Give Frazier Back The Keys
November 6th, 2015
Popular sports radio and television personality Adam Schein has an idea to fix the Bucs defense.
Watching the defense of the Bucs — make no mistake, it’s Lovie Smith’s defense — gives Joe gas.
And it has nothing to do with the kraut on Joe’s brats.
The pass defense makes Joe do facepalms all afternoon on gamedays. It’s bad enough Tampa Bay struggles getting quarterbacks on the ground, but that secondary, woof!
The only way Joe finds perverse pleasure is watching Mike Jenkins celebrate after he gets roasted by an opposing wide receiver and sees the pass bounce off his hands.
Of course, Joe gets Twitter messages all the time searching for answers on the roster, but there are no answers. Benching guys now is little more than moving around the furniture.
Popular sports radio and television personality Adam Schein has been researching how Lovie can fix the defense. The answer is on the Bucs sidelines, Schein believes, but not on the roster.
The answer? Give the keys to the defense back to shoved aside defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier, Schein typed on NFL.com.
Frazier should be calling the defensive plays, while Lovie should focus on managing the team. The head man already has too much on his plate, given that he has full autonomy on the 53-man roster.
Yes, the Bucs are currently 3-4. But they should be 4-3. Two weeks ago, Tampa Bay inexplicably blew a 24-0 lead over the Kirk Cousins-led Redskins. That’s a devastating loss that just can’t happen. And since Lovie picks the players and calls the defensive plays, it’s a devastating loss that falls squarely on his overloaded shoulders.
As the head man, Smith needs to delegate duties. It’s time for Lovie to return the reins to Leslie.
At this point, how can it be worse with Frazier back in control? The Bucs defense, Lovie’s defense, is worse this year than it was when it coughed up 14 games on the way to winning the Chase for Jameis.
Of course, a cynic would say if Lovie has less time to control the defense, then he may poke his nose around the offense — and that offense doesn’t need his influence.
November 6th, 2015 at 7:40 am
The offense doesn’t need Lovie.
The defense doesn’t need Lovie.
Why did he take over play calling duties in the first place!?
November 6th, 2015 at 7:50 am
Last time we played Eli in 2012 he threw for over 500 yards.
But Lovie Smith ruined our defense.
Laughable nonsense.
November 6th, 2015 at 8:01 am
Yes the pass defense is horrendous and there is no rush from the DEs
But…..
The truth is the Bucs are as good as half the teams in the NFL!
They are middle of the pack in pass d, Sacks, overall d.
They are top third in rush defense yards and yards per carry and 2nd in fumbles.
The problem–
INTs are bottom third and a problem.
Red zone d is a problem.
Completion % is a problem.
If they created 2-3 more Incompletions per game, which resulted in one FG instead of a TD and 1-2 less first downs when it is 3rd…..
They’d be middle of the pack or better in everything, including points.
My point is, yes it has looked bad, believe me I know, I played CB in college, but a little pressure and a step or two in the right position from DBs and they are not that far off.
November 6th, 2015 at 8:08 am
Schein is a NY blowhard who wouldn’t know football if it whopped him upside the head. This is the same dummy who thought the Bucs were fools for taking “America’s QB”.
November 6th, 2015 at 8:10 am
One last point … We tend to watch the Bucs more obviously, but the reality is half the NFL teams out there have defenses just as bad (except points allowed, which is huge… The red zone d needs to turn 1 td into a Fg and they be middle of the pack and probably 4-5 wins)
Basically there are s lot of bad defenses out there and the NYG are worse.
I expect a win this week.
November 6th, 2015 at 8:11 am
Probably a good idea but very hard to do…..it would be clearly admitting a mistake….should have never taken over to begin with….Lovie had a scapegoat in Frazier…..now everything points to him.
November 6th, 2015 at 8:52 am
Glad you are happy being good as half the teams… that’s a losers mentality. being satisfied with mediocrity is pathetic.
Lovie Can’t pick free agent players
Lovie Cant’t coach game days
Lovie Can’t take advantage of star players skill set (LVD)
Lovie Can’t make adjustments game-day or scheme
Lovie Can’t call plays
Why is this fool in charge of anything much less everything….
Thankfully Jameis is progressing thanks to Koetter.
November 6th, 2015 at 9:07 am
Haha good read.
Playing with my emotions here tho. I’m thinking “ya, give those controls back to Frazier” then “dam, you’re right, don’t let him mess with the Offense” .. and finish with “if he only screws up anything he touches, then wtf is he doing as our coach”
November 6th, 2015 at 9:14 am
All off season everyone raved about how Frazier had the d playing top 10 to end the season. Now Lovie takes over and the d looks worse than it has since Raheem’s last year.
Lovie took a 4-12 team and made it worse now he’s taken over the d and made it worse.
Guy is a joke
November 6th, 2015 at 9:17 am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle
November 6th, 2015 at 9:24 am
Never said I was glad, but thanks for putting words in my mouth. I am just pointing out the facts.
We are acting like they’re the worse D in the NFL that it simply not the fact.
They are a rebuilding project from last year, I am simply pointing out they are on the right track, closer than people think, and just a few players away. Namely DE And DB.
November 6th, 2015 at 9:35 am
Once again there’s Joe being critical of Lovie and his defense. This is where OneLovie and Jab83 skip right over those words as if they were never even typed. They will come on these threads and insist that us posters be banned from posting on this site if anything about Lovie looks to be negative.
Just read the freaking articles and listen to the Joe’s on the radio. Then after that leave us the hell alone and go after Joe’s.
November 6th, 2015 at 9:41 am
Tampa Tony Says:
November 6th, 2015 at 9:14 am
“Lovie took a 4-12 team and made it worse now he’s taken over the d and made it worse.”
BINGO!
Lovie came in here saying, “but we were a 4-12 team last year.” Said stuff like “we don’t expect our fans to be patient.” Then the team goes to 2-14. Now if Lovie was making such a big deal about that “4-12 team” as a reference that they sucked, then what’s that make his 2-14 team? More sucky than Schiano’s?
Yes and you know I’m right!
November 6th, 2015 at 9:54 am
Eric Says:
November 6th, 2015 at 7:50 am
Last time we played Eli in 2012 he threw for over 500 yards.
But Lovie Smith ruined our defense.
Laughable nonsense.
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This is by far the worst kind of Lovie nut riding. So Eli might ONLY put up 450 Sunday. He sure has done a bang up job. 10 year extension!
November 6th, 2015 at 10:05 am
Hey folks answers aren’t as simple as they seem. Until you put on the headsets and attend the meetings, observe practices, you’re just speculating. I don’t think Frazier could do any better. It’s all about the talent on the field. If it’s not there (physically, emotionally, mentally psychologically) then change during a season is very difficult. My 2 cents.
November 6th, 2015 at 10:08 am
Lovie sucks
November 6th, 2015 at 10:08 am
This guy was the biggest jameis hater
November 6th, 2015 at 10:13 am
The owners need to step in and give Licht total control of roster as long as Lovie wants to play D coordinator. Licht has earned that right and my God he can’t do much worse with all the ex Lovie players that have have been brought in and suck.
November 6th, 2015 at 10:18 am
Didn’t you know BucMania? Licht is responsible for all the bad decisions since Lovie was hired. And all the good decisions? He gets no credit at all for those, that’s 100% Lovie.
November 6th, 2015 at 10:30 am
We need a top d coordinator, spmeone intense. That mixed with Lovies even temperment would be a good mix. I think Fraziers personality is a lil too similar to our head coach. Bring in a quality dc to go with our quality oc and let Lovie and licht run the team. Cant wait to see this defensive draft we’re about to have (assuming there is no major drop off from where we currently stand).
November 6th, 2015 at 10:33 am
No nut riding, just pointing out facts.
Our defense was horrific before Lovie got here.
Only one draft choice on defense. Another fact. (looing like a really good draft pic) So by no means is this Lovie’s defense.
I guarantee the Lovie haters would have tried to run Jeff Fisher or Marvin Lewis out of town.
Because they have no concept of how long a rebuild takes.
Lovie has done an excellent job bringing in young talent and is in the process of turning this thing around.
November 6th, 2015 at 10:48 am
Eric Says:
November 6th, 2015 at 10:33 am
No nut riding, just pointing out facts.
Our defense was horrific before Lovie got here.
Only one draft choice on defense. Another fact. (looing like a really good draft pic) So by no means is this Lovie’s defense.
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No, this is pure nut riding. Our defense is worse than Schiano’s last year (you are conveniently comparing it to his first year). Lovie also ran off the best CB in the game (which is always ignored by the nut riders), and yeah, this is his defense. 75% of those guys are hand selected by him (doesn’t even include super bust Michael Johnson). The “no draft picks on defense” argument is really weak too. Was a gun to his head saying “you must draft offense with every pick?”. Weak argument.
Marvin Lewis has…0 playoff wins. I’m glad they’re excited to be 9-0 (they get the Texans next week so…9-0), but no one cares until it’s the playoffs. And if they go one and done, Marvin is almost certainly fired. Jeff Fisher? 0 playoff wins since 2003. But he has maximized Mark Barron, whereas Lovie didn’t because he’s not good at maximizing players talents.
You’re acting like you just mentioned top level coaches as examples to stay the course, instead you basically embarrassed yourself by choosing two coaches who combined have 2 playoff wins in the last 15 years. You sound excited to never win anything.
November 6th, 2015 at 10:55 am
The team is getting better overall despite the lost leads meltdowns. The team improves with every game. Opponents now expect a battle from the Bucs and increasingly are getting just that. It all starts with Winston managing the ability to score with few mistakes. No slipping back now, full sails ahead.
November 6th, 2015 at 10:55 am
Eric : Tony Dungy first year 6-10 Second year 10-6.
You’re right it just takes forever…..
November 6th, 2015 at 11:01 am
and dan quinn weird he has the Falcons humming in his first year….and weird jack del rio has the raiders in a spot to get to the playoffs in year 1
lovie sucks lets let him get another year to go 6-10 while the raiders and falcons turn the corner
November 6th, 2015 at 11:16 am
@bucrightoff
“Was a gun to his head saying “you must draft offense with every pick?”. Weak argument.”
That’s a NEGATIVE GHOST RIDER! The only thing WEAK is YOU and ANY POINT YOU BRING UP! Allow me to SHUT YOU DOWN AGAIN!!
We can all agree(I hope) that Lovie came into Tampa and took over a HORRIBLE ROSTER built by YEARS AND YEARS OF BAD DRAFTING! This team had HOLES all over the place! we STRUGGLED on BOTH SIDES OF THE BALL, had MRSA OUTBREAKS, and had players posing like Michael Jackson!!
We had a HORRIBLE SEASON last year that put us in a position to draft a future franchise QB and we did. They HAD to draft pieces around Jameis to protect him and make sure they were doing EVERYTHING they can to allow Jameis to succeed!!
Let’s look at the defensive side of the ball! This team was FULL OF SCRUBS(still is). Ladies and Gentlemen, when you HAVE to bring in guys like Larry English, Chris Conte, Mike Jenkins, and Major Wright, then THAT MEANS YOU HAVE SERIOUS PERSONNEL ISSUES!!! Let’s also note that YOU DO NOT BUILD A DEFENSE THROUGH FREE AGENCY!!! I DON’T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES I HAVE TO SAY THIS!! All you “non-sensical radicals” can’t wrap your head around this FUNDAMENTAL FACT! YOU DO NOT BUILD A DEFENSE THROUGH FREE AGENCY!!!
Sorry to plug another article Joseph, but these guys need to be taken to school. Let’s ask the architect of arguably the best defense in football now how HE BUILT THE DRAFT!
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/john-elway–hall-of-fame-quarterback–has-built-the-nfl-s-best-defense-225841422.html
Looks like A LOT OF DRAFT PICKS TO ME!!!
Another “non-sensical radical” SHUTDOWN!
“And another one BITES, ANOTHER ONE BITES THE DUST!!”
THANK YOU AGAIN!! I’M HERE ALL WEEK!!!
“It’s as simple as that” – Lovie Smith
“Changing coaches about halfway through a rebuilding effort is a recipe for perpetual failure.” – Johnny “America’s Commenter” Dejay
“If Lovie don’t no how to coach so be it… Hard to believe he would get a job offer and you wouldn’t…. Wonder why??? Your idiots that’s why…” – JAB83
“So my advice would be, yes, it’s okay to throw things at your TV when your team has a monumental collapse like the Bucs did on Sunday in Washington. But take a deep breath and understand that it is only going to get worse if you continue to jump from one coach to the next.” – Peter King
November 6th, 2015 at 11:19 am
If Frazier couldn’t do any better than that isn’t saying much for L.S.
November 6th, 2015 at 11:24 am
OneLovie….can answer the question as to why you never criticize the Joes for being so negative about Lovie’s D? Can you answer that question just one time? I’d love to hear your reasoning behind it.
November 6th, 2015 at 11:25 am
Does Lovie allow you to post so early OneLove? Aren’t you supposed to be swallowing his load right now? Either way the Lovie jism has really messed up your head. I mean look at that random capitalization of words and poor use of grammar. Reads like someone with a sub 70 IQ. I feel for you, but soon enough Lovie will be gone and you can finally breathe again without his nuts in your mouth. We’re praying for you man, don’t worry
November 6th, 2015 at 11:26 am
“Watching the defense of the Bucs — make no mistake, it’s Lovie Smith’s defense — gives Joe gas.”
“And it has nothing to do with the kraut on Joe’s brats.”
“The pass defense makes Joe do facepalms all afternoon on gamedays. It’s bad enough Tampa Bay struggles getting quarterbacks on the ground, but that secondary, woof!”
Criticize THAT!
November 6th, 2015 at 11:27 am
Joe….I never had gastritis my entire life until this season. So I hear ya, I crunch Tums like candy…
November 6th, 2015 at 11:28 am
bucrightoff…lol I see you brought out your flame-thrower today.
November 6th, 2015 at 11:32 am
“When the squirrels are throwing acorns at the lion eventually the lion bites.” –Buc1987
November 6th, 2015 at 11:40 am
Fight fire with fire I guess 87 lol. But I mean it’s just shocking the stringent defenses Lovie is getting from some posters. I mean if we fired Lovie right now, they’d be posting that it’s a catastrophic mistake that will set our franchise back 10 years. Like Lovie is borderline irreplaceable, if we fire him we’ll never get as good a coach ever again. I just can’t understand it, clearly it’s from people who haven’t fully examined his record as a coach.
I think they’re all of the opinion that since he went to a SB with Rex Grossman, with a Jameis, should he reach his potential, he should win 4 Super Bowls at a minimum. I’m reading them right, they want a draft full of defense, which means next year is another total write off, and they basically want Lovie to get 4 or even all 5 years of his contract. Even if he never has a winning season in that, they’ll be cool because it’s “progress”….even as once again, we’re in last place. We are far, far behind Carolina and far behind Atlanta. Even New Orleans, who they all thought was dead, looks better than we do again.
I admire they’re commitment I suppose, even if it’s horribly misguided. I also know that when we do get a new coach and he’s better than Lovie, they’ll disappear or pop up with new names.
November 6th, 2015 at 11:40 am
bucrightoff Says:
November 6th, 2015 at 11:25 am
Does Lovie allow you to post so early OneLove? Aren’t you supposed to be swallowing his load right now? Either way the Lovie jism has really messed up your head. I mean look at that random capitalization of words and poor use of grammar. Reads like someone with a sub 70 IQ. I feel for you, but soon enough Lovie will be gone and you can finally breathe again without his nuts in your mouth. We’re praying for you man, don’t worry
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Just in case there are any kids out there reading these posts. Kids, this is a classic sign of defeat. A waiving of the white flag if you will. It’s an example of someone GETTING DESTROYED in an argument and resorting to child like tactics(grammar police, etc.) to try and save face and make himself feel better about himself. While this tactic can make you feel better in the short term, it’s a lot like masturbation… Sure it feels good at first, but in the end…. you’re only f!%@!% yourself!!
“It’s as simple as that” – Lovie Smith
“Changing coaches about halfway through a rebuilding effort is a recipe for perpetual failure.” – Johnny “America’s Commenter” Dejay
“If Lovie don’t no how to coach so be it… Hard to believe he would get a job offer and you wouldn’t…. Wonder why??? Your idiots that’s why…” – JAB83
“So my advice would be, yes, it’s okay to throw things at your TV when your team has a monumental collapse like the Bucs did on Sunday in Washington. But take a deep breath and understand that it is only going to get worse if you continue to jump from one coach to the next.” – Peter King
November 6th, 2015 at 11:48 am
“I admire they’re commitment I suppose, even if it’s horribly misguided. I also know that when we do get a new coach and he’s better than Lovie, they’ll disappear or pop up with new names.”
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That’s the exact opposite of what is going to happen. IF we do get a new coach, I will support him/her and probably be arguing against all you “non-sensical radicals” AGAIN about how he/she SHOULD NOT GET FIRED AFTER ONLY 2 YEARS!!!!!
“It’s as simple as that” – Lovie Smith
“Changing coaches about halfway through a rebuilding effort is a recipe for perpetual failure.” – Johnny “America’s Commenter” Dejay
“If Lovie don’t no how to coach so be it… Hard to believe he would get a job offer and you wouldn’t…. Wonder why??? Your idiots that’s why…” – JAB83
“So my advice would be, yes, it’s okay to throw things at your TV when your team has a monumental collapse like the Bucs did on Sunday in Washington. But take a deep breath and understand that it is only going to get worse if you continue to jump from one coach to the next.” – Peter King
November 6th, 2015 at 11:48 am
QUICK!
Someone get the fire extinguisher OneLovie has been torched.
Stop, drop and roll…
November 6th, 2015 at 11:54 am
His buddy JAB83 will be here to put the fire out.
November 6th, 2015 at 11:54 am
Buc1987 Says:
November 6th, 2015 at 11:48 am
QUICK!
Someone get the fire extinguisher OneLovie has been torched.
Stop, drop and roll…
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This actually made me laugh… Thanks…. Go ahead and tell yourself whatever you need to make yourself feel better. I’m cool with it and regardless of what you may think… I love you…. BTW, my offer still stands. If you want to meet at RJS and talk about how Jesus can save you, let me know. Let’s ask him to take all that hate and anger away from you! It’s such a burden for you to carry alone….
November 6th, 2015 at 11:54 am
Thanks for entertaining us at work OneLove. I know you have a job that’s less than ideal, but someone has to take the money shot every now and then. At least you’re giving us some laughs. We do appreciate it sir. Now back under Lovie’s desk, you don’t want to disappoint him!
November 6th, 2015 at 12:01 pm
Lieutenant Dan: Have you found Jesus yet, Gump?
Forrest Gump: I didn’t know I was supposed to be looking for him, sir.
Forrest Gump: I’m going to heaven, Lieutenant Dan.
Lieutenant Dan: Yeah? Well… before you go, why don’t you get your ass down to the corner and get us another bottle of ripple?
November 6th, 2015 at 12:15 pm
If they fire Lovie which they should and the new coach makes as many ridiculous moves and looses 18 games in less than 2 years, I will be spouting off at what a turd this guy is, lovie does not deserve another year unless the bucs win out or at the least go 9-7…how is the Lions GM doing that traded some crap K for tim wright…fire lovie
November 6th, 2015 at 12:16 pm
Now back under Lovie’s desk, you don’t want to disappoint him!
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Rotf, I’m crying ova here.
November 6th, 2015 at 12:30 pm
@bucrightoff
hahaha, the feeling is mutual babe! Since you’re at work you might want to ask some of your co workers(assuming that they’re also idiots) for some help!(Dont worry, I won’t hold it against you.. Lord knows you need it.) I mean you have been nothing but EASY WORK so far. EASY BREEZY BABY!
“It’s as simple as that” – Lovie Smith
“Changing coaches about halfway through a rebuilding effort is a recipe for perpetual failure.” – Johnny “America’s Commenter” Dejay
“If Lovie don’t no how to coach so be it… Hard to believe he would get a job offer and you wouldn’t…. Wonder why??? Your idiots that’s why…” – JAB83
“So my advice would be, yes, it’s okay to throw things at your TV when your team has a monumental collapse like the Bucs did on Sunday in Washington. But take a deep breath and understand that it is only going to get worse if you continue to jump from one coach to the next.” – Peter King
November 6th, 2015 at 1:42 pm
This was an epic day of laughter for me on JBF.
Thanks to all that contributed to it. I’ve needed some really good laughs lately. My Autistic daughter has been home from school all week, because she wants to go to a carnival in town. It finally starts tonight, but the screaming and hollering from her all week, all day long about not being able to go to the carnival has had me on edge. The perfect way to describe my daughter is Hoffman in Rain Man. She has limited speech and only says things in short sentences. Very similar to Rain Man. So I’ve heard the words Carnival, Ride, Fair repeated to me over and over again about 50-60 times a day. For the whole damn week. It’s very stressful. Picture it like this Rain Man after doing 3 lines of coke. Wake up the next day and do it all over again. All that while my doc says to avoid alcohol, weed, and stress.
Yes I did need to laugh. So thanks very much.
November 6th, 2015 at 1:52 pm
Onelovie- can u please explain how Frazier had this d playing better to end 2014 than Lovie has it playing now? Keep in mind that Lovie brought in players familiar with his scheme to make the defense better.
I’m just trying to get some insight of why you defend this coach so adamantly
November 6th, 2015 at 2:21 pm
BUC87 you the man!!!!
November 6th, 2015 at 2:53 pm
This selective recall on this defense is driving a bias… not saying they don’t need an infusion of talent from the next draft.
Year Our Defense Our team record
2008 ~ 23rd in points allowed ~ 9-7
2009 ~ 6th in points allowed ~ 3-13
2010 ~ 24th in points allowed ~ 10-6
2011~ 1st in points allowed ~ 4-12
2012 ~ 10th in points allowed ~ 7-9
2013 ~ 12th in points allowed ~ 4-12
2014 ~ 8th in points allowed ~ 2-14
2015 ~ 11th in points allowed ~ 3-4
Now that we have an offense capable of 30+ Things begin to shift.
November 6th, 2015 at 3:01 pm
87
My daughter did the same to me last week. She was all “Mickey Mickey daddy Mickey Mouse we going to see Mickey Minnie.” I feel your pain brother.
Btw my son has asbergurgers so again, I can relate.
November 6th, 2015 at 3:20 pm
DB55…it’s tough man. The older she gets, the older I get. The harder it gets. 5 more days of antibiotics and I’m hitting the bottle of Jack. It’s been nearly 3 months now of illness. 1 drink and I’ll be drunker than a monkey.
November 6th, 2015 at 4:00 pm
At least you not spending $1500 a week on herb no more. Lol
November 6th, 2015 at 5:33 pm
87 – The forest gump thing cracked me up! Nice one!
November 6th, 2015 at 9:35 pm
DB55…lol you’re the one that added that extra zero. Not me.
November 7th, 2015 at 7:37 am
do either one of them impress you?…I’m sorry but Lovie is a rock…frazier is that guy that gets too many opportunities that he doesn’t deserve….until they get rid of the dumb on this team you will never feel like you really won….more like barely hanging on