Interesting View Of Revis Release
July 18th, 2016
Future Hall of Famer Darrelle Revis getting cut by Tampa Bay is Joe’s ultimate headache, the kind that lingers and doesn’t respond to painkillers.
So Joe is hypersensitive to everything relating to that mind-numbing personnel move.
This morning on SiriusXM NFL Radio, Mike Nolan, the former 49ers head coach and a defensive coordinator for a whopping seven NFL teams, talked at length about how coaches who dump talented players that don’t fit their systems are simply bad coaches, or misguided at best.
Coaches saying, ‘We just do what we do’ are missing the point of coaching, Nolan said. He emphasized coaches are paid to adapt and work with a roster, and he said, “Coaching is a tool to bring out the best in players,” rather than to dump good players in the name of a system.
“Letting a talented guy go who doesn’t fit your scheme is bad business,” Nolan said.
Lovie Smith never even got a look at Revis on the practice field.
But what really caught Joe’s ear was Nolan naming the organization he believes is the least likely to dump a talented player. Nolan picked the Arizona Cardinals, led by general manager and former player Steve Keim, and head coach Bruce Arians and his veteran coaching staff. He said the Cardinals’ approach is wholly about adjusting to players (aka coaching) and creating an environment in which all talent can thrive.
So what, you ask? Jason Licht was Keim’s right hand man before coming to the Bucs and maintains close ties to his Arizona relationships. After hearing this from Nolan, it’s hard to believe Licht marched into Tampa and jumped at the chance to launch Revis. It sure feels like that edict came from Coach My Scheme.
July 18th, 2016 at 11:20 am
I agree with this topic completely. Licht is OK by me. That Arizona game in week 2 will be a huge test of where the Bucs stand overall.
July 18th, 2016 at 11:30 am
Of course it was the incompetent one!!!! NFL GM licht deferred to coach my scheme on all defensive decisions!!!! He did not want Revis, could not fit him in his system, could not adjust, and most of all Revis is outspoken when he see’s something he does not like!!! If you think some of us trashed the Incompetent one then be glad Revis was not here for the 2 year of debacle (as described by coach my scheme’s hand picked players)!!!!
July 18th, 2016 at 11:34 am
just one example of Lovie’s personnel decisions.Mike Jenkins ,tim Jennings for example.
His player selection was horrible,and he set the team back with his determination to play his players.Schiano’s and Frazier’s defense were more effective than any Lovie put on the field.
July 18th, 2016 at 11:39 am
Realist…I think that’s just it. Revis would have outed Lovie’s D. He would have said something. So it’s buh bye.
W…T…F?
July 18th, 2016 at 11:42 am
just another example of why lovie was worst coach in bucs history. lovie is just another failure from the media darlings bad coaching tree….
July 18th, 2016 at 11:48 am
Not only in football but in the real world. The best leaders adapt to get the most out of their employees/athletes. And the saddest thing of all is that Lovie really thought his approach was the best one. Some people mean well but their best effort is mediocre in the scheme of things. Lovie’s stubbornness ultimately was his downfall. Same could be said for Schiano.
July 18th, 2016 at 11:48 am
If we kept Reavis, we would not have Jameis. I’m fine with the way it worked out. Thank you Lovie.
July 18th, 2016 at 11:50 am
There is no way Licht had anything to do with the release of Revis. He was hired by Lovie, so Lovie was calling the shots with regards to the roster (at least in year one).
July 18th, 2016 at 11:53 am
with so many holes to fill the bucs didn’t have the luxury of keeping a $16M/year player on that team LOL unfortunately or fortunately – however you want to look at it — the players brought in with the savings sucked and we got Jameis 🙂
July 18th, 2016 at 11:57 am
I agree that you figure out a way to keep a future HOFer on the roster and fit him into your scheme. I never could understand that decision.
What I find laughable about this conversation is the amount of posters on this site who couldn’t wait to jettison Revis because he was “making too much money”!!! There were scores of posts about what the Revis money could get. Now those same posters can hide behind Lovie’s failure as HC.
Hypocrites!
July 18th, 2016 at 11:57 am
grafikdetail
that is not accurate at all. bucs had plenty of salary cap to not only keep a future hall of famer in revis and sign free agents for holes… bucs carried over 19 million that year… the following year lovie single handily created 29 million in DEAD cap space so the bucs could not afford him is just BS
July 18th, 2016 at 12:05 pm
Whether the Bucs could “afford” Revis or not – NO CB is worth $16M. And that statement still holds true with 3 additional years of salary cap increases. It was a bad deal all the way around – a desperation move by Dom that never should have happened.
July 18th, 2016 at 12:09 pm
$16M for a shut-down cover corner and future HOFer in his prime is worth every penny. How have we done in the secondary since? And he wasn’t even 100% healthy! Sorry Pickgrin I disagree.
July 18th, 2016 at 12:11 pm
Pickgrin
when you have sucked for so long like bucs have and you have no leadership on your team you have to overpay. jameis was not on roster yet the bucs were 100% void of leadership and legit star power…. sorry but the fragile ice cream man is not a leader or legit star
July 18th, 2016 at 12:21 pm
Worst. Bucs. Coaching. Ever.
Past bad coaches were hamstung from lack of real free agency (remember how giddy Bucs fans used to get over that “Plan B free agency?”), cheap owners and salary cap.
Not any more.
Sorry, Lovie fans, he was a bad coach for the Bucs. And I say that as one who was very happy when he was hired.
July 18th, 2016 at 12:28 pm
I just blame Lovie for every stupid decision made year 1. Simple as that! Plus Revis isn’t Revis anymore so good riddance.
July 18th, 2016 at 12:36 pm
funny how people forget schiano had revis playing zone…the best man cover corner playing zone!!!!!….and people like @realist will be quick to say he was playing zone because he returned from a knee injury….BS….he was playing zone because that’s the type of defense schiano ran….simple as that….I agree with what Nolan said in the article tho….GO BUCS!!!!
July 18th, 2016 at 12:39 pm
@DB55,
Amen brotha. He had 1 more good year in him and that was it. Still definitely above average, but not 16m-a-year above average.
Trading for him was a terrible move in the first place. Letting him go for nothing was equally terrible. But now we have JW so who cares.
JW > Revis
July 18th, 2016 at 1:05 pm
I still think 16 million was an outrageous contract, and it’s a lie to say Revis was in his prime – he himself has admitted he was a step slow that season while still recovering. He did have a good year with the Patriots, but they weren’t willing to pay him 16 million, and last year I read on more than one occasion that people said he’s just not the same player anymore. So 16 million for a corner NOT in his prime is what we were getting – outrageous.
On the other hand, we could have afforded him, and he still would’ve been our best CB. I was actually shocked when they released him.
I agree with the point here… Good coaches work with talent and develop a scheme around it, and Revis’ termination was probably a Lovie call. I fully expect the Losie apologists to rise up in defense of Coach MyScheme… and the Licht bashers to continue to use the first year failures to knock him down, even though Losie was probably calling all the roster and free agency shots in year one.
July 18th, 2016 at 1:09 pm
Um, because he wasn’t quite 100 percent recovered from his knee. And he played that zone quite well.
The $16 million? Of course it was worth it. He’s a Hall of Famer. Those guys don’t grow in orange groves. The best players are worth every nickel they make because they are paid for results. If you are an elite player, that’s getting results.
How have the Bucs been since they saved that cash on dumping Revis? How much of a drag was Revis’ salary on the Pats two years ago (Super Bowl win), or the Jets last year (missed playoffs in last week)?
As always, when someone can demonstrate to Joe x-amount of money spent/saved = y-wins/losses, then Joe will start worrying about salary cap ramifications.
July 18th, 2016 at 1:12 pm
Cutting Revis was a mistake, plain and simple. Whether he was/is worth $16M is irrelevant considering the salary wasted on the FAs that “replaced” him (don’t make me re-live that list of bums!). Have we forgotten the greatness of Michael Johnson or Anthony Collins?!!! Heck, we wasted more than $16M just paying them not to be here!
July 18th, 2016 at 1:18 pm
Thank you Joe! My point exactly! You simply do not chase HOF caliber players out the door!
July 18th, 2016 at 1:29 pm
Joe Says:
July 18th, 2016 at 1:09 pm
Being a HOFer and playing like one are 2 different things. Revis will be in the HOF, but did he actually play like a 16 million dollar player in his one year here? Probably not. And the Patriots were only willing to pay him 12 million the following year, and the Jets aren’t paying him that AFAIK. So no, you’re wrong. He was NOT worth 16 million for us… but we probably could’ve sucked it up and paid it anyway. But that’s what the Glazers gave the fans – Coach MyScheme.
July 18th, 2016 at 1:29 pm
@salish- Perhaps there’s some truth to him not being the same player. Injuries will take a toll. However, he was what 28 or 29 when we let him go. How old was Ronde when he retired?
Look, there are some people who just don’t like Revis (for whatever reason!) but when you have a guy with that kind of talent, how do put a price-tag on it? It’s not, nor will it ever be OUR money. Who cares what he gets paid. On one leg Revis is better than all of our DBs from last year combined. What’s that worth? Well…….Lovie’s job apparently!!!
I think it was a huge mistake to cut him, but that was 3 years ago. If any of our talent even comes close, we’ll be in good hands.
July 18th, 2016 at 1:39 pm
The Revis mistake was the trade itself. A #1 plus a #3 or 4 when the Jets were about to lose the player for nothing. I felt at the time that the Bucs could have gone all Trump by dropping the offer to a 2 or less.
Also, Domenic put himself in a time bind by keeping the deal open while the better corners were coming off the table in free agency. Sure, a healthy Revis would be the best, but two $5mill cbs would have covered more ground than one $16mill did.
I know that Domenic got props for being honorable in not changing terms. But could you imagine how Bellicheck would treat a trade partner who strung him along like that.
July 18th, 2016 at 1:40 pm
@Bucsfanman-
All I said is that he was not a 16 million dollar player for us, or in the couple years since. It also didn’t help that he didn’t really want to be in Tampa. But I also said we probably could’ve kept him.
“how do put a price-tag on it?”
->> You do it just like every team does – by putting a price tag on it. This has nothing to do with whether it’s OUR money. I care what a guy gets paid because overpaying can impact other roster decisions negatively and setting a precedent for bad contracts is a terrible way to manage your team. That does make a difference in the W/L column, eventually if not immediately…
One of Joe’s weakest themes is about not caring about the salary cap. What players are paid does matter, and we should care if we follow the team closely.
July 18th, 2016 at 1:43 pm
If the Bucs don’t get rid of Revis, they probably don’t lose enough to land Jameis. Then where would they be? Glad it happened.
July 18th, 2016 at 1:45 pm
Those that say trading for him in the first place was dumb are correct. It was what they gave up to get him that sucked, because the team did need secondary help badly. I was calling for….Brent Grimes back then. They signed Revis so I was happy until I saw the deal.
But letting him go after giving up what they gave up…that’s was pure DUMB.
July 18th, 2016 at 1:46 pm
@Tony
Do not underestimate coach my scheme’s incompetence!!!!
July 18th, 2016 at 1:47 pm
@bucsfanman – as you’ve said, we weren’t willing to pay $16 million to a proven CB whose greatest crime was declining from best CB alive to 4th or 5th best CB alive (possibly only temporarily due to ongoing rehab)…….then, not only could we have made Revis fit under that year’s cap, the next year we were forced to eat more than that amount of guaranteed money (with associated cap hit) just to walk away from some of the bums the money was later spent on.
If you really want to stick the knife in, you can also note that another $10 million of the 2015 cap was committed to guys who were brought in to replace cut\traded starters (zuttah, revis) but were highly-paid backups by the end of Lovie’s Bucs career.
July 18th, 2016 at 1:48 pm
It’s pretty obvious who was in charge of nfl free agents and who was in charge of scouting college kids.
After Lovie year in his Chicago basement he thought he had the nfl free agents for the upcoming year all figured out. As far as college scouting and the combine, he was bored to tears with it and I’m sure with his track record at Chicago made it easy for him to give that job to Licht.
Bottom line, the personnel moves were just a small part of what made him a terrible modern day head coach. His scheme and in-game decisions were awful. He’s gone, good riddance.
July 18th, 2016 at 1:53 pm
Buc1987 is right, it was Dumb to trade a 1st and 3rd round pick for Revis, But coach my scheme doubled down on the mistake and cut him so he surrendered a 4th instead of the 3rd. We did get CS34 though!!!!
July 18th, 2016 at 1:56 pm
What some fail to consider is that the AFC East has garbage receivers especially during Revis’s heyday. If not for Moss who regularly burnt Revis there was no competition.
If you don’t believe me look at Brent grimes ints in the AFC East vs NFC South. Huge difference, I mean YUGE!!! 13 Ints in 2 years vs 5 years.
Now in his 10th season, Grimes has produced when given the opportunity either in Atlanta (13 interceptions from 2007-12) or Miami (13 interceptions from 2013-15).
July 18th, 2016 at 1:57 pm
@salish- Your point is valid. I would just point out that player’s salary is typically based on past performance.
Did we get a $16M Revis? No. Did we use the money we “saved” from cutting him wisely? Heck no!
@pick6- The Revis deal could have easily been forgotten except for the fact that the perceived “savings” never amounted to anything. You could actually argue that it cost us more to cut/replace him than if we had paid the man.
I’m still shaking my head that we’re arguing these points 3 years later. It was a mistake.
July 18th, 2016 at 2:04 pm
Bucsfanman..lol it’s still the offseason man.
July 18th, 2016 at 2:05 pm
And Brent Grimes would have been nice 3 years ago…
July 18th, 2016 at 2:06 pm
Too much coffee I guess!!! Woooooooooo!
July 18th, 2016 at 2:41 pm
The Buccaneers (meaning Jason Licht) wanted to renegotiate with Revis in order to improve the roster at the time. The Buccaneers did not want to lock up $16 million a year to a guy who would make a marginal impact with wins and losses on a rebuilding team in 2014. Revis did not want to renegotiate his contract so both parties parted ways. Simple as that.
I don’t remember Mike Nolan working for the Buccaneers or part of the team negotiating with Darrelle Revis. How could he possibly speak to what Lovie Smith wanted? He didn’t work for Lovie Smith.
July 18th, 2016 at 2:46 pm
@D-Rome
The whole renegotiation was to get it down to 12 million a year and then trade Revis!!! No team would pay 16 million and give up draft picks!!! Only a complete moron would do that!!!! But Revis new he could just get cut and then he would pick his own team!!!!!!!
July 18th, 2016 at 2:48 pm
Obviously there was only one person dumb and too proud enough to be that ignorant and foolish, thankfully he’s now ruining football minds in Illinois
July 18th, 2016 at 2:50 pm
Funny the mind numbing personnel move that gives Tom a headache every time he thinks of it was the trade for Revis. When ‘Take my picks’ numbnuts GM Mark Dominik decided trading a top 15 pick and a 4th for a 16 million dollar corner recovering from ACL surgery on a bad team was better than paying 1/3rd the salary and no picks for Brent Grimes or Aquib Talib who have performed as well or better than the HOF corner who was dumped.
To think we’d never have to worry about all the pain Joe was caused by the release if we never made the foolish decision in the first place!
July 18th, 2016 at 2:57 pm
@joe…”Um, because he wasn’t quite 100 percent recovered from his knee. And he played that zone quite well”….
so why didn’t schiano play man once he was 100%?….or are you suggesting he was less than 100% the whole he was in tampa?….GO BUCS!!!!
July 18th, 2016 at 3:06 pm
As Buc1987 stated, acquiring Revis in the first place was the bonehead move. Teams that are in rebuilding mode don’t need all-world cornerbacks. Dominik would have been much better served drafting a player like Sheldon Richardson and getting 5 full seasons from him.
Plus, everybody knows you build a defense from the defensive line back! Acquiring Revis and Dashon Gholdson was backwards thinking from the world’s worst General Manager.
Say what you want about Raheem, Schiano, and Lovie; they all made the Bucs worse. The real reason the Bucs went into the toilet for so long was because Dominik whiffed on so many premium draft picks, made terrible trades, and misjudged so many free agents – both coming and going.
July 18th, 2016 at 3:08 pm
Why don’t we look at how he got here, it had to be done, LOVIE may have did the deed, but I didn’t even hear a rumor that Licth was upset about it! Spin it like you will, we’ll never know the truth!!
July 18th, 2016 at 3:15 pm
@813bucboi
“Earlier in the year, I didn’t have the explosion to play press; the receiver would just run the (vertical) 9-route on me and I didn’t have the stamina to do that play in and play out, especially playing press,” Revis said, per the Tampa Tribune.”
Revis said he played more press coverage last week during the Bucs’ loss to the Carolina Panthers. He expects that amount to increase as the year progresses and he gets stronger. per the Tampa Tribune.
and after the Probowl in 2013
“I’m 100 percent, man. I feel real great. You know, through the course of the year it got stronger week to week. And I’m just trying to continue to improve and get back to where I used to play great ball.”
https://www.joebucsfan.com/2014/01/finally-revis-declares-knee-is-100-percent/
July 18th, 2016 at 3:29 pm
@realist…but did it actually happen?…no…saying and doing are 2 different things….schiano still had revis playing zone the entire year….banks and revis had almost identical stats that year because both were in a zone….GO BUCS!!!!
July 18th, 2016 at 4:02 pm
America’s Commenter Says:
July 18th, 2016 at 3:06 pm
Exactly.
July 18th, 2016 at 4:02 pm
I love how people say a CB isn’t worth $16M. Who died and made you a GM? I didn’t realize we were having a hard time staying under the cap due to his salary. Would you rather that money go to Myron Lewis? Ask New England if he was worth that money.
If we had a loaded roster with a QB making $100M, then I could see that logic. If we had salary cap issues, then I could see us showing him the door. Revis is a first ballot hall of famer, and we let him go for nothing. How many other first ballot (or any ballot) hall of famers do we have after we got rid of Revis? By my math, that would be a big fat zero. If any of you really believe us getting rid of him had anything to do with money, then you’re a bigger idiot than the idiot that got rid of him. He got rid of him because MyScheme believes that he didn’t fit his system, and in his system, having a lock down corner isn’t important. I don’t know about any of you, but any system that doesn’t want a lock down, hall of fame CB isn’t a system I want in Tampa. But go ahead and blame Dominik, because that never gets old.
July 18th, 2016 at 4:05 pm
Everyone conveniently forgets that we were 7-9 the year before we acquired Revis, and we were looking like a team with a lot of promise. We had an abysmal passing defense, but the #1 rushing defense. So explain to me again how it is a dumb move to bring in a hall of fame CB to a team on the rise, one whose biggest demise the year before was that they didn’t have any CB’s that could cover anyone.
July 18th, 2016 at 4:05 pm
D-Rome Says:
July 18th, 2016 at 2:41 pm
Joe made that connection. I don’t think Nolan made his comments in the context of a discussion about Losie Smith.
July 18th, 2016 at 4:07 pm
as I recall revis made trips to schiano’s office because he wanted to play
press.Schiano listened but had no intention of listening to Revis or any other Buc leader that went and talked to him.
July 18th, 2016 at 4:08 pm
Hawaiian Buc Says:
July 18th, 2016 at 4:02 pm
Well, those who say a guy IS worth $16M are playing GM also. We discuss opinions here. Duh.
I don’t have to ask. They only paid him 12 million.
[Drops mic]
July 18th, 2016 at 4:11 pm
That said he was smart enough to use the strengths of LVD properly.
July 18th, 2016 at 4:26 pm
As with anything….it’s who did you replace Revis with…..if we had acquired some top notch talent with the $16 mil, nobody would be complaining….but we got Ghost Johnson & Anthony Collins….even Verner was a disappointment as was McCown.
So the money went down the drain.
July 18th, 2016 at 4:38 pm
@salish_seamonster,
Yes, NE did pay him $12M. It was a 2 year contract for $32M, but only 12 was guaranteed (which is obviously all they paid). However, the Jets paid him $16M last year, and he will get $17M this year, so I believe that would be 2 GM’s now that have paid him $16M. As a result, I don’t think it’s me playing GM, it’s actual real NFL GM’s paying him that much.
But if you are a results type of guy, then lets look at the results. Revis plays a year in Tampa to rehab his knee. Even while rehabbing, he still manages to make a Pro Bowl. We got rid of Revis for a few scrubs. We went 2-14. The Pats got Revis and won a Super Bowl. The Jets got a first round pick for Revis, then got him back 2 years later. Revis got paid a total of $44M for the last 3 years, won a Super Bowl, and has pretty much sealed his name as a top 3 player at his position of all time. Seems to me the only team that is a loser in this scenario is the Bucs. But apparently in your eyes the problem is we got him in the first place. Gotcha.
July 18th, 2016 at 5:09 pm
If we can go toe to toe with arizona and carson palmer this year that will speak volumes of what is to come years from now. Damn Im excited
July 18th, 2016 at 5:13 pm
@HB,
Yes, exactly – “the problem is we got him in the first place”. Trading a #1 pick for a CB still rehabbing a knee, and then paying him a contract well above the going rate for the position while having him play zone, on a team that was in a rebuilding mode is about the stupidest thing I can imagine. I thought it was dumb then, but I got on board after it happened, since I still want my team to win. I was surprised when they released him though, because I thought they’d give him a chance to make that investment worthwhile. But there’s no way he would’ve been worth 16 million in Coach MyScheme’s defense.
July 18th, 2016 at 5:52 pm
I agree with what salish said at 1:40.
July 18th, 2016 at 6:00 pm
There is never a problem with getting a hall of famer in his prime. The problem is when you don’t know how to use him. I’ll ask for probably the 50th time (no one ever answers) : we were so far under the cap, who should that money have gone to? Everyone complains about guys making too much money, yet also complain about the Glazer’s being cheap. It was a fantastic decision to bring in Revis, but completely moronic to get rid of him after one year.
July 18th, 2016 at 6:04 pm
I agree that the pop-star and the incompetent one ran the Bucs into the ground!!!!!!!!
and coach my scheme was a terrible coach as stated by Coach Nolan!!!!!!!
July 18th, 2016 at 6:20 pm
salish…7-9 isn’t exactly rebuilding mode. In fact the roster was loaded with vets. Not very good ones, but…
July 18th, 2016 at 6:24 pm
What we have here is a lack of understanding that it doesn’t matter how he got here or who let him go, it will have absolutely no impact on the upcoming season, our defensive backfield has a new scheme, better coaching and drafted new talent plus a pro-bowl free agent that was brung in to sew up the back end! Now let’s get to work and make it happen, Revis is just like LOVIE…..GONE NEVER TO RETURN, no use worrying about who’s not here!
July 18th, 2016 at 7:29 pm
Agree 1000% with you BHHaynes. Butt..this living in the Lovie past is fodder for postings. That’s all its worth. The only thing matters is the Bucs trying to get out of the NFC South cellar. Guys spend way to much time Lynching old Lovie time and time again fueled by Joe here posting his ,,scaoegoat guilty verdicts repeatedly.. Won’t help us win one game this year. Lovie and Revis could less about the Bucs. They’ve already spent the money. Cracks me up when Joe dangles the bait and the same frenzy freaks starts with the SOS. All’s I can say is..This new regime had better deliver.
July 18th, 2016 at 7:49 pm
By Joe’s reckoning a HOFer is worth every nickle of 16 mil a yr. Well with today’s salary cap you better hope you don’t have four Hof’ers or good luck paying the rest of your team. NObody is worth 16 mil a yr outside of QB unless he is the One cog that gets you over the top. Sorry but Revis was NEVER going to do that for us.
July 18th, 2016 at 7:53 pm
Big Hog…..That is the Single most Logical post I have ever seen by you. Kudos brother
July 18th, 2016 at 8:03 pm
@ Mr. BigHogHaynes
I have to agree with SB with Jameis. It was the single most eloquent statement that he has ever written on JBF!!!! In fact, The grammar is excellent, and it a clear and concise paragraph!!!! In fact I am so proud that I will not say one bad thing about coach my scheme for the next 24 hrs!!!!!
To all Buc Fans, I say peace and love, peace and love!!!!!
July 18th, 2016 at 8:04 pm
Keep keepin’ it real Realist.
July 18th, 2016 at 8:10 pm
SB/J: Thank you!0
July 18th, 2016 at 8:20 pm
@Realist: I preach all the time to my grand kids, learn to be grateful and learn to say thank you…….thank you!
July 18th, 2016 at 8:52 pm
I feel the love!
July 18th, 2016 at 8:58 pm
Lol Eric!!……..
It is all good Big Hog. I know we will all be happy with all past coaching hires being basically a non-topic. We are all Brethren in Bucshood!! Let’s get excited for the three to five extra games we will win this Yr!
July 18th, 2016 at 9:00 pm
So Big Hog says:
So must it be done.
July 18th, 2016 at 10:23 pm
This is stupid. Seven different teams is not an good resume. It means he kept getting fired.
July 18th, 2016 at 10:34 pm
Revis, Foster and Barron didn’t fit scheme!! All very good football players!
July 18th, 2016 at 11:20 pm
Foster and Barron can barely be described as mediocre players right now.
July 18th, 2016 at 11:22 pm
It’s me Joes. Big Hog let go of the past and looks forward again. I shortened my name on purpose.
July 18th, 2016 at 11:33 pm
Anybody see the nfln 30 minute spot on the ’15 TB Buccaneers? I’m hyped up!
According to them the Bucs have a franchise qb, a young foundation led by Donavan Smith, Ali Marpet, Mike Evans, Doug Martin and Kwon Alexander. They’re anchored by All Pro (3x) vets like Gerald McCoy, LaVonte David, Brent Grimes and Vincent Jackson. Robert Ayers, Sweezy and Daryl Smith receive honorable mentions.
No mention of Spence, Aquayo, or Hargraves which I think are key clogs and top producers at their respective positions. Not to mention Jac Smith, H. Jones, McDonald, Tandy, Humphries, Brate, and Simms. That’s appears to be our core nucleus with Koetter and Smith at the helm.
I’m looking forward to it, I’m more concerned about the opponents strengths than any weaknesses on the Bucs. I must be drunk. Ahoy maties, camp starts in 7 days and I’m stoked.
July 19th, 2016 at 7:27 am
SSDD it’s funny SB/J just told BigHig to let go of the past but yet the Joes and a number of clowns up here won’t let go of it either. You take every opportunity to bash Lovie Smith even though he is the past it’s ridiculous. We have some of the most complaining fans in all of the NFL. Like a bunch of old women.
Was cutting Revis dumb? Yeah it was and he was better than what we had and what we got but he’s gone why keep dredging it up? Is Lovie a bad coach? One of the worst but let it go he’s gone . I’d love to see some of you guys mess up badly with your wife (or partner) then they just pester you constantly about it. Mike Johnson said it best about you all. When ever Joe the sheep herder speaks the mindless sheep baaaaaaaah!
July 19th, 2016 at 10:19 am
The thing I always remind people of about the moves made by the Bucs is that “we don’t know (and never will) what we don’t know.”
Maybe Revis was asking for too much money, especially when one is trying to rebuild a depleted roster. Or, perhaps the Bucs saw Revis as past his peak and on the downhill slide meaning he wouldn’t do us any good as the “team” peaked. Either way or some other way “we don’t know (and didn’t know) what we don’t know.” With that in mind, we realistically cannot pass judgment on the release of Revis.
That said, I agree with the notion that good coaches maximize the performance of the available talent rather than trying to fit square pegs into round holes. In the post Lovie Smith era, all the evidence does point to his doing just that, fitting square pegs into round holes, by favoring his scheme above the talents of the available players.
However and although the Bucs aren’t there defensively at least, coaches also shouldn’t try fitting square holes around round pegs. This can happen when a particular player doesn’t fit the scheme devised around the talents of the other ten guys. That means that once you have a relatively mature team, with an established scheme that was designed to fit the talents available there will be certain players, who become available on the free agent market, who just wouldn’t fit in. That leaves the GM and coaches with a decision involving whether they can tweak the system to fit this one, albeit highly talented, guy without disrupting everything else they’ve built.
July 19th, 2016 at 12:14 pm
I’m sorry, but I have to disagree with Nolan. As a former head coach, you would think he knew the truth of how things work.
GMs can take the choice out of a head coach’s hands, and often does. When it becomes about clearing cap space, the head coach no longer has a voice. He has to work with what the GM gives him.
Letting go of Revis was a smart move. So was letting go of our offensive line, though we did not realize it at the time. Revis was and still is way overpaid. $16 mill per year is what a quarterback gets, not a cornerback. And he only gets that much because bad teams pay it out of desperation.
People like to blame Lovie, but Jason Licht was responsible. Don’t try to tell me Lovie would not want one of the top CBs in the league playing for him. Regardless of all the denials, those moves were purely about money. By running those players out of town, Jason Licht put the team in friendly waters cap-wise. Given his inability to sign good free agents, he needed the win to look good and keep his job.