“Elongated Arc” Still Plaguing Jameis
November 17th, 2015
America’s Quarterback, Jameis Winston, landed with the Bucs as an NFL-ready prospect, but that doesn’t mean he’s a finished product.
And that’s part of what is so exciting about the 21-year-old Tampa Bay leader.
Former Bucs QB and current BSPN quarterback guru Trent Dilfer is a big Jameis supporter and part of Jameis’ eager group of mentors.
Dilfer talked on WDAE-AM 620 today and shared that four years ago he was coaching Jameis on throwing mechanics at his camp for high school gunslingers. Back then, Dilfer said, he was working with Jameis on release points and throwing arcs, and that’s an issue that adversely affects him today.
“Most release points are about the same, six to 11 inches off the front the front toe when it plants,” Dilfer said. “The arm actually goes up as the ball is release. You look at it at 1,000 frames per second. Even Philip Rivers, who looks like he’s throwing sidearm, releases it within, relative to their height, about the same place as everybody else.
“What you’re seeing [with Jameis] is an elongated arc of the ball, which then tends to have the ball sail.”
Dilfer said he had the same problem as a professional, and it’s an “easy fix” that simply requires an offseason commitment. Jameis said Tom Brady and Drew Brees have spent extensive offseason time on mechanics, and typically about 20 percent of what a QB works on will stick.
Enjoy all of Dilfer’s interesting chat via the 620wdae.com audio player below.
November 17th, 2015 at 4:44 pm
I would also throw in his footwork…it has come a long way but still has a ways to go…GO BUCS!!!
November 17th, 2015 at 4:55 pm
Coming from a ‘stud’ like Dilfer, that means a lot!
November 17th, 2015 at 5:05 pm
Mike Evans does not like catching balls thrown with an elongated arc.
November 17th, 2015 at 5:09 pm
Panthers, LOL!
November 17th, 2015 at 5:12 pm
Having an elongated arc just means that he has to be better at looking off safeties and linebackers.
November 17th, 2015 at 5:12 pm
I wonder what Shaun King thinks about the throwing motion….
“Shaun King, one of two Buc Quarterbacks that lost a NFC Championship Game when his defense gave up 9 points.”
November 17th, 2015 at 5:21 pm
I was thinking on Sunday that his throwing motion looked like the big wind up was creeping back in more and more.
With everything we’ve seen from Jameis so far, there’s no doubt in my mind he will work his a$$ off in the offseason to correct his throwing motion (and footwork).
I am genuinely excited to see how good this kid will be in another year or 2. We finally have a franchise qb in Tampa.
November 17th, 2015 at 5:43 pm
TBBF, lol!!
November 17th, 2015 at 5:52 pm
A lot of fans were worried about winstons passes. He threw a lot of soft balls, lobs, for competitions and didn’t throw many lasers. I’m seeing more lasers and more drops from our receivers. I wonder if the 2 are correlated…. Our receivers just can’t handle a fast ball. It’s why jameis throws lobs, so it’s easy for them to catch.
November 17th, 2015 at 5:56 pm
Speaking for Pablo
“Pablo hates to admit it but Pablo also has a elongated arc. Pablo noticed a curvature…you know…..down there….Pablo went to the Doctor and he said it was something that started with a P…..but Pablo just calls it an elongated arc.
Now Hamus and Pablo have something in common other than Pablo’s love for the Bucs.”
November 17th, 2015 at 6:03 pm
Dilger is an idiot. Not every QB to ever play has a Dan Marino release or motion. Go back and look at QBs and even the good ones have a wide array of releases and motions.
Dan Fouts , Drew Bledsoe , Jim Kelly , Unitas , Young , Favre , Elway , Moon etc all had different releases and motions. Some werent text book but they still got the job done and had pretty darn good careers.
This myth that x and x and x is required for a QB is a bunch of bullcrap. Just something else the talking heads bring up when they want to act smart.
The only thing Winston needs to work on is having a consistent motion and release. Whether it is longer or faster or more compact doesnt matter. Just be consistent so there are less breakdowns in mechanics.
November 17th, 2015 at 6:06 pm
Jameis could end up being the Jim Furyk of football…..looking unorthodox but getting the job done!!!
November 17th, 2015 at 6:16 pm
Tampabaybucsfan … tell Pablo I couldn’t stop laughing. Also tell him that a little more tequila will fix his ‘elongated arc’ …
November 17th, 2015 at 6:32 pm
Can we a get weekly Pablo column?
November 17th, 2015 at 6:36 pm
@ DefenseRules
Speaking for Pablo
“Pablo used tequila for that other problem Pablo had “down there”…..the tequila killed every last one of them….but it burned a bit. Pablo is always thankful when his JBF friends give Pablo good advice”
November 17th, 2015 at 6:44 pm
I would prefer Dilfer stay the hell away from our quarterback when it comes to coaching technique. I was at a game where Dungy threw a challenge flag to negate a Dilfer interception because not only did he throw a pick, but he didn’t have the presence of mind to look down and see he was out of bounds.
And don’t give me the “Dilfer has a ring,” story. Dilfer has a ring because of the defense. The Ravens went 4 games without an offensive TD. They went 2-2 on that stretch.
November 17th, 2015 at 7:12 pm
What’s the origin of Speaking for Pablo? That’s always funny stuff.
November 17th, 2015 at 7:21 pm
Jameis needs to spend an offseason with pitching-guru-turned-quarterback guru Tom House who swears that throwing a baseball and a football are essentially the same. House has worked with and helped both Drew Brees and Tom Brady. Not bad company to be in class with. Both swear by his results,
November 17th, 2015 at 7:38 pm
Somebody call Trump.
We need a big beautiful wall between Dilfer and Jaboo.
November 17th, 2015 at 8:09 pm
@NashvilleBuc
The origin would be me……We used to have a poster on JBF named Pablo that referred to himself in third person…..I was amused and entertained by his somewhat incoherent posts. He had been gone for sometime so I decided to start speaking for him.
I’m glad you enjoy the humor…..which I think helps to make for lighthearted fun.
I appreciate that Joe permits me to “Speak for Pablo” and try to make the humor related to the article in some way.
November 17th, 2015 at 8:09 pm
+3 @ Macabee
November 17th, 2015 at 8:17 pm
I think it’s hilarious that haters bash Dilfer’s opinion. He achieved more at QB than most of the coaches in the NFL ever did. I guess none of the QB coaches currently employed by NFL teams are qualified to coach because they didn’t win a Superbowl like Dilfer did. Fact is, most people agree that Dilfer is correct about Jameis’ mechanics. All you have to do is watch and you can see he doesn’t seem to have an efficient or consistent motion, which most coaches would probably say results in inaccuracy. Hmmm, Jameis hasn’t been that accurate. Footwork, mechanics, timing… they all need work. But I believe Jameis is the kind of guy to focus on his weaknesses in order to be great. I want him to be able to surgically dissect defenses the way Brady does. Listen to Dilfer… I think Bajakian and Koetter are working with him on these things too. I’m glad we have Jameis, but he’s still got a lot of room for improvement.
November 17th, 2015 at 8:44 pm
I agree with Mcabee,but alot of Qbs throwing motion is not consistent,when they are on the move,you know scrambling.I see Rogers and Brees throw the ball side arm, off one foot,pitch it out with one hand I mean how ever they can complete a pass,but if this is gonna help him to be more accurate then so be it,now if we can get Joey Galloway to teach Mike Evans to catch the damn balls…Sarcasm Thanks Trent for your help,not.
November 17th, 2015 at 9:00 pm
I also love the Pablo comments
November 17th, 2015 at 9:20 pm
So Bucs fans can expect 20% improvement in Winston’s accuracy after offseason adjustments. That’ll help.
November 17th, 2015 at 9:27 pm
He reminds me of Byron Leftwich every time he throws like that.
November 17th, 2015 at 9:29 pm
That crap. No quarterback has perfect form when he is under pressure. Jameis Winston is always escaping the pocket under pressure or getting hit after throwing the football. Tom Brandy looks good because he has all day to throw the ball. When Brady is under pressure he is off and throws interceptions just like any other quarter back.
November 17th, 2015 at 11:19 pm
I love that Pablo likes table dancing for 87 and The Realist!
November 17th, 2015 at 11:47 pm
I hate Trent F Dilfer. If he went away and was never heard from again, it would be to soon
November 18th, 2015 at 5:23 am
Dilfer is paid to talk and get a reaction. So, that’s what he does.
Jameis has a reasonable chance, with the return of Jackson and Jenkins, to set the record for passing yds in a season for the bucs in his rookie year.
Just think what he could do if he actually listens to Dilfer and learns how to throw a football.
November 18th, 2015 at 9:16 pm
I recall Pablo posting, he was hilarious and you do a great job posting as him lol