The Folly Of Emotions
December 22nd, 2015
“What the f@#k do you mean my g@#$%^n cussing and yelling doesn’t mean anything? When the f@#k was the last time this s@#tty franchise has been in the f@#$ing playoffs, huh?”
Joe gets a kick out of it when Bucs fans bark at how Lovie is stoic, deep in thought during games.
Bucs fans want a cartoon character who jumps up and down and screams all the time.
Maybe that is why fans like Chucky so much (outside of the winning and playoff appearances)?
Joe likes it is as much any beer-swilling fan when America’s Quarterback, Bucs signal-caller Jameis Winston, tries to get his teammates fired up. But then, fans see Gerald McCoy on the outskirts looking in on the tent revival and are irate.
Sander Philipse of BucsNation.com has an interesting take on all this hollering and dramatics before games: It doesn’t matter.
Coaches and players love Winston for the emotion he shows, yet some fans see something else: they see what they see when they see Cam Newton celebrate a touchdown. Words like “childish”, “selfish”, “arrogant” and much worse appear regularly. Sometimes elaborate diatribes can easily be replaced by a single word starting with the letter “n” without losing any of their meaning or intent.
As with Newton, much of the way people read these external displays of emotion has everything to do with how they view Winston as a player and person, and very little to do with the effect those emotional displays actually have. I have yet to see someone call Drew Brees a “thug” for his pre-game speeches, and those same folks will regularly criticize players like Jay Cutler, Joe Flacco and Eli Manning for not engaging in emotional displays.
Joe always remembers Rocky Blier saying how when he joined the Steelers and he encouraged the defense from the sideline, he got scolded by stoic Chuck Noll, he of four Super Bowl rings, saying, “We don’t do that stuff here!” Hard to argue with Noll’s head coaching success.
Tom Landry was another guy who was a statue. Pretty good coach. And there is still a large sect of Bucs fans who throw rose pedals on the ground in front of Father Dungy. He, too, was a stick figure.
What does all this mean? The woofing and hollering is great theater. But at the end of the day, it’s about execution and winning. Coaches and players have to be themselves.
What works for Eli Manning may not work for Jameis.
December 22nd, 2015 at 1:26 pm
In my opinion it’s not the delivery that is Lovie’s problem….it’s the content. He’s overrated as a coach. Buc fans that are holding on to the past are blinded by their allegiance to the good old days of the dominant defense and winning records. We need to continue to move forward and have a coach that can foresee the future. Lovie is and always will be stuck in the past. He needed more than one offseason in the basement to catch up on the times.
December 22nd, 2015 at 2:01 pm
The problem is not that Lovie’s stoic presence isn’t firing up his team. It’s that he is not INVOLVED enough. You don’t have to a maniac like Gruden, but I want my head coach to: (1) work the refs. It’s effective. They won’t reverse calls but they WILL give you a make-up call — it’s human nature. That’s why even quiet coaches like Belichick work the refs hard when the calls are going against them. (2) Engage your players when they screw up AND when they do something great. Human beings respond to incentives. The message Lovie sends is: whatever you do is fine. It’s all good. It is NOT all good. Tell Evans and Gholston they need to be professionals or they will sit. Tell the refs they need to stop calling ticky tack penalties. Tell Jameis he’s your guy and you’re proud of him. LEAD. Lead your team….
December 22nd, 2015 at 2:08 pm
Joe, I agree with you, bu I don’t think that was the point he was trying to make.
December 22nd, 2015 at 2:31 pm
I think Sander Philipse nailed it with his point and examples on how a show of emotions by certain players (or even coaches for that matter) or interpreted differently by people depending on their underlying views of that person. I think that’s a large part of the reason why coaches like Dungy, Smith, Bowles, and others do their best to not get too worked up and show little emotion during games.
December 22nd, 2015 at 3:15 pm
Lets be clear, its NOT about emotion.
Lovie is just a TERRIBLE coach.
Does not nearly get the best out of his players (see LVD, GMC, Verner, Banks, etc.. etc..)
Doesn’t know how to gameplan (see practically every loss but specifically, Titans, Saints, Rams, Colts, Texans)
Doesn’t know how to make adjustments (see Redskins),
Doesn’t know how to discipline (see record-pace for penalties).
Doesn’t have a good DEF scheme (See LITERALLY every game)
Makes poor in-game decisions (not going for it on obvious 4th downs, kicking FGs instead of going for TDs)
Regardless of the fact we got 6 wins or end with more. Lovie is an awful coach. With even a decent coach this team could be way better.
Lovie must go my friends
December 22nd, 2015 at 4:02 pm
@ JOLLY
Its hard to ague with your points.
sometimes you have to tell it like it is.
December 22nd, 2015 at 11:51 pm
You armchair coaches are fricking funny.
Get off your ass and go into coaching.
Take a long look at Lovies resume and top defenses and winning percentage aside from 2 rebuilding years with each team and tell me exactly why he sucks?
Tell me who should replace him.
Please tell me how changing coaches and OCs every couple years because you idiots get your panties in a wad is beneficial?
Exactly how often does every winning franchise change coaches and offenses?
How does changing coaching staffs and systems every couple years work out for new QBs? Kill a career much?
Sorry to be blunt but you guys are Morons.
Lovie just built a team capable of winning 10+ games every year for the next several. The only thing left is DEs and DBs and basic replenishing by building depth.
They have the foundation to win a couple SBs within the next 6 years but you ignorant “fans” will probably be on this website the day after a SB win to bitch and miss about something.
Your moms must love having you in the basement with all that negativity
December 23rd, 2015 at 1:42 am
This is not high school football.
I would doubt every player likes yellers and screamers.
Some people can self motivate; you know they’re professionals.
Just read that Gerald McCoy tore his rotator cuff in the 2nd game.
This is one tough dude who tries to help his team. He’s just not a screamer as a captain. Not his style,or personality.
Jameis Winston is obviously a different rah rah type A personality.