What Sparked Jameis’ Outrage?
January 5th, 2016
Justified anger.
Joe has watched the video several times and, frankly, can’t watch it enough.
Jameis was peeved, angry, outraged. He sure looked like he wanted to punch someone. The losing ways of the Bucs, the losing culture, as Lovie Smith discussed yesterday, finally had Jameis at his boiling point.
It was beautiful. But what sparked Jameis’ fire? Joe believes it was the atmosphere in the Bucs’ locker room after the seal-clubbing administered by the Stinking Panthers.
The scene was painted by Woody Cummings of the Tampa Tribune.
At one end of the Buccaneers locker room late Sunday, a group of defensive linemen joked and laughed out loud as they began the process of unwinding from another lost season.
At the other, rookie quarterback Jameis Winston sat alone in front of his corner stall with his head in his hands, a steely look of determination on his face and a fire in his belly.
Let that sink in. How much passion and money do you put into your team, only to be punched in the gut more often than not, and guys in the locker room are yucking it up like they are at a neighborhood bar’s happy hour.
The team just yacked on their shoes, puking away a playoff run in December when the path was paved for them. They dropped four straight, the first three to garbage teams. One was against the Saints with everything on the line at the Den of Depression. Joe had four members of the Bucs’ starting defense admit on record they were flat that day.
With everything that game meant, Joe still cannot fathom how a team could have no fire, as if they were showing up for work at a telemarketing firm. And people wonder why Jameis erupted and wanted to start choking people Sunday night?
There it is for all to read in black and white. Bucs fans ought to be appalled. It even unnerves Joe. Right there is the losing culture Jameis and the rookies are trying to delouse from the locker room.
Joe was not in Charlotte Sunday, the lone road game Joe did not work this season. Yesterday, Joe was at One Buc Palace and asked those there who were the hucksters, the players seemingly very pleased they could hit the golf course or quickly jet away to Costa Rica for cold tropical drinks and warm Latina women.
Joe was told every defensive linemen on the roster was having a grand old time, just minutes after getting clobbered by the Stinking Panthers.
January 5th, 2016 at 5:40 am
Disconcerting news. It sounds very dangerous to have this mentality in players whom newer players will look up too. And it doesn’t look like a coaching problem, our DL-coach looks plenty fiery.
It’s not McCoys fault he was put in a leadership position he wasn’t cut out for, that’s just bad coaching and lack of leadership. The problem is how do you strip him of it? Ship away his pals and surround him with new, gritty players? I have no idea but we lack too much talent to ship away what little we have. The coaches need to get on this asap. Hopefully these lazy bums won’t be able to brush off Winston’s demands next season because he is a rookie.
January 5th, 2016 at 6:16 am
I totally like his attitude. Now his play has to match it. He’s a big reason they lost 4 in a row. He played poorly down the stretch. Most of his stats came in mop up time late in games when teams were playing prevent defenses.
January 5th, 2016 at 6:19 am
Oh really? So shocked. There’s McCoys’s leadership. Guy is soft and all he knows is losing and how to talk to the media. Loser. Outside of cornerback is there another position group who under performed so badly?
January 5th, 2016 at 6:24 am
Four game losing streaks are hilarious.
10 years without a Buccaneer getting 10+ sacks is even funnier.
Laugh it up, GMC and company. Glad you think it is hilarious to get your @sses beat.
Congratulations on finishing last in the division for the 5th time in a row.
January 5th, 2016 at 6:37 am
Our DLine has underperformed forever (well, since the days of Simeon Rice at least). Personally I’d keep GMC, McDonald and Spence for the interior, plus Gholston, Jack Smith and maybe Howard Jones. Add 1 FA rock-solid DT (like the Rams’ Nick Fairley) plus 1 FA beastly DE (like the Jets’ Wilkerson) and then draft at least 1 DE with our #1 draft selection and we might finally have the DLine that the Tampa-2 needs to function properly.
As for some of the DLinemen ‘joking and laughing’ in the locker room after Sunday’s loss, my guess is that the joke will be on them before too long. And as for GMC’s ‘go out and have fun’ pep talk, he needs to realize that thousands of fans paid good money to see them play, and those fans are the only reason any of those players even have jobs. Bucs fans don’t give a ratzass whether GMC is having fun or not. Watching our team lose game after game isn’t fun.
January 5th, 2016 at 7:00 am
Seriously send the message and ship McCoy out of town. Out will put everyone on notice that no one is safe.
January 5th, 2016 at 7:03 am
Nothing surprising here. Attitude reflects leadership and the leader of the defensive line puts fun before everything else. He’s a clown, that’s what they do. So, GMC was just doing GMC things. Nothing we haven’t seen all year. The real story is the GMC let Jameis sit over there looking morose and didn’t go try to turn his frown upside down. Maybe offer him a snow cone or a balloon animal.
January 5th, 2016 at 7:11 am
Ever since the Home Saints game I have totally turned on GMC. Have been defending him all these years before hand. I wish nothing more than to see him traded to a sh!t a$$ team for a half way decent draft pick. A look inside the locker room matches his effort on the field. I am ready to admit that Mr. Beckles has been right for the past couple years about this slacker, anyonee else?
January 5th, 2016 at 7:16 am
You’ll recall that gmc didn’t have any fun his first season on the team. Ever since he’s d started enjoying himself we’ve been in last place in the division ever since. Maybe so looking at your profession like it’s a game to be played. It’s called a game but what he seems to be missing is that it’s a competition against other professionals who are taking it seriously and we’re being routinely made to look foolish. How about we save the jokes and laughing for winning efforts. When you get embarrassed, maybe take a little time to reflect and figure out why and what you need to look inside yourself and do better.
It’s true that I don’t play football, but I am a professional and I know what it looks like when someone is giving everything they have to be the best. It’s a mindset and an attitude. I’ve seen enough articles about Mccoy coming in during the off season and practicing on his own. There’s a difference between putting in hours and working to get better. Judging by this season, Mccoy may have come in during the offseason but he was just punching the clock like he’s been doing all season. He’s just there because that’s where his checks are signed.
January 5th, 2016 at 7:24 am
I think the biggest disgrace is that this fraud keeps going to pro bowls. The Nfl is so worried about protecting the integrity of the shield yet they allow this clown to represent the league. Maybe he is the perfect person to represent the Bucs, he is the biggest clown in this circus we call a team, and trust me that’s how we are viewed outside Tampa, as a freaking circus.
January 5th, 2016 at 7:24 am
GMC OK with losing? Color me shocked. I hope Joe understands now why GMC gets so much flack from us. Winning is not high enough on his priority list.
January 5th, 2016 at 7:39 am
Think about this: You think Mariota would have vowed to change the mentality of the locker room? Do you think that’s on his list of priorities this off season?
On attitude alone, we dodged a bullet by not drafting him. GMC and company would have already tainted his mind with being OK with losing
January 5th, 2016 at 7:48 am
It all starts at the top…..
Simple as that….
January 5th, 2016 at 7:50 am
if you really look at was Jameis had to work with as far as undrafted FA wideouts and guys with no want and desire to even make a catch it’s a miracle we got to 6 wins how dare anyone blame the last 4 on him although he made his share of mistakes he’s the only reason besides Dougie that we were even in it to begin with! Let’s cut the dead weight from our losing era I’m content in waiting longer for a championship caliber team if it means bringing in more guys like our rooks Go Bucs
January 5th, 2016 at 7:54 am
@clodhopper is absolutely right although he’s very talented his personality would have fallen victim to the losing mentality of our Vets we needed a guy to say I’m not havin any of it!!
January 5th, 2016 at 7:57 am
I have fun when I look at my bank account. $98 million. Do you know how easy it is to laugh when you’re sitting on $98 million?
What had happened is…I was talkin with Will Gholston. I said Will, you think you had a better year than me? Will said “yeah geraldini, I started 11 games, had 47 tackles, 20 assists, forced a fumble, had the best year of my career”. And I said “Man, Will, you’re killin it. I started 15 games, I had 26 tackles, and 8 assists. Didn’t cause any fumbles, though. I figure if I hit a guy too hard, either he might get hurt, or he might not think that’s fun.”
And then Will opened up his game check, and I said “Will, what the hell. That thing’s tiny.” And Will said, “yeah, geraldini, $34,441. I made $585k this year”
I figured since I showed him his, it’d be fun to show him mine. “Check this thing out, Will. $933,294. I got paid $610,000 for every tackle I made this year”
Then I laughed. Will got on his phone. I wanna say it was his agent.
Good times, good times….
January 5th, 2016 at 7:59 am
Still nothing but speculation…..a few DL laughing……for all we know it had absolutely nothing to do with that…..
Sure, it’s likely…..but not for certain……I sure wouldn’t want some of you to serve on a jury.
January 5th, 2016 at 8:03 am
Wow. Just wow. Last place loser mentality. And we keep spending our hard earned money on this sh*t show. These aholes led by Gerald are essentially laughing at us, the fans.
January 5th, 2016 at 8:05 am
No doubt the Bucs need a playmaker on that DLine and in the secondary. When they rush 4 DLs the opposing QB has a clean pocket. The rushing lanes are open.
Sunday night I watched Packers-Vikings. After watching Bucs-Panthers. The contrast of seeing the Viking defensive line relentlessly chasing Aaron Rogers all over the field whereas the Bucs rush looks like bodies simply stuck 10 feet from the QB.
Rogers is an amazing athlete, he was an escape artist, don’t know how he gets out of the pocket when defense’s have him practically in the grasp. Those Viking DL rushers never let up, chasing him and one finally caught up with him.
That’s the kind of effort you are not seeing from the Bucs DLine.
Understandably they say McCoy was hurt all year. The shoulder injury does make it hard to bull rush. His “get off” speed is supposed to be his asset. Why wasn’t he displaying that speed? He didn’t look very fast to me.
Is it conditioning? Every pre-season coming out fresh he makes all of these fast moves and bursts through the line but when the regular season starts he wears down and gets hurt. He cannot be such an elite athlete if his physical conditioning is in question. You can defend him but his history does show that as the season goes he fades away.
January 5th, 2016 at 8:05 am
@ Steve White…STFU. You are an apologist for these clowns.
January 5th, 2016 at 8:14 am
This team has the same passion to win that their incompetent HC has.
Does anyone really still believe Incompetent Lovie Smith is a championship level coach and leader?
January 5th, 2016 at 8:21 am
Red Stripe has all the talent but none of the heart, determination, leadership, or killer instinct to go with it. He is who he is. Aint gonna change..
January 5th, 2016 at 8:48 am
McCoy is a salesman.. You think he would have gotten that contract from any other team… Heck NO>.
He was the face of the franchise and Winston is here and the FANS love him.
Winston has heart.
But where was Lovie to shut that down… McCoy should be called on the carpet..
Lead you guys or get out of the way.. Put him on the trading block I bet no one picks him up with that contract.
McCoy is a big red stipe BABY…Watch the New Orleans game when he would not get in the huddle with all the players when Winston was talking before the game.
There is a big problem with this team.. A 100 Million dollar Baby and a Gutless Coach
January 5th, 2016 at 9:04 am
Hearing this story is disconcerting but ultimately the only thing I really care about is how the players play on the field. I like Gerald McCoy and he absolutely is deserving of his 4th pro bowl. It would *seem* given Gerald’s faith that winning or losing isn’t all that important in the grand scheme of things. Sure, I do believe he wants to win but he seems to be the kind of guy who wakes up in the morning and thanks Jesus for another blessed day. That’s what is most important to him.
I’m not saying that’s a bad thing, I’m just suggesting that’s the kind of personality he seems to publicly portray. That may come across as not caring about losing.
January 5th, 2016 at 9:11 am
When winning is the only thing that matters, that is when the mentality will change
January 5th, 2016 at 9:31 am
@TBBF
Solid note of caution…we are going crazy on one reporters observation of a small group of players. Perhaps one of them just cut a horrible fart!
No I’m not excusing their behavior. Just suggesting that TBBF is correct we may wish to hold our fire before we know the entire story.
Having said that….where there’s smoke there’s fire…I am not one of this board’s GMC bashers. I believe he has talent…I believe he’s earned his money with his play and his effort even though injured.
What GMC is not is a leader. It’s just not in his makeup. Imagine him playing alongside a really fiery DE…kind of like the difference between Kwon and LVD.
Bpth have talent…one is a fiery leader.
Maybe it’s time to shop GMC to both stock a bare defensive cupboard as well as send a HUGE message to the locker room.
#3 will get ME and ASJ into adulthood or they’ll be gone. JW will not tolerate their nonsense another year.
Defensively though is another issue. Who will lead our defense? Clearly it’s not LVD or GMC…perhaps too soon to anoint Kwon but at least he has the fire.
January 5th, 2016 at 9:54 am
What would we realistically get if we traded McCoy?
January 5th, 2016 at 10:05 am
As much as we beat up on Gerald McCoy for being soft, maybe there’s something to it. He’s been the default leader of some of the most dreadful defenses in NFL history and he clearly doesn’t have a winning mentality. He’s only been a part of 1 winning team in his 6 seasons, his rookie year when Josh Freeman had those several amazing and improbable come-from-behind wins, and we’ve never seen him visibly upset by the incessant losing.
I expect all of the Buccaneer leaders to feel exactly like Jameis feels, the same way Brooks, Sapp, Lynch, and Barber felt when they lost. Can you imagine the defensive linemen yucking it up after a loss during Sapp’s reign? Sapp would have cracked some skulls.
Unfortunately, I think there are only a handful of players that aren’t already polluted by the losing. I hope that Jameis can turn some of them around, because replacing those players through the draft and free agency will take a long time.
January 5th, 2016 at 10:15 am
NEED I SAY MORE?
January 5th, 2016 at 2:17 pm
I can’t lay the blame squarely just on McCoy. If I did a lousy job at my employment and picked up a paychek regardless of my productivity lacking I would be fired immediately. These players are blessed and they let it go to their heads. Losing pays the same as winning.
January 5th, 2016 at 10:48 pm
Trade his ass…give me 4 dawgs like #56 Jaq Smith on the line…guys like #55 D Brooks that EVERY training camp for 15 years talked about how he was just trying to make the team…I want men on this team that have pride in what they do! I wanna see some fight…McCoy has proven the old line “That dog can’t hunt”…He’s got no fire in him other than to be mediocre