Updated Edge Rusher Rankings
April 9th, 2016
Mike Mayock reassesses.
As most intelligent Bucs fans know, the team needs an edge rush from a defensive end more than a hardcore Bucs tailgater needs a Porta-Potty in the middle of a pregame guzzling binge.
It has been so irresponsible for this team to be without a double-digit-sack rusher since Simeon Rice left. And it’s bordering on criminal how they have all but wasted the prime years of Gerald McCoy, and millions of Team Glazer loot, saying GMC needs help from an edge rush.
Then friggin’ get one!!!
As most regular readers know, Joe looks at the third-rated player in various position rankings for this year’s draft. The thinking is at No. 9 the Bucs could get the third-best edge rusher, assuming the first two are off the board.
In his reboot of position rankings after copious research and pro day visits, Mike Mayock of NFL Network has Shaq Lawson of Clemson as his third-rated edge rusher.
Joe understands Bucs fans reading that last sentence got cold shivers running up their spines at the thought of drafting another Clemson defensive end, since those guys have such a dominating NFL record (sarcasm alert). Joe is totally in the same boat.
Interestingly, Mayock has Eastern Kentucky defensive end Noah Spence as his fourth-rated edge rusher.
April 9th, 2016 at 11:04 am
Mayock’s Request for Me to Take Him Seriously has been- Denied.
April 9th, 2016 at 11:14 am
The trade down option seems more and more realistic each day. Where’s Charles Haley 2.0 when we need’em?
I’m convinced GMC would be an outstanding DE.
April 9th, 2016 at 11:16 am
I think Bosa is gonna drop
Meybe all the way to 9.
If so- problem solved
April 9th, 2016 at 11:27 am
If boss drops to 9- there’s gotta be a reason why- just don’t take him- I am for drafting DT Rankins- he seems destructive down the middle and with McCoy- should be fun- if not draft Stanley OL- solidify it! I don’t think any of these defensive ends will have the impact we think they will @9 and then we bash them because of it- remember people to keep your expectations on a de at home for now.
PS Myles jack would be ideal too
April 9th, 2016 at 11:30 am
If Bosa and Buckner are gone, we should take Ogbah. L
April 9th, 2016 at 11:46 am
3rd best DE or CB is not a better value, or even a better player, than the best DT,WR,RB, or the 2nd best tackle, that smells like reaching for need which is a path to disappointment, who honestly thinks Shaq Lawson or Vernon Hargreaves is going to have a better 10 year career than Zeke Elliott, Stanley, Rankins, or Doctson, get any of those players at 9 and the bucs are set for the next 10 years, Doctson gets no play as a 9 pick value, but he’s the most complete WR in this draft and gets a year to learn behind VJax,, trading down would be ideal but I’m comfortable taking him at 9, it’s not always about next year, you build for the future that’s why they got “bridge” DE,CB,DT,WR,RB when those guys decline or get too expensive, you have younger players with experience to take over
April 9th, 2016 at 11:59 am
“Bridge players” is the reason New England has been so successful the past 15 years, sign a bunch of these type players and see which ones stick then let your homegrown talent mature,eventually you have players leave as FAs and get rewarded multiple compensatory picks, but continue to sign those 2nd/3rd tier FAs, groom those picks into homegrown talent, instead of blowing your wad of cash on the quick fix big ticket FA that never seems to workout, get a guy who’s hungry to stay in the league but has enough proven ability to be a “bridge”
April 9th, 2016 at 12:00 pm
Guzzle just put this draft talk to bed…. Boom goes the dynamite!!!
April 9th, 2016 at 12:04 pm
Ogbah will end up being the best of the bunch
April 9th, 2016 at 12:09 pm
Regardless of Mayock’s ratings, Lawson is the guy I think we should take. Watch his game tape. What I like about Lawson is that he wraps everybody up, textbook fundamental tackling technique. I also like Calhoun from Michigan State in the 2nd or 3rd round. Bosa just seems like there are too many red flags there.
April 9th, 2016 at 12:35 pm
Crusty,
I agree. Ogbah is a beast. I would take him over Buckner and Bosa.
Kalind,
You took the words right out of my mouth
And Guzzie
All the guys you mentioned will have good or great careers. But, you never know with RBs. Zeke is nice but RBs are so hard to judge. Also, Doctson has some major question marks. He struggles against press coverage. He will face plenty of that in the NFL. Not so much at TCU. Another thing is he is not very good with his route running. Especially breaking back to the ball. I think VH3 will have a better career than both of those guys. He is just like Joe Haden. I mean come on. Stanley and Rankins are both beast. But so is VH3. I would have no problem with Stanley or VH3. I think Rankins is a reach a little at #9. There will be players on the board rated higher. I don’t ‘like reaching for picks at any position. It wouldn’t be the end of the world though, if Ranks was our pick. Last thing, I think Tyler Boyd is the best all around WR in this draft.
April 9th, 2016 at 12:42 pm
If Bosa falls to you thats a gift. No way I take Spence in the first round such a disappointing combine
1. Bosa
2, Buckner
3. Hargraves
4 Stanley
We should take one of these
April 9th, 2016 at 12:46 pm
@ DB55
McCoy has zero bend. His side to side agility is terrible. Maybe a 5-tech but certainly not an outside edge pass rusher.
I’ll say it right now, we won’t be an every year competitive team until GMC is gone. Good player, just has no bulldog in him.
April 9th, 2016 at 12:50 pm
Sign
Greg Hardy
Draft Either DT 2nd Round
1. Vernon Butler
2. Austin Johnson
LDE Robert Ayers | William Gholston
LDT Gerald McCoy | Clinton McDonald
RDT Vernon Butler | Akeem Spence
RDE Greg Hardy | Jacquies Smith | Howard Jones
Camp Meat
George Johnson
Kourtnei Brown
Davon Coleman
Derrick Lott
Cliff Matthews
Martin Ifedi
UDFA
Victor Ochi
Adam Gotsis
Ian Seau
April 9th, 2016 at 12:53 pm
What a crapshoot on DEs…….Let’s trade down if we can…..
April 9th, 2016 at 12:59 pm
No DE apart from Bosa is worth a 9th pick… I believe that there is a good chance either Goff or Wentz or Elliot will be there at 9… If so… Those are the kind of players people trade up for… We need to get out of that 9th pick!!! We are in a position to draft to draft a DE in the 2nd round and if he needs to sit a year or be a situational pass rusher this year we can afford that… Ogbah or Correa in 2nd would be ideal… Maybe even spence although less likely he’ll be there
April 9th, 2016 at 1:10 pm
I would take Rankins…then trade Glennon to move from 39 up to 20 and take Spence, Ogbah, Apple, Dodd, Lawson, or Nkemdiche. Have 2 guys the will play instead of Glennon ride the pine.
April 9th, 2016 at 1:15 pm
Trade Down (Pick up Additional 2nd Round Pick) – Draft Jack Conklin
LT Donovan Smith | Kevin Pamphile
LG J.R. Sweezy | Antoine Everett
C Joe Hawley | Evan Smith
RG Ali Marpet | Garrett Gilkey
RT Jack Conklin | Demar Dotson
* According to team website Gilkey is on the roster
Release /Trade – After Final Roster Cuts
Gosder Cherilus – $4,500,000
Age of Projected Starters
(22) – Donovan Smith
(27) – J.R. Sweezy
(27) – Joe Hawley
(22) – Ali Marpet
(21) – Jack Conklin
A young aggressive, mauling offensive line# Sign Me Up
April 9th, 2016 at 1:20 pm
K2
Is Rankins that much better than
1. Jarran Reed
2. Vernon Butler
3. Austin Johnson
???
April 9th, 2016 at 1:22 pm
You can help GMC from the inside as well as the outside, which is why I’m sure the pick will be one of these four: Bosa, Buckner, Rankins, Robinson. Don’t sleep on A’Shaun Robinson (DT from Alabama), as that guy has almost unlimited upside and is an absolute beast in the middle and is consistently graded as a top 15 player in this draft. He’s never mentioned in relation to the Bucs but he’s exactly the type of DT Mike Smith has shown a preference for over the years (when he can actually get his hands on one).
As for Bosa I’m underwhelmed with the idea of drafting him. He reminds me of Ryan Kerrigan, that DE/OLB from Purdue that the Redskins drafted a few years ago. A player with great technique and non-stop motor but who ended up being average in the NFL due to limited athleticism. I’m afraid Bosa may have a similar ceiling.
April 9th, 2016 at 1:23 pm
Is Emmanuel Ogbah that much better than
1. Shilique Calhoun
2. Carl Nassib
3. Jonathan Bullard
???
April 9th, 2016 at 1:25 pm
Mayock would have Spence rates much higher than 4th best if it wasn’t for off the field issues.
Isn’t this the same guy who said he was scared to draft Jameis Winston?
April 9th, 2016 at 1:26 pm
No way are Lawson or Spence worthy of the #9 overall pick. Beyond Bosa and Buckner who will almost certainly be off the board when the Bucs pick – all other DEs in this draft would be a serious reach at #9.
Trading down would be the way to go but as always it seems unlikely.
Stanley represents the best value and should be the pick if he is there and Bosa Buckner are gone. Rankins could receive serious consideration as well and possibly VH3 although I believe Hargreaves is a definite reach at #9.
I agree the Bucs need to draft a DE – but none will represent any type of value at #9 and there will be plenty of opportunity to get a good DE in round 2. There is very little difference between the entire pack of DEs grade wise after Bosa and Buckner. A DE picked at #39 this year could easily be as good as one picked at #15 or 20 if the Bucs do their homework and pick the right guy. What I DONT want to see is the Bucs reaching for a DE at #9 when none are worthy of that high a pick.
April 9th, 2016 at 1:28 pm
A trade the bucs should explore is trading down in the 2nd with the pats we give them 39 we get both their 2nds they have 11 picks so it’s 39 for 59 and 60 and a 5th leaves them with 9 we get 3 top 60 players, trade glennon and 9 for Rams 15 and 43rd, we have 15 43 59 and 60 that’s 4 in 2 rounds plus still have a 3rd 4th 2 5ths and 2 6ths, 10 picks 4 top 60 Jason can do some serious damage to all our needs
April 9th, 2016 at 1:29 pm
Pickgrin
Well said brotha
April 9th, 2016 at 1:31 pm
I read but haven’t posted in ages. Ever since someone used my name and acted like a moron. Many may feel the same with this comment however. I feel Noah Spence is undoubtedly the most talented edge rusher in this draft. I would love to have him. That said I don’t know if his past makes him the right pick.
If they do their due diligence though and feel he is safe to pick at 9 then I am for it. Otherwise if they can find a suitor to trade down some, pick up a 2nd rounder and still get him but with less risk I am for that as well.
My dream is to have Mo Wilkerson with a Glennon and some form of picks trade, grab Noah, and get a corner of the likes of Alexander. Not saying it will ever happen but I can dream. It is fun to envision such things regardless of how ridiculous it may seem.
April 9th, 2016 at 1:31 pm
Maybe not the 5th extra 2nd is enough
April 9th, 2016 at 1:33 pm
Trading down for the Bucs never works out. Rule that out.
Truthfully…I’m at a point where I’m tired of having smoke blown up my rear quarters. I’m tired of nothing but hype. I’ll never turn away from my Bucs (unless they leave town), but I am finding more and more difficult to get into the off season hype stories, the pre-draft stories and all that.
I am seriously at a point where it’s “if you can show me on the field? Don’t tell me about it unless its news”.
April 9th, 2016 at 1:34 pm
I need to learn to subtract 11-3=9 lol
April 9th, 2016 at 1:34 pm
@Bucco Bruce
Noah Spence is the only player in this draft that I have mentioned wanting…so I’m 100 percent behind you on that one.
April 9th, 2016 at 1:35 pm
We could name him “Spectacular Spence”!
April 9th, 2016 at 1:37 pm
I’d take Lawson over Bosa all day.
Hell is take Lawson then a WR then in round 3 (if 2 picks with Glennon trade)
DE ( Nassib maybe?) and DB
April 9th, 2016 at 1:37 pm
@Bucco Bruce
As to Mo Wilkerson…I just don’t feel he is consistent enough. He had two good years, split by a so-so year. The rest were so-so.
He’s stayed healthy though…that is a plus. I think he is worth trading Glennon for…but nothing more than that.
April 9th, 2016 at 1:37 pm
Buccaneerbonzai some of us have no lives and these frivolous pre draft stories are the only way we make it through each day….said nobody ever….damn I hate the offseason lol
April 9th, 2016 at 1:39 pm
Also feel some may need to actually watch film tape and not rely so heavily on combine and highlight film. Seriously would be disappointed to get Bosa. Kid is incredible at run defense but lacks at pass rushing. On top of that I am of the mindset he has reached his skill ceiling already. At least Spence, and Lawson have incredible rush moves and instincts and well as always pop right off the snap. Ogbah to a much lesser extent does but is very inconsistent, dude is a monster with power and size though. Possibly extremely great with some coaching since I almost only ever see him bullrush.
April 9th, 2016 at 1:41 pm
Pickgrin Says
“No way are Lawson or Spence worthy of the #9 overall pick.”
True value of a pick isn’t determined for 2-3 years. If in three years, Spence is considered the best pick of this draft…then he will have been worth the FIRST pick.
It is for that reason I don’t subscribe to the “don’t reach” theory. If you are convinced players will be good, you take them when you KNOW you can get them. If a player is going to be good enough to be a late first rounder…then he is worth an early to mid first rounder.
Because, looking back even a year later…if he ends up being great…it won’t matter where he was picked at.
April 9th, 2016 at 1:42 pm
@Bonzai yeah he may be less consistent but imagine him with Gmac and Spence. Guess you could argue to look at anyone with those 2 though.
On another note I am burned out on game tape and hype this offseason as well. I wish the draft were tonight and the pre season a month out. The sheer spit to a wall that a lot throw out has been eating me up.
Ready to see results on the field we can agree.
April 9th, 2016 at 1:46 pm
BUCCO BRUCE
Exactly.
BOSA is a run guy with average pass rush.
I just don’t get the hype.
Would not be surprised if he falls and Buckner, Ogbah, Lawson, and Spence go before him.
I’m all for a speedy WR in Rd 2, but…..
If spence or Dodd fall to that position, I’d go back to back DE then hopefully they have two in the third and get a DB And WR
April 9th, 2016 at 1:48 pm
As far as Spence is concerned none of us know if he has cleaned up and will be safe or risk moving forward. As far as talent though it’s hard to read people thinking he is late first early second “talent”. If he didn’t have the baggage he would be in the talks of top 10 easily.
April 9th, 2016 at 1:50 pm
Per: BuccaneerBonzai
Not true brotha – Best Draft In Team History was because of a Trade Down
1995 Draft
*Original Draft Selection # 7 (Trade Down to # 12 Philly)
Details
• Traded 1995 first round pick (#12-Warren Sapp), two 1995 second round picks (#43-Melvin Johnson) (#63-Shane Hannah) to Buccaneers for 1995 first round pick (#7-Mike Mamula), 1995 third round pick (#72-Greg Jefferson) on 1995-04-22
Then we used two 2nd round picks to move back into the 1st round to draft Derrick Brooks at #28</strong
Details
• Traded two 1995 second round picks (#41-Ronald Davis) (#63-Shane Hannah) to Cowboys for 1995 first round pick (#28-Derrick Brooks) on 1995-04-22
April 9th, 2016 at 1:51 pm
At least the options at DE all seem to fill a need. I hope to quit hearing or seeing anymore garbage about drafting a corner at 9. If that happens it will be the one thing to ever turn me sour this year. Yes that includes a certain over hyped safety.
April 9th, 2016 at 1:54 pm
@Luv I was kinda feeling the same way about the trade down and grab Spence thing. Looking like geniuses as they did so many years ago with Sapp. Hey a man can dream. Unlikely we pull a fast one and grab amazing dline talent like that twice in a franchise huh?
April 9th, 2016 at 2:01 pm
This is why I don’t listen to the MEDIA about trading down – out of the top 10.
Why? Because I can literally prove throughout NFL history – trade downs have helped franchised become perennial contenders.
April 9th, 2016 at 2:03 pm
@LUVMYBUCS
Sorry, I was thinking in this century 😉
April 9th, 2016 at 2:03 pm
Bucco Bruce
Its a rare opportunity brotha. All we have to do – is take advantage of it.
April 9th, 2016 at 2:04 pm
I am the real buco bruce.lol,let’s not hate great minds think a like.Tampaaaaaa.can i get a bay.love to all my buc fans.AND JOE!whenever me into a my closest friends talk about buccaneers stuff any thing a nyone says about players nrws ect,everything they say is irrelevant if they haven’t read up on your website Gooo Joooooe
April 9th, 2016 at 2:05 pm
Troll alert…
April 9th, 2016 at 2:05 pm
U mean decade? :S
April 9th, 2016 at 2:06 pm
Ahh damn.
April 9th, 2016 at 2:07 pm
Ryan Kerrigan had 49 sacks in 5 years. He had 13.5 in”14 and 9.5 last season if that’s adj in the NFL then sign me up for Bosa.
April 9th, 2016 at 2:10 pm
Buco I thought the exact same thing about Spence our next Warren Sapp I truly believe it I would even reach for him at 9 over all other defensive ends except for my man Bosa
April 9th, 2016 at 2:19 pm
In Joe’s braindead draft plan, you just blindly pick the highest rated player at your position of need, in order of need, without regard to value. Nevermind that the value difference between the 3rd rated DE and the 2nd rated OT is wide. Nevermind that you could grab a DE of almost equal value in round 2. No let’s not try to upgrade the talent level across the board, let’s just get tunnel vision for a position and ignore better players. Phukkin moronic.
April 9th, 2016 at 2:20 pm
It seems the MDMA was more of a Ohio St U problem than a Spence one. I think there will be a article come out just before the draft detailing with this issue implementing Bosa and Elliot. It won’t be any real news and most likely planted by teams wanting them to drop. If this happens it could work in the Bucs favor. Personally, I rather pick a player who owns up to a problem and did something about it than a player who denies it ever happened, allegedly speaking.
April 9th, 2016 at 2:25 pm
Salish_seamonster-
Great points per usual, it seems the nuance of the draft is just ignored for numeric simplicity all too often.
April 9th, 2016 at 2:27 pm
salish_seamonster
Stanglassman
Good Analysis
April 9th, 2016 at 2:33 pm
Shaq is a 10 sack guy
I keep hearing all the negatives
Dude is better then Bosa
And has more heart plus is a better person
April 9th, 2016 at 3:09 pm
Lawson looks great on tape and looked better at the combine. He had 26.5 tackles for loss in 2015 12.5 sacks. What happened to third time is the charm? In all seriousness lawson has counter pass rush moves that i have not seen from ogbah bosa or buckner. He fights with his hands as he is rushing the passer, he pinches run lanes on run plays. In the tape that i’ve watched i’ve seen lawson create his own pressure over and over again. He has size power and speed. Lawson to me is the best de in this draft its crazy u guys are gonna let the past blind u.
April 9th, 2016 at 3:17 pm
Don’t see the trade down like I want to happen. Its not happening. And as many here suggest, the top 2 DE’s will be off the board at #9. I think the only true Beast left is DT Rankins. We should take him. He’ll be good for yrs to come. I do like Guzzie’s proposal with the Pats and Rams trade, Truly a great idea. Don’t think it will happen though.
Guys, I’m just sick of all of this coulda/woulda/shoulda. I’m just praying our offense stays pat and our Defense improves immensely. If this happens, we will win lotsa games.
April 9th, 2016 at 3:45 pm
BuccaneerBonzai Says:
“If you are convinced players will be good, you take them when you KNOW you can get them….if he ends up being great…it won’t matter where he was picked at.”
I agree with you Bonzai on this point and those words are not likely to come out of my mouth very often considering all of the things I see you post that make me SMH.
Here’s the thing. None of us have any idea what the Bucs big board looks like. Nor any other team’s board. All we as fans can do pre-draft, is go by what the majority of analysts who do this stuff for a living say – combined with the time we spend watching tape of certain players ourselves to form conclusions about how they will project to the next level.
In some cases – we as fans have a bit more insight into certain players than even some “experts” because we are hardcore fans of a certain College and watch all that teams games and follow the happenings of the team closely. Such was the case last year when the contingent of solid Jameis Winston supporters – myself included – just knew with great confidence that Jaboo was going to be a stud NFL QB and also knew that all the talk of “character concerns” were absolute BS as was the most serious allegation against him.
The few handfuls of us here on JBS that were all in on Winston found ourselves trying to explain and correct and provide examples of why all the Jameis haters were wrong (You were not a Jameis “hater” Bonzai although you didn’t want to draft him) . It got really tiring after awhile because the ignorance and outright slander and trolling regarding Winston was just out of control. To your credit Bonzai – you were neither a troll nor a slanderer in this regard – but you were dead wrong when it came to your “analysis” of all of Winston’s weaknesses that you felt were real concerns – because none of them were as serious as you portrayed and a # were not even legit “weaknesses”.
I digress from the nightmare remembrance of what it was like on these comment section this time last year.
I trust Licht and Co to find us a good player with that #9 pick. Like I said – we have no idea what the Bucs board looks like. They might just have one of these DEs not named Bosa or Buckner squarely in the top 10 on their board. I will trust their judgement and not freak out if they buck the consensus assessments and a Spence or a Lawson or even an Ogbah is the Bucs pick at #9.
That said – its hard to believe their board is going to be that dramatically different than what has become a fairly consistent general consensus about who the top 6 or 7 (non QB or RB) players in this draft are.
“I don’t subscribe to the “don’t reach” theory… If a player is going to be good enough to be a late first rounder…then he is worth an early to mid first rounder.”
Now with this statement, you are WAY off base Bonzai. There is such a thing as a Draft value chart (Google it if need be) and most teams go by this fairly closely when assessing the “value” of a pick. The difference between pick #9 and #25 for instance is huge value wise. 630 points to be exact – the equivalent of a late 1st round pick. So yea – you don’t reach. Every team has their own board – but you DON’t reach within the parameters of your board.
For example – the Bucs may well like Ogbah and have him rated higher than many teams at say – the 20th best player overall in this draft. He fits a need and if you believe he will be a good NFL player, then why not just pick him at #9? (according to your thinking). Because if you pick the #20 player on your own board at #9 – then you just threw the equivalent value of a high 2nd round pick in the trash can – that’s why. It’s much better to move up and get a player like that at the end of the 1st round if he was #20 on your board and he drops that far than to pick him at #9 and lose all that value. maybe you don’t understand this or agree with it – but it is accepted reality.
April 9th, 2016 at 3:49 pm
Shaq Lawson has a stud DE name to, who doesn’t want their defensive end named SHAQ lol…he has that one hit wonder label, but has all the athletic traits and proper demeanor from what’s been written about him, plus our ace in the hole is coach Hayes, anyone who can get GHOST Johnson to produce has my vote of confidence, as little as that is, as far my earlier trade scenarios, what part of trading the 9 and Glennon for 15 and 43 or a 3rd, or trading 39 for 59 and 60 to the Pats (Lichts old organization), especially the Pats having 11 picks giving up one to move up 20 spots, the Rams kill 2 birds with one stone experienced QB Glennon plus opportunity to draft Paxton Lynch or any other player the covet, Bucs move back 6 spots and get an extra 2nd or 3rd, most of the players the Bucs have been talked about getting are considered 10-25 types anyways
April 9th, 2016 at 3:53 pm
Oh yeah the Rams and Pats need to agree to make those deals happen
April 9th, 2016 at 4:08 pm
funny how Spence’s combine is commonly referred to as disappointing. Anyone care that he was the most explosive defensive end in the draft? Only d-lineman in front were Rankins and Nkemdechie. No player in this draft is elite from an explosive standpoint but…. We may draft Ogbah but I pray we don’t spend a 9 on him. I know what his 40 time is and his size and it is sexy. His highlights are wonderful, but the full tape isn’t there. He might be awesome under Hayes, and that is what I’m counting on, whoever Hayes gives his thumbs up to, I’m all for. Hopefully, one of the first two picks are a DE and Hayes works his magic. Thats where I am.
April 9th, 2016 at 4:46 pm
@tnew Exactly on point with Ogbah. He is a beast with size and highlights are just that. In the actual game tape though he is inconsistent and only shows one rush move. On top of that his game speed is fairly slow and he lacks fundamental awareness. That said mid to late first I would take a chance but nowhere near 9.
I guess now however I have become a campaign guy for Spence but have that * if they feel comfortable portion added.
April 9th, 2016 at 4:49 pm
It seems a lot of us agree that both Spence and Lawson from tape anyway appear to be a much better fit as an edge rusher than the likes of Bosa or Ogbah. At least that’s what I am seeing. Could just have my “rose color glasses” on though.
April 9th, 2016 at 5:08 pm
Bosa gives off a ME persona and Ogbah looks like he takes half the plays off, spence and Lawson look like they are only worried bout going to work and business is good
April 9th, 2016 at 5:12 pm
64 post and I don’t believe I saw Leonard Floyd mentioned once. He is Mayocks #2 pass rusher and both Walter’s and Charlie Campbell have picked him at 9 for the last few weeks. He was used as a OLB at Georgia, good speed. 6’6 with room to grow. I’m no expert but keep an eye on this kid.
April 9th, 2016 at 5:20 pm
RE: the pre-draft hype, smoke & mirrors-
It could be worse.
Think about the Winston vs. Mariota hype from a year ago…
April 9th, 2016 at 5:40 pm
67 post and not a mention what the Bucs should do if Miles Jack slips to 9. It would have been nice to have a player like that to plug in when Kwon was suspended the last 4 games. Too much talent to pass up IMO.
April 9th, 2016 at 5:42 pm
Myles Jack will be long gone I’m afraid, Glass, he’s my absolute favorite player in the draft.
April 9th, 2016 at 5:48 pm
Actually leonard floyd played mlb and situational pass rusher. He disappears as a mlb in the run game. I like floyd too but i think his ONLY move is speed and bend. If he gets stuffed floyd is outta the play. I dont see him extend his arms and shed a block. I like him but his disappearance against the run is an issue. Ogbah vs fus 2014 i believe NOLE ON SAT brought this game up. I watched it and man i was impressed. He fired off the ball and was disruptive ALL GAME. tackles for loss and sacks. Tackles for short gains. Ogbah looks like an awesome player when he WANTS to play. What was the issue last year was he hurt or out of shape? Uninspired to play?
April 9th, 2016 at 5:50 pm
Shaq is a 10 sack guy
I keep hearing all the negatives
Dude is better then Bosa
And has more heart plus is a better person
My thoughts exactly. Even if he might be rated as a mid round of even late round pick, if he ends up being the DE we need then Lawson is worth the pick at 9.
April 9th, 2016 at 5:51 pm
Myles jack looks like a beast. A 4-3 olb, pass rusher on 3rd downs, safety/nickel corner definitely a steal at 9 doubt he will be there
April 9th, 2016 at 5:52 pm
**Ogbah vs fsu 2014**
April 9th, 2016 at 6:05 pm
I don’t think M.Jack will get past Jax but you never know. Nobody thought Sapp would fall to us either. Different reasons I know but just thinking about some what ifs. I like the line up in the back with Daryl Smith, Kwon, David and Jack at SS playing the Kam Chancellor role.
In this scenario S. Lawson, Spence or Nkemdiche fall to us in the 2nd too!
April 9th, 2016 at 6:35 pm
Kj dillon from west virginia at safety looks great. He is 6’0 210 and ran a 4.53 40. He played a lot of man to man pass coverage while karl joseph played over the top. I want to say he is like earl thomas with above average coverage ability. He hits hard and wraps up in solo situations i would take him in the 3rd. Lawson boyd dillon or doctson ogbah dillon. Vjax could give docston a year to bulk up which i think is his only issue. I gotta look at sterling shepard again i read some really positive stuff yesterday..
April 9th, 2016 at 6:55 pm
Nobody on this site is talking about the fact that the #2 edge rusher now on Mayock’s list is Leonard “the freak” Floyd. Football Outsiders also had an article on a statistical analysis of edge prospects, known as SackSEER and Floyd had the most top level potential of all DE. Floyds combination of height, length, quickness, speed and burst with his ability on the edge are skills that translate really well to the NFL. He returned to college last year so he could learn how to be better against the run and in coverage. His ability to add (some) weight and most of all get stronger, will be critical to his success and who better to show him the way than Lavonte David, Daryl Smith and Kwon Alexander. If we could draft Floyd in the first then either DT Chris Jones Mississippi State. Physical player with elite size and strength. Vernon Butler, Austin Johnson or Javon Hargrave in the second round followed up with a WR and a Safety and we will be heading in the right direction.
April 9th, 2016 at 7:00 pm
If bosa drops it’s because he did not do a good enough job of convincing teams his drug issues are over. For a top 10 pick, he needs to persuade teams he will have no issues. After the top 10, for a guy of his talent he is worth the risk. Considering the bucs dire need for a elite DE, i could see us gambling on Bosa if he did drop even with his past trangressions.
April 9th, 2016 at 8:44 pm
Floyd will be an outside linebacker. Not a DE. Now he is a great lb / edge rush 3-4 outside backer but lacks size to be a d lineman. That said he has been on my list of players I wouldn’t be upset or surprised to see picked. He isn’t terrible at dropping back in coverage either. I don’t recall ever seeing him rush from the outside from any stance other than standing. On the Jack note he will be gone before 9. I 100% stand by that. I doubt Floyd drops below 15 either.
April 9th, 2016 at 9:52 pm
I’m glad you watched Delson,now you know what I’m talking about when it comes to Ogbah. He will be best DE to come out this draft.
April 9th, 2016 at 10:13 pm
Spence!!!!!!
Please draft Noah Spence
He could have gone to the draft last year but instead he transferred to prove to teams he’s putting the OSU thing behind him. Also if you follow him on twitter you see he’s making changes in his life and just wants an opportunity.
He’d be top 5 if it wasn’t for off the field.
Getting him at #9 would be a gift.
If you watch him play, that get off is undeniable
April 9th, 2016 at 11:02 pm
We have 2 good dt’s in their prime taking a dt at 9 is crazy. You take the best player at your needs; de cb s wr. If your a coach your playing for now not the future.
April 9th, 2016 at 11:20 pm
Yes! Some here are also not handcuffed to our past two DE busts out of Clemson. Big difference here is Shaq and Dodd did go to the national title game. Bowers I think never fully recovered from his knee injury, and that was the gamble we were taking, so it failed. Do you stop taking a gamble at anything in life because of a few fails? Well I dont, and some of us dont. You learn, recoup and try again. If we do go DE with our 1st pick Im hoping its Ogbah, Shaq, or Dodd. I think Spence will drop to the 2nd. If so, I’d take him then. I’d also gamble on Nkimdiche if he’s there in the 2nd. While I want WR 1st, I’ll gladly wait a little, Pharoe Cooper in the 3rd or 4th.
April 10th, 2016 at 12:06 am
Bosa or Spence fall.
The Bucs draft either one.
I’ll have an orgasm.
April 10th, 2016 at 12:07 am
Bosa or Buckner*
ha ha ha ha nice try tequila
April 10th, 2016 at 12:13 am
Buccaneer Bosa!
April 10th, 2016 at 12:32 am
Forget Ogbah! Read this from SBN http://www.sbnation.com/2016/4/4/11280816/2016-nfl-draft-emmanuel-ogbah-breakdown-oklahoma-state-pass-rusher this :
April 10th, 2016 at 2:10 am
Madmax- No Riskic No biscuit.
Bucco- Nobody is saying it is likely Jack will fall to 9, we are just speculating if he did. Just like we have for Bosa Etc.. Not sure why you think Floyd isn’t versatile enough to play DE in the NFL. It seems like the NFL GMs and local sports writers think he can.
“Floyd is exactly what the NFL is looking for in an OLB in a “34.” But I wholeheartedly believe he has the type of scheme versatility that could see him man the edge as a 6- or 7-technique in an even-front alignment.”
If I had to bet our pick right now I’d guess it would be Floyd as LDE.
April 10th, 2016 at 2:11 am
Lol 87, I hear ya….just buds for me tonight, have to work tomorrow night. If Bosa does fall, I’d still take him, but my post above is assuming he’s gone.
April 10th, 2016 at 2:11 am
@Pickgrin
I wasn’t wrong about Winston’s weaknesses being concerns. I said if we took him, they would have to be addressed. They were.
The ONLY things I was wrong about were his leadership ability (which I questioned because of his bowl game behavior) and his projected rookie interceptions.
Koetter did a great game of putting Winston in a position to minimize the chances he took, and Martin’s contract year helped a lot.
But I appreciate all the other cool things you said 🙂
OFF TOPIC…
…I am high as a kite.
No…not on dope.
I just tonight finished writing another novel and sent it off to the editor, after releasing my last one a week ago. Fastest novel I ever wrote this time! Woot!
April 10th, 2016 at 2:12 am
the real Bucobruce Says
“Buccaneer Bosa!”
Almost sold me that time 😉
April 10th, 2016 at 3:32 am
Lawson
Spence
Ogbah
Buckner
Dodd
I’d take any of them over Bosa.
Watch Bosa people— he plays the run great but otherwise gets msnhandled St times and is not a great pass rusher.
They all have weaknesses but Lawson seems to be the most complete to me and he goes all out. Same with Dodd, he’s just not as experienced
April 10th, 2016 at 10:21 am
Again, if Stanley is there at 9…run the table on OFFENSE again. Take WR in 2.
April 10th, 2016 at 10:58 am
Again Bill Polian stated in as many words Bosa and Spence will suck in the NFL.