell he is plain better than everyone else on the field. He does have that Home run ability Koetter is looking for and it showed in his game vs Washington State.
Out of the three I was most impressed by Reynolds. Love his size and length, big catch radius, good target in the red zone (watch his bowl game vs Kansas State), and most importantly he gets vertical (had a 92 yard TD vs Arkansas). If he can just bulk up a little bit and get around 200 lbs. He could be a legit play maker.
January 29th, 2017 at 8:34 am
@Bird
Don’t put too much stock in the Senior Bowl. Kareem Hunt will still most likely be a Day 3 pick in the 4th or 5th round.
January 29th, 2017 at 8:48 am
Like that assessment Pop.
January 29th, 2017 at 9:01 am
Agree with Bird
1- O J Howard
2-Josh Reynolds( or one of the other Wrs he listed)
3- Kareem Hunt
The weapons Jameis had, at the end of the season- were terrible.
It has to be all about Jameis
In adfition to those draft picks, we need to sign a Rt, De, and vet WR.
So cool, now that team is in good hands
January 29th, 2017 at 9:05 am
I hope ross is off the board when we pick. Not a first round talent imo. Can he be a true #1 receiver in the league? If the answer is no then he isn’t worth a first round pick.
January 29th, 2017 at 9:16 am
Been saying for awhile in here.
Too early to speculate on draft picks for me. Must see free agency first.
Apparently many of you don’t need to see free agency first and have made up your mind how they should draft. Some of you even have your player in mind.
Buc fans are excited again Joe. That’s a GOOD thing!
January 29th, 2017 at 9:17 am
No way he’ll ever be a #1. The 2014 class of WRs had a number of day 1 studs don’t see that happening wit this one in many cases. Last years class had some nice names but appear to be more on the developmental side. Was it Corey Coleman of Baylor that went first WR overall??? I can’t quite recall but thankfully we are not looking for a number 1 which is why if we are passing on the most explosive RB round 1(whom ever that may be) then yes grab the surest looking DE possible.
January 29th, 2017 at 9:22 am
Lol 87 hell join in the festivities. Throw a name or two out there
1. OJ Howard
2. Mixon
3. Reynolds
January 29th, 2017 at 9:23 am
That is good a thing 87 matter of fact that’s a great thing. When I first discovered this site the post primarily were gloomy. Its nice to see The change take hold. As far as the spot I’m hoping we go first round when it comes to free agency I’m no longer sure I would even want Bell if he were available seeing his performance last week. To me it lacked heart. I’m not a steeler fan by any means but I expected more from Bell against the Pats and he came up extra small imo. Playing Big against the little guys then shrinking against the Bullies leaves a Bad taste in my mouth.
January 29th, 2017 at 9:23 am
I still like OJ Howard in round 1….would cause matchup nightmares and give us a lot of flexibility in 2 TE sets(with Brate). Then D’Onta Freeman in round 2….a great 1-2 punch to go along with Quizz Rodgers at RB! Then get the best of who’s left at WR in round 3. We would have a very dynamic offense!
January 29th, 2017 at 9:26 am
What Whata said. We all have our favs. Just good debating between now and when it gets real come draft night. I like seeing the names forces me to go an check sone of these dudes out. Many of you have a special gift for noticing talent. You make me look good at my place of business sharing some of the ideas with my work mates.
January 29th, 2017 at 9:28 am
Only way I’d pass on Howard is if Barnett is there. Yes I know Howard could have a quicker impact but we still need another explosive DE. IMO. Learning from from Beast Master Ayers
January 29th, 2017 at 9:30 am
Jeagan we’ve been saying that for awhile here on jbf but how much two TE sets have we seen from Koetters Offense??? Does he have a history of that in either Atlanta or Jville??? Not downing your idea bro, I’m just curious is all.
January 29th, 2017 at 9:33 am
Barnett looks really good. I’m trying not to make the Von Bell comparison but looking at his face mask and watching him it leads me to believe that is who he patterns his game after.
January 29th, 2017 at 9:34 am
He has become second on my wish list And that’s coming from someone who wants the first three picks to be offensive.
January 29th, 2017 at 9:35 am
No. THey already listed Kareem hunt all the way up to second round potential so 2-4 more likely. So I took the middle number. Check Pewter report on scouting him. And yes I am aware this is senior bowl and yes he was top guy at senior bowl. But you also have guys going in 1st round at senior bowl
January 29th, 2017 at 9:39 am
Nos Bos… Exactly. I love coming here to get my info. What a change of culture. Gone are most of the trolls.
I can feel the heartbeat of TAMPA coming back to life… EVERYTHING is going as planned…
We are turning the corner as a franchise n fanbase. Together we will make the league take notice
#waterworld
January 29th, 2017 at 9:41 am
@Nosbos
We run a lot of two TE sets. Whenever there is a 6th OL on the field it is usually a “2 TE” set. Brate can’t block which is why Koetter does that.
January 29th, 2017 at 9:42 am
Depends on who falls to 19. I’m like NOSBOS. If Dalvin is there we gotta take him. As for moving up to get him…I become more cautious.
If Dalvin is NOT there…I like Joey’s thoughts about even trading back and picking up some pieces.
I would LOVE to figure a way to sign DeSean Jackson or Stills…draft Dalvin and draft Curtis Samuels. Talk about weapons for #3. 4.35 speed in Jackson and 4.4 speed in both Dalvin out of the backfield and Samuels from all over the field. He’s called the next Percy Harvin…and my son the Buckeye claims Samuels has electrifying “football” speed even better than his 40 time. He claims Samuel was the best player on the Buckeyes this year.
IF we could pull that off we do not need a TE in the draft. Brate is just now coming into his own. He has two deficiencies…he’s not a burner and he needs to beef up and improve his blocking. The first will be negated if we have THREE other players who can take it to the house…as for the second I believe Brate a Harvard dude will figure it out. He’s in the gym right now and has nutrionists and physiologists…an entire team of experts helping him get stronger and working on his blocking technique.
January 29th, 2017 at 9:47 am
REALLY starting to like Barnett if somehow he’s there at 19. For the record all I wanted was lineman period lol. Again if Mixon is there in the second. I’m snatching his a$s quickly. Then grab Reynolds
All this AFTER… We’ve signed D. Poe. Stills. Ron Leary (rt?) Garçon/Pryor. Or my ultimate wish… Get Brandon Marshall to play with GODZILLA.
January 29th, 2017 at 9:49 am
Welcome to the Barnett love nosbos (and I think you meant von miller, not von bell, safety). Its possible he does fall to the mid teens with others needing qb’s and rb’s. If the draft wasnt so deep in wr and rb, I’d be ok. But pass rushers like him and Solomon are hard to come by and we still need that.
January 29th, 2017 at 9:49 am
Love Cooper Kupp, Kid could end up being a Jordy Nelson Type developmental pick, and as Jeremiah noted he is already an advanced route runner, with reliable hands. Now he just needs to stay healthy, and continue to hone his body, and get faster and stronger.
Really liked the effort Zay Jones showed a ton of effort and grit on contested catches, and seemed like he was getting open constantly.
Josh Reynolds looked solid as well, high ceiling guy, 6’4 height, lanky arms, crisp routes, just gotta wait on that 40 time.
And there’s my favorite guy at the senior bowl, who was crushing it all week, and had a relatively quiet game, O.J. Howard, I just have a gut feeling that he is going to establish himself as a diligent blocker and matchup nightmare from week 1 onwards. Dude was making $$$ all week long. I just hope he didn’t boost his stock out too much lol.
January 29th, 2017 at 9:53 am
Mannn all that speed over night. That would be a sight for sore eyes Pete. Years one would overwhelming for defensive Qtrs seeing is how there wouldn’t be any film on those dude’s all together. I remember when ask that speed coalesced in St. Loius. They were a problem for most teams just based on speed alone.
January 29th, 2017 at 9:53 am
Well I’m a Corey Davis fan if he drops to 19.
Like Howard too cause JW loves his TE’s.
RB really still is an afterthought for me right now, being that it’s a deep draft.
With all that said, bring on free agency…soon.
January 29th, 2017 at 9:55 am
Whata ion know why folks are not mentioning Marshall as an option??? Yea his age maybe but I think how he an Jeffery have everyone fits when he was in the Chi.
January 29th, 2017 at 9:56 am
My bad Max yea Miller not Bell.
January 29th, 2017 at 9:56 am
This is like Christmas.
January 29th, 2017 at 9:59 am
NOS wants a Dalvin Cook action figure.
I want a Corey Davis action figure.
Please Santa, please.
January 29th, 2017 at 9:59 am
So is it true Josh Reynolds on record saying he wants to be a Buc??? If so that’s means a little something to me Man.
January 29th, 2017 at 10:00 am
😊87 if you can find me one I’d be highly grateful. I’d cut your yard for a year bro.
January 29th, 2017 at 10:01 am
Nos Bos. I have a couple homie who are DIE-HARD noles and asked them about Cook. Gotta say it was 50-50. I for one don’t much care for the smaller backs. I like the Blount, Peterson bruiser type. With that being said, lol not to piss you off, but yea I’ll take Barnett over ya boy… What say you. No ranting. A sensible take… Since this draft is heavy in RB this year. Given Barnett is a special ALSO.
Give me Barnett and get Mixon with the next 2nd
January 29th, 2017 at 10:02 am
Idk if he did, But it wouldn’t surprise me if Reynolds wants to be a Buc.
Since he and ME13 were college teammates.
January 29th, 2017 at 10:04 am
@Stpete
The “draft a TE early” argument has nothing to do with Brate. It is about upgrading Luke Stocker. This is how I look at this idea.
The concept of the offense is to establish the run and work play action. Idk the exact percentage, but multiple times per game we run the ball out of a “2 TE” set with Stocker as 1 TE and an OL as the other TE. You can’t really run play action out of that since 2 of your receiver options are a TE that isnt effective as a receiver and an OL. So when you line up in that formation, to me it’s kind of obvious what you’re doing.
Now lets say OJ Howard does fall to us in the draft, which doesn’t look like it will happen after this past week, and we pick him.
He immediately upgrades the entire passing game, but for this specific formation he becomes a legit weapon defenses will have to worry about whether he comes in for the extra OL or for Stocker. Making this formation a lot more versatile.
This thought is what first turned me on to the idea of taking OJ Howard round 1 and the thought that backed me off of it a little bit is that there will be TEs that won’t be as good as OJ but still better than Stocker in the middle rounds ie: Jeremy Sprinkle
January 29th, 2017 at 10:05 am
Careful guys on the Josh Reynolds size. I like him too. Have him in my mock draft. But his weigh-in measurements were not as advertised. He is not 6-4. He is 6-2 and 6/8ths roughly 6-3. The real knock is that he only weighs 187lbs.
https://walterfootball.com/seniorbowl2017weighinWR.php
January 29th, 2017 at 10:07 am
Who’s coming with me?
Lol
To get Brandon Marshall in here would be incredible. I mean it WR Corp would instantly be upgraded with talent AND knowledge. Add that speed that Stpetebucsfan wants and BOOM.
January 29th, 2017 at 10:07 am
@Nosbos
There are quotes in this article from both Reynolds and from Evans about playing with Reynolds
January 29th, 2017 at 10:09 am
@Macabee
Yea, his weight is the main knock on him. I remember either eading or hearing somewhere that his goal was to get up to 200 lbs. Like I said earlier, if he can bulk up to 200 he can be a legit play maker.
January 29th, 2017 at 10:12 am
the 200 lb thing is actually in the link I posted
January 29th, 2017 at 10:13 am
This JoeyPoppems fellow is a smart lad. That is all.
January 29th, 2017 at 10:14 am
And my bad, I coulda swore I read Reynolds was 6’4.
January 29th, 2017 at 10:16 am
Yea he was listed at 6′ 4″ 190 from the school I believe.
January 29th, 2017 at 10:21 am
Blake,
You did read that and it says that in his A&M bio. It’s common practice among athletes to advertise. Back in the day when I was doing the bar scene, you would be amazed at the size numbers I was throwin’ round at about closing time. lol.
January 29th, 2017 at 10:22 am
They must have measured him in cleats LOL!
January 29th, 2017 at 10:34 am
Does Hargreaves look 5-11 to you guys?
Not to me.
January 29th, 2017 at 10:43 am
Howard 1st , Mixon 2nd. #weaponsforjamis
January 29th, 2017 at 11:03 am
Last year who did we have who could take it to the house? Seriously…NOBODY
Our offense scared nobody…except for us at times. LOL
When your fastest guys are CFL worthy as Joe likes to point out and they are not even good enough to stick on your practice squad you have a SLOW team.
Speed kills! Can you guys tell yet…I want a massive injection of speed on this team…I listen to all of you as long as you’re talking about guys with speed…hence while I love me some Dalvin I’m open to Mixon or any player with a sub 4.5 40…I’m tired of 4.55 players…yeah I know they can be part of the puzzle but we already have them! What we don’t have is blazing speed.
January 29th, 2017 at 11:07 am
Keep an eye on Kareem Hunt, he looks like Marshawn Lynch when he runs, he’s 208 but almost 5’11 he could easily put on more muscle, everyone thinks Lynch was a bigger back but he was only 215, my comparison to Lynch is in his film, every time he gets hit guys bounce of him and he get 5-10 extra yards, watch his film, Mixon is my favorite in this draft, Cook second, but Hunt is right there with them, as long as he runs better than a 4.53
January 29th, 2017 at 11:12 am
I’m like 87 it’s waaaay to early to speculate but like what WhattheBuc has for his top three pretty nice
January 29th, 2017 at 11:13 am
1. Should def try to get Dalvin Cook or Peppers we need a safety and running back.
2. Zay Jones or Njoku
3. A Center
January 29th, 2017 at 11:15 am
I hear you Whata but me and Pete are in agreement when it comes to this speed thing. You and others like big bruisers. I like speed slasher. We’ll all see what Koetter and Licht like come draft night. Hard for me to believe with the production of my guy his talents went unnoticed buy those two. Again I feel Koetter kept talking to Daniel Lasco last combine because he has a specific vision for that position. I could be wrong I just happen to feel my guy fits the mold he saw in Lasco. Just more explosive like he continues to preach everytime he’s in front of a microphone.
January 29th, 2017 at 11:17 am
And to answer your question Pete we had no-one that could. My guy 6 touchdowns over 70 yards or more while in school.
January 29th, 2017 at 11:19 am
Also as far as pass rushers, Chris Harris out of Missouri looks like a beast, 6’3 265, has not only speed and power, he has an unbelievable spin move and other refined pass rush moves, he’s either a natural or he’s been trained really well, he blows up the combine he’s not gonna make it to 19, Derek Barnett looks slow on film interested what his 40 is gonna be, be he runs a 4.8, but Noah ran 4.84 with a reported hamstring problem he got at the Senior Bowl so never know
January 29th, 2017 at 11:21 am
When you can beat 6 over 70 from any RB in college holla at me. If not gone somewhere wit any one of them being better. You don’t just so happen 5500 career combined total yards people.
January 29th, 2017 at 11:23 am
And see y’all new flavor of the week mixon(wonder how long this one will stick) me And Blake got money on his draft future for a reason. Someone posted yesterday about reading something about already hearing his name coming off draft boards. But go ahead thinking that video doesn’t hurt him. We’ll see draft night.
January 29th, 2017 at 11:24 am
@Guzzie, I too was on the Barnett hype train, but I’ve read some scouts poking holes in his film. Saying that he won’t be able to over power NFL Tackles the way he did college ones. And that he won’t have enough speed to bend the outside.
Thats the funny thing about film tho, everyone has a different perception, we all have different eyes.
And by no means is talent evaluation an exact science. If it were, Tom Brady and Antonio Brown wouldnt have made it through 6 rounds of the draft.
January 29th, 2017 at 11:25 am
And let me clarify, that’s 6 runs not just any play. 6 runs 70 yards or more on his resume.
January 29th, 2017 at 11:25 am
Call me crazy guys, but my opinions grow and change in accordance with the learning of new information. I try to keep an open mind.
January 29th, 2017 at 11:27 am
I think that’s the type of speed St.Pete referencing.
January 29th, 2017 at 11:29 am
Blake…we are t talking about the few that slipped, we are talking about a potential 1st round player in Barnett, he reminds me of Adrian Slowborn, where as Chris Harris looks like a Justin Houston type pass rusher, explosive (Harris) versus power (Barnett) I’d prefer explosive
January 29th, 2017 at 11:30 am
Aren’t talking bout the ones that slipped I meant
January 29th, 2017 at 11:34 am
1st DE Chris Harris 6’3 265
2nd RB Joe Mixon 6’1 227
3rd WR Dede Westbrook/Zay Jones/Curtis Samuel
GUZZIES way too early wishlist
January 29th, 2017 at 11:36 am
Plus a solid number 2 WR in FA
January 29th, 2017 at 11:38 am
The video already hurt him Nos Bos. That being said. We shouldn’t turn down a potential 1 if he’s there when we pick. All these weapons we want most likely won’t be there when we pick. Mixon could be. We have strong leaders in our locker room to guide him. He’s been good for a min now.
IMHO we stung when we got Spawn in the second last year, let’s do it again. His immaturity made his stock drop, not talent. We can be that team that lets him showcase who he really is.
January 29th, 2017 at 11:39 am
Guzzie you think mixon will be in Chicago draft night??? If he isn’t( Which he won’t be) it will be telling as to where he and agent think he will be selected. Might have a camera in his living room but he won’t be Chicago.
January 29th, 2017 at 11:41 am
Whata I don’t own a team and I’m not GM ot HC. I’m just a little familiar with the atmosphere in the league when it comes to that right now. Were it not for a video I truly believe Ray Rice would-be gotten a second by now. That video is damming.
January 29th, 2017 at 11:42 am
Whata if there had been video of Spawn ingesting mollie do think you he would’ve been drafted in the second???
January 29th, 2017 at 11:45 am
Duke may very well be a 1st round talent but weve seen people draft stock drop for less. There was no video on Tyrik Hill and he fell to where???
January 29th, 2017 at 11:45 am
Guzzie, thanks for the info. I’ll take explosive too! Where is Harris projected? Nice wish list btw
I’m like Blake, have to stay open minded. Lots of possibilities.
January 29th, 2017 at 11:45 am
Sorry it’s Charles Harris not Chris Harris
January 29th, 2017 at 11:46 am
I’ll you almost out the entire draft thats where.
January 29th, 2017 at 11:47 am
I feel ya Nos Bos, haven’t seen it… I do understand visuals though.
January 29th, 2017 at 11:48 am
Some say Beluchess will take him. Hmm Beluchess didn’t touch Tyrik Hill. The Hernandez situation ain’t that old people.
January 29th, 2017 at 11:50 am
That’s all I’m saying Whata visuals are tough.
January 29th, 2017 at 11:51 am
Whatabuc….first time I heard of Harris, NFL network Daniel Jeremiah mocked him to us at 19, then I looked him up and read what was written, BSPn had him as a top ten prospect in an early December article, checked out his YouTube highlights
January 29th, 2017 at 11:52 am
I believe that if a playoff team needy at RB, or a team on the verge of being a force in the playoffs( Like Us ), feel as tho that have the Leaders in the locker room, they wouldn’t hesitate to spend a late first or early 2nd rounder on Joe Mixon.
January 29th, 2017 at 11:53 am
@Nosbos
The players that go to the actual draft and in the green room are invited to be there. Doubt Mixon will get invited because of the incident, not because he wouldnt want to go.
@WhatdaBUCisthis
Charls Harris will be a 1st round pick. Daniel Jerimiah mocked him to the Bucs at 19
January 29th, 2017 at 11:54 am
Nolebuc…seriously doubt Mixon will be invited to the draft, but you have to admit, Mixon is being talked about a lot on JBF, where he goes is immaterial, as long as the Bucs get him, quite of few Bucs fans will be extremely happy
January 29th, 2017 at 11:54 am
JoeyPoppems let us know the other day that all of his teammates and coaches rave about how great he is in the Locker room. He has been receiving counselling for the last 3 years of his own free will. And he hasn’t had recurring behavioral issues since then.
January 29th, 2017 at 11:56 am
That’s my point Pop. Look ion care if people prefer him over Dalvin that’s y’all mind. I’m just saying lets not act like that occurrence is just going away. Tunsil was sweating last draft.
January 29th, 2017 at 11:58 am
I am not going to run out and buy my Zaye Jones Buc’s jersey just yet. I agree we got a preview into possibly more WR potential in this draft through the Senior Bowl Lense but keep in mind it is a long time until April and the Combine is going to produce a host of workout warriors as will Pro Days. The proof is in how these prospects performed in their college careers, who their schools competed with, their durability and off field activities. I read an article recently that we should be glad Mel Kiper isn’t picking for us and being a close follower of many drafts I can tell you the talking heads are wrong most of the time. If you want truth look at who the Patriots have drafted over the last several years and how many playoff and Super Bowls they have been in.
January 29th, 2017 at 12:00 pm
Tunsil was a 1st rounder if I recall correctly tho.
January 29th, 2017 at 12:01 pm
Guzzie were I not a Seminole you same people would be banging the door down for Dalvin Cook. I’ve watched y’all come up wit guy after guy trying to drown my voice about Dalvin out nice try won’t work. I could care less about a prevailing sentiment on jbf we’ll all see what’s good come draft night.
January 29th, 2017 at 12:04 pm
Yep and lost money cause his stock fell. Now if you believe that reifer and domestic violence are being viewed the same by the league then that’s you bro. I feel differently. Its not that football players just began hitting women h3ll no. Its just that this video era we live inn now has heightened awareness.
January 29th, 2017 at 12:08 pm
Of course I’m a model citizen after indecent I’m trying to get in the league. And maybe he truly is,ion know the kid. I’m just saying video exist. And that it doesn’t help him.
January 29th, 2017 at 12:10 pm
The peanut gallery, and the talking heads, will all raise their voices in displeasure for what ever team chooses to select Joe Mixon In the first 3 rounds.
But the scouts & Gm’s will take all the information into account, realize it was a one time incident, made by a 17 year old minor, who has been in counselling since. And they will see that footage, see all the traits that Jump off the screen, see that he shared time over 2 seasons in college, has a sterling blemish-free injury history, and will undoubtedly have fresh legs.
Someone will take a chance on him. And I’d rather it be us than the Seattle PeeSquats or the Bellicheats.
January 29th, 2017 at 12:13 pm
Nole…Dalvin would be a great pickup, he’s legit no doubt, didn’t he also have some domestic incident early in his career too I may be confusing him with someone else if so my bad, point being young people make mistakes,Greg Hardy and Ray Rice were a grown men, they aren’t as deserving of a second chances, Big Ben and Jameis turned their lives around, these young kids like Tyreek and Mixon deserve the opportunity to get their lives straight, they might not of course but at least they weren’t grown men yet
January 29th, 2017 at 12:16 pm
I’d be OK with OJ Howard in the first as long as we can get Kupp in the 2nd and can get a RB in the 3rd. A DE in the first would be fine with me also. Can’t have enough pass rushers, especially when our DL always seem to end up injured.
January 29th, 2017 at 12:21 pm
@Nosbos
Watch the press conference he did before the Sugar Bowl then form an opinion on him. I watched all 25 minutes and to me he seemed genuinely remorseful and has learned from it and has matured.
January 29th, 2017 at 12:22 pm
Just looked it up Dalvin was accused of punching a girl, but was found not guilty, guess there was no video so must not of been true, being sarcastic, regardless something happened that night, young people do stupid things, it’s up to them to get it together, Dalvin did, Mixon looks like he’s on his way
January 29th, 2017 at 12:30 pm
And on the topic of pass rushers in the 1st round. I still think Taco Charlton will be a better pick for the Bucs than Charles Harris. Both of them can come in and be have an impact, but Taco is still very raw in his technique. He can be developed and take his overall game to another level whereas Harris is already a polished player. With our current DL situation we dont need an immediate 3 down starter. Harris has the higher floor, Taco has the higher ceiling.
January 29th, 2017 at 12:39 pm
I am as excited as every Buc fan on here, like a lot of the players everyone’s throwing out. However until Free Agency gets here and J.L and D.K makes some splash picks like they did this past year, which was a great job with Grimes, Ayers, Agler and Smith and I feel like I am leaving someone out. Fingers crossed we can get like minded players at their respected positions. I believe then we will have a better understanding of the draft and with J.L anything can still happen. Let’s face it outside of Evans and Winston I didn’t see a lot of the players he drafted. They have a grand plan and that’s why they are there. So, it’s fun to speculate but it’s to early for our team to have mock drafts. We have to many holes on offense and defense. Let’s have a great free agency and a great draft and hope we go deep in the playoffs in JW’S 3rd year.
We are building for the future, but let’s not wait. The time is now to make a run and should be that way every year. Go Buc’s
January 29th, 2017 at 12:39 pm
Bingo Guzzie. Now you get it.
January 29th, 2017 at 12:42 pm
Pop I don’t have an opinion of mixon I’m just stating my thoughts on folks being giddy about a kid I think may have trouble being drafted as high as some you think he will is all. I wish all these young men the best, many come from obscure backgrounds.
January 29th, 2017 at 12:46 pm
Andy only part of your post I disagree with what many like to say about too many holes. I disagree a team with too many holes is the Cleveland browns. We on the other hand I feel are a piece or two away from contending. We all want a another Wideout ,I want a stsr RB. H3ll we get Calais Campbell in free agency we set up in my opinion. 9 and 7 don’t quite happens with “too many holes”. I’m not of the mindset that a probowler is required at every position to contend in that league.
January 29th, 2017 at 12:49 pm
Thus defense was statistically the best in the league for a 6 or 7 week stretch. To me that’s telling. Had the O been able to produce more down the stretch we might’ve been playoff bound this season. Detroit definitely wasn’t deserving.
January 29th, 2017 at 12:52 pm
And for the record I’ll take Calais Campbell over any DE entering this draft.
January 29th, 2017 at 1:23 pm
At Nole
I don’t disagree with you at all, I would love us to get Stills and C.Campbell. I also believe that Tampa is a destination that players want to play for!!!! I am maybe going to far saying we have to many needs and holes. More like depth. Hopefully we knock it outside the park in Free Agency and the Draft and go deep in the playoffs. I am all for building for the future, but the time is now and should be every year now. We are proven, good coaching, good front office and a franchise QB. The recipe for a SuperBowl is here!!!!!!
Go Buc’s
January 29th, 2017 at 1:26 pm
I really don’t have an opinion either way on Mixion. If we draft him, I hopes he becomes the best RB in the league and will cheer him on. If we don’t, I won’t follow him at all. I just want the best players. I guess that IS an opinion. Oh well!
January 29th, 2017 at 1:32 pm
I guess this year when he was suspended for a game for an altercation with a parking lot attendant is being “totally clean” Watched the kid… he’s got some skills no doubt, but some of you guys are acting like he is Fournette. I can’t totally speak. I have just watched his highlights. I haven’t really studied him yet. But Ive watched two full games of his so far, he’s fine. Upgrade on Simms for sure. Highlights for running backs from spread option teams are really deceiving . He is a 50:50 blocker. Can catch out of the backfield. Runs with a high motor and energy. Doesn’t shy away from contact. Appears to have a great speed to size ratio. Good not great agility. Good but not great vision from what I’ve seen. Just two games in so So far when watching quickly of Mixon, Fournette and Cook. There looks to be a significant step from Fournette to Cook and then to Mixon. For those that think the video won’t matter….. Tunsil was arguably the best player in the draft. Slipped to 14 due to a pot smoking video. Blount was anticipated to be a 3rd rounder.. undrafted.. Lael Collins.. a guy I was begging the bucs to draft from the 5th round on had first round grades. His pregnant, ex-girlfriend was murdered. At no time was he listed as a suspect, he went totally undrafted. The list goes on and on but thinking that video has minimal affect on his status… I don’t agree with. I see him as a second round back so far. Factor in the film and it goes into the 4th or 5th. I’d take him in the 4th, but I’m not the gm. I might even draft up in the 4th to pick him.. maybe. Blake is correct, just takes one team to love him, just hope its not the bucs. The full games are there. Watch one of his, then one of Cooks, then one of Fournette’s, then do it again. Find a common opponent if possible. Think Auburn played them all. I can’t wait until Vochs Lombardi reviews him… he’s a tuber but he’s a good source.
January 29th, 2017 at 1:40 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_lIFQe-gcs
@Tnew I spoke with Voch Recently on stream about the subject.
Fastfoward to 45:57 minutes in to hear it.
he agrees with me and his personal ranking is Fournette, Mixon, Cook.
I was a bit tipsy at the time so don’t hate. xD
January 29th, 2017 at 1:58 pm
Ain’t nothing wrong wit a lil tipsy I’ll definitely be just that next weekend. Super Sunday my biggest holiday of the year.
January 29th, 2017 at 1:59 pm
@Nosbos
Campbell might be better than one of the DE in the draft this year, but will he be better 3 years from now when these rookies will be hitting their prime? We building a dynasty out here. Not a 1 and done team. Gotta think long term when drafting.
January 29th, 2017 at 2:07 pm
@Nosbos
Just wait til the Bucs are on Super bowl Sunday lol. Not going to be enough alcohol in the world!
January 29th, 2017 at 2:09 pm
See I don’t wanna come across too critical of anyone attempting to fulfil they’re dream. But I don’t follow other schools too tough. I keep an eye the Canes and gators because we usually play both schools each year. With that being said duke coming from a read option offense is news to me and imo that make a difference. Does it mean he won’t be effective in the league no. But how quickly will he adjust to a regular pro style offense if he indeed is taken by a team that has none of that in its offense??? I think its legitimate question.
January 29th, 2017 at 2:10 pm
Won’t be enough in the world Pop.
January 29th, 2017 at 2:14 pm
Same can be said for WRs that come from read option or spread systems. The one exception has been Josh Gordon who clearly would’ve been dominant in anything.
January 29th, 2017 at 2:20 pm
I’m looking at NFL networks Superbowl matchup from the past. Hawks and Steelers on right now. Hawks were statistically dominating but went to half down 7/3. Steelers come out on the second play from scrimmage Parker gose 75 yards. Bettis can be seen on the sideline saying “there is no substitute for speed”. I agree.
January 29th, 2017 at 2:34 pm
Well said Nole: SPEED KILLS
January 29th, 2017 at 2:52 pm
At 19, with no trickery and with the information made available to me at this moment, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers draft RB Dalvin Cook. Last year revealed alot about the team. Safety play is acceptable right now no need to spend heavy on that Tandy and McDougal are a serviceable back field. Tight end play was fine. Wide receivers can be addressed later one with the depth that’s available well into Round 5. The glaring need is running back. While Jacquizz Rodgers is steady with alot of carries nothing made the bucs more dangerous then big plays out of the back field. With the depth at running back and Dalvin’s injury history I believe him to be available. A better RB at a better price that could replace both Martin and Chuck Sims.
And in the 2nd I’m grabbing Trey Hendrickson or The Villanova nightmare to pair with Gholston, we got alot of speed off the edge. Watch out for Jacques and Howard to be back.
3rd round. Look out for OU Dede Westbrook or OSU LB Rae McMillan
January 29th, 2017 at 3:00 pm
@FutureBucsGm It’s gonna be hard to pick dalvin at 19 after the Jaguars take him at #4
January 29th, 2017 at 3:04 pm
I’m on board with FA DeSean Jackson plus a WR in rd 1 or 2. Then maybe we can get some quality out of that CFL guy as a 5th receiver. Could be a big turnaround at the position.
January 29th, 2017 at 3:25 pm
Never has Tom Coughlin chosen a running back that high and I highly doubt he will let happen. TC is going D Line specifically I think he’s going Jared Allen he needs someone to disrupt the game upfront aren’t many special 3 techs in the league Coughlin gets his and Jags become a problem.
January 29th, 2017 at 3:30 pm
I agree with Salish, WR in FA and an early round pick. The development of Winston is the first priority. I’d take a DE in round 1 if Licht doesn’t see offensive value when we pick. I’m good with WR and RB in rounds 2 and 3.
January 29th, 2017 at 3:54 pm
So Blake you think Dalvin will go earlier than Fournette the no current mock has any RB in front of??? Why so??? Would love to hear your expertise.
January 29th, 2017 at 3:55 pm
Be careful BucGM they’ll gang up on you singing any Cook praises.
January 29th, 2017 at 3:58 pm
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2685963-2017-nfl-mock-draft-post-wildcard-round-predictions
January 29th, 2017 at 3:58 pm
I’m yet to see a single mock that has any RB going before Fournette. Actually mocks are starting have Dalvin go after our pick at 19. My partner in cincy say he seen one had him going 23rd.
January 29th, 2017 at 3:59 pm
i’ve seen him mocked to many different spots. The Jaguars being one of them. I think it makes sense since the Jags have a need at RB. And they love to draft local talent.
January 29th, 2017 at 4:00 pm
Now that’s funny😂you think old school Coughlin would be slightly influenced by the bleacher report. C’mon man.
January 29th, 2017 at 4:00 pm
was merely posting a mock draft friend.
January 29th, 2017 at 4:01 pm
were you not just referencing Mock drafts as a source? I could’ve sworn you were.
January 29th, 2017 at 4:02 pm
C’mon bro you’re a new HC with a porus O line. You telling me your biggest priority would be a super talented RB??? Lol.
January 29th, 2017 at 4:03 pm
I sure did and the fact that some have him going asc late as 23 don’t mean spit dude.
January 29th, 2017 at 4:05 pm
I still maintain that he will be gone in the top 15 picks. And that we don’t need to trade up for anyone.
January 29th, 2017 at 4:06 pm
You should worry yourself more about mixon being taken by anyone more so than Dalvin landing anywhere but Tampa. I’ll probably never here from you about those ends which will be cool. I’ll just make it business to remind everyone everyday your not a man of your word so don’t waste your time betting the young man.
January 29th, 2017 at 4:06 pm
And yeah matt millers latest mock has us taking O.J. Howard with Dalvin still on the board. And I would be hella down with that. But that’s me you know.
January 29th, 2017 at 4:08 pm
Matt miller who spoke down about Fameis. Yea I get it. But tell matt I already have a starting TE.
January 29th, 2017 at 4:09 pm
And maybe you wouldn’t trade up but Jason Licht has already proven a willingness to do so bro.
January 29th, 2017 at 4:09 pm
Lot’s of people were wrong about Fameis Yameis. But I’m certain that Miller had us taking Yameis for like 2 months before the Draft.
January 29th, 2017 at 4:10 pm
He’s yet to trade up in the 1st round tho dude.
An important distinction.
January 29th, 2017 at 4:10 pm
So dob yourself a favor and kiss that 2018 1st rounder good by. If need be it’ll be loooonnngg gone.
January 29th, 2017 at 4:11 pm
Let me say again if need be you can kiss that 2018 1st rounder good by. It’ll be looonnnggg gone.
January 29th, 2017 at 4:12 pm
Boy I sure hope not, Jason Licht has hit on every 1st round pick he’s made. So those things are like gold bars around here dude.
January 29th, 2017 at 4:13 pm
You know the same deal the Bills did Watkins.. Didn’t set them back five years.
January 29th, 2017 at 4:13 pm
We’re trying to build a Dynasty round here bub. Dynasties aren’t built by trading away 1st round draft picks.
January 29th, 2017 at 4:14 pm
A GameChanger would be gold around here dude.
January 29th, 2017 at 4:15 pm
LOL that’s why the Bills are looking to draft Sammy Watkins replacement? And have yet to make the playoffs? I’m 100 percent positive that if the Bills could do it over they would not have trading up.
They should have stayed put and got OBJ instead.
January 29th, 2017 at 4:15 pm
*traded* up
January 29th, 2017 at 4:15 pm
Dude after this draft we’ll drafting at the bottom of the draft for many years to come. Our first will be like early seconds anyway.
January 29th, 2017 at 4:17 pm
That’s your mind not sure Bills brass share your sentiment. And OBJ if not careful will be ran out of NY messing around. That city eats its young bro.
January 29th, 2017 at 4:18 pm
And we’ll still build through the Draft just like the best dynasties have Done.
The Steelers, the Patriots, The Broncos, The Seahawks, they all pick near the bottom every year as well, and they build just fine through the draft.
In Fact, Billicheat has made a reputation on trading back and getting more picks.
January 29th, 2017 at 4:19 pm
I’m positive that the bills would rather have someone else.
Mike Evans, OBJ, Jarvis Landry, and Allen Robinson all have better numbers to this point than Watkins.
And none of them cost 2 first rounders.
January 29th, 2017 at 4:20 pm
Ion know what GM you been watching. But the Bucs GM the current one doesn’t sit on his hands draft night homie. Don’t expect to start this draft. Not with that Seminole dangling in face.
January 29th, 2017 at 4:22 pm
I say again, Jason licht has only done his wheeling and dealing in the 2nd round or later.
The only trade he’s made in round 1 is when he traded back.
January 29th, 2017 at 4:22 pm
Y’all love to lie when its convenient pull up the deal and show it to jbf if it was two 1st.
January 29th, 2017 at 4:24 pm
So you believe a GM that has shown a propensity to deal draft Not would never deal in the first round??? That’s what you believe???
January 29th, 2017 at 4:24 pm
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000348048/article/bills-grab-sammy-watkins-after-trading-up-to-no-4
took me 5 seconds to find the proof.
January 29th, 2017 at 4:24 pm
I believe that Jason Licht is wise enough to not deal away something as valuable as a first round draft pick.
January 29th, 2017 at 4:34 pm
Curtis Samuel from Ohio st is gonna be the new version of Percy Harvin, but without the ailments..
He’s rated as the 6th best RB and the 4th best WR on espn draft rankings.
He projects to be a #1/#2 WR in the NFL (think Percy Harvin).
I would LOVE him for our 2nd rd pick, but he might end up going before our 2nd pick once he posts a 4.37 40 yard dash time (projected to be the fastest guy at the combine).
January 29th, 2017 at 4:36 pm
Curtis Samuel is a heck of a player. Would love to get him in the 2nd or 3rd bro.
January 29th, 2017 at 4:38 pm
Bro 2014 was a swap. They took Watkins in the 1st of 2014 did they not???
January 29th, 2017 at 4:40 pm
Yes they swapped from 9 to 4. Used one 1st rounder, the 4th over all pick on watkins. And traded away one more first rounder, their 2015 pick. And a 4th rounder.
1+1=2 so sammy cost 2 first rounders.
January 29th, 2017 at 4:40 pm
So you telling me a GM that traded up to get a specific kicker wouldn’t trade up if necessary to get the best RB if he wanted him??? Rather say to h3ll wit the repor Fameis already has with Cam Brate and draft Howard. Really???
January 29th, 2017 at 4:43 pm
Well, Im like 87 and some others about waiting until after FA. I always have. I also like to wait until after the senior bowl and the combine.
I’ll throw a nugget though for you guys if we can get him with a 4th or later…..
WR Austin Carr out of Northwestern. I know we have a slot in Hump but this guy could turn into something more.
Im also watching safety Obi Melifonwu….probably wont slip past the 2nd, or even 1st…..but I wouldnt mind trading up into the 2nd/early 3rd for him if he’s still there in the later picks.
January 29th, 2017 at 4:49 pm
found it: https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2016/12/27/rsp-boiler-room-no-61-wr-austin-carr/
January 29th, 2017 at 4:51 pm
Now show us all the 2014 pre draft order. I think you’ll see the Bills had one selection in the 1st that draft. Meaning in 2014 that was basically a swap bro.
January 29th, 2017 at 4:53 pm
You can word it however you feel. They swap 9 to 4 in 2014 and gave Cleveland they’re 2015 1st for the solid.
January 29th, 2017 at 4:57 pm
ok, so if a player is selected in the 1st round. They cost one first round pick to acquire. If you then trade away an additional pick. They cost 2 first rounders.
Capiche?
January 29th, 2017 at 4:59 pm
it also backfired on them.
January 29th, 2017 at 5:28 pm
Again word it how you so choose. Its simple they moved up and gave the next years 1st to do so.
January 29th, 2017 at 5:29 pm
Deny it how you so choose, they used 2 first round picks for a player, and it didnt work out. Like it normally doesn’t.
January 29th, 2017 at 5:32 pm
Backfired??? How so??? Cause a few other WRs from that draft that will go down as a historic draft for WRs have better numbers at this point??? Duke career still young, who are you to say what he will or will not from this point going forward. Is that that Ted Thompsom coming out ya???
January 29th, 2017 at 5:33 pm
I’m still trying to figure how they used two when they drafted 4th overall in 2014.
January 29th, 2017 at 5:34 pm
To my knowledge they had a 1st round pick in 2016.
January 29th, 2017 at 5:36 pm
K. Not gonna sit here repeating myself. Later.
January 29th, 2017 at 5:40 pm
Bro the Bills selected Shaq Lawson 19th last draft. Where is this mystery other 1st they gave up???
January 29th, 2017 at 5:43 pm
I’ve already written it down twice. Use your eyes and quit being dumb.
January 29th, 2017 at 6:13 pm
@ nosbos
They bill traded a 1st and a 4 tho for watkins
January 29th, 2017 at 6:14 pm
4th^^^
January 29th, 2017 at 6:34 pm
So, this offseason is going to be the “Nole-Blake” rivalry. If it’s like the “87-ErikClean/ a lot of other posters” rivalry, this will make one hell of an offseason! I was on 87s side 2 years ago. I’m not sure which I’m on now. While I’d like Cook if he’s there at 19, I don’t want to trade up for him. If he’s there and we pass, I’ll be good too. Get your popcorn ready!
January 29th, 2017 at 6:40 pm
Hopefully the Joes will post a running FA/Draft discussion board for us. I would like to see everyone’s thoughts collected on both areas.
January 29th, 2017 at 6:42 pm
Eric75
lol I’m already tired of it. I love Calvin cook, but I am not of the belief that we should trade up for him. So I see both points of view
January 29th, 2017 at 7:18 pm
Everyone calling out Howard, that is not what we need in the first. Sign a WR like Robert Woods in FA. Grab a DE like Solomoan Thomas from Stanford or even a OT from Wisconsin. Hmmm? In the 2nd, could grab David Njoku from Miami, highest ceiling. Grab more WR in FA, or maybe get Kupp in the 3rd, Reynolds in the 5th. Wayne Gallman or Samuel are some of the RBs that could be interesting.
January 29th, 2017 at 7:26 pm
I know GOAT Ion mention that 4th cause many cases a 4th becomes insignificant. But he trying to convince me they up two 1st when they didn’t. Swaping and stil picking in the first round is not giving up a first😂. Ishh funny.
January 29th, 2017 at 7:28 pm
Not bad ideas Lover.
January 29th, 2017 at 7:28 pm
Never said that they traded 2 1st rounders. I’m saying that effectively, they used 2 1st round picks, those being the 2014 & 2015 1st round picks on Sammy Watkins. I really don’t see what’s so hard to understand about that.
January 29th, 2017 at 7:30 pm
I like Mixon and the other players people are talking about. Cook as the first pick if there seems doubtful in my guess. I would not oppose the pick.
January 29th, 2017 at 7:38 pm
I don’t see how in the h3ll selecting 4th that year is giving up pick.
January 29th, 2017 at 7:40 pm
I low key hope we go after Latavius Murray so the Dalvin Cook arguments stop early lmao
January 29th, 2017 at 7:42 pm
I’m looking for free agency after the draft. We should fare nicely in this draft. I hope we get a big strong defensive end in this draft. That’s where we are lacking.
January 29th, 2017 at 7:43 pm
And caught that back and forth between you an waterboy on the other thread. Like I said I didn’t watch him in school but ig mixon comes from some video game style offense like oregon I’ll definitely pass. No RB that didn’t consistently run between the tackles in school should be drafted before the 4th round. They are not ready for pro style defenses. Y’all really can’t tell me s@$! Mixon now. Waterboy was trying to keep quiet but couldn’t any longer. And he ain’t even pro Dalvin.
January 29th, 2017 at 7:45 pm
He’ll be Reggie Bush 2.0.
January 29th, 2017 at 7:45 pm
K.
Because 90 percent of College offenses dont run spread read option currently.
You know, the same offense the Mike Williams and Deshaun Watson played in.
Or the same kind of offense the Mike Evans and Derek Carr played in?
Yawn. Tired of these weak arguments.
January 29th, 2017 at 7:46 pm
So basically y’all want a flashier charles sims. Wow.
January 29th, 2017 at 7:47 pm
Watch tape on Mixon he’s a bigger Chuck Sims. Don’t want him. Every big play is him bouncing outside.
January 29th, 2017 at 7:47 pm
Ted Thompson we talkin bout RBs.
January 29th, 2017 at 7:48 pm
System’s don’t matter all that much unless you’re a Qb. And even then, you don’t care about the scheme, as long as the Traits are there.
And Joe Mixon checks damn near every box.
January 29th, 2017 at 7:48 pm
Since I’ve seen other people throw out their pre FA draft wishlist, Here is mine.
Rd 1 – Quincy Wilson, CB, Florida
Rd 2 – Josh Reynolds, WR, Texas A&M
Rd 3 – Wayne Gallman, RB, Clemson
Rd 4 – Dalvin Tomlinson, DT, Alabama
Rd 5 – Jeremy Spinkle, TE, Arkansas
January 29th, 2017 at 7:48 pm
I been waiting for people to spill the beans on him GM. Its finally coming out. Dalvin lived between the tackles.
January 29th, 2017 at 7:49 pm
what the heck is going on where people are saying Mixon looks anything like Charles Sims?
Poppems can you back me up here? What am I missing, because they look nothing alike to me.
January 29th, 2017 at 7:49 pm
LOL Dalvin lived running to the outside.
January 29th, 2017 at 7:50 pm
D@$! near every box my @$$. Ion want s@$! on my team that congress from that gimmicky s@$!.
January 29th, 2017 at 7:50 pm
You guys are nuts.
January 29th, 2017 at 7:51 pm
UPlload a Dalvin highlight then.
January 29th, 2017 at 7:51 pm
Not even worth my time responding to such mularkey.
January 29th, 2017 at 7:52 pm
Been there done that.
January 29th, 2017 at 7:53 pm
Don’t go searching for Pop. I deal wit three or four of you daily.
January 29th, 2017 at 7:54 pm
You need a combo back that can replace them both (ie the total package.) Otherwise just let Rodgers replace Martin and get OJ Howard who is a damn good blocker. Watch his tape against Texas A&M, dude had Myles Garrett frustrated. OJ would be a valuable asset in the build of Delani Walker. See Jameis at the pro bowl last year. He liked that.
January 29th, 2017 at 7:57 pm
@Future, You must be new here. Because I’ve been hyping up O.J. for about a month now. But I seriously think you need to watch Chuck’s college and Bucs game tapes, and compare them to Mixon.
Because they are 2 different kind of backs. Only similarity the 2 have is that they have good hands.
January 29th, 2017 at 7:59 pm
Lets just be clear. When people make the Charles Sims comparison to Mixon, they are comparing him to the Charles Sims that was coming out of college. NOT the Sims you see today. I still see more 2016 Le’Veon Bell in his running style than 2013 West Virginia Charles Sims.
January 29th, 2017 at 7:59 pm
My boy Voch Lombardi is a youtube talent evaluater and will be dropping his Joe Mixon tape in the coming weeks. I highly recommend watching it when it comes out.
January 29th, 2017 at 8:09 pm
Honestly I was looking at Mixon as an alternative until I saw his tape. In the offense he was in when they knew he was coming he was often stopped behind the line. But his game reminds me of back in the day when I used to play NCAA that off tackle run. Mixon runs off tackle and sweeps that’s his bread and butter I don’t think I saw him take a single dive for 10+ yards honestly. That was Perine in the trenches. But If you got take that states otherwise I’d love to see it. But that coupled with the trouble he brings, just imagine how are RED program will be affected by such a selection your asking for trouble.
January 29th, 2017 at 8:12 pm
Can any1 tell me why the fluff DOUG BALDWIN is starting in the pro bowl over MIKE EVANS??!????!!!!
January 29th, 2017 at 8:16 pm
And when I say Chuck Sims I mean University of Houston Charles Sims. Check his highlights they’re still available and compare them to Joe. Only difference I saw initially was Chuck was better between the tackles.
January 29th, 2017 at 8:20 pm
So basically he CJ Spiller not cmfortable between the tackles and always bouncing to the outside I’m sorry our offense is predicated on the playaction ie dive up the middle. Trust me we made that mistake before. Won’t do it again. Koetter wll pass on this mixon kid. Every run while school will be dissected trust and believe.
January 29th, 2017 at 8:21 pm
Thank you GM and thank you waterboy. Now find yet another guy.
January 29th, 2017 at 8:25 pm
Can’t wait for the day I can read these articles and not see a RB argument lol
January 29th, 2017 at 8:32 pm
Our very own John lynch just got the SF GM job!!!!!!!!
January 29th, 2017 at 8:35 pm
Wow that is definitely surprising. I guess now a small part of me will be rooting for SF to turn it around lol
January 29th, 2017 at 8:38 pm
Hopefully he can also add Hall of Famer to his resume. Getting hired as a GM and getting inducted in the same week? Can’t do much better than that
January 29th, 2017 at 8:42 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1PkiOroeZE
0:19 Joe Meets a defender in the hole, shimmys to the left, runs thru contact, up in between the tackles, and bowls over 2 guys to get the score.
0:37 Zone stretch right, runs behind his blockers patiently, sticks one foot in the ground and cuts through the wash, shows off impressive power and balance at the end of the run to score on the boundary.
0:45 Decent size hole, but Joe sees it and slashes through the D for a score, between the tackles.
0:48 Perfect example of how impressive Mixon’s vision can be. He sees the edge has been set to his left. So he stops, instantly makes a defender miss behind the line with a nice club step to the right, and then lays another vicious stiff arm on another defender to break the big run. Hardly just a sweep play to the right…
0:58 Impressive display of hands with the beautiful 1 handed catch.
1:24 Joe sees the hole before its actually there, hits it, and shows off the incredible open field play making ability and patient running that make him so special in my eyes.
1:44 Joe sees the Clutter in front of him, knows where the open field is, and makes one cut to get there.
2:01 Granted, Huge hole, but this kid is a playmaker in the open field guys.
2:10 showing off his skills as a returner.
2:20 Flashing more impressive hands.
2:26 Another example of making penetrating defenders miss. So pretty.
2:32 Beautiful display of patience, power, and burst.
2:43 I’ll let Joe do the talking on this one.
2:54 More good running between the tackles.
3:08 Take ’em for a ride Joe!
4:01 Sick hurdle
4:07 The jukes, the moves.
4:22 Good video editing here, perfectly synced skrt adlib lol
4:50 Pfft yeah never seen Chuck make a move this good between the tackles.
4:54 Jump Cutting like Lev Bell
4:59 Showing off the power. Don’t see Chuck do this. Ever.
5:05 Thought Y’all said he couldnt run it up the gut?
5:13 another one up the middle. showing off the burst.
5:20 another one. And got damn! that juke at the end tho!
January 29th, 2017 at 8:42 pm
Yeah Highlights are highlights, but this is also video evidence of him doing the stuff you said he doesn’t do. The traits are there. Kid is gonna be a baller.
January 29th, 2017 at 8:45 pm
Jeez Blake, I couldn’t type all that lol
January 29th, 2017 at 8:47 pm
CJ Spiller 2.0
January 29th, 2017 at 8:51 pm
If I were you Blake I would just copy that post for the next time this argument happens. You know, tomorrow lol
January 29th, 2017 at 8:53 pm
Now you’re just being a biter NosBos. Still not as cutting as
#NextDarrenMcfadden
January 29th, 2017 at 8:54 pm
And poppems all i gotta do is post the link to the archives brother.
January 29th, 2017 at 8:55 pm
Bro he gone get hit tippin between them tackles and gone have no more heart for the fight I assure you.
January 29th, 2017 at 8:57 pm
Man you can send all that str8 to oval office for Trump to review it that gimmick offense, that bouncing to the outside running and his off field issue combined. I can see late 6th round.
January 29th, 2017 at 8:58 pm
Mhm, he’s gonna be “tippin” through the defense just Like Le’veon Bell, while Dalvin is at the training facility rehabbing those dainty shoulders.
January 29th, 2017 at 8:58 pm
Who you comparing mcfadden to??? Can’t be Dalvin and them 5500 .
January 29th, 2017 at 8:59 pm
Go watch Darren Mcfaddens college film and tell me he doesn’t look just like Dalvin. Got 80 percent of his college production on sweep plays to the outside too.
January 29th, 2017 at 9:00 pm
Now that’s funny them dainty shoulders didn’t do anything to hurt this years totals dude. But this belief that cj spiller 2.0 will be as effective as Bell I find somewhat trivial.
January 29th, 2017 at 9:01 pm
Well if that’s the case you should be comparing him ya boy mixon.
January 29th, 2017 at 9:02 pm
We’ll see what happens when he gets lit up by a hard hitter like Cam Chancellor or Kwon Alexander. And we’ll see how long that skinny body holds up.
January 29th, 2017 at 9:04 pm
The ignorance level achieved by nosbos in this thread, is simply commendable.
Good show good sir. Excellent trolling m8. I r8 8 outta 8.
January 29th, 2017 at 9:05 pm
I won’t bore you with the many that play or have played with that same body. But you like that spread O huh???
January 29th, 2017 at 9:07 pm
Don’t be testy wit me cause these good folks dismantled your precious mixon. Shoulda went to a pro style school if was all that.
January 29th, 2017 at 9:08 pm
That spread kinda flashy huh??? Excite ya???
January 29th, 2017 at 9:09 pm
Except they didnt. And I posted video evidence to contrary. Detailing specific plays that showcased the opposite of what they were saying.
But ok. Attach yourself to their opinion just because it kind of supports your own.
January 29th, 2017 at 9:10 pm
That way you don’t have to actually put any real thought into the things your saying.
That is your style.
January 29th, 2017 at 9:24 pm
I really would hate to interrupt you two, but this took me a while to look up and I would like to share it.
Nole on Sat- Bucc on Sun Says:
January 29th, 2017 at 11:21 am
When you can beat 6 over 70 from any RB in college holla at me. If not gone somewhere wit any one of them being better. You don’t just so happen 5500 career combined total yards people.
When you said this Nosbos, I was curious where Donnel Pumphrey’s numbers would rank compared to Dalvin Cook’s
Dalvin Cook: 5,399 total yards
Donnel Pumphrey: 7,446 total yards
Now to your credit, Pumphrey only has five 70+ yard TD runs on his resume so hopefully over 2,000 more yards makes up for the 1 TD difference.
You know what the bigger difference is? Cook will be a top 20 pick most likely and Pumphrey will most likely be a day 3 pick.
So again stats don’t tell the whole story of a player.
January 29th, 2017 at 10:08 pm
I’ve got my popcorn! This is gonna be a fun ride! Thanks Nole/Blake!
January 29th, 2017 at 10:13 pm
Joey, I like Pumphrey, just don’t know how his small size will hold up in the league. I think it was Jeremiah that said he was surprised how not jacked up he was. A lot of the smaller RB are built like a brick wall, short and stocky. I hope his shiftiness can help him avoid the big hits at the next level.
January 29th, 2017 at 10:36 pm
Yea I’m not making a case to draft Pumphrey. Just making a case to not put a lot of stock into stats when evaluating players. And I also question how he will hold up in the NFL with his size. I gotta give him props tho. over 1100 total touches in his career and no injuries at 5′ 8″ 170 lbs. That’s impressive.
January 29th, 2017 at 11:00 pm
Ok so only because the Pro Bowl is on and I’m trying to stay awake til midnight I’m going to actually sit up here and breakdown highlights with you. Any other time I would prefer a group discussion via Google Hangout or something. Something we can post for others to see. I hate working for free lol jk I love this stuff.
So based on the highlight you provided on Joe Mixon. I’m going to give you my perspective on the film.
-1st play looks like a draw play vs Houston. Draw plays are where QB takes what looks like a 3 step drop and looks as if he’s going to throw it yet lowers it and hands it off. Its a play Chuck does alot and is good at.
(41 plays – 9 were delays/draws.)
-2nd play was a fake screen to the right. Draw up the middle.
-draw. (note receivers running actual routes)
-Right off tackle.
-QB option to MIxon. off tackle run.
-Heading outside, Poor pursuit by NIU. Lead him to cut back which was smart.
-Pass bobbled. Poor throw by Baker else Mixon wouldve scored I think.
-Screen.
-delay/draw.
-Left off tackle. Perine lead tackle.(Must’ve been a split backfield)
-Started outside but cut back in @ 1:29
-Sweep
-The play looked as if it designed for a dive yet ended up being a run to the left off tackle. Note the flag likely for holding.
-Body catch (Baker Mayfield’s fault didn’t lead him at all.)
-Double option sweep.
-Had major advantage 3 blockers on 1 defender at LOS. backside pursuit is horrible. Sticks to design wouldve loved to see him score on those odds but I understand their wide receivers suck at blocking.
-delay
-catch
-catch
-draw
-delay
-off tackle
-catch
-offtackle
-catch
-off tackle
-delay
-he throws it
-off tackle
-nice catch
-off tackle
-off tackle
-trick play looks like a fk jet sweep to westbrook.
-off tackle
-catch
-nice spin move
-catch
-off tackle
-off tackle
-delay draw
-inside
-delayed draw
-this play I thought was interesting. It looked like he was heading outside (off tackle design) but the defense forced him inside. 15 yard gain. That play ruined my claim before that he never ran it up the gut for more than 10 yards. wish I didnt see this play lol.
-off tackle.
-Looks like a 4th and 1 (possibly 3 and 1) 4 WR set single back formation. This is where I question his vision and decisiveness he got the 1st. D-Line had no pen and yet still almost stopped him. This is where a player of his size 220 something should be more like Doug then Chuck yet looks like Chuck. Actually his size makes him look like L.Blount when he was in Tampa (big back that doesnt seem to know he’s a big back) but ofcourse much faster.
-Last couple plays I like instead of off tackles Mixon has success with some iso cutback runs.
Overall where he has success 9/41 delays; 14/41 off tackle.6/41 catches. 29/41. My daughter just slid on the white board I was using to take notes so the numbers are going to be off.
But here’s what I’m getting at with Joe Mixon. Dude is 220 something- moves like a scatback. UPSIDE: Not alot of mileage because he has played alot and he split carries with samaje perine. Downside: He relies on big plays to the outside. I don’t know why maybe its by design or something everything says that he should but it doesnt look to be in his cards.
Remember that 1st play on the highlights. Big run vs Houston. Guess what he finished with from that game. 6 carries for 40 yards. That play was for 32. imagine what the next 5 carries looked like.
I’m not interested in Joe MIxon in the draft. If he comes as an undrafted player fine. But I personally am not interested. Hey Legarette Blount turned out to be good player but guess how he came into the league.
I rest my case on Mixon and suggest that if The Buccaneers have the opportunity to select Dalvin Cook at 19 they should do it. If he’s not there I would go for WMU Corey Davis or Alabama’s OJ Howard. We need to address offense and the glaring need was @ Running Back. Only reason I didnt mention Fournette is because I just don’t see him falling to 19. People see him as a generational talent in the likes of Adrian Peterson. Don’t trade up for Dalvin Cook if none of them fall to us it means some one who shouldnt have fallen fell. (ie Tunsil style.)
January 30th, 2017 at 12:05 am
Fkn time….wish I had it to argue and get into it like some of you sumbtches….but life happens.