The Biggest Reason To Dump Mike Glennon
March 17th, 2016
Careful, you’ll need at least a quality eighth-grade education to understand the following breakdown.
Nothing in the NFL is more overrated than winning meaningless games. Victories in those games destroy draft position.
And considering the massive bounty teams pay to move up even one spot in the first-round of the NFL Draft, losing meaningless games is pretty darn valuable.
Yeah, paying fans don’t want to hear it, but that’s the cold reality.
That brings Joe to Mike Glennon, who is in the final year of his rookie contract and is certain to leave Tampa seeking a starting-QB opportunity.
For nearly a year, Joe has screamed for the Bucs to trade Glennon and recover a draft pick. One easily understood reason is that the Bucs are not a Super Bowl team and, therefore, Glennon’s presence is useless. Without Jameis Winston playing, the Bucs are doomed to a rough season, a season that wouldn’t bring a trophy anyway. So what’s the point of keeping Glennon until he walks out the door?
But the bigger reason to dump Glennon is because the Bucs shouldn’t want a quality backup winning a meaningless game for them. Glennon is the kind of guy who could do just that.
The Bucs are more in need of a miserable backup who can secure their best draft position (See 2014 and the Chase for Jameis).
It’s preposterous to want to keep Glennon (in 2016) because he’s a great backup. It’s a self-mutilation plan.
Consider what Eagles general manager Howie Roseman said this week. He explained that Philadelphia traded with Miami to move up to the No. 8 pick of the first round this year because the draft-worthy talent seriously falls off after the No. 10 pick.
Joe reached out to three key sources on this, and everyone of them agreed with Roseman, who has a reputation of being a kook.
This just illustrates why the Bucs need to ditch Glennon in a hurry. The Bucs don’t need a Grade A backup this year potentially screwing up their 2017 draft before he leaves.
Potential better draft position, through the entire draft, is much more valuable than the pick a Glennon trade would return. And they can have both!
Of course, none of this makes sense to fans who believe the Bucs are a Super Bowl contender this season. For those folks, Joe wishes you all another great day of sunshine, lollipops, rainbows and ice cream.
Joe believes the Bucs will improve and can find themselves in a Wild Card hunt in Week 16 or 17, but anything beyond that is pure fantasy.
March 17th, 2016 at 11:06 am
Lets say Winston gets hurt and goes down for say…4-6 games. Glennon can step in and perform good enough that you’d think you’d at least have a chance for those games and your season wouldn’t be over. Do you give that away in order to get some 5th round lottery ticket? You keep Glennon if you’re not getting value from trading him, and everything says the Bucs won’t get value. Not every injury is a season ender and while Glennon isn’t a superstar he’s OK -and a very good backup.
March 17th, 2016 at 11:07 am
@joe
and what about the scenario that the Bucs are in a wildcard playoff hunt and week 15 Jameis hurts his throwing hand, What if you need that one win to give the team a playoff experience!!!!
This is just like your “Franchise the Hamster” idea. It only makes since if everything is a disaster!!!!
March 17th, 2016 at 11:09 am
According to this theory we should go head and trade Glennon for anything then go head and try to lose every game since we’re not a Super Bowl team. Great Logic.
March 17th, 2016 at 11:09 am
Of course, none of this makes sense to fans who believe the Bucs are a Super Bowl contender this season. For those folks, Joe wishes you all another great day of sunshine, lollipops, rainbows and ice cream.
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LMAO’d at this. But seriously, I agree, Glennon is a luxury the Bucs can’t afford right now. Cleveland is beyond stupid if they don’t accept Glennon in some sort of trade for that #2 pick.
March 17th, 2016 at 11:10 am
Couch Fan Says:
March 17th, 2016 at 11:09 am
According to this theory we should go head and trade Glennon for anything then go head and try to lose every game since we’re not a Super Bowl team. Great Logic.
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you may want to try reading the post again. A little slower this time. Your interpretation way off.
March 17th, 2016 at 11:10 am
Here is the crucial question; what offers if any have been made by other teams to Jason Licht in return for Mike Glennon? Sure, we’ve all heard rumors, but some of these rumors are direct contradictions – Matt Miller, for example.
If a team is offering a second round pick, the Bucs have to make the move. If the offer is for a third round pick, it needs to be strongly considered. Anything beyond that and I would recommend just keeping Glennon for insurance.
So, what exactly is being offered to the Bucs?
March 17th, 2016 at 11:12 am
I agree with Joe(s) on this one….with the the over/under of 3rd round pick in return. There are “fish” stories out there claiming Bucs have turned down 2nd rounders…if so…get that team back on the horn and close the deal.
March 17th, 2016 at 11:14 am
The Buc Realist Says:
March 17th, 2016 at 11:07 am
@joe
and what about the scenario that the Bucs are in a wildcard playoff hunt and week 15 Jameis hurts his throwing hand, What if you need that one win to give the team a playoff experience!!!!
This is just like your “Franchise the Hamster” idea. It only makes since if everything is a disaster!!!!
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last I checked, the NFL games are played in the real world, not an “if, then” fantasy world.
You try to make your team better in real time. Trading Glennon and getting more picks or increasing our draft position is a real time benefit the Bucs could get here. It will actually make the team better, and would fill a roster spot with someone who everyone knows won’t be holding a clipboard on the bench.
March 17th, 2016 at 11:16 am
you may want to try reading the post again. A little slower this time. Your interpretation way off.
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How is it way off?… We are not a Super Bowl team so in theory every win is meaningless and hurts us. Therefore we should not hurt outselves by winning. Maybe you should re-read this article a little slower… Here let me help you.
Joe says: “But the bigger reason to dump Glennon is because the Bucs shouldn’t want a quality backup winning a meaningless game for them. Glennon is the kind of guy who could do just that.”
We dont want meaningless wins for this non super bowl team right? So therefore we should try to lose all our games. Or do we just hate Glennon so much we dont want him winning us any games?
March 17th, 2016 at 11:20 am
The only way I’d give up Glennon is if we got to move up a few notches in the draft, Plus 2nd rounder and another mid rounder. And that’s not happening. At some point, due to Jameis’s hard play, he will go down with injury .And Glennon is more than serviceable.
March 17th, 2016 at 11:20 am
Let’s not have the attitude of purposely tanking games if we’re not a playoff contender, that starts a losing mindset that were actively trying to change. It was necessary in the chase for Jameis because we only won 2 games and our future was right in front of us. Other than that, NFL teams play to win games.
March 17th, 2016 at 11:22 am
Whether it’s Glennon or Matt Cassel at Quarterback, Dirk Koetter wants to win.
March 17th, 2016 at 11:23 am
Point to Couch – I read it the same way he does.
March 17th, 2016 at 11:24 am
Couch Fan……you are on the money. Joe’s logic has been and will always be way off, lol
If we are a playoff contender, and Winston goes down, you want a capable backup to get you in the playoffs and maybe win “that” wild card game. So Glennon would be of great value in that scenario. However, IF the Bucs are NOW being offered a late 1st round pick or a 2nd, Licht is definitely going to consider it.
March 17th, 2016 at 11:26 am
Yeah the same Gm that is paying his back up 7 mil a year lol
March 17th, 2016 at 11:27 am
this article highlights why the Joe’s are Buc fans with a blog and not journalists. You keep Glennon until a team gives you an offer you cant refuse. If he stays until the end of his contract, we get a comp pick and Glennon served his purpose as a high end back up QB. In either scenario he was worth the 3rd round pick that was invested.
Purposely tanking games because you lost your starting QB is a losers mentality and something a true journalist would never openly root for.
Sir, you might want to define journalist. You apparently fall into the category of people who think opinion is not journalism. However, opinion has long been the most-read content in newspapers, dating back more than a century. That’s why they market columnists and have (or used to have) opinion sections. Regarding the comp pick, predicting them is ludicrous, it’s a very complex process and there’s no guarantee. Work on your reading skills, nobody suggested tanking games. Joe said having a quality backup is counterproductive this season. –Joe
March 17th, 2016 at 11:27 am
Tbbucs – Right, we already tanked games on purpose to get our QB, we got him now lets not do that again. Fans need a reason to plunk down $100+ a game, they need to think we have a chance to win unless we want them to lose (the only Bucs game I ever rooted against them in was the one vs NO with Winston on the line). Again if say Winston just gets turf toe like Vinny and is out for a week or two, you need a backup – and is getting some throw away low draft pick worth not having him around? No. Just keep Glennon – there is value in that – assuming you’re not getting a 2nd rounder or better, and I’m almost certain the Bucs will not get that.
March 17th, 2016 at 11:30 am
Though I agree they should try to get something 3rd or better for Glennon, this article is one of the dumbest I’ve ever read here.
March 17th, 2016 at 11:38 am
I agree with the guys above who say the article leans to losing them all. If your only goal is to win the Super Bowl and everything else is failure then coming in last gets you the best player next year; no sense playing hard and getting the #9 pick. As for Glennon, since we get a low 3 (really, a high 4) for him next year anyway no need to dump him for anything worse then a 2, but I say if you can get a 2 or more move him and sign a vet to hold the clipboard.
Mind-boggling that so many of you are so sure the Bucs are in line for a compensatory draft pick with Glennon walking out the door. –Joe
March 17th, 2016 at 11:40 am
Sounds like your mind is working overtime to finagle a way to ditch Glennon off the Bucs.
March 17th, 2016 at 11:42 am
maybe, The Bucs should trade McCoy for a pile of draft picks!!! Since the Bucs are not a superbowl team this year!!!!
year 3 and counting for Joe trying to run MG8 out of town!!!!
March 17th, 2016 at 11:43 am
Sir, you might want to define journalist. You apparently fall into the category of people who think opinion is not journalism. However, opinion has long been the most-read content in newspapers, dating back more than a century. That’s why they market columnists and have (or used to have) opinion sections. Regarding the comp pick, predicting them is ludicrous, it’s a very complex process and there’s no guarantee. Work on your reading skills, nobody suggested tanking games. Joe said having a quality backup is counterproductive this season. –Joe
Who ever said the Joe’s don’t have a little spunk? Get’em Joe’s!!
March 17th, 2016 at 11:49 am
Seriously Joe(s). You need to understand that you don’t have any idea how the Bucs will do next year. People much, much smarter than you view us as a playoff team and every team in the playoff is a Super Bowl contender. And by your retarded logic, every team but the Broncos wasted a season and should have kept an Alex Tanney type as a backup. Your dumb, dumb theory is equivalent to saying nothing in life matters because we all die someday. Stay in your lane Joe(s). Tell me what other people are saying, I’m growing ever so tired of your opinions.
Dude, get real. Joe didn’t write anything like that. Joe’s not going to pretend the Bucs are a Super Bowl team this season. Not now. Dump Glennon and put the bird in hand, and don’t set yourself up to win meaningless games for one year in the name of nothing. Take the pick. Get someone else to keep Jameis’ seat warm.–Joe
March 17th, 2016 at 11:50 am
If they get an offer for a 2nd on Glennon then by all means take it. Otherwise keep the baby giraffe, let him roam the sidelines for one more year and take the 3rd round compensatory pick when teams line up to pay him 10 million a year because of the desperation of the position (see: Brock Osweiler) and the “potential” that comes with being a 26 year old with 29 TD’s to 16 INT’s in the NFL.
March 17th, 2016 at 11:50 am
SCBucsFan – While I disagree with Joe on this the Bucs almost certainly won’t get anything at all when Glennon leaves as you get picks based on who you sign in addition to who you lose. Since the Bucs will have the 2nd most cap space again next offseason you’d figure they’d be signing people again, so they’d most likely lose any comp pick they might receive. The pick I believe will be based on the salary Glennon gets, so yeah I think the Bucs would get a 3rd rounder most likely since I think Glenn will get some surprisingly large money in FA.
I’m ballparking my facts here so feel free to correct me anyone.
March 17th, 2016 at 11:53 am
It’s March 17th and the Joes have already given up on the 2016 season. I for one am not ready to concede the 2016 season just yet.
If this team is 9-6 in week 17 and in a “win and in” situation (a scenario I could envision) and our starting quarterback can’t go for the second half, I for one would rather have Mike Glennon on the field than Ryan Griffin.
March 17th, 2016 at 11:59 am
Joe I am basing us getting the comp pick based on the pundits, who get paid to cover football, lining up to say Glennon will fetch us a 3. If you have info they are wrong then that would change my opinion on what we should do, but if the talking heads at ESPN and the NFL network are stating it as a fact then I tend to believe them.
Joe makes plenty of money covering football, as do others. There is zero guarantee of the Bucs getting a comp pick for Glennon, let alone a third-rounder. Feel free to Google the complicated rules. –Joe
March 17th, 2016 at 12:00 pm
Super Bowl or Bust
is in 2017
This coming season is just “Right-the-Franchise or Bust”
and make your Season Tickets reservations early for 2017
March 17th, 2016 at 12:00 pm
Joe-
I think your approach is logical enough and you present a valid argument.
My only response is the same argument can be made for asking Jason Licht as GM to sit down with his bosses to explain why there is no contingency plan or in-season (plan B) option in case Jameis misses 2-3 games.
I agree with your point and reasoning in the grand scheme but from a professional and functional level put yourself in the shoes of a GM.
March 17th, 2016 at 12:03 pm
Also to the point that “draft-worthy talent seriously falls off after the No. 10 pick.” Ummmm no. Robert Nkemdiche has as much talent as anyone in the draft and will not go in the top 10 because he is an odd duck. Mackensie Alexander, who just ran a sub 4.40 40 at his pro day can make a strong case for being the top cover corner in the draft, will not go in the top 10 due to youth and a lack of interceptions in his short career. Noah Spence doesn’t lack for talent and flashing on film and Emmanuel Ogbah doesn’t lack for physical ability and production.
So to this misguided idea that there is somehow going to be some great drop of in quality players in the draft after pick 10, prepare to be wrong in 3 years.
March 17th, 2016 at 12:05 pm
Joe is right in that it is unknown if we’d even get a compensatory pick. If we sign a big FA next year we may not get anything.
Even if we don’t I doubt we get anything better than a 6th unless he signs a contract in the top 5-10% of the league on average which I doubt happens.
I’d move him for a mid 4th or better. What would you move him for Joe? Anything??
March 17th, 2016 at 12:09 pm
Scratch that my math was off or the article I read was poorly stated.
KC is projected to get a 4th rounder since Chase Daniel signed a deal for 7 million.
Glennon likely will get at least that as a potential starter and if multiple teams are interested who knows?
I’d move him for a 3rd still but we likely get a 4th or better if he leaves next year. I’ve read we want a high 3rd which lines up with all this math and projections.
March 17th, 2016 at 12:13 pm
Creamsicle it doesnt matter if we are in a 9-6 win and in situation its still HIGHLY doubtful we even sniff the super bowl. What will matter are the “meaningless” games that disrupt our draft position. Such as a playoff berth. I’d like to see progression this season. Not too much where it takes away from our draft position but enough to show promise that in the next 2 years we could be in a super bowl situation.
March 17th, 2016 at 12:18 pm
Are you kidding me Delson? You rather us have a good draft position this year than actually make the playoffs, even if we have no chance at going to the Super Bowl? Wow. Just wow. I hope that is sarcasm.
March 17th, 2016 at 12:19 pm
I’d do it for a 3rd rd pick or better. Anything less is garbage I’d rather have glennon. If it’s such an easy decision funny how your boy licht hasn’t traded mg already. You think he’s dumb lmao. He’s a gm. No knock here joe but you seem to love playing for those draft picks and losing. Bucs wanna win now or at least go 8-8. We’ve had 5 straight losing seasons.
March 17th, 2016 at 12:19 pm
Chase Daniel is 3 years older than Glennon, 6 inches shorter, noodle armed and has exactly 1 TD in his career. Between his 7 million a year and Osweilers 18 million I think it would be safe to say the Bucs are staring squarely at a 3rd round compensatory pick next year if they don’t go crazy in free agency.
March 17th, 2016 at 12:23 pm
Joe, your fans think that the Tampa bay Buccaneers are much more important than they actually are… They don’t realize we are 14 seasons from being a contender in the NFC
They don’t realize that we can’t get free agents and don’t realize we’ve picked top ten in three drafts…
So they want to keep an A+ backup on a C level team… Because somehow it matters
Dude trade glennon get some value that will actually play make us better and easier apart of lichts 3 year outlook
Or we can let one of you guys gm and win 0-16 forever
March 17th, 2016 at 12:25 pm
Delson, that is just crazy talk. For the most parts teams don’t go from a top 10 pick to the Super Bowl over night. There is a progression that usually starts from making the playoffs.
Even if this team doesn’t get to the SUper Bowl this year, simply being in the playoffs would be huge experience for a young team and a 2nd year quarterback. Just beign in a playoff push would be invaluable experience for this team
My expectations for this year are a playoff birth. Anyone suggesting that we should be looking at the 2017 draft right now needs to reexamine what it means to be a fan
March 17th, 2016 at 12:25 pm
Lord…
If Brock gets what, $18-million – I’d have to assume Glennon will at least get $10-million, I mean they’re the same player except Glennon has had a lot more success. Then again I have no idea why Houston paid that kind of money, I think they were bidding against themselves.
With that said the Bucs will have the 2nd most cap space next year, and probably the very most (Denver currently does but only has 22 players under contract). That means the Bucs will almost certainly be signing people in free agency again. So while I think Glenn could get a 3rd round value, I doubt the Bucs would get anything since they’ll sign players as they’ll have a lot of money to work with.
However I still wouldn’t move Glennon unless you’re getting a 2nd rounder or better (and I don’t think there is any chance they’ll get that), he’s just too valuable if Winston goes down for a few games, and if he Glennon leaves next years and the Bucs get nothing – well they did get something, they got 4-years out of the guy, that is something. Unless they think Griffin is better than Glennon I don’t move Mike unless you get something good.
March 17th, 2016 at 12:28 pm
nawl…im sick of losing…if its true that licht turned down a 2nd round pick for glennon then shame on him and we need a new gm….this idea only works if we are already out of playoff contention by week 10…joe just ask the Texans and steelers if they agree with you…I bet tomlin and O.B would burst out laughing….GO BUCS!!!!
March 17th, 2016 at 12:30 pm
Trade a reliable low price backup for whatever you can get? This is a ridiculous argument and here’s why: NFL owners, GMs, coaches, and players almost never think this way. They always care about winning or they lose their jobs. I agree that as a fan it’s easy to want a higher draft pick once your team is out of the playoff race. All teams wish they had a good backup at all times. Period. If this trade Glennon idea is to stir reaction then I get it but it has no basis in logic or reality.
And please don’t use last years tanking 1-2 games at the end to get an elite player with the first pick. That’s a unique circumstance that hopefully we’ll never face again!!
March 17th, 2016 at 12:30 pm
Whoa, lot of animosity going back and forth over a theory that no one can prove either way. How about, let the guys who are paid to make these decisions make them, and we see what happens and start arguments after real facts are available. Jerking around over something like this is pointless…umm…jerking.
March 17th, 2016 at 12:32 pm
HarlemBuc – Part of attracting fans to the stadium and players in free agency is winning games. Wins and loses do matter and if you’re a stagnant team that never seems to progress, you will obviously have a lot of problems attracting talent and fans. If the team is 5-5 and Winston goes out for 4 games, the last thing you want to do is write off the season. Getting a 5th or 6th round lottery ticket I don’t think is worth the risk.
March 17th, 2016 at 12:33 pm
@delson…if that’s the case we could’ve keep lovie!!!!….GO BUCS!!!!
March 17th, 2016 at 12:34 pm
You people who keep saying “Trade Glennon for a draft pick that will start. Isn’t anywhere near as clear cut as you think.” A GM doesn’t make decisions based on just the starting line up. Not to mention the likely hood of the pick we would get for Glennon (lower than a 4th) would also most likely not be a starter, hell he might not even be good at all.
But according to this article that would probably be a good thing since we shouldn’t want to win anyways because we are not a Super Bowl team.
March 17th, 2016 at 12:38 pm
Objective journalism is telling the exact truth, what happened and when, without opinions filtered in, without interpretations, without guessing at motives. Sadly, it does not exist……….even on this site.
Suicide makes you hungry. I don’t care what anyone says.-Ron Burgundy
March 17th, 2016 at 12:41 pm
It’s pretty much damned if you do and damned if you don’t. If you can secure a premium pick to package and move up in the draft, you go for it. If not, pray that the Bucs are playing meaningful games in December and you’ve got a plan ‘B’.
I get your point Joe but nobody, at least not me, wants to see any more losing AT ALL! I don’t care if it hurts our draft status or not. Aren’t you tired of losing?!
March 17th, 2016 at 12:44 pm
Main reason to get rid of 8 is simple 5-13 and low ceiling
March 17th, 2016 at 12:46 pm
Unless the Bucs can get a 2nd rounder for Glennon I hope they just keep him (although a high 3rd rounder would be hard to turn down), but I have no illusions of his value. He’s a QB in the last year of his contract that didn’t play last year, other teams just aren’t going to give up a lot to get him unless they locked him into a new contract first.
I am interested in seeing what Glennon gets next year on the open market. Will he be a $5-million guy, a $10-million guy or the next Brock? I mean he had more success than Brock on a much worse team – and they’re basically the same player.
March 17th, 2016 at 12:47 pm
I just get a big smile on my face when I think about Glennon lasting longer than Lovie, That is funny stuff.. Go Bucs
March 17th, 2016 at 12:48 pm
Thats a horrible way of looking at this Tmax. The record of a back up QB has nothing to do with anything. Neither does his ceiling. If we are talking about a starter then I would understand that point. A back up though should be able to come in and not lose you games. Should be cheap and experienced. Glennon checks all those boxes and then some. Again, you cant prove what someones “ceiling” is and if we are going off records, well Winsto 6-10 isnt much better.
March 17th, 2016 at 12:49 pm
Winston’s 6-10*
March 17th, 2016 at 12:53 pm
Glennon is irrelevant to bucs future regardless of the few here that seem to think he will be successful. Bucs will not be receiving a 3rd Rd compensatory pick like some of believe. He will either back up the messiah next year and walk at seasons end or be traded draft day this year . Either way he’s irrelevant. Writing and commenting about Glennon is pointless yet entertaining
March 17th, 2016 at 12:54 pm
He’s so irrelevant that you comment on every Glennon post to tell us how irrelevant he is. LMAO. He clearly isnt very irrelevant in your mind. Though I am sure you will continue to try to tell us the opposite.
Btw, he clearly isnt irrelevant in Joe’s mind either.
March 17th, 2016 at 12:57 pm
Timing is everything! We can trade Glennon today for a late second round pick or throw the dice and see if someone will make a trade on draft day. Let’s say a team is wanting a specific player. They pick early in the second round. Then, someone takes their player. Let’s say this team also needs a QB. They decide that it is better to gift wrap that early second round pick to us for MG8. Then–and only then–do we pull the trigger.
March 17th, 2016 at 1:00 pm
And, to join in Couch’s and tmax’s conversation, how “irrelevant” is he if the “messiah” goes down? Suddenly, Glennon doesn’t sound so bad now, does he?!
March 17th, 2016 at 1:01 pm
I appreciate tmaxcon using their crystal ball to tell us what will happen in the future. Maybe you can team up with GM Joe and build a Glennon-free dynasty together.
March 17th, 2016 at 1:02 pm
The Glennon mob is almost as entertaining as the lovie supporters
March 17th, 2016 at 1:03 pm
If you think we can get anything higher than a 5th round pick for Glennon, then I have a degree from Trump University to sell you
March 17th, 2016 at 1:07 pm
Griffin has more upside than 8. Griffin will be fine backing up messiah
March 17th, 2016 at 1:09 pm
I am tired of joe telling me that the Buc’s are not a Super Bowl contender next year. If I want to believe they will be thats my prerogative and no one including joe has the right to decide for me. If I want to believe that Glennon will cure cancer next year, I will. I hate the assumption that regardless who is our QB, or RB, or WR, or Dl eat. we don’t have a chance. The definition of a fan is “We’ll win next year, for those who try to frame it in any other context find another team to throw rocks at.
March 17th, 2016 at 1:16 pm
What is the reason for keeping Ryan Griffin on the roster for another year if they keep Glennon., Glennon is gone next year unless James is permanently injured …..Trading him now gets a potential starter. Or at least a solid back up on the rookie pay scale. An extra 2 or 3 round pick who at least would be a special teams player. Not someone riding the pine.
That pick could be a starting lb or speedy wr. .we need players now to groom and grow so we can eventually make a run into the playoffs
March 17th, 2016 at 1:19 pm
tmax- You know this about Griffin how? All the games he’s played in?
Just say you don’t like Mike Glennon and be done with it because you’re kidding yourself if you think Griffin is a better option.
March 17th, 2016 at 1:34 pm
Just get something the dude isn’t gunna stay we need picks id be happy with a 4th
March 17th, 2016 at 1:35 pm
What if I like rainbows, lollipops, and ice cream?
March 17th, 2016 at 1:37 pm
This will show me if Licht is savvy if he trades Glennon, you think the Pats care about Garapolo? Belicheat would ship him out ASAP for a 3rd or a 4th
March 17th, 2016 at 1:47 pm
Joe not saying you can’t express your opinion, we are all entitled to our beliefs but my point is this article comes off as a message board thread vs something you’d find at a news site — (Joe prints all kinds of news and is a news site, and the other sites you mentioned are filled with opinions. You just don’t like this one here. –Joe)
JoeBucsFan is a blog and that is fine, you post on a blog to express your random thoughts and opinions with very little research or analysis. Actually sir, Joe uses loads of research and analysis, and reporting via media credentials.–Joe
I think your opinion on dumping Glennon for peanuts is ridiculous but again that is just my opinion.
March 17th, 2016 at 1:53 pm
It appears not everybody meets the 8th grade requirement. I agree with Joe as this is all about the likelihood of possible outcomes.
Outcome 1 – Jameis doesn’t get hurt, and Glennon never plays. We’re better off trading him.
Outcome 2 – Jameis gets hurt, and Glennon has to play significant time, say 8 games or more. There’s a great chance we miss the playoffs considering we’re ‘expected’ to be a fringe team with Jameis. In this scenario we probably miss the playoffs, with the only difference being Glennon offers us a worse draft position. We’re better off trading him here too.
Outcome 3 – This is the one several of you have brought up. Jameis suffers a minor injury and needs a week or two of relief during a playoff run. We want to win those games, no doubt, and Glennon would be our best chance.
So the two sides of the question look like this: (1) How likely is it that outcome 3 happens and (2) How much better is Glennon over the guy we’d replace him with?
Looking at the last few years, more than 16 QB’s play all 16 games and this doesn’t account for QB’s that get benched for play as opposed to getting hurt. So we’ve got ‘at least’ a 50% chance that Winston plays all year (realistically it’s higher) as in Outcome 1.
But if he does get hurt (Outcomes 2 or 3), what are the chances the injury will be a minor one that doesn’t put us out of a playoff hunt (outcome 3)? My very unofficial count of these scenarios from last year stands at 6 (Big Ben, Brees, Dalton, Taylor, Mariota, and Cutler)
The point is, keeping Glennon makes sense if we need him for a few games during a successful season. However, that’s the least likely outcome (given my very quick research). We haven’t even considered how much better Glennon would be compared to a different backup. And it’s important to note that trading Glennon is not the same as going into the locker room and asking the team to lose, or not try. It’s simply managing the team.
March 17th, 2016 at 2:04 pm
So wait. If Jamies gets hurt in the preseason and is out for the year or even say we are 5 and 2 and he goes down you automatically write off the season ? Joe you can’t be serious? YOU have no idea what this team will be like this season so quit pretending you do. If only all 32 teams had the crystal ball you have! Just because you and a select few think Jamies is the only one that could get this team into the playoffs. And more is crazy if you think you know better than the
people in organization if they want and do keep him here.
March 17th, 2016 at 2:13 pm
BucFan20,
It’s not about having a crystal ball, quite the opposite actually. It’s acknowledging the probabilities of different outcomes and managing them. Nobody knows for sure what will happen, but you can still make optimal decisions based on risk.
March 17th, 2016 at 2:28 pm
In Madden I was offered a third round pick for Glennon and I traded him… He started for a year for the Rams and was available the very next season on the cheap… It’s amazing how realistic these video games are nowadays… Wouldn’t that be a nice scenario? Lol…
March 17th, 2016 at 2:35 pm
Screw it lets go all in crazy on Glennon and trade him to Cleveland for josh Gordon
March 17th, 2016 at 2:51 pm
Bill – The issue is the return you get for the risk of wasting a season. I don’t think people have a problem with trading Glennon if the Bucs are getting a 2nd – I don’t really see people don’t trade him at any costs. I think the issue is the return, which would probably be a mid-rounder, like a 5th or 6th round pick. If that is your return do you risk your season? Also while the Bucs likely wouldn’t get a comp pick for losing Glennon since they’ll most likely sign other players, there is still the chance they could get a 6th rounder anyways if they keep him.
The risk/reward just makes it not worth it to me if we’re talking a mid-round pick.
Also we know Glennon can spot start and give the team a chance, meanwhile we don’t know much about Griffin except he was cut by the Saints after failing to win a job there.
March 17th, 2016 at 3:04 pm
Joe…I’m all for trading Glennon for a second, or of course first pick. But please….don’t drop the “winning a meaningful game” thing on him. If you want to go there, when did Jamies win any meaningful professional game? Basically when you look how pitiful the Bucs have been the last few years, the only “meaningful” games have been those losses that resulted in a higher draft pick and didn’t require winning.
March 17th, 2016 at 3:13 pm
Wow! Talk about glass half empty.
March 17th, 2016 at 3:14 pm
@ Realist: Zzzzzzzzzzz Trade McCoy Zzzzzzzzzzzz!!
March 17th, 2016 at 3:15 pm
I don’t have a crystal ball, but have one hell of magic eight ball……..I keep it right next to my stash of lollies and ice cream in my pot at the end of the rainbow. Just beware of me attack leprechaun in charge of it’s security!
March 17th, 2016 at 3:24 pm
What makes anyone think glennon could come off the bench and win us games? He hasnt done it in the past! His whole 5 (?) career wins is worrying to the Joes? Glennon sucks as a starting QB. He is an excellent back up because he knows his role and is a good teammate. He is smart and a good influence on his teammates. But his “on the field talent” is seriously terrible. He isn’t a good back up for his impeccable play in games. Lol he was hot garbage in all but maybe 2 games in his career. Im not worried one bit about glennon coming in and winning games for us. If anything our team would win games despite playing Glennon.
You ever wonder why the bucs havent traded glennon? Because no one thinks he is worth anything. They’ve all seen his tape. They know he does not have what it takes to he a starter. After this season glennon will leave and be offered back up jobs. He is not starter material. i dont think any team is really that desperate. Heck the Broncos would rather roll woth Mark Sanchez than inquire about Glennon.
March 17th, 2016 at 3:26 pm
You pull the trigger on moving Glennon if, or when the deal works for us. Licht thinks highly enough of him to keep the Cannon propped up until X and Y intersect on the double secret value chart.
It could be tomorrow, during the draft or anytime before the trade deadline too.
March 17th, 2016 at 3:28 pm
Joe doesn’t have this comment section to tolerate insults and misrepresentations of Joe’s work. Joe has archives of 25,000 posts to stand behind. –Joe
March 17th, 2016 at 3:29 pm
@Joe great philosophy. let’s lose every game every year and we can insure that we have the first draft choice every year. We can continue to sell the fans “wait till next year” I think Joe has been reading a Cleveland blog way too much.
March 17th, 2016 at 3:54 pm
I love you guys and fully agree with you on Glennon, when pulling the hammer back you better make sure the gun is not pointed at you.
See your copy says;
“Careful, you’ll need at least a quality eighth-grade education to understand the following breakdown.
Nothing in the NFL is more overrated ***that*** winning meaningless games.”
You insult with the first paragraph (and i love the fire), and then look at your very next sentence. I don’t think the word “that” is what you meant but maybe they did not teach that until the ninth grade or maybe at least an explanation of “quality” is needed?
March 17th, 2016 at 4:09 pm
@Rod, Yes the reward matters. After all, we are talking about a trade and not a cut, lol.
You’re onto something when you say “the return you get for the risk of wasting a season”. Joe defines a successful season as a SB season, I’ll go lower than that and say attaining playoff experience for a young team would be considered a successful year. Anything other than that is a wasted season, and as I outlined above Glennon doesn’t look to have much of an impact outside of a very specific scenario, one which probably won’t occur.
The smart money says we’re a potential wildcard team ‘with’ Jameis, and as solid as I consider Glennon to be, he’s not Jameis. So how many games can we have Glennon play before our originally slim playoff hopes disappear? 1, 2, 3 games? Assuming you follow my point, the only reason we keep Glennon (and not trade him) is to insure Winston for a minor injury. Of course, if Winston suffers a major injury and Glennon leads us to an admirable 8-8, then Glennon has actually hurt the team.
This consideration would be totally different IF we were a better team, but we’re a 6-10 team who will still have some holes come opening day.
March 17th, 2016 at 4:17 pm
I feel like a bum with a loser mentality wrote this article!
There are no meaningless wins in the NFL (unless you are in the race for Jamies but we already have him).Im a die hard Jamies fan but if he goes down for a game or three I want someone that can carry us to some wins until the chosen one returns.
Whoever wrote this shld go jump off the Skyway. Loser.
March 17th, 2016 at 4:29 pm
“Here at JoeBrownsFan.com we are in favor of tanking every season so we can create the majesty of having the number one pick. This would allow our fan base to get excited over drafting the next Tim Couch or Courtney Brown.
Who needs to win ‘meaningless games’ in the regular season when you can just tank your way to the top pick! And if our pro bowl center or safety can’t wait to leave our dumpstire fire of a franchise WHO NEEDS THEM?! We can win through the draft! Just like we always have!”
-My new site idea for you Joe.
March 17th, 2016 at 4:30 pm
@Bill – The Bucs have to start winning at some point or the stadium is going to get more and more empty and we’re going to hear more and more rumors about the team eventually moving to London. You can’t pack in the season because Winston is out for a month. Also you have the development of young players at risk, be it in the offensive line and at WR, you know Glennon is a serviceable starter for a few games. You want your young players progressing even if Winston is out.
So lets say Winston missed 4 games – sure, the Bucs have a very small playoff window and a difficult schedule, but I do believe with Glennon you’d have some hope. I’m really not a Glennon backer, I didn’t want him as our long term starting QB and that was the main reason I wanted Schiano gone. But the issue was upside, he’s not going to win you games but he can probably keep you from losing them and there is the possibility he could make a play or two. Now in that same situation, say Winston is out for a month and the Bucs are starting Griffin, a guy who has yet to play, I think it’s completely deflating to the team and to the fan base. Additionally you worry about will WRs and OL progress with a guy back there that hasn’t done it before or will they regress? We don’t know – but I think under Glennon those regressions are unlikely since he is an experienced starter – dare I say veteran at this point.
For me the season isn’t playoffs or bust, it’s about a progression. I think an 8-8 season coming off a 6-10 season would be a success. Sure I’d love to see them sneak into the playoffs, but they have a very difficult schedule and I think even getting to 7-9 might be difficult unless Winston just really comes out on fire.
Again the issue is the reward, what is it? A 5th or 6th rounder? In that case I’d rather keep him – you seemingly find just as many NFL players that are UFA as you do in the those rounds and you have an insurance policy. Sure it’s not a great one, but it’s not terrible and it’s not costing you anything out of pocket.
March 17th, 2016 at 5:15 pm
This one is thin, Joe.
March 17th, 2016 at 5:39 pm
In my book there is no such thing as a meaningless game……players get hurt, coaches lose their jobs….fans spend money….opposing teams have something on the line.
Sure, there are more meaningful games than others but they are not meaninless.
March 17th, 2016 at 5:40 pm
LOL – Joe’s take on this is amusing yet sad.
The general premise of trading Glennon for a decent pick now – because we need more help NOW at other positions – is reasonable bordering on sound.
But to then expound and say – (paraphrased) ‘we should intentionally get a bad back up this year so as not to win “meaningless” games if that sad sack of a QB ever has to play’ – well that is utterly preposterous.
Screw the draft position! We have our franchise QB – and from this day forward – every win is precious. Every win puts us 1 step closer to winning a Super Bowl be it next year or in 5 years. This team needs to build a winning tradition and every single win teaches you how to do that.
So if the Bucs are sitting at 6-9 in week 17 this year – Hell Yes – we need to win that last game and damn sure better be giving 100% effort to do so.
ANY thought towards how do we get a better draft pick next year is a flat out LOSERS mentality!
I think you should tell Jameis your take on this and ask for his comments. Tell him that you have decided that since we are 100% NOT going to the Super Bowl in 2016 – that we should intentionally have a bad backup QB this year after we trade Glennon so that we can secure a better draft position the following draft if Jameis were to get injured. Then ask for his thoughts on that idea.
March 17th, 2016 at 6:02 pm
If Lovie gets the boot after 2 seasons, what happens to Licht after 3 bad seasons. It’s about job protection, and I think his GM job pays well, so he wants to keep it if catastrophe happens. He’ll hold on to Glennon to protect his job unless someone is Cray Cray and gives up the farm.
March 17th, 2016 at 6:48 pm
Joe, you are totally right. I couldn’t agree more.
March 17th, 2016 at 7:07 pm
So…..Joe apparently defines a meaningless game starts with the first game where the Bucs are mathematically out of the playoff hunt.
What ever happened to all those “change the losing culture” articles…..
Talk about a losing culture…..tanking for higher draft picks instead of doing everything you can to win.
That’s not me…..That’s not Jameis……That’s not Pickgrin…..and it’s certainly not Miko!!!
March 17th, 2016 at 7:09 pm
I think the Glennon situation is simple:
If we keep him this year and then he leaves and we get a compensatory pick, the best case scenario is a 3rd rounder. Could be as low as a 6th or 7th rounder (or none).
So, if you can get a higher pick than that right now (or draft day, etc.), you make the trade. Simple as that.
March 17th, 2016 at 7:26 pm
It’s all a plot orchestrated by the Joes to free up a roster spot at QB in hopes Licht is drunk enough to bring in former first round pick/currently unemployed two years later Johnny Manziel as Jameis’s backup! Fortunately I think Licht is savvy enough to realize fans are impatient, so it’s in his best interest to keep as much talent on the team as possible in order to try to compete for a shot at the Super Bowl this upcoming season. Gotta win NOW in this league.
March 17th, 2016 at 7:43 pm
How about let’s having a good backup…(doesn’t need to be Glennon) I would trade him……but instead of Joe’s idea to have a terrible one to lose games on purpose….Let’s simply put Russell Shepard in (played some QB)…..and save the good backup from injury in a “meaningless” game. (sarcasm)
March 17th, 2016 at 8:27 pm
@Joes.
I tried reading most of these post but I’m failing to see one major point… If we are in the hunt and happen to make the playoffs as you suggest is possible… What happens if JW can’t go for a playoff game???
And not that we are anything close to Denver… But what was Brocks worth to them prior to the season??? I suspect The Real Coach Smith will get the most out of the excellent talent we have currently on D….
Member this is the year most of us thought we would be contending a couple years back…. A good QB is all we hoped we needed…. Now we have all the pieces…. I am not sure why you or anyone would say we can’t contend…. Every year a team rises from the grave….
I believe your just stuck in the Debbie downer mind set…. No games are meaningless…. Unless of course all of them are meaningless….
However why not just sit JW all year next year to protect his health because we ain’t gonna win nothing anyways….
March 17th, 2016 at 9:24 pm
He’s 5-13 as a starter. How many wins can he really pull out for you?
March 17th, 2016 at 9:59 pm
So if you want to play it that way, Winston is 6-10. Both LOSERS.
March 17th, 2016 at 10:20 pm
Joe,
This is the DUMBEST argument you constantly make. It borders on ignorance. First… you act like no backup QB in the history of the league has ever taken his team to the playoffs. By your rationale, the 2000-01 Pats should have traded Tom Brady for a pick, because the season would’ve clearly been lost if Bledsoe ever got hurt. There are dozens of other examples I could add to this one.
The Bucs haven’t made the playoffs in almost a decade. they’ve been picking in the top 10 for most of that decade. What has that gotten them???
Just stop with the same story every day about the Bucs wasting their time with Glennon. It makes ZERO sense. If Glennon is that good – then that means the Bucs would win games with him. Yet, in the same sentence you say that the Bucs season is lost if Jameis gets hurt, which implies that Glennon isn’t good enough to win./ Which is it?
Screw the Super Bowl. The Bucs have finished last 5 years in a row and haven’t made the playoffs in 9 years. They need to end both droughts before a losing culture completely overtakes the young core. Tanking is NOT the answer.
Sir, you comparing the situations of Tom Brady and today’s Mike Glennon is the DUMBEST thing Joe has read in a while. Joe’s argument makes perfect sense. –Joe
March 17th, 2016 at 10:49 pm
Let him go make a name for himself , he played his heart out been a team player . Time to say thank you and good luck . This yr
March 17th, 2016 at 11:09 pm
Tony,
It’s because Joe worships Winston. With him, all things are possible. Without him, why bother?
😉
March 18th, 2016 at 12:12 am
Anyone who thinks Glennon is a savior or a franchise quarterback needs to check into a mental institution. He can’t beat out McCown, givin the job over freeman who had issues but the worst head coach in Buc history gave it to him. He’s a clip board holder at best for his career. I’m just waiting for a pic of him wearing a “Vote for Pedro” pin next time joe does a damn article on this kid. Let’s get over Glennon. It’s not like he’s gonna be the next Steve young of this franchise.
March 18th, 2016 at 7:16 am
If I’m Mike Glennon, I’m begging the Bucs NOT to trade me, he will make probably 5-10 million more a year if he is a free agent next year, based on what these bums just got paid. Best case scenario, trade him to Cleveland and swap picks, shoot throw in a 4th or 5th and go up and get Ramsey, if he goes 1st, either take Tunsil and move Smith to the right or try to trade back with a more desperate team. That is my dream….time to go back to bed.
March 18th, 2016 at 7:23 am
Kory I haven’t seen a single person say that or imply that. The vast majority of the responses are ver reasonable, if Winston gets hurt and misses 4 games do you want Glennon in there starting or do you want Griffin and a 5th round pick in 2017? That’s been the issue, even the Glennon lovers I’ve seen say ship him off if we get a 2nd round pick – but we know that isn’t going to happen, so is a more realistic trade is like a 5th or 6th worth the risk? It’s really that simple.
March 18th, 2016 at 8:13 am
The Superbowl has nothing to do with this topic. It all depends on what you can get for him. If you get a second rounder, its value add to the team so trade him. If you can’t get that for him, we should keep him because he has more value backing up Jameis than a 3rd round pick. You would probably use that pick on a replacement QB anyway so whats the point? Its Koetter’s job to win games (and Licht’s), not to strategically put the team in position to draft higher if a starting player goes down. That will get you fired in a hurry. The teams goal should be to move down in the draft order, not move up (see Patriots). If your trying to keep your draft position, your not getting better and as a coach or GM you will be unemployed soon.
March 18th, 2016 at 8:30 am
The Bucs need to win, and they need to win now. The fans deserve it. ANd if Glennon helps us get a Wild Card, that’s great. The Bucs need to get a taste of winning and a taste of the playoffs. Another losing season and a high draft pick isn’t what this team needs.
March 18th, 2016 at 12:49 pm
This article is pure lunacy! Having a quality backup QB is one of the most important features of any NFL team.
As the Joe’s have pointed out, it doesn’t take forever to turn around an NFL team anymore, and one could make an argument that the Bucs are poised to have a breakout season in 2016 and possibly shock the world.
The Bucs expect to be capable of scoring on anyone and Mike Smith’s presence on defense should be a dramatic improvement over Lovie’s version of the Cover 2. The Bucs are certainly capable of landing a wild card spot in 2016.
Teams have won Super Bowls out of the last wildcard slot by getting hot and peaking at the right time, so the Bucs clearly have a puncher’s chance if things break their way. Having a quality backup like Mike Glennon could certainly help if Winston misses a few games at any point in the season.
A third or fourth round pick could certainly turn into an impact player, as long as Mark Dominik is not making the picks, but Glennon has real value to the Bucs in 2016 as that quality backup QB. Is that value more than a third or fourth round pick? Jason Licht seems to think so, and he’s the one calling the shots.
March 18th, 2016 at 8:31 pm
Every team should have the best 53 man roster they can possibly pull together each and every season. Having great backups and great backups to backup your backups is key to success.