Peter King Calls For Loser Mentality In Tampa
October 28th, 2015
Joe has had enough of the backwards thinking of too many fans and media types when it comes to retaining an NFL head coach.
Continuity is terrific for building a winning football team, but continuity is worthless when the boss isn’t performing and the employees aren’t responding.
Coaches doing horrific jobs out of the gate for two years do not improve and win Super Bowls with their teams. It doesn’t happen in the modern NFL. Keeping a proven loser coach around is just bad, bad business and a disservice to fans.
Joe’s intentionally not being specific to Lovie Smith. Sure, this wise approach would apply to Lovie, if he can’t right the Bucs’ ship in the next 10 games. But Joe’s really talking about the big picture for any team.
Head coaches performing properly see their teams grow over their first two years, and play competitive football consistently. If not, then giving that head coach a third year is just a terrible investment and a waste of fans’ time.
It’s much like re-signing a wide receiver for big bucks that has problems catching the football. (See 2009)
However, there are a various dreamers out there who don’t get it, including Yogi Berra-worshiping, urinal picture-taking, video game-playing, Taylor Swift-listening, pickpocket-thwarting, Bucs-uniform-frowning, Allie-LaForce-smitten, Big-Ten-Network-hating, pedestrian-bumping, olive oil-lapping, popcorn-munching, coffee-slurping, fried-chicken-eating, oatmeal-loving, circle-jerking, beer-chugging, cricket-watching, scone-loathing, college football-naïve, baseball-box-score-reading, NPR-honk, filthy-hotel-staying, fight-instigating, barista-training Peter King, of Sports Illustrated and NBC Sports fame.
King’s online mailbag today features a question from a Bucs fan wanting to know how long it will be until Lovie gets fired.
Here’s an excerpt of King’s long response:
… So here we are now, seven games into the era of a new quarterback and 23 games into the era of a new coach. And you want to start over. I’m not saying that Lovie Smith is certainly going to be the answer, and I’m not saying that he has had a great run so far in Tampa, but one of the problems that I see with teams that make coaching changes every two or three years is that you don’t develop any patience. Tampa was never going to be a quick fix, especially with a new quarterback. So my advice would be, yes, it’s okay to throw things at your TV when your team has a monumental collapse like the Bucs did on Sunday in Washington. But take a deep breath and understand that it is only going to get worse if you continue to jump from one coach to the next.
It’s just silly talk to claim things will “get worse” in Tampa — or anywhere — just because there’s a coaching change.
Four first-time head coaches in the NFL have soared recently. Todd Bowles and Dan Quinn this year, Bill O’Brien last year, and Mike Zimmer is thriving.
Joe hopes Lovie figures out his defensive mess and wins football games in a league built for parity. If not, then Joe is confident Team Glazer will not delay the inevitable.
October 28th, 2015 at 10:10 am
Totally agree with you here Joe.
Let’s let Peter King write 18 out of his next 22 columns without using any vowels, tell us it’s “his system” and that it needs time to work, and see how long he keeps his job.
October 28th, 2015 at 10:11 am
“Tampa was never going to be a quick fix, especially with a new quarterback.”
WTF that got to with what happened Sunday? Blowing a 24 point lead isnt about quick fix. It’s about quick quitting!
October 28th, 2015 at 10:11 am
If the new regime keeps Koetter, how could the defense, strategy, timeouts, penalties, lack of second half adjustments get any worse??
October 28th, 2015 at 10:12 am
Campbell, Harbaugh, Maddon, Steve Kerr the list goes on and on ….
October 28th, 2015 at 10:13 am
The only question that needs to be answered to firing Lovie is this: Will Lovie become a better “gameday coach” in the future? …my answer is NO…he’s clueless with “in game decisions” and what is the sense of keeping someone who you know will f*ck up when, god forbid, we play a meaningful playoff game or for a championship…continuity shouldn’t be taken into account with this situation….
October 28th, 2015 at 10:15 am
I am pissed to Joe but cant you see what you are writing? I mean Bill O’Brien his team is a train wreak as well. Bowels, Quinn, and Zimmer what have they done exactly? This is the problem you guys would rather win a few games here and there than stick it out and maybe have a chance at it all in the future. This is why Gruden was fired he only cared about now! Yes this sucks but the team has not drafted more than one defensive player in two years and guess what part of the team is the worst, THE DEFENSIVE who would guessed that? In addition you say it cant get worse but didnt you say that about Raheem and didnt say that about Schiano? Of course you did and guess what it is worse because we change coaches, schemes, and position coaches every few years. Look at the best teams, Ravens, Steelers, Patriots, Packers, Seahawks, Giants and they all have the same thing in common a staff and organization that has been together for awhile it is not that hard to see.
October 28th, 2015 at 10:18 am
Bad teams hire coaches every two years because they make poor hires to begin with. Remember why the Glazer dopes hired Raheem? Because they were afraid he might end up getting the Broncos job (that ultimately went to Josh McDaniels lol). Such wonderful logic for choosing your coach. Firing Lovie is neccessary and badly needed, but does anyone trust the Glazer dopes to get it right this time?
October 28th, 2015 at 10:19 am
There you have it. The Bucs were never going to be a quick fix and anyone who believed that they were is only fooling themselves. Peter King is absolutely right that things will get worse if you jump from one coach to the next. The Bucs jumped from Gruden, to Radio, to Schiano, and now to Lovie and during that time the Bucs have gotten worse over that stretch.
I’m not sure what makes this particular “Joe” believe that the next guy is going to be the right hire. Lovie is who the Glazers wanted. It’s not backwards thinking to desire patience and consistency out of your football franchise. Firing Lovie is not going to produce a different result than what we have seen over the past six years. History with this team and with others (i.e. Raiders, Browns, Redskins) that have behaved the same way bears this out.
October 28th, 2015 at 10:20 am
“Continuity is terrific for building a winning football team, but continuity is worthless when the boss isn’t performing and the employees aren’t responding.”
Thank you Joe.
October 28th, 2015 at 10:20 am
I think Dirk is a good coach and best OC we’ve had since Chucky. Leslie Frazier is the same coach as Lovie when it comes to defense, so why is Lovie needed at this point? He’s not and they need a real DC next year with a heavy defensive draft. I hope Lovie can make his defense work but it’s not looking good. I also don’t like how Lovie defended the conservative offense approach. It makes me think he made those calls instead of Dirk, which is a bad move.
October 28th, 2015 at 10:20 am
Yes. Way worse if there is coaching change. I agree with him. Steelers patriots packers have the same coach for years and now winners. Bengals stuck with Marvin lewis and undefeated with a few playoff under his belt. Yes the freaking Bengals. While we pout about a changing coach? Really did anyone expect any les or more about our current state. Redskins are were better before and after that game. That’s sports when teams come back win. It happens. Many times. We r in rebuilding mode. Not that team yet. There is no pressure on Lovie to win now under no circumstances. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
October 28th, 2015 at 10:22 am
BiggieMac- good point. I also suspected that the bad offensive calls in that game were when incompetent Lovie Smith overruled his OC. I think Schiano was admittedly guilty of the same thing.
October 28th, 2015 at 10:24 am
People using the “continuity” argument are also forgetting that usually applies to rookie, first tiem NFL coaches getting 3 years at least. Lovie had a 9 year book on him as a coach before he got here so that doesn’t apply nearly as much. We’re seeing the kind of results you expect from a first time coach, not a coach about the have his 7th missed playoff season in 8. Reread that again if you think Lovie is a good coach. 1 playoff appearance in his last 8 years? Everyone defending him acts like he’s just a QB away from Belichick status. Please….
October 28th, 2015 at 10:28 am
@joe
Can you ask Lovie about the timeout call with 4:45 left in the 4th when the trainers just walked out onto the field. What happened there and why?
October 28th, 2015 at 10:28 am
The picture in this post solves one of the great all-time mysteries……
It’s been speculation, rumor, etc., but now we have proof:
THERE REALLY IS A FOURTH STOOGE!!!!!!
October 28th, 2015 at 10:34 am
@joe don’t forget jack del rio and bruce arians too. Looks like Miami looks good too. King (a national guy) doesn’t know the ends and outs of what the locals do. The rookie qb is not the problem. It would be one thing if the D was lights out and we had a young qb that was blowing games but thats not what’s going on. We have a qb that is playing like a vet, a strong run game and a D that stinks bc of the guy making the calls on the field and with personel… Fire Lovie!
October 28th, 2015 at 10:37 am
Worse than this? Hahaha
October 28th, 2015 at 10:37 am
In baseball when a pitcher gives up 10 runs in the first 3 innings, he is set down for the day. If he does it over and over, well, he could always be a plumber.
October 28th, 2015 at 10:38 am
DallasBuc Says:
October 28th, 2015 at 10:22 am
BiggieMac- good point. I also suspected that the bad offensive calls in that game were when incompetent Lovie Smith overruled his OC. I think Schiano was admittedly guilty of the same thing.
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I’m pretty sure Lovie told Jameis to stop using audibles. Their first trip inside the 10yard line JW audibles to Dye for a score but the second time when the def overloaded to line JW did not audible. At the Presser Lovie said that was bad coaching on his part.
October 28th, 2015 at 10:43 am
Right. Lets stick with Loser Lovie for the sake of continuity. What a ridiculous mindset. The defense is beyond awful but the offense has shown vast improvements. The only continuity I’m worried about is on offense. Fire Lovie, promote Koetter to HC, and let Frazier resume calling the defensive plays. If the defense improves you keep Frazier, otherwise you hire a new DC after the season. Also gotta take the training wheels off Licht and let him become a true GM. He’s proven himself in the draft.
October 28th, 2015 at 10:47 am
We’re only 6 games in, silly Peter King…
October 28th, 2015 at 10:54 am
Tampa was never going to be a quick fix, especially with the guy’s at the top, calling the shots. Coaching hires have been horrendous.
October 28th, 2015 at 10:55 am
Last part of 2014 we were told the defense was top 10 under Leslie, now Lovie takes over and the defense regresses?
The same people who said the defense improved under Frazier are now claiming Lovie needs 2 drafts to get the d fixed. Sounds like excusea and BS to me.
Lovie sucks, simple as that
October 28th, 2015 at 10:58 am
No Joseph!! The only thing SILLY is you trying to argue against Peter King!!
“Four first-time head coaches in the NFL have soared recently. Todd Bowles and Dan Quinn this year, Bill O’Brien last year, and Mike Zimmer is thriving.”
Let’s take a step back before you get your cult excited and look at the details…
Todd Bowles walked into a STACKED Jets team. Please don’t be dumb and try to argue against this…
Dan Quinn took over a team that made the NFC Championship just a FEW YEARS AGO!!! I understand they lack talent in certain areas, but the foundation was already established! Don’t be dumb and try to argue against this…
Bill O’Brien is on the verge of losing the locker room!! There is NO EXCUSE for their defense to be THAT BAD with the likes of JJ Watt, Vince Wilfork, and Clowney!! Please don’t be dumb and try to say the Bucs have as much talent as the Texans on defense…
Mike Zimmer took over a team that arguably has the best running back in the country! He also drafted a foundation of defensive players in Anthony Barr and Xavier Rhodes!(something Lovie hasn’t had a chance to do yet).
Your honor…. The defense rests…
“It’s as simple as that” – Lovie Smith
“So my advice would be, yes, it’s okay to throw things at your TV when your team has a monumental collapse like the Bucs did on Sunday in Washington. But take a deep breath and understand that it is only going to get worse if you continue to jump from one coach to the next.” – Peter King
Thanks for the laugh. This was quite funny, especially the part about Adrian Peterson, who didn’t play last year, and ignoring the Falcons’ back-to-back 4-12 records, and for thinking the Jets were stacked with no QB, and for discounting Bill O’Brien going 9-7 last year. –Joe
October 28th, 2015 at 11:14 am
I think you made some very good points OneLove especially about the Jets and Falcons. They had consistency and stability in that organization for years. They did not have 3 head coaches in 6 years. I’m not sure why Bill O’Brien is even mentioned in the article. That entire team is in worse shape than the Bucs. Heck, it goes to show you that the Buccaneers addressed the #1 and #2 need in the draft which was QB and key O-Line positions which is something the Texans desperately need help with.
As for the Vikings, yes you’re right as well here. None of Lovie’s “guys” are here on long term deals. I believe there is a plan in place. The Bucs are rebuilding now. What do you guys think rebuilding entails?
October 28th, 2015 at 11:17 am
Onelovie- I heard you and a few others say this offseason that the defense to end 2014 was playing well under Frazier.
So Frazier could get them playing decent but Lovie can’t get at least that kind of production from almost the same personnel? Now he needs 2-3 defensive drafts?
How is it Frazier could get the defense playing better but Lovie can’t?
October 28th, 2015 at 11:21 am
D Rome- joe beat me to it, but the inaccuracies in Onelovies post is so incorrect it’s not even funny.
O’Brien won more in one season than Lovie might in his whole Bucs career
October 28th, 2015 at 11:24 am
It’s all about talent.. And the Bucs had what. 5 maybe. Out of 53. Defense has maybe 2 or 3 that would be starters on most teams. Come on.. Not a fan of Lovie. But if DIrk doesn’t stay as OC then it was a wasted year for JW. Stupid to fire Lovie if the new HC doesn’t want DK. What HC isn’t going to want to hand pick their OC and DC? Who are you going to get to replace Lovie?! The devil you know is sometimes better than the devil you don’t.
October 28th, 2015 at 11:25 am
This logic works if you have a good head coach that will be in demand if you fire him does anyone believe after we fire Lovie he will get another head coaching job in the NFL. So why would anyone think that Lovie is a good coach and can lead us to victories. Now when we fired Gruden that was a dumb move he is still in demand and could be a head coach again in the NFL when every he wants to return.
October 28th, 2015 at 11:26 am
I agree @D-Rome… Just more of the same.
October 28th, 2015 at 11:26 am
flawed logic. we were right to fire raheem and schiano because even at their best they would not be good enough to lead a team to legitimate, consistent contention. Lovie has shown the same limitation. he cannot play to win, his team cannot adjust, and his defense is fooled by any offensive tactic that came into fashion within the last 5 to 10 years. every time our team faces read option or spread plays, they are like apes seeing fire for the first time – surprised and awestruck, with no idea what to do.
October 28th, 2015 at 11:29 am
Mike Smith won 20 games in his first 32
Rex Ryan won 20 games in his first 32
Lovie Smith will likely win between 4 and 7 games in his first 32
They were both rookie coaches too and Lovie is in year 11. You guys are so out to lunch defending him and using those as examples. They are likely to have won THREE TIMES as many games in 2 years as Lovie. Yes, the Jets and Falcons had “continuity”, but they also had strong results. This isn’t the 90s anymore, in modern 2015 NFL football you shouldn’t be waiting 3 years just to maybe see a .500 team, and 5 years to see a playoff team.
October 28th, 2015 at 11:30 am
The Bucs have played one team with a winning record. They play the AFC South and NFC East, the two worst divisions in the league. Two teams will make the playoffs from those divisions.
Last year the Bucs played the AFC North and NFC North. Five teams made the playoffs from those divisions.
The schedule could not be any easier for the Bucs. The last game is against the Panthers who will be resting their starters. Find the next Bowles or Quinn or it is another losing record next year!
October 28th, 2015 at 11:31 am
You have to break the pattern of hiring/firing every 2 years..@D-Rome.. It will only produce more of the same.. What’s that GnR song?
October 28th, 2015 at 11:37 am
Or the Glazers could get lucky and hire a good coach for a change. Maybe this time they could interview more than one candidate and asks some tough questions
October 28th, 2015 at 11:38 am
Been talking about this for a year and a half now. Pretty boring.. Lovie is not doing a good job. However he will be hear til the end of the year. If he can turn it around and get the bucs to 6-7 wins he’ll probably be back. Short of that he’s playing with fire. Amusing how opinions fluctuate. One win and the tone on Lovie is totally different. Why not just wait and see. Nothing new to say on the hc situation that hasn’t already been said. He’s got 10 more games minimum. What’s more interesting to me is what happens to licht, or do any fans believe the glazers can make a good decision..
October 28th, 2015 at 11:48 am
Ok, just for argument’s sake, let’s say the Bucs fire Lovie sometime between now and the Super Bowl. Who on earth would take this job knowing that he has about 1 season to turn it around? Koetter might be the only qualified candidate, and his resume is fairly light. Who would be Koetter’s defensive coordinator? Maybe only Leslie Frasier would accept. This team is not an attractive destination for any up-and-coming or proven coaches.
October 28th, 2015 at 11:49 am
Brent- I agree. He’s here until the end of the year, no matter what. If the Bucs finish with 2-3 wins he’s gone you can’t just 5 wins in 2 years and come back. No matter what some on here think.
I hate losing so I hope Lovie can get it turned around but it’s not promising, so far. Win another 3 or 4 games and I think he comes back. The offense has looked good against two bad defenses lets see them be consistent and carry this team to some wins before we say Lovie fixed anything on this team
October 28th, 2015 at 11:52 am
Johnny- if Winston continues to play well, the o line develops, you have young talent in Evans and ASJ as well as Sims. A defense with a few all Pros and a possible high pick to build the team.
What good candidate wouldn’t consider the Bucs?
October 28th, 2015 at 11:55 am
I have wanted Bill Cowher every time his name comes up in these new coach conversations. I dont think firing HCs every two years will get us anywhere, but if we could bring in Cowher (a man with a pair of testicles) and commit the 2016 draft to defense, that would be my dream
October 28th, 2015 at 11:59 am
Coaching changes go over better on teams with a good culture
in place, like Atlanta. Arthur Blank sets the culture and the team
follows.
The Bucs are a culture vacuum and that goes right back to the
tone set (or not) at the very top.
October 28th, 2015 at 12:05 pm
Peter King is correct that we can’t keep switching coached every 2 years BUT at what point do you realize this isnt the coach that will make it better? If the offense was struggling I’d be preaching patience but Jameis and the O-Line are the least of our worries.
Our defense is historically bad and has not shown improvement from year 1 and if anything has gotten worse.
I’d rather pull the trigger early on Lovie than waste another year
October 28th, 2015 at 12:06 pm
Lovie love note. When it comes to Lovie’s coaching prowess familiarity breeds contempt.
October 28th, 2015 at 12:10 pm
“Thanks for the laugh. This was quite funny, especially the part about Adrian Peterson, who didn’t play last year, and ignoring the Falcons’ back-to-back 4-12 records, and for thinking the Jets were stacked with no QB, and for discounting Bill O’Brien going 9-7 last year. –Joe”
On the contrary, THANK YOU for the laughs Joe!!
I find it HILARIOUS that you are praising Mike Zimmer’s first season as a head coach where he went 7-9(Which is a LOSING record). HAVE YOU EVEN LOOKED AT THEIR SCHEDULE!?!?
As far as the J E T S Jets Jets Jets are concerned, QB or not, the team is STACKED talent wise. If you don’t see that or choose not to see that then i’m afraid I can’t help you…
I also find it HILARIOUS that you ignore the fact that the falcons suffered major injuries in both those 4-12 seasons!
Oh and don’t mention the fact that the Texans repeated as DIVISION CHAMPIONS 2 years prior to Bill O’Brien taking over. Sounds like a foundation was already in place….
Can you please do a little research before you post in the future??
Thank you……
“It’s as simple as that” – Lovie Smith
October 28th, 2015 at 12:17 pm
We are at the bottom, get rid of Lovie and the losing mentality, there are going to be some POd players that should have been last year but I am thinking that Lovie loses the locker room after Dan Quinn drops another 50 burger on the bucs defense….julio jones will run seam routes and deep crossing routes at the teeth of the bucs and rack up unheard of numbers, lovie will sit in that passive cover 2 and allow it to happen…how is kendall wright doing since he torched the bucs how do you think julio is going to be this week……..last year it was the players need to learn the defense (HOGWASH) there is no excuse, start looking for a new coach now….i think mcdaniels would be a great fit here but I also want to throw out a name Marty Schottenheimer, yes he is 72 but marv levy was up there when he was leading the bills to titles…
October 28th, 2015 at 12:26 pm
One Love, cmon man lets not be on joebucs.com when you have DBs to coach, your guys got torched last week and set a redskins record….so lets get this right coach lovies son….sorry your dad seems like a good guy but he sucks as beintg a head coach and there is nothing wrong with that he is being paid pretty well for that suckage as I am sure you are, but please go watch some film and get ready for sunday instead of reading what is being written on this site…..you will bounce back you are young, maybe jefferson can hire you as the JV db coach next year
October 28th, 2015 at 12:28 pm
Onelovie-Zimmer was a first time ever head coach with a rookie QB who didn’t start the season, was implementing a new defensive system and lost his best player. Yet they still won 7 games. Before Zimmer got their they were among the worst defenses in ppg. Now they are ranked 4th in ppg.
Again I’ll ask the Lovie friends and relatives on here why could Frazier use the same scheme and get these players playing better but loser Lovie cant?
October 28th, 2015 at 12:39 pm
OneLove Says:
October 28th, 2015 at 12:10 pm
I find it HILARIOUS that you are praising Mike Zimmer’s first season as a head coach where he went 7-9(Which is a LOSING record). HAVE YOU EVEN LOOKED AT THEIR SCHEDULE!?!?
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The irony in all of his posts should never be lost. Having Lovie’s nuts in his face 24/7 has blinded him from reality. We need to fire Lovie so OneLove can get his life back instead of swallowing Lovie nuts all day.
October 28th, 2015 at 12:40 pm
@tampa tony. I agree. I’m more concerned about the Glazers hiring a decent coach. If Lovie goes team glazer is 0-3. I’d like to see the bucs do what the jets did. Hire some experts polian, casserly to find us a new coach. Still can’t believe there are human beings that would fire gruden and replace him with defensive backs coach Raheem Morris?? Wow!
October 28th, 2015 at 12:43 pm
L & L said the fans shouldn’t have to be impatient when they took over.
Now Lovie is pleading with us for patience after 22 games.
Under this coach, this team has set numerous records for futility and almost every single decision Lovie has made has ended in near disaster.
Keeping Lovie is not only wasting the fans’ time, but it’s wasting prime years of our supposed “Marquee Players”.
The offense is improving and that has almost nothing to do with Lovie.
His hand-picked defense is going backwards after improving after last year under Frazier.
The evidence is overwhelming, football is a business not a faith.
If the Falcons crush this defense on Sunday as I expect, Lovie has got to go.
Siege this!
Go SucS!
October 28th, 2015 at 1:11 pm
bucrightoff – lmao that’s good stuff
October 28th, 2015 at 1:14 pm
My fear is this happens, and I’m calling for patience btw:
The bucs win 3 more games this year (maybe a pipe dream but I think it happens) on teams taking them for granted and Jameis being Jameis late in a few games and grabbing victory from defeat. So we go 5-11, next year a solid draft but more crazy coaching issues, Jameis grows and we are 7-9.
What happens then? Is that when we make the change? Is that a better time to pull the plug. Is Lovie the guy or not? My gut says not. So the bucs don’t change now, but we have to wait until 4 years of Winston’s precious development until the change is made. The clock on Winston starts now. Hopefully we have him for the next 15 years. I’ve seen enough to believe in him. The body of work Lovie Smith has put on the table to this point, including his Super Bowl game, indicate that he most likely isn’t the solution.
You look at the Patriot, Steeler and Packer model. They all have longstanding partnerships between a great coach and a great QB. Thats why it worked. The question is Lovie to Winston what Bill is to Brady? If the answer is not affirmative, then we need to look elsewhere. How has the continuity helped Luck at this point? Playing it safe as to not possibly mess up Winston is not sound. I realize I am officially 180 degrees from yesterday.
October 28th, 2015 at 1:17 pm
@bucrightoff
So I’m guessing you haven’t looked at their schedule yet.. Let me take my WANG out of your mouth and explain this to you…
W St. Louis – probably the only legitimage win
W Atlanta – Team collapsed and eventually fired Mike Smith
W Tampa Bay – I don’t need to go into this one.
W Washington Redskins – finished 4-12
W Carolina Panthers – everyone knows Carolina had issues last year
W New York Jets – team collapsed and Rex Ryan got the boot.
W Chicago Bears – team collapsed and Tresman got fired.
So I understand it’s HARD to win in the NFL, but only one of those wins are impressive and i’m not even sure if it’s that impressive! Sure, you can look at the numbers and come up with all the theories you want, but it’s like Joseph has pointed out so many times on this site, the numbers can be skewed! The Bucs pass defense isnt 5th best in the league when we have what probably is one of the worse if NOT the worse pass rushes and secondaries in the league!!
So my advise is, maybe take that WANG out of your mouth and do a little research. It will help you not only on this site, but also in life. But having a WANG in your mouth helps as well….
“It’s as simple as that” – Lovie Smith
“Changing coaches about halfway through a rebuilding effort is a recipe for perpetual failure.” – Johnny “America’s Commenter” Dejay
“If Lovie don’t no how to coach so be it… Hard to believe he would get a job offer and you wouldn’t…. Wonder why??? Your idiots that’s why…” – JAB83
“So my advice would be, yes, it’s okay to throw things at your TV when your team has a monumental collapse like the Bucs did on Sunday in Washington. But take a deep breath and understand that it is only going to get worse if you continue to jump from one coach to the next.” – Peter King
October 28th, 2015 at 1:17 pm
“It’s just silly talk to claim things will “get worse” in Tampa — or anywhere — just because there’s a coaching change.” – Joe
I COMPLETELY disagree, Joe.
I mean…just look at the results it brought here in Tampa and you are proven wrong.
Peter King is 1000% right.
October 28th, 2015 at 1:19 pm
Bears only had 3 losing season under Lovie… Bucs have been losing since the Superbowl… 8 losing season in total!! i’ll take 8-8 or 9-7 for right now
October 28th, 2015 at 1:19 pm
Tnew those are great points but those coaches showed improvement where has Lovie shown improvement from special teams to personnel moves and the answer is NO WHERE…he traded a good TE for a kicker we do not have anymore
October 28th, 2015 at 1:21 pm
Clodhopper Says
“Blowing a 24 point lead isn’t about quick fix. It’s about quick quitting!”
In our case it isn’t.
In the case of Sundays game, the Bucs did not quit. Not at all. The Bucs defense ran out of gas. That’s what happens when you have short drives (even if you score) on offense and you defense is composed of a bunch of aged veteran free agents.
That is also why Lovie needs on more draft. To address the defense.
October 28th, 2015 at 1:36 pm
The Bucs had more time of possession than the Redskins did. In fact, here’s the second half breakdown to make Bonzai look like the moron he is
Bucs punt: 2:06
Redskins TD: 1:44
Redskins TD: 4:14
Bucs FG: 8:05 (!!!!)
Redskins FG: 6:43
Bucs FG: 6:06
Redskins TD: 2:00
Bucs TO: 0:19
Redskins Kneel: 0:05
Total TOP, 2nd half: Bucs 15:14, Redskins 14:46
Total TOP, 1st half: Bucs 16:04, Redskins 13:56
So no, the defense did not get gassed Bonzai. Unless you’re saying they’re poorly conditioned? Cause that’s on the coach for them having poor conditioning.
October 28th, 2015 at 1:50 pm
“Tampa was never going to be a quick fix.” So then WTF did Lovie tell us otherwise when he first got here? More importantly, he told the Glazers that so why are they putting up with this mess? Either he defrauded them, or he was totally wrong on his personnel assessments. Either way, he should have been out of here after year one.
October 28th, 2015 at 2:31 pm
Bucs are the worst team in the division, it can’t get much worse. The cupcake schedule teams are over. When Julio Jones gets 200 yards and Ryan passes for 400+ yards. These people will love Lovie even more and ask for a contract extension. Don’t expect any points before halftime, Lovie doesn’t believe in the offense so why should the offense trust in him?
October 28th, 2015 at 2:37 pm
Has this guy watched all 22 Buc games with Lovie as coach? I doubt it or he’d be on the fireLovie bandwagon as well. He has done absolutely nothing to show that he is a competent coach or will be moving forward. His team is awful in all phases except for offense and drafting. 2 things I believe he has very a minimal hand in. #FIRELOVIETODAY
October 28th, 2015 at 4:14 pm
@OneLove, did you look at OUR schedule last year?
*6 games against the worst division in the last 5 years. the only way our divisional slate could have been easier is if the bucs got to play against the bucs. we went 0-6
*an opening slate featuring derek anderson and a rams backup QB so obscure i have forgotten his name. zero wins
*losses to mutiple teams that lost to the vikings, whose 2014 results you are discrediting because of poor competition. and of course the loss to those bad vikings and their rookie HC minus the best RB in football
*did i mention 0-8 in our own building?
and why even look back at last year when 6 games of this season has yielded so much evidence of how even the worst teams have made more progress than we have. one could argue that the only phase of the game where this team has looked competitive is the one our Head Coach has the least involvement with
October 28th, 2015 at 6:07 pm
Bucs Fan Since ’76 Says:
October 28th, 2015 at 1:50 pm
“Tampa was never going to be a quick fix.” So then WTF did Lovie tell us otherwise when he first got here? More importantly, he told the Glazers that so why are they putting up with this mess? Either he defrauded them, or he was totally wrong on his personnel assessments. Either way, he should have been out of here after year one.
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Amen brother. I’ve been a fan since ’76 as well (actually before that if you want to count from the moment the NFL awarded a franchise to Tampa) and I feel exactly the same way you do. We were told by Lovie on his arrival that we “had the tools to compete now.” What a bunch of B.S. Until Koetter arrived we had gone backwards in every phase of the game. He’s improving the “O”, and Lovie should get no credit for that. I say fire Lovie’s sorry “a$$” now. We’ve already wasted too much time with him.
October 29th, 2015 at 3:00 am
Hey all the Morons Attacking Joe on His View and Saying all the “Good” Teams dont change coach’s every 2 years such as Patriots, stealers, New York ya no shit if I Had Bill Belichick or Tom Coughlin or Mike Tomlin I wouldn’t Fire them either, But we have Lovie Smith a Career Loser of Below Mediocrity and Has Won NOTHING!! Look People this is they guy who once said Jay Cutler is the Best QB on the Planet like he was Lebron James or some shit. its time to Bring Chucky Back Home and I say ask Derek Brooks to come in and Be DC he knows how this Tampa 2 is supposed to be Played and the mix will bring that Fire and Energy Back to Our Ship and Lord Have Mercy Gruden and Koetter would unleash Jameis and Launch this Team to New Heights…