“Secretary” And “Groundskeeper” Approved
March 30th, 2015
Lovie Smith talks about universal trust in a possible Jameis Winston selection
So who is against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers drafting Jameis Winston?
Per Lovie Smith, these anti-Winston types are not among the hundreds employed at One Buc Palace.
Lovie was probed repeatedly with Winston questions at the NFL owners meetings in Phoenix last week. Lovie spent more than 90 minutes there before national and local media. You can imagine how many Winston angles were thrown at him.
An insightful one came from Tampa Tribune scribe eye-RAH! Kaufman, who wanted to know whether Lovie is feeling a shred of negativity around him.
eye-RAH! Kaufman: Have you sensed any opposition, Lovie, at all, even slight, in the building, a secretary, the groundskeeper, to the idea of drafting Jameis Winston? Have you sensed any of it?
Lovie Smith: First off, there’s trust in our building that, you know, we won’t compromise our principles or anything like that. I think there’s also trust in the building for us, that we have a philosophy. And just me personally, and with us, that we believe a person can make a mistake and he deserves a second chance. When you’re young, you don’t want to necessarily give young people death sentences for one or a few dumb things that they’ve done when they’re immature. But I think our building, not I think, I know our building trusts the decision that we’re getting ready to make because it affects us all.
Kaufman: And you think the community also will trust you?
Lovie: Yes, I do.
So there you have it. One Buc Palace is all-in, per Lovie, on drafting Winston. However, that doesn’t mean support for Marcus Mariota would weak. Heck, it might be stronger.
Remember, Mariota has those “sponsors” on the inside.
March 30th, 2015 at 9:41 am
Oh Joe…whatever!
“But I think our building, not I think, I know our building trusts the decision that we’re getting ready to make because it affects us all.” = Jameis Winston
March 30th, 2015 at 9:52 am
I’m just here so I don’t get fined.
March 30th, 2015 at 9:59 am
just more smoke so if someone wants jameis…they’ll offer us the farm. we are not drafting Winston….you cant write it down..
March 30th, 2015 at 9:59 am
M.M….. is the best qb in the draft and the best man to be the face of our nfl team. ….Why take a chance of Winston ?..with all the money and ladies that he will have spells TROUBLE !
March 30th, 2015 at 10:00 am
IM not sure this sheds light on either..
March 30th, 2015 at 10:04 am
Joe do you think if Lovie Smith’s daughter accused Winston of rape but there was not enough proof to charge him, that he’d be as forgiving and draft him anyways? Or Glazer’s daughter, or Jason Licht’s daughter? How about you? Would you be banging the drums for him? I’d honestly like to know. Thank You for your thoughts on this.
#DP #HGH #PEDs #MushBrainRetard
March 30th, 2015 at 10:11 am
@BarryBryanJoel
The Glazers, Licht, and Lovie have probably all raised their daughters to not falsify a rape allegation so this wouldn’t be an issue anyways..
March 30th, 2015 at 10:16 am
everyone condemning a 20 year old kid that’s a you problem, cant be begging for greg hardy and dogging Winston you really sound foolish at this point. if it was your friend accused of rape and there was no evidence against him you’d side with your friend 100% of the time especially if you didn’t know the woman. the glazers or anyone working for the bucs probably aren’t worried about their daughters being raped, it’s called parental skills. im sure their daughters aren’t the type to get in the cab drunk with 3 jocks in the first place. get your life right bro, even mike Tyson was given forgiveness
March 30th, 2015 at 10:22 am
One has to assume this regime couldn’t possibly screw this pick up. It has to be Winston.
However, this is the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. 26 out of 39 seasons have been losing seasons. A full 2/3.
March 30th, 2015 at 10:23 am
Winston has sponsors in the building. His name is Derrick Brooks. Maybe you have heard of him.
March 30th, 2015 at 10:27 am
@Barry
Honestly, how many different ways does Joe have to answer you? No journalist in his right mind is going to “bang any drums” based on a claim that led to no charges. Not to mention, you give up your right to an honest dialogue when you end your posts with ridiculous non-sequiturs like #HGH and #PEDs.
March 30th, 2015 at 10:38 am
Wow Wnston will fail in the nfl this will be the worst pick the bucs will ever make
March 30th, 2015 at 10:44 am
All the hater have is the same old tired disproven nonsense.
I believe Ray Jay will erupt with Joy on the 30th when the Bucs make Jameis the top pick.
Another masterful Winston performance scheduled for tomorrow. Only gonna get worse for the haters.
March 30th, 2015 at 10:45 am
How is passing on a guy for the #1 pick a death sentence? All I’m hearing from Lovie are just excuses to protect the intentions of his bosses the Glazers. This pick was decided long ago by the Glazers and everyone around the league knows it. It’s just too bad we have owners that do not let their football people make the decisions.
March 30th, 2015 at 11:09 am
nothing can ever be worse than drafting dexter Jackson in the second round or gaines adams in the first. josh freeman was a wasted pick also that delayed the bucs searching for a true franchise quarterback. two quarterback projected as the best in the draft how could you be worried unless they go with a different position. freeman wasn’t regarded as a first round quarterback, glennon wasn’t regarded as a draft steal, there are no other quarterbacks on the roster, JW and MM are as good as it gets. kinda like luck, RG3 draft not in talent but the ease of drafting quarterbacks at the top of the draft, cowards who are afraid to take chances draft defensive ends or offensive lineman top of the draft when they desperately need a quarterback, think st. Louis wishes they had drafted a quarterback by now, I think they do
March 30th, 2015 at 11:14 am
I hope the Bucs decide on someone soon and sign him to a contract before the draft. Then, and only then, can we stop this inane debate as to whether the Bucs will pick Winston, pick Mariotta, pick someone else, or trade down. The haters will still hate (Winston, Lovie, you name it) and say what a {stupid}{Bad}{place your description here} choice this was, but we won’t have to read comments from people who KNOW what is going to happen (because they really don’t). Ugghh!
March 30th, 2015 at 11:15 am
I have followed all of the back and forth on Winston and Mariota. I don’t understand one thing. What do you base your feelings on that Winston will be a great OB.
For instance his not the most athletic, OK a lot of QBs aren’t. He has made great passes but he had half as many INTs as TDs. He played in a PRO system. But that itself does not always transfer over to the NFL. He won 26 games, but only a few of those games were even against top 25 teams in college. Then you can throw in the attitude, Yelling at your coach on national TV during a playoff game.
I don’t know if Winston or Mariota will make a great QB in the NFL, no one has that crystal ball.
But look at everything and understand in the NFL you have to have a great arm and a lot more.
Last PLEASE take a look at last years “Johnny Football”
March 30th, 2015 at 11:15 am
For the record, L & L have never said anything that is more in favor of drafting Winston than Mariota. It’s just that there are more question marks with Winston, and therefore more questions. Hence, more (politically correct) answers….
I am still thoroughly convinced that cooler heads wil prevail in the end and we will be drafting Mariota.
March 30th, 2015 at 11:16 am
Can we please put Marcus Mariota to rest.
March 30th, 2015 at 11:21 am
There’s a lot of talk about teams moving up for Mariota, but silence when it comes to moving up for Winston. It seems the media and the other teams are convinced Winston is going to Tampa. At this point, all the signs point that way.
March 30th, 2015 at 11:24 am
I vote to roll the dice on Winston. However when I read the title of this blog “Secretary” and “Groundskeeper” approved….I couldn’t help but humorously think what the “Security Guard” would say….j/k…. Jame-is-Wins-a-Ton!
March 30th, 2015 at 11:24 am
After reading this article again I still don’t think anything he said is an endorsement on anyone. Though only one of the two probably has everyone comfortable.
March 30th, 2015 at 11:26 am
BFFL
No excuses is what all you people in denial are about the pick. every single expert knows it’s Winston yet the small few here continue their bs. It’s funny it’s the same few who seem to support our current loser qb with 13 losses glennon. talking about excuses and creative math. that’s all people do to justify glennon. Winston is the pick order your jersey.
Thank god the owners grew a pair and took the decision away from the bum Lovie Smith if your theory is correct. That’s really what you wanted to say. You complain about people making excuses yet all you do is make excuses for glennon and lovie. I am confused.
get used to winston folks and hopefully the owners do the right thing and take all of Lovie’s personnel power away. he has a hard enough time just coaching much less trying to pick players with his horrible evaluation skills.
March 30th, 2015 at 11:26 am
@ Eric
Pro days aren’t that important.
Im interested to learn how he does at the private workout in Koetter’s system. Whomever performms better there is the one I’d like to go with.
March 30th, 2015 at 11:27 am
@Erik….save your money, save your money.
March 30th, 2015 at 11:32 am
What did you expect Lovie to say??? Oh yes, the admin assistant stopped me in the hall and expressed her concerns about JW…. she told me he was a bad dude so we wont be drafting him.
This is all smoke and mirrors…. trying to jack up the #1 pick price….nothing to see here.
March 30th, 2015 at 11:34 am
I continue to see a lot of reading into Lovie’s comments to say what you want to hear. His responses are always vague and loaded with qualifiers.
“…I know our building trusts the decision we are getting ready to make…”
Vey noncommittal, but yet what is heard is:
“Everyone in the building wants Winston”
SMH
March 30th, 2015 at 11:35 am
Atrain: if you’ve REALLY followed the back and forth then you know that most of the reputable people have point blank said that there’s no comparison in the skills of Winston and Mariota.
In fact, the only comparison with Winston’s skill set in the last 10 years is Andrew Luck. That’s it—one other comparable QB to come out in the last 10 years.
The Bucs fans who are still bothering to link Winston and Mariota (ahem ahem, I’m looking at you gator faction) are beginning to look more foolish than usual. The only thing you hang your hat on is a blatant money grab by a girl whom the SA’s office called completely unreliable. Not to mention he was cleared 4 times–once by an unbiased former Supreme Court justice.
I’ll tell you what, I love the Bucs, always have, but some of the fans SUCK.
March 30th, 2015 at 11:42 am
ATrain Says:
March 30th, 2015 at 11:15 am
I have followed all of the back and forth on Winston and Mariota. I don’t understand one thing. What do you base your feelings on that Winston will be a great OB.
For instance his not the most athletic, OK a lot of QBs aren’t. He has made great passes but he had half as many INTs as TDs. He played in a PRO system. But that itself does not always transfer over to the NFL. He won 26 games, but only a few of those games were even against top 25 teams in college. Then you can throw in the attitude, Yelling at your coach on national TV during a playoff game.
I don’t know if Winston or Mariota will make a great QB in the NFL, no one has that crystal ball.
But look at everything and understand in the NFL you have to have a great arm and a lot more.
Last PLEASE take a look at last years “Johnny Football”
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Funny how your assessment of Jameis on the field is totally different from the experts. BTW….Johnny football had just as many questions about his on the field play as his off the field concerns. They questioned whether he was a system QB like mariota is. Johnny football was a drunk. His own daddy said so before the draft. Winston is not Johnny football. Thats just being lazy on your part to suggest such a thing. He is not a party animal. He spent his 21st birthday with family praying which i am sure is not how you celebrated your 21st birthday. The experts do not question Jameis’ on field capabilities and thats why they have him going first. Again you analysis is totally different from 95% of the scouts. But if it makes you feel better about yourself then so be it.
March 30th, 2015 at 11:45 am
Textbook logic in this draft situation would be to make everyone think u want Winston, and then hopefully u can draw someone out who wants him and is willing to offer u something for the chance to pick him. I guarantee this is going to be similar the Darrelle Revis politically-correct bs that we were told right before we got rid of him. #Mariotawillbethe#1draftpick and he definitely deserves it.
March 30th, 2015 at 11:47 am
@Atrain says:
“Please take a look at last year’s Johnny Football”.
What one could learn from “Johnny Football” is that players coming into the NFL with substance abuse issues….are a huge red flag. To my knowledge, Jameis Winston has no such issues.
March 30th, 2015 at 11:48 am
Tiny Tim…yet them have their fun..it’s all they have right now.
Basically all they have right now is. “I just know Mariota is going to be the pick”
Apparently the writing on the wall is too blurry from them to read it.
For those of you Winston – haters if you want to no longer be Buc fans aftre they draft Winston I will gladly buy most of your Buc gear off of you on E Bay.
Just give me the heads up when you’re selling!
March 30th, 2015 at 11:52 am
I challenge anyone to name ONE heisman winning, spread option qb who has become an elite nfl qb for 6+ years, ever(i dont really follow college too closely, but im sure there are none)…winston is a coin toss, but in the modern nfl if ANY qb prospect has even a 35-40% chance to reach that rodgers/manning/brady level, you pounce asap and dont think twice. I believe winston has about those odds, while mariota may have a better chance of becoming a serviceable alex smith/even russel wilson type(with a much worse cast around him)…i dont think he has more than a 10% chance of ever being a top 4-5 qb…godda aim high and not settle for a safer, yet much lower ceiling pick, the way i see it anyways….tell me right now winston has a 40%chance to be out of the league in 5 years, a 35% chance to be elite and a 25% chance to be somewhere in the middle…you take him as your top pick without question
March 30th, 2015 at 11:56 am
Looking forward, if Winston plays exactly the way he did in college his team will get off to a slow start in the first half, throw a few picks, stage a roaring comeback in the second half that falls short until the kicker makes a lengthy field goal with time expiring – assuming the defense doesn’t roll over and give the game away.
March 30th, 2015 at 12:02 pm
@ 87
I can not say the pick will be Winston for sure. Remember, we are talking about the bucs here. We are talking about a franchise that constantly does the most embarrassing and just down right stupid things consistently. For example, starting a center who had never played center in his life which equated to 3 snaps being rolled back to the qb. We had 12 men on the field in a two minute situation and the qb nor the counting coach on the sidelines noticed. You and I and many others know that the pick should be Winston. The unfortunate thing though is we are talking about the bucs here. uuggghhh
March 30th, 2015 at 12:04 pm
@TheRealMalloy
“you cant write it down.”
I think pointing out spelling or grammatical errors is the lowest form of trolling.
Especially here on JBF when folks are typing on the run and many of them on tiny handhelds.
So while I get that we all make typos I can’t help but wonder if in this case that was a “Freudian” slip? 🙂
March 30th, 2015 at 12:12 pm
Mariota is the overall fan favorite to be our #1 draft pick (as evidenced by multiple polls that u could NOT vote multiple times on; it just seemed like u could, but the extra votes didn’t get counted).
To me, it’s SO obvious that Winston has bust written all over him.
March 30th, 2015 at 12:14 pm
@Tortured
I challenge you to name one quarterback who entered the draft with maturity concerns who became an elite quarterback!
See how easy that is?
March 30th, 2015 at 12:27 pm
Mariota’s sponsors on the inside are Dungy and the dude who played at Oregon.
March 30th, 2015 at 12:29 pm
Cam Newton and Peyton Manning.
March 30th, 2015 at 12:30 pm
Erik
Could you elaborate on why you think Winston will “obviously” be a bust or why you beleive someone else would be a better choice at quarterback.
March 30th, 2015 at 12:33 pm
@ 87
Do not forget Dan Marino. he supposedly had cocaine issues. Its so easy turning Charactermatters points up on its head. Too easy
March 30th, 2015 at 12:35 pm
Oh yes and Dan Marino….
March 30th, 2015 at 12:36 pm
Erik the WiseMMan Says:
March 30th, 2015 at 12:12 pm
Mariota is the overall fan favorite to be our #1 draft pick (as evidenced by multiple polls that u could NOT vote multiple times on; it just seemed like u could, but the extra votes didn’t get counted).
To me, it’s SO obvious that Winston has bust written all over him.
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Please enlighten us how you know the polls did not count your votes twice. Because when I voted to validate the polls merits, I saw the count raise by 1 each time I voted back to back to back. Also, the bucs are not basing their decision on the fans of tampa. IF you are not aware, the tampa fan base is a big joke nationally. One of the reason is people like you think Mariota is the better qb.
March 30th, 2015 at 12:37 pm
Tim… the one on Buc Nation certainly allows you to vote multiple times. I did.
March 30th, 2015 at 12:38 pm
chirp chirp chirp…is that crickets I’m hearing?
March 30th, 2015 at 12:38 pm
Payton Manning did not have maturity Issues and Cam Newton has yet to become an elite quarterback. Again Dan Marino did not have maturity issues just a false rumor which circulated before the draft.
March 30th, 2015 at 12:39 pm
Yep there’s nothing wrong with Manning resting his testicles on a trainers forehead…that’s totally mature.
March 30th, 2015 at 12:41 pm
Seems to me posters are conflating several issues re Fameis.
Here is what is being debated.
1.) Are L&L selecting Fameis
2.) Is selecting Fameis right or wrong
3.) Which player do the Fans wish to select.
They are three distinctly different debates and only marginally related.
It’s quite possible that somebody could be correct on who the fans want, or their assessment that MM is a better choice and yet the answer to #1 could still be yes.
March 30th, 2015 at 12:43 pm
she was examining Manning to see why Manning was having pain in one of his feet and was crouched behind him when “entirely unprovoked, Peyton Manning decided to pull down his shorts and sit on Dr. Naughright’s head and face.”
As Naughright described it in a deposition entered into the court record: “It was the gluteus maximus, the rectum, the testicles and the area in between the testicles. And all that was on my face when I pushed him up. … To get leverage, I took my head out to push him up and off.”
March 30th, 2015 at 12:53 pm
I wonder what the odds are on Winston or Mariota coming to the Bucs. From this site, it’s obvious Winston is about a 3 to 1 favorite, while Mariota is likely at about a 15 to 1 longshot. Those favoring Mariota are facing the odds against him being the Bucs pick. Of course I’m just guessing at the odds. I still admire those who choose to differ on a QB choice, but the reality cement has already hardened.
March 30th, 2015 at 12:54 pm
One incident in an entire college career hardly falls in the same category of Winston’s repetitive paternity of immature actions. These cases of immaturity continued even into his last year playing for the Noles. One immature act does not equal maturity issues. We can all overlook one immature act or even a few early incidents followed by signs of growing up. Do you believe Winston has shown signs of growing up?
March 30th, 2015 at 12:56 pm
Pattern ^^ not paternity lol
March 30th, 2015 at 12:56 pm
And that was after Manning got busted for a bbgun incident.
And after her report Manning showed soooo much remorse that he went to the Tennessee student union and screamed out f her in the P…
And of course this all occured after Manning availed himself of the Piggly Wiggly’s policy of letting Vol players walk out without paying….
Give it a rest 87!!! TBBF is right you’re a sore winner.
And IF Fameis does bust or worse still messes up off the field you should be required to leave the state of Florida after all this preaching and false equivalency.
The kid screwed up!!! He got suspended from two different teams in two years! One of those suspensions could have cost his team the conference title.
There is NOTHING you can post that will ever change that.
Many of us are like Lovie. Ok give the kid a fifth of sixth chance….but your constant whining and apologies grow weary and make you look co-dependent.
It’s this constant looking the other way that got Fameis into trouble to begin with. Ardent fans like you make him think he’s about the law and society’s norms.
March 30th, 2015 at 1:08 pm
Sorry, guys. Working…… Anyway, I definitely thought the voting app’s they were using only counted 1 vote per IP address, but I could be wrong…. Either way, I’m pretty sure that the difference (if any) between the number of Mariota supporters who may have voted multiple times (not I) and Winston supporters who did the same would be statistically negligible….. I just feel like Mariota has way more to offer overall than Winston…. Go watch Mariota’s 12-min highlight video on youtube…. He can make EVERY type of throw that can be made. Wide-open receiver, blanket-covered receiver, short pas, deep-down the middle, everything. And his legs make him even more difficult for the defense to deal with. I truly feel that Mariota has more overall talent than Winston.
March 30th, 2015 at 1:16 pm
Since Joe is referencing “Secretary and Groundskeeper approved” – Here’s a very relevant quote from the FSU equipment manager who has been around the game for a long time:
“Jameis is the real deal. I’ve been around him since his High School days and he is a special young man. He smiles and has fun. And his best attribute is his Love and understanding of his teammates. I finished season #25 this year in this business – 17 in the NFL and the last 8 at the division 1 level. I’ve been around Montana, Ray Lewis, Derrick Thomas, Marcus Allen and Derrick Brooks. Without question – he is as good a leader as any of those guys. He will be an exceptional player – and when he says he plans on playing in the Super Bowl next year – he honestly does. I would not put anything past him.”
March 30th, 2015 at 1:22 pm
charactermatters Says:
March 30th, 2015 at 12:38 pm
Again Dan Marino did not have maturity issues just a false rumor which circulated before the draft.
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Oh you mean the like the rumor of Winston point shaving? how about the rumor of him accepting money for autographs?
@ 87 leave this dude alone. He is a winston basher and a joke at the same time. He was the same one yesterday stating how it was okay to speed and go 80 mph in 55mph zone and endanger other lives (mariota), but it showed bad character to put soda in a water cup. Now its okay for Manning to put his balls on a ladies’ forehead because it only happened once. This dude is a joke.
March 30th, 2015 at 1:46 pm
Tiny Tim
why did you stop at the Winston rumors and ignore the Winston facts? I never stated that it was OK to go 80mph in a 55 zone. Read every one of my comments and you will never see a single post where I said that. What I stated was that a thief is more troubling than someone who got a speeding ticket. Never have I said that any immature act was ok. You say that I am a joke? You continue to minimize and ignore Winston’s known issues and try to make major issues out of incidents that are individual incidents that show no pattern of behavior. If any one of the known Winston issues were his only hiccup in a fine college career I would be saying the same things about him. One mistake does not a bad person make. You can minimize his bad behavior all you want bot that does not change the fact that he has repeatedly made at best immature decisions and at worst criminal. To refuse to be honest with yourself about the facts is the true joke.
March 30th, 2015 at 1:53 pm
charactermatters Says:
March 30th, 2015 at 1:46 pm
Tiny Tim
why did you stop at the Winston rumors and ignore the Winston facts?
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Because like you were downplaying the 80 mph in 55 mph zone as not that big a deal. I don’t see soda in a water cup as a big deal. I don’t see playing with bb guns as a big deal. I don’t see him saying FHITP as a big deal when the whole freaking world was doing it. And I defintely don’t see getting the hook up on crab legs a big deal. Now tell me where does the bad character come into play? He was a immature kid simple as that.
March 30th, 2015 at 1:59 pm
I’m with Tim. I see no bad character at all. At all.
March 30th, 2015 at 1:59 pm
Charactermattersays;
You say that I am a joke? You continue to minimize and ignore Winston’s known issues and try to make major issues out of incidents that are individual incidents that show no pattern of behavior.
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This statement right here makes you a joke. I can careless if its a pattern of behavior. You are not allowed to put your balls on a lady forehead without here consent period. You sir are the one minimizing it. Try this, ask the nearest lady to you whats worse. …. putting soda in a water cup or getting her face lit up from an unwanted balls. Then you will see how big of a joke you are.
March 30th, 2015 at 2:06 pm
The kid was investigated by 2 private investigators paid for by the Bucs. They interviewed over 75 different people about Winston’s “character issues” and he check out just fine. THEE END
StPeteBucsFan…here’s the problem with this sore winner thing…
If you think this is bad now, just wait until they draft him and some of these “fans” try to bash him in here. I’m just getting started. I defended Freeman all summer long in 2013 in here. Why? Because he was my teams QB that’s why.
So right now I’m just getting a head start.
March 30th, 2015 at 2:08 pm
Is there still even a debate as to who TB picks?
Like ’87, it’s not even a fun or fair fight anymore.
Hope the anti-Winston guys get on the bus once the pick is officially in, otherwise, good luck with that.
March 30th, 2015 at 2:10 pm
let’s address these issues one at a time. First you say that putting soda in a water cup is no big deal.you’re right when you put it like that it doesn’t sound like a big deal. However this is over simplifying the issue and minimalizes it. This incident went beyond simply getting caught stealing soda. Not only was this the case but he and his buddies were being obnoxious and a nuisance. When called out on his theft he continued to take more soda and not only refused to pay for it, but also refused to leave when asked to do so prompting Burger King to have to call the police to have him and his buddies removed from the establishment. That doesn’t quite sound the same as just putting soda in a water cup now does it?
March 30th, 2015 at 2:20 pm
Second you say you don’t think playing with bb guns is a big deal. Again as you stated it it doesn’t sound like a big deal. Many of us have played with bb guns and accidentally caused unintended damage of some sort. However, once again this incident goes beyond that. While he and his friends were playing outside with bb guns the police again were called and Jameis and his friends were cuffed before being released with the admonition that they should quit. DID Jameis and his friends heed this advice? Not exactly, they simply moved the activities to an apartment complex where they proceeded to damage 13 windows plus other minor damage. (Are we picking up the pattern yet?)
March 30th, 2015 at 2:25 pm
Next you say Standing up and shouting FHRITP is no big deal because the whole world was doing it. This is just blatantly false. While the YouTube videos were making there rounds you could hardly say the whole world was doing it and he was already under scrutiny for the rape accusation. This does however fall only into the immaturity category and not even slightly criminal.
March 30th, 2015 at 2:32 pm
Finally you state that you definitely don’t think the crab leg hookup is a big deal. I’m sorry but just because you have a guy on the inside doesn’t make it less than it is- theft pure and simple. Maybe you think theft is no big deal, but it is still a crime even if you “have the hookup”.
March 30th, 2015 at 2:35 pm
the devil is in the details
March 30th, 2015 at 2:39 pm
the cool scenario would be Mariota & Winston both ending up in the NFC south!!! that way this debate never ends!! lol
March 30th, 2015 at 2:42 pm
charactermatters Says:
March 30th, 2015 at 2:20 pm
Second you say you don’t think playing with bb guns is a big deal. Again as you stated it it doesn’t sound like a big deal. Many of us have played with bb guns and accidentally caused unintended damage of some sort. However, once again this incident goes beyond that. While he and his friends were playing outside with bb guns the police again were called and Jameis and his friends were cuffed before being released with the admonition that they should quit. DID Jameis and his friends heed this advice? Not exactly, they simply moved the activities to an apartment complex where they proceeded to damage 13 windows plus other minor damage. (Are we picking up the pattern yet?)
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Yes, and the pattern is you have no freaking clue what the hell you are talking about. He was cuffed on campus for having BB guns by the “campus police” on a bike trail. The bb gun fight that caused damages took place at his off campus apartment complex. The campus police had no jurisdiction as what he could do at a off campus apartment complex. This just in, having a bb gun is not illegal. FYI….The BB gun took place in 2012 while winston was a true freshman. The incident came to light after he started being investigated for sexual assault. As I and many others have said, the bb gun, soda in a water cup etc would have never come up if it was not for the rape allegations. Why? because they were no big deal.
So again sir you are a joke. I am done dealing with you.
March 30th, 2015 at 2:46 pm
charactermatters Says:
March 30th, 2015 at 2:32 pm
Finally you state that you definitely don’t think the crab leg hookup is a big deal. I’m sorry but just because you have a guy on the inside doesn’t make it less than it is- theft pure and simple. Maybe you think theft is no big deal, but it is still a crime even if you “have the hookup”.
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I will remember that when the bartender at one of my favorite watering holes gives me a free drink or shot. I will tell them no thank you next time because its stealing. I will remember that when I arrive at the club and lucky me for knowing the girl who works the door who allows me to walk in as I give her my customary greeting of a hug and a kiss on her check while she puts the band on my wrist. You sir are a joke.
March 30th, 2015 at 2:48 pm
none of the facts you just listed contradict what I said. Please give me a more compelling argument than you are a joke.
March 30th, 2015 at 3:02 pm
I don’t find it very useful to ridicule you (who I don’t know at all) to try to make a point. I simply present the facts as I know them to support my OPINION. I don’t now nor have I ever claimed to be better than, smarter than, or even better looking than you or Jameis. I don’t have enough facts to make those particular arguments. I cannot say whether my opinion is greater than yours and vice versa. However I can guarantee you that my opinion does not become more valid than yours simply by calling you this that or the other because you have that opinion. Remember your opinion is not fact and neither is mine. I cannot accurately call you (insert whatever derogatory name you prefer here) because your opinion is different than mine. I have not and will not weaken my argument by attacking you personally even if you deserve it.
March 30th, 2015 at 3:10 pm
nobody with a straight face can say his off field stuff is minor. Tampa will regret the day they take him…trade pick or take Marcus
March 30th, 2015 at 3:15 pm
charactermatters Says:
March 30th, 2015 at 2:48 pm
none of the facts you just listed contradict what I said. Please give me a more compelling argument than you are a joke.
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However, once again this incident goes beyond that. While he and his friends were playing outside with bb guns the police again were called and Jameis and his friends were cuffed before being released with the admonition that they should quit. DID Jameis and his friends heed this advice?
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They were not told to quit. They were told they could not have bb guns on the campus. Shooting a bb gun at an apartment complex is not illegal if you are not shooting at an unwanted party. This is where the joke comes in. This has nothing to do with character. Oh yea and tell me what did the lady say when you asked what was worse…..soda in a water cup or having balls dropped on her face?
March 30th, 2015 at 3:16 pm
And the pattern that you failed to pick up is as follows : Jameis has a pattern of doing what he wants even after told NO!
March 30th, 2015 at 3:17 pm
I smell Mr. Patrick even if I plug my nose.
March 30th, 2015 at 3:19 pm
All of our opinions are equal. They all equally matter the same: zero.
All that matters is the opinions of the Glazers, Lovie, Licht, and Koetter. Just about every major publication and prognosticator has their opinion as taking Winston #1.
That’s all that matters. Not worried about the pick or what the anti-Winston crowd has to say.
Tiny Tim, don’t sweat the small stuff. We’re good.
March 30th, 2015 at 3:28 pm
Ask the lady what is worse……….having a bb gun fight amongst friends (college teammates) or having balls dropped on her face unwanted.
March 30th, 2015 at 3:31 pm
Love and Warrick Dunn Says:
“Tiny Tim, don’t sweat the small stuff. We’re good.”
So what you’re saying is Peyton Manning has small balls? 🙂
March 30th, 2015 at 3:33 pm
“I guarantee this is going to be similar the Darrelle Revis politically-correct bs that we were told right before we got rid of him.”
erik is still taking jersey bets!?!
March 30th, 2015 at 3:37 pm
“87LikesFreeJerseys Says:
March 30th, 2015 at 3:31 pm
So what you’re saying is Peyton Manning has small balls? :)”
Only in the playoffs.
March 30th, 2015 at 3:39 pm
“@ 87 leave this dude alone. He is a winston basher and a joke at the same time. He was the same one yesterday stating how it was okay to speed and go 80 mph in 55mph zone and endanger other lives (mariota), but it showed bad character to put soda in a water cup. Now its okay for Manning to put his balls on a ladies’ forehead because it only happened once. This dude is a joke.”
this +1
March 30th, 2015 at 3:42 pm
Again list all incidents side by side and don’t just cherry pick the one you want to compare. I have never stated that what Manning did was ok. Simply that one immature incident does not define someone. I am not defending what Manning did. My children have been known to try to deflect the attention on their bad behavior by pointing out something someone else did. Doesn’t work for them either.
March 30th, 2015 at 3:43 pm
“One mistake does not a bad person make.”
so how many does a bad person make? do you think winston is a bad person? your implication is there. is mariota a good person? how many mistakes constitutes a bad person?
so putting your genitals on a lady without permission is inconsequential? speeding 25 mph over is inconsequential? what about speeding in a school zone?
are you christian?
March 30th, 2015 at 3:49 pm
“I have not and will not weaken my argument by attacking you personally even if you deserve it.”
lol, you are unbelievable. so you do not call names but make a qualifier that it is deserved. you are just a silly man.
March 30th, 2015 at 3:51 pm
charactermatters Says :
“My children have been known to try to deflect the attention on their bad behavior by pointing out something someone else did. Doesn’t work for them either.”
Welp you were the one asking the question to name one QB with character issues coming out of college. I name one….and now it’s called deflecting.
March 30th, 2015 at 3:51 pm
Again Lurker stick to contradicting arguments I have made and stop promoting as mine an argument I never made. I in no way have excused anyone’s bad behavior. Simply put you are throwing out strawman arguments. Don’t try to influencing my opinion by showing me where you believe I am misinformed. Just twist the words of my arguments to make them sound ludicrous so yours don’t seem half bad. I don’t have to put words in your mouth to make my argument seem more intelligent. I simply state the facts as I know them that have lead to my opinion. If my facts are off base show me. I am not an unreasonable man. But attempting to attack me personally will change no one’s opinion.
March 30th, 2015 at 3:57 pm
Marino’s selection status in the 1983 NFL Draft plummeted after his weaker senior season at Pitt, and WIDESPREAD rumors of drug use.
March 30th, 2015 at 3:58 pm
All that matters is, when they pick Jameis, are you going to support him, root against him (and by default, your own team), or find a new team?
March 30th, 2015 at 4:03 pm
@87
As far as I can recall you have made some very reasoned points and have not completely gone off the deep end by inserting words in my mouth and attacking me personally. I am not a Winston hater as I’ve said before. I simply cannot see how it helps anyone come to an intelligent opinion without considering all of the facts good and bad. My opinion has been influenced by my discussions with many here. What I used to consider character issues I now see much more as maturity issues. This has taken me from the no way ever Jameis crowd to I hope if the Bucs select him he grows up quickly. But we cannot continue to pretend that his history means nothing at all.
March 30th, 2015 at 4:04 pm
” This has taken me from the no way ever Jameis crowd to I hope if the Bucs select him he grows up quickly.”
Question answered. Cool.
March 30th, 2015 at 4:19 pm
then say what you mean and don’t imply.
you yourself have said in reply to manning’s incident and mariota’s incident that “One mistake does not a bad person make.”
then you say:
” You can minimize his bad behavior all you want bot that does not change the fact that he has repeatedly made at best immature decisions and at worst criminal.” really criminal? what citations? mariota was cited. and yet you are minimizing those incidents to fit your argument/agenda. 25mph over the speed limit puts others in serious harm as well as himself. it is reckless. not to even mention putting your unwanted genitals on a female’s face. you minimize these actions, which are a greater offense than winston’s transgressions.
also, you state you don’t call names but imply that people need to be called names. say what you mean.
March 30th, 2015 at 4:21 pm
@charactermatters
who do you want the bucs to pick #1?
March 30th, 2015 at 4:22 pm
Other than the immature yelling in the common before the Clemson game, all the other incidents predate the beginning of last season. The penalty levied for the meme incident was fair. The crab legs incident was addressed by the court system and baseball team, though many feel he should have been suspended multiple games while not acknowledging he was by Mike Martin since it happened in baseball season.
The BB gun incident and the great coke thievery predate his becoming a starter before the 2013 season.
Six months now and nothing has been found or reported. Not for lack of investigation though. Not saying he’s perfect, but he’s shown maybe he realizes he needs to grow up a bit. And those thinking he’s getting off for the rape allegation, all he has to do is walk down the street and someone will be yelling or making a comment to him for the rest of his life. I wouldn’t say that’s getting off free. Especially when the accuser has told six different versions of what happened and lied about being drugged, according to drug testing done soon after the alleged incident.
March 30th, 2015 at 4:22 pm
I find it to be more telling of real character when someone disparage & judges someone they never gave a chance to or ever even met. Someone who is too lazy to look into issues deeply and listen to people who knows the person best. It’s these “characterconcerns” guys are are always the ones who do the really sick stuff.
March 30th, 2015 at 4:34 pm
many times those who know what’s best are the quickest to overlook our faults.
March 30th, 2015 at 5:03 pm
To those of you disparaging others for judging someone we don’t know, NEWSFLASH: that’s what we’re all doing. We are all making judgements on each of these players to reach the opinion of who we prefer. Any of us or even all of us could be wrong, but me make the best judgement we can to determine our preference. Even the so called experts get it wrong quite often. The majority of GMs preferred Leaf over Manning. Looking back we can all easily see that they were wrong. Again in hindsight we become much smarter. And who did the great Bill Walsh prefer? NEITHER! His preference was to Draft Brian Griese later in the draft. If these experts were so wrong how can any of us be dogmatic about the unknown- what will they become?
March 30th, 2015 at 5:04 pm
Good point charactermatters in regards to the maturity concerns. I know there are some good franchise qbs who had maturity/character concerns, i don’t know much about the college background/personal lives of most elite qbs, but maybe there have been a few?
The way I look at it, i’d much, much, much rather take the gamble with someone that has elite talent capabilities with a possibility of having character or maturity issues potentially bringing their downfall…then the gamble of someone with outstanding character/maturity and questionable talent.
While i respect your opinion that its important a franchise qb be someone of “high moral character anand maturity who can be a role model” but personally that is absolutely the least important thing for me, as a fan who passively watches my team for fun, hoping that they are successful. I dont care who jameis is, what he does, how much of an @sshole or good guy he is(same goes for the 52 otber players), as long as it doesnt get in the way of their performance 16(hopefully somewhere closer to 20 soon. Heh) days of the year between September and February.
Unfortunately we dont have the luck of the gdamned colts, having a manning or luck sitting there with the 1st pick, so we godda take the game to get the qb w the best potential upside
March 30th, 2015 at 5:58 pm
@Lurker
I never implied, you inferred.
March 30th, 2015 at 6:19 pm
Yeah that’s right @Barry, O.J. Was innocent too don’t ya know Jeeeze. You can say it’s different but it’s the same, money and fame gives you a get out of jail free card sometimes when people like you and me would have been locked up forever. He got off that’s all that matters to the Winston Lovers. Winning now is everything to some folks. I’d rather be patient take the safer of the two and win several or at least have the chance to, because he isn’t suspended or worse. Doesn’t matter what kind of a human he is as long as he can win a game or two. He will be a bust and a media nightmare. Meanwhile, “Mariota” will be an incredible role model & I predict very successful in the NFL for many years.
March 30th, 2015 at 8:43 pm
You Winston lovers jump on one of my points about Johnny Football. Yet fail to read all of my points. Exactly what I expected, you are soo in love with Winston you miss all the rest.
My point exactly with the Johnny football reference.Everyone jumped on his train then kicked him to the curb when he failed. Just like All of you will If Winston fails.
The other facts you just look past.
Throws picks left and right. Can’t run and behind this Online that’s a problem. Argues with Coach in a playoof game. But stay on that train. But don’t jump off when it crashes.